try the flow-be. i think it might be time, griff. griff: here's my message to all americans growing this kind of hair, let your freedom flow-be fly, let it fly. pete: we'll see you tomorrow, guys. >> neil: memorial weekend without the crowds, welcome, everybody, neil cavuto. you're watching cavuto live. myrtle beach, south carolina, we've also got lax in california, and chicago where people are getting ready to enjoy a long weekend but not with the crowds or the numbers you would think. the first time we have seen no estimates provided of how many people will be taking to the nation's roads and highways. we do know that it is a record low number since we've been keeping tabs of that. so we're going to monitor all the fallout from this as states continue to reopen. shortly we'll be talking to ohio's governor there, the big

reopening continues there. it was the first to really clamp down restrictions and it might be the first to come out of all of this a-okay. we're on top of that. we're also on top of how markets did this week. whatever our concerns about the virus accelerating and all of that worldwide, the fact of the matter is the wind at the back has been the improvement and the hopeful improvement in the reopenings so far going without any serious hitches. let's get the latest right now from grady trimble. i guess not a very bees chicago o'hare. >> reporter: it's empty right now. but it was busier this morning than it has been in the last couple months as the early morning flights took off. triple a not providing travel estimates this memorial day weekend in the first time in 20 years but it says to expect a record low number of travelers this memorial day weekend because of the pandemic. meanwhile, tsa says it screened more than 348,000 passengers yesterday at its checkpoints

across the country. that's the most in about two months but it's still down around 88% compared to the same day last year. jetblue's ceo says he believes we've hit a low in terms of the number of fliers getting on planes and now he says he expects to see a rebound. >> we were bumping along the bottom for a while. we've bumped off the bottom. right now, we're seeing about 8 to 9% of what we would expect middle of april when we were on the bottom, it was closer to 3 or 4%. and we're also seeing a little bit of interest for vacation travel and people booking trips for holiday periods later in the year. >> reporter: all of the major airlines doing everything they can to try to convince people that it is safe to fly. that message received this morning, you can see those long lines. airlines are limiting capacity and enhancing their cleaning procedures. jetblue, one of the airlines that's leaving all middle seats empty for the time being.

you'll also expect to see some changes at tsa checkpoints in the coming weeks. you'll have to scan your own ticket instead of giving it to a tsa agent. they've also asked to put your food in clear plastic bags so you don't accidentally set off their x-ray machines and if you do set off the x-ray machines they're going to ask you to go through your bag yourself to remove any banned items instead of the agent having to do that to avoid cross-contamination. because of that, neil, they say please allow yourself extra time, get to the airport a little bit early. it's going to take a little bit longer to get through checkpoints than it normally does. >> neil: i imagine more than just a little bit longer. we'll be exploring that later with chad wolf, the acting secretary of homeland security in just a minute. thank you very much for that update, grady and i'll take your word for it that it was much, much more crowded minutes before that shot. in the meantime, ahead of that, much attention and focus on what the president wants to do to reopen the nation's churches and

places of worship. he says he will have the final call on this. a number of governors are disagreeing with that. mark meredith right now with more from the white house. hey, mark. >> reporter: good morning to you. as you mentioned, it is memorial day weekend. you would never know it in washington, d.c. there are few to no tourists on the national mall. we are seeing several cities across the country begin to reopen. president trump says many of the churches, synagogues and mosques that are around this country are not being allowed to reopen, despite those other plans. that led the president to speak out friday afternoon. >> i call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now. if they don't do it, i will override the governors. in america, we need more prayer, not less. >> reporter: it's important to point out that since the outbreak began there has been no national lockdown. instead, it's been up to each governor to decide what can or cannot reopen. so there's been some confusion

about what authority the president would have to do anything when it comes to churches. however, california's governor says he is close to reopening religious facilities in the goden state. >> -- golden state. >> we look forward to churches reopening in a safe and responsible manner. and we have guidelines that we anticipated completing on monday and we're on track to do just that. >> reporter: will be interesting to watch to see how that plays out over the week end. as for right now, the president has nothing on his public schedule for the memorial day weekend. he is expected to go to baltimore for memorial day for a ceremony honoring american heroes on monday but, neil, the mayor of baltimore has asked the president not to come because of the coronavirus. also want to mention that the president has left the white house, wasn't anything on the schedule. the pool has gone with him. we're not sure exactly where he's going. but it's 73 degrees, a beautiful saturday in d.c. we'll be waiting to see where he ends up this afternoon. neil. >> neil: the city is going to miss the show. but you've got to balance

things. mark, thank you very much. great job as always. so what do you do if you're a governor and get the edict from the president of the united states, open your churches. if you're ohio governor, mike dewine, you never shut them down or restricted their use. he joins us right now. governor, very good to have you again go good to see you, neil. thank you very much. >> neil: could you explain now -- i believe -- i don't want to put -- characterize it incorrectly. you have always seen churches, places of worship as essential businesses that can't be shuttered. i'm sure you have rules in place because they obviously attract large gatherings. what are they in ohio? what would change under the edict, if anything? >> we've always exempted churches, synagogues, places of worship from any of our orders. we've said very clearly that our suggestion is that people be exceedingly careful, not have

big congregations gathering together closely. and many churches, the catholic churches, the diocese for example in ohio, i think all the bishops have canceled services for some time. they're going to be opening up shortly. other churches have come up with amazing ways to do it. they've even used drive-in movie theaters for people to go, come into and have services. they've done them virtually. so they've done it really a great job. a lot of the churches i know now are planning to start opening back up again and they're coming up with good ways of doing that. we just encourage the churches to be just very, very careful. like any other gathering together. try to keep that distance. we've asked -- suggested -- not told, but suggested that people wear masks and they just try to get that extra layer of

protection. >> neil: in the meantime, you're continuing easing up on restrictions, the latest is fall sports training can resume i believe on june 1st. you're also looking at banquets, even those for weddings, if the crowds don't exceed 300. what else am i missing or what else are you doing? >> well, yesterday was the first day that we've had this latter part of this week, the first couple days that we've had the opening of restaurants and bars inside and i just looked at a report a moment ago in regard to the bars and most of them are doing pretty well. last night we had to remind a few kind of what the orders were. but the report was very good. i got a report from a number of bars around the state, three or four hundred, and it was a good report. we just remind people, be careful. the virus is still out there.

we've got to do two things at once. we've got to open up our economy. we're doing that. but we've got to remain safe. >> neil: all right. because i thought of the 300 figure, governor and i come from an italian family. 300 is just -- >> that's small, that's small. neil: you night have issues with that. let me switch gears. go ahead. >> we've exempted weddings and funerals. the real question there was the wedding reception and caterers came to us and said, look, we've got a facility. we can run this like a restaurant and we can have the space. so what we've said is up to 300, you can do. but again, you've got to follow the spacing, you've got to do the same things we're requiring of restaurants to do. neil: a lot of it is very common sense stuff. let me ask you a little bit right now, this comes at a time where a lot of states are being scrutinized, the reopening, and whether it is jiving with

numbers that support the reopening, in other words, unusual spike in cases or the percentage of those testing positive for the virus remains low. cdc recommends this, no higher than 3%. i don't know specifically what they are in ohio. but what would make you slow that down? what would give you pause in this process? >> well, you know, we're watching numbers that are published all the time. for example, traffic. our traffic in ohio was down 50% at one point. we're now down about 10. so you're seeing people really starting to move around a lot. and so that's something that we've got to watch. if they do it correctly and if people continue to do the spacing, that's fine. but we also know that the risk goes up. as far as the specific numbers, one of the numbers we looked at is number of hospital

admissions. that has been pretty flat. we've plateaued that out. it's not going down but it's not going up. that's been steady for about a month. so we'll keep an eye on that. we'll also keep an eye on what i refer to as the replication rate, basically if i have the covid-19, how many people on average does that person infect and at one point in ohio we were one to two and so that's not good. dramatic spread. we're now down to one to one. so we're going to keep our eye on that as we open up the society and we don't want that to creep up very, very high because that will be -- that means that we're going out faster than we were and three or four weeks after that we're going to start to see these numbers spike up. so we're careful. we've done this with what we consider to be the best practices. restaurant people got together, we put restaurant people with health people. they came up with best

practices. did the same thing, people who run bars, people who cut hair. so we've come up with what we think the best practices but ohioans, we need to stay focused. we can do two things at once but we need to be careful. neil: good luck. thanks very much. ohio governor mike dewine, one of the earliest to act on shutting down the state, shutting down what had been going on in the state, long before we had the worry or incidence of cases. we're also going to be looking at all this move on the part of the united states government to advance potential vaccines, remedies, cures outright including a billion dollar commitment to astrazeneca, that company's ceo is next. right now is a time for action. that's why usaa is giving payment relief options

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♪ neil: think about it, more than $1 billion essentially on a hunch, the united states giving that much to astrazeneca in the hopes that $1.2 billion commitment means that it is onto something that could just prove something in fighting coronavirus, covid-19 more to the point. now, the ceo of that company joins us right now, the british, swedish drug maker, pascal soriot with us. very good to have you. you acknowledge it's a big investment, a big bet but it has to work. are you confident when all is said and done, after trials and everything, that what you have will work? >> good morning, neil. we are confident that this vaccine will work and we will not be sure until the clinical

trial is completed. the key is being ready to supply the vaccine to millions of americans that need it as soon as the program is done. that's why we have the manufacturing for the clinical program. at the end of the day it is a big bet but it's relatively small if you look at it relative to the economic damage, the social damage, the medical impact of this terrible pandemic. neil: so i understand that this helps provides the means by which you could get 400 million doses out there presumably by the end of the year, maybe by the end of next year, a billion such doses. are you confident of that, assuming everything goes right in these trials and you do have a promising vaccine. >> yeah, we have a team of people who have been working 24/7 to establish the supply chain, one in the u.s., and one in europe and we're looking at

india and china separately and the u.s. supply chain is based on our own manufacturing network. we have six sites in the u.s., one-third of our global manufacturing footprint is in the u.s. and we are also going to partner with a local company that will help us. we know them very well. and so we have all confidence we'll be able to supply what the u.s. government has asked us to supply by october. neil: do you know -- you're obviously very steeped in all of this, pas pascal. others have hinted when all is said and done we might need more than one vaccine. a number of companies, several rivals, are trying to come up with up, including moderna, sanofi, do you think -- this is promising and the world seems to think what you're coming up with is promising, that we'll need more than just something you come up with. >> the world is a big place

with lots of people living in it. we absolutely need several vaccines. we are not competing with each other. we are competing against this virus. the more vaccines we have, the better it is. and i think it is -- it makes sense to actually bet on different technologies. there are different new technologies, moderna has rna which is different from our approach. so different technologies, we increase the chance of getting a vaccine that will work. if they all work, then we'll have more vaccines, more doses for all the people around the world. neil: how do you handle -- i know you have backing as well from oxford's institute, besides the united states. you just said this is for the world. it's not meant to be country-specific. but does that include china? china's also working with a number of state entities, drug entities, that's racing to get

something to the public. is it your belief that every country, every company on earth, if they come up with something they share it with the world? >> well, that would be my hope and certainly our intent. our goal is to of course supply the 400 million doses the u.s. government has asked us to deliver but our other goal is to provide the vaccine to everybody around the world in a fair and equitable manner which is why we have established supply chains in the u.s., in europe, in india, we are partnering with a local company. we are also looking at china separately. we're very big in china. we're the biggest pharmaceutical company there. so we have lots of presence. and i hope that all the companies will do the same and share, because now is the time to work together and collaborate, not compete with one another. neil: you know, you mentioned your business and operations in china. you're a major player there. as you know, there are a lot of

suspicions, much of the western world, that the chinese weren't sharing much with us or might have actually outright lied or duped the world about the seriousness of this virus. what do you think of that? >> well, you know, this is not something i'm well-equipped to comment on. there are people who are much more educated about this and informed than i would be. my focus is really -- our focus on a company is to deliver this vaccine to the american people and to the people around the world. in that regard, which like to thank the u.s. administration and in particular secretary azar because the speed at which we have moved in the u.s. is totally unprecedented. sometimes people would say governments are slow. i can tell you, this administration has not been slow. it's been incredibly fast. i'm talking to many governments around the world and the u.s. administration, secretary azar, the fda have been incredibly collaborative and very fast. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely.

best of luck on all of this, pascal soriot, the ceo of astrazeneca getting much of the world's attention and more than $1.2 billion of the united states, other countries working in concert with them, they might be in a lead position to come up with a vaccine for covid-19. stick around. we'll get a gauge of what's happening with the nation's airports, the world's airports, next time you fly, you may need more time. they talk about getting to the airport four hours ahead of time, not one, not two, four hours. we'll explain why, after this. "the return of drifting"

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barbecuing. it was so much fun. and the crowds were everywhere, the food was everywhere, that's what i remember. and all of a sudden now it's a very different world, isn't it. it's in short supply. i'm talking about the crowds. i could also be talking about the meat. because depending on where you try to go, if you can find it, you might be paying more, maybe a lot more for it. so that's one thing that is a lot different certainly this year. stu leonard, the ceo of stu leonard, they're a popular grocery, new york, new jersey, connecticut area and they have a big cult following. here's the guy who runs it, stu leonard. stu, always good to see you. hope your memorial weekend is going well. how is business these days, first off? >> it's interesting, neil. because we can compare new york, connecticut, new jersey and each one has different social

gathering restrictions. we've seen our meat sales double over last year right now. it's crazy. everybody seems to be -- the warm weather, they tend to be out and about right now. and what's interesting, connecticut only allows five people to gather. new york allowed only 10 yesterday -- zero yesterday. and new jersey allowed only 10 people to gather yesterday. today, it's going to be a different story. connecticut held at five. new york went from zero to 10. and then new jersey just went from 10 to 25. so it's saturday today. i'm in the paramus store right now. we're waiting to see if this affects sales on certain social gathering items that we have at the store. neil: what about meat? you always hear of the disruptions in the midwest and the number of plants, meat processing plants that will shut

down, that it did disrupt the chain, it did mean that everything was not making it to stores like yours. i think that has improved somewhat but with higher prices. what can you tell us in. >> if -- what with you tell us? >> this year the prices have definitely gone up. this year, the price is $5.99 a pound. that's a large competitive price in the market right now. of the key is having full shelves. you can see over here, here's our tenderloins that we v we don't buy from the smaller -- the big guys like that. we buy from a lot of smaller, more family-owned meat packing plants. so we've been able to get plenty of meat. i'll show you where the action is. this is sort of the fun thing about -- but we're right in the store now on a saturday. we're really conscious. we only let 50% of the people into the store. you can see, our meat shelves right here, saturday morning.

this is where the action is right here with all of the steaks and ground beef and burgers right now are really big. so our shelves are full and that was a commitment my suppliers gave to me. they said stu, we'll take care of you. so we're here, it's full. neil: is there a limit? do you limit it for customers that you can only take so much or what? >> we have no limits at all. one of the things, it's almost like if you're a regular customer as a restaurant, you can probably maybe get a table at 6:00 or 7:00 on a busy night. we've been customers of the meat suppliers for 20, 30 years. our family has. and they have personally told me, stu, don't worry about it. we will supply you with meat. you don't have to put any limits on. so we're working like crazy, i'm not saying it's easy. as soon as you put it out, they buy it. but we have it.

neil. i would recommend -- neil: nice to hear. go ahead. >> i would recommend, try to buy from your local supermarket. because maybe the big chains might have some shortage problems. neil: all right. got it. very good seeing you, stu. be well, be healthy, be safe, your family, your customers. doing a lot of good work there, looking after them. >> you know what else is rocking is tequila. there's a margarita frenzy on right now, margaritas. and we can't put enough tequila or margarita mix on the shelves right now. neil: wow. i always learn something. i didn't know about the tequila thing. thank you, my friend, be well. all right. it's a family show, i have to remind him of that. tequila, that might come in handy the next time you head to the airport. you're going to be waiting.

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neil: welcome back, everybody. i'm neil cavuto, you're watching cavuto live. we're watching a country maybe having a different memorial day. crowds are a lot lower than they've been on the roads,

certainly at airports. you're looking at a live shot at chicago's o'hare. we're told from where we were at the lows a few weeks ago, passenger volumes have gone up, 300,000 traversing their ways through airports in the latest week. and that's up from 90,000 a little more than a few weeks prior. so there is progress there. we should let you know that if you are going to those airports, despite the fact you won't run into lines, you will run into waiting lines, maybe significant waiting times so you might want to leave a little early, maybe about four hours early. chad wolf is the acting homeland security secretary, joins us right now, out of the nation l capital. secretary, always good to have you. i heard the sort of new rule of thumb, i don't know whether you agree with that, sir, that plan to allow time. people might think there aren't that many crowds so i can take my sweet time. you really can't, right, with these new rules and security line checkpoints, it's going to

take a while. but four hours, what do you think? is that true. >> neil, thank you for having me on. we are encouraging passengers to arrive early to the airport. four here's seems a little excessive. you do need to arrive early. we are adjusting staffing, the airlines are adjusting staffing as traffic comes back. as you mentioned, we're going to continue to adjust our staffing. it's going to create waiting time. we hope to ghett get folks throh check lines very quickly. we will have new rules in the checkpoints. we've seen traffic increase over the last two to three weeks from a low of about a month ago. so we're excited about that. we're excited about getting the economy back up and running and commercial aviation is a big part of that. so tsa is doing all that we can but we need to make sure we do that in a safe and secure environment and that's what we're doing at the airports. neil: so secretary, i'm told that the biggest change is that

i have to rifle through my bag and show my stuff, not the agent. is that true? >> well, what we're trying to do is we're trying to minimize that person to person contact. so there's a couple of different things that we're doing. obviously, the tsa agents are wearing facial coverings. we're wearing gloves. we're encouraging passengers to do that as well. airlines are starting to require that once you get to the gate and get on the aircraft. we would like for you to do that during the checkpoint, not only for passenger safety but safety of the tsa officers as well. there's a number of other social distancing and mitigation measures. we're also asking passengers with their boarding pass, they're going to be the ones that handle their boarding pass and put it on the boarding pass reader and not give that to the tsa officer. we're also asking if you have food, pack that in a separate bag. that's usually what alarms as you go through the checkpoint. so that we can look at that, so we don't have to rifle through your bag and get all the information out and dump your bag. we're trying to make this as quickly as possible, as

efficient as possible. we need a little help from the travelers. neil: you know, a couple of developments, secretary. you know far better than i, that in britain they might be taking visitors that come to the country from other parts of the world to sort of wait 14 days. china meanwhile is looking at limiting the number of americans who can go to china. we have already talked about our reticence, chinese coming to this country. where is all of this going? >> right. well, as of right now we have a cdc level three travel warning on any international passengers that come into the u.s. they need a 14 day quarantine. we're continuing to look at those measures as well as some of the travel restrictions that have been mentioned to see how long we need to keep those. it's important to note as the economy continues to open up and america continues to open up that we need to look at the travel restrictions and i would say those travel restrictions

are more important now than they ever have been. we need to be smart about that. i did have the opportunity just to pivot real quick, i was in dallas/fort worth this week talking to american airlines. we talked about how do we keep the traveling public safe, secure, how do we keep airline crew and employees safe and secure and dhs frontline workers safe and secure while at the same time installing that confidence in the aviation system. we want to get folks back to the airport, back on airplanes. that's a big part of the u.s. economy. but we need to do that, again, safely, securely. and at least in the short term that airport environment, that checkpoint environment is going to look a little different and just we're encouraging passenger as you approach the airport, as you get to the airport, think about the social distancing that you've been doing for the past two months and take those practices into the airport as much as you can. neil: can you envision a day, though, where the chinese will be allowed into this country to the degree they were before the virus or is it fair to say

they'll be trickling in at best? >> yeah, i think that's going to be largely dependent on how we go over the next several months, how the virus continues to adapt and change and i think from -- again, from a tsa perspective, we'll continue to look at our medical professionals, the cdc and hhs to help us understand how the virus is reacting. the other issue is what do we do about chinese passengers, chinese students and others coming into the u.s. as well as other foreign nationals from hot spot locations, and so we continue to assess that and continue to look at that. but as i indicated, i think the travel restrictions that we have now, particularly from china and parts of europe need to stay in place as we get the economy back up and running and back open. we need to make sure that we don't have a rebound, we don't have a second blip and so i think those restrictions are very, very important at the moment. neil: we'll watch it very

closely, secretary wolf, thank you very much. chad wolf, the acting homeland security secretary of the united states. be well, be safe, sir. all right. as you probably have heard, we're going to be launching back into the stars, that isn't new. this is the first time we've seen it in 10 years. i want you to meet the last astronaut who was there, an american launch into space. in fact, he was with the one who is going up on this one. after this. (announcer) now more than ever, it's important to lose weight,

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years. the guy that was the last to do that from u.s. soil joins us right now, rex walheim. he was with the guy we are launching into space next week, doug curly on that flight, rex, good to have you. >> great to be here, neil, thanks. neil: this is a big deal, isn't it? it's a lot of pressure on everybody. if it goes as planned and as people hope it will, this could be a game-changer. we've been hitching rides with russians and that could change pretty fast, right? >> yeah, absolutely. it's a new era. the commercialization of space is taking on a new level with this flight because up until now it's been u.s. owned and designed vehicles that send our astronauts into space like the space shuttle. we've been involved in the design of the spacex vehicle with them but it's their vehicle, their design. we're excited to turn this over

to the commercial sector, that allows us to have extra money to concentrate on doing what nasa does best, true exploration, going farther, to the moon and one day to mars. neil: this is an elon musk venture. a lot of people are very impressed what he has done with spacex. it is by and large a private enterprise working with nasa. i spoke to the early apollo astronauts who are telling me not so sure how this will go, it's a sign of of the times in which we live. does that part worry you, that this cooperation that is all very healthy and promising cooperation, sort of limits nasa in this sense. what do you think of that? >> no, i don't think so. it's been a great partnership. you know, it's a combination of the space flight history of nasa with the entrepreneurial spirit of spacex and it's worked out real well. we've been working for over a

decade, first the commercial cargo and now the commercial crew. we've had the time to go through all the tests and all the procedures, all the development to make sure we understand what they're doing to make sure we're comfortable with it. like i said, it's a good partnership. when we have questions, spacex is very open to answering them. when they have questions, we're very open to answering too. it's worked out quite well. i can't wait to see it get started here. neil: so when you look at this and you know a lot depends on promising as spacex and elon musk's work has been, there's a concern that private enterprises do this for money, try to make money. nasa is not about making money. nasa is a consortium of enterprises that work with the government, the old times, boeing, et cetera, that's a bit of an objectiony more ron -- oxymore ron. the private ventures, it is

about the money, the prestige and getting it right. you don't get money if you do it wrong. i get that. does that part give you pause? >> you're right there is a mantra aspect. it's important to tell you the truth. we have to make space flight less expensive. to commercial eyes, we have to -- commercialize, we have to get their cheaper. don't want to do it less safe. the spacex vehicle is more advanced than the space shuttle. that allows us to make it safer. we don't have to have oversight to tell them what to do all the time, we have to have insight to say we agree with this, don't agree with that. you can make that pact where they can be as efficient and safe as possible. you can open up new frontiers by making access to space much cheaper. neil: right. you can reuse the boosters, instead of dropping them into the ocean, and no one sees them again. can you ever see a point where russians hitch rides with us in. >> that could happen. we don't have it signed up right

now. that could be a possibility where we continue to fly sometimes in th their spacecraf. if they get grounded for several months, can you bring the astronauts on the other vehicle. it's helpful to have access to the space station. it really was helpful after the columbia accident because the only way to the space station after columbia accident for about three years was via the russians. they were good partners and took our astronauts for those three years up to the space station and back while we were recovering and getting the space shuttle ready to fly again. neil: there are a lot more countries doing this. we'll watch it very closely. rex, thank you for all your incredible service to the stars and into the stars and for this country i'm sure you'll be watching this very, very closely on wednesday. rex walheim, one of the last astronauts to go when we were the ones launching them. wednesday is the big day. we'll be covering it here.

neil: well, if tattoo parlors are considered essential services, that churches never why were. the president addressed that yesterday, and that governors across the country should reopen them so those that want to pray of any denomination, of any faith can do so and he wants it to happen as soon as this weekend. the pastor of our lady of lord's joins us now. monsignor, very good to have you. >> good to be back with you. before we get into the churches, thank you for being a journalist. i know you take it on the chin sometimes for standing up to powers of all sorts, thank you,

neil. neil: thank you very much. let me get your take on what happened this weekend. the president just can't snap his fingers, obviously, i get that. saying you run an essential service, which you do, by the way. is that going to fill pews. new york governor cuomo is saying no, not yet. what do you think changes this weekend? >> well, first of all, i think it's important to point out that even through the lockdown if you will, most of our churches have been open every day. they just haven't been open for communal services. in our lady of lord's parish, we've been open every day. communal worship is a different game. you get into issues of health. there's been a discussion during the whole thing about the conflict between godly things and science and i don't think they have to be in conflict. science comes from the mind of god and we want god to enlighten us on how to best fight the virus. one of the ways is social distancing and opening of

churches, synagogues and mosques in an intelligent way. often churches, religions are about being life affirming. i've been doing mass online. it hurts to say the lord be with you and have to say it back to myself, and also with me. the important thing is that -- [ laughter ] >> when we do this, we find ourselves in a safe environment for our people. i love my people. i want to pray with them. i want them to be safe. so yes, let's open our churches, mosques, synagogues, but let's do it intelligently with respect to science. you know, there's not a conflict between the things of god and the things of science. they can work together. they have to work together for the safety of our people. neil: so what if the rules are 25%, 15% capacity and some catholics run late getting to mass, not my family, father, but many do. and would you say you can't go in there now? how do you police that? >> we're going to do -- that's where ushers become very important. i think our people are intelligent enough to know

they've got to go by the rules. we're going to do what's necessary to make the place safe. a number of dioceses they've started to space out where people can sit, how to skip a row and i think after what we've been through, after losing almost 100,000 of our people, our people are sensitive to let's do whatever is necessary to prevent the spread of the virus. and yes, in prayer it's a really important thing. i love the great saint who said we must praise as if everything depends on god but work as if everything depends on us. the cooperation of god's goodness and our intelligence can make prayer environments safer. if it takes longer to get up to 225or 5 # of% capacity -- 5 # 5% capacity, we'll take the time. your point about essential services, i was crazed by some of the states saying we have to keep abortion clinics open during the pandemic, but have you to close churches.

neil: get our priorities right. monsignor, thank you very, very much. best of luck this weekend. we'll have more coming up. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance ... like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus

>> let it begin. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto and you're watching cavuto live. we'll show you more about the beaches and other popular tourist destinations that maybe aren't as popular right now given the fairly paltry crowds the island in south carolina. showing you off lake michigan and these big draws that they certainly were and are during normal times, the last few months have not been normal times, have they? we're watching that very, very closely and crowds are generated. they've got spacing rules and distancing rules in place at the

popular locals and that's the way it's going to be for quite a while here and the next year or more. we've got coney island, new york. how is it looking there? >> well, neil, i wouldn't know it was memorial day weekend unless you told me and that's because of this. take a look yourself. this is coney island's boardwalk here just absolutely nobody here. a few folks just walking the boardwalk right now, but there are two factors here. of course the weather is not helping and new york city beaches are technically closed to normal beach activity. you can still walk the boardwalk and walk along the beach, but no swimming allowed. no lifeguards on duty. it's an unpopular decision, but the mayor says it's too risky. >> i'm sure you saw the images from california and florida, people going back to the beaches during the crisis like nothing happened at all and how horribly

dangerous that was. >> beaches around new york city are reopening and that includes the jersey shore, in fact, some new jersey beaches reopened last weekend to large crowds. governor murphy increased gatherings there from 10 to 25 people with social distancing guidelines and includes at public and private beaches. festivals and concerts are still prohibited. now, this comes as new jersey is still second in coronavirus deaths in the entire country. pennsylvania actually led the country in one-day deaths yesterday. breaking 5,000 deaths now. governor tom wolf asking his residents not to travel to the jersey shore over fears that people will bring the virus back to that state. in the meantime, some florida and california, some beaches have reopened and hundreds laying out on the beach. surfing, shopping. this is what memorial day weekend is supposed to look like, but here in coney island the boardwalk is empty, probably going to stay empty for a little

while to come. by the way, neil, in case you're wondering about nathan's famous eating contest, no decision has been made on that. it hasn't been canceled yet, but the folks there are expecting a decision to be announced as soon as this week, neil. neil: they cannot cancel that. i'm telling you, if they do that there's going to be war. >> classic america. neil: come on, right? thank you very much, a great report here. let's go to indiana, republican senator mike braun and all this have, slowly getting america back to work and hopefully back to hot dog eating contests. i don't know if it's a big concern back in indiana, but it is in this neck of the woods. senator, always good to have you. let's talk about how the reopening is going. i know in your beautiful state here you're on phase three right now. how is this process unwinding, as you see it? >> neil, i think it's emblemat

oichlt across the country. we had the hot spot, the metro sized city in indianapolis, it's treated differently and they've got different guidelines there. from what i'm seeing is just the robustness of activity set differently here. we're in a place like most of indiana where this is jasper, indiana in my favorite restaurant, schnitzel, and it's the german heritage and sitting with my parents getting dumplings, and that's what's reflected here. the price of gas has come back. everybody is paying attention to the rules. i went to eat at two other places on friday and saturday, my wife and i did. same thing, they're doing everything because they don't want to put their customers,

their employees in peril. never did like the one size fits all approach. it's going to make the kind of rejuvenation of the economy different. upstate new york was different from new york city. every county within a state is different. every state is different in the country. when we debrief this, that will be, i think, the mistake that we made, but the disease was tricky and you've now got this pediatric inflammatory syndrome. we've got to treat it with respect. i did a couple of floor speeches early, neil, that says the most important part of this saga is how we reopen and we can't measure some of the economic damage that's already been done because we have been so focused on the disease and getting data from it, so-- >> senator, the president has already said and you alluded to it now that the governors will make these calls and he didn't apply the same to opening up places of worship and that it's been called the complaint and

getting an earful. it's not consistent, the governors do not think it's a good idea, aren't going to let it happen. what do you make of that? >> well, i think obviously the president would reflect that kind of entrepreneurial approach to this. i look back at health care briefing we had with fauci and some of the others, steve hahn from the f.d.a. and talked about how the c.d.c. kind of fumbled the testing thing. of course, that's all you hear about. i went to talk to some pharmaceutical ceo's and they said didn't have the genome until four months ago and there's been more flurry and activity. so you've got to have it accurate, got to have it quick. you've got to have it affordable. that's all being done. the c.d.c. lost 40 days because they wanted to do it themselves. so, i think the president reflects the spirit of the country that we know that we've got to do something differently

and it's not being hunkered down forever, so-- >> all right, well, we'll watch it closely, senator brown, thank you very much. enjoy the german food. senator braun in the beautiful state of indiana. and joining us from an equally beautiful state, maryland. senator, good to have you back with us. we were touching, sir, on what -- this approach the president is taking to places of worship. i don't know offhand, sir, what the restrictions are in your state, but the president is indicating that no one should argue, no governor should argue with him on this point, which is the opposite approach he's taking with his slowly reopening going on across the country. where are you on this? >> well, neil, there's been mixed messages coming out of the white house. one time they gave pretty specific guidance from when you should reopen and then of course, they changed that and put it in the hands of the

governors. governor hogan has been cautious in maryland, we're still a hot spot. the baltimore, washington area is the number one hot spot now as -- and the counties, some of the counties have said, look, we need to maintain these restrictions, so, houses of prayer are generally not open in our state because of the current level of the virus. >> so if this is, you know, seen as an edict where the president says they should open up and opening up distancing provisions and the like, who do you think would check that, senator? would it be outside figures, local law enforcement? i don't want to get too in the weeds here because that itself could get to be a thorny issue, right? . well, that's correct, but i found that marylanders have been respecting-- the overwhelming majority of marylanders have been respecting the guidelines.

i think you'll find that's true. my wife and i went out walking today and everyone is respectful of distancing and wearing face masks, et cetera. i think you'll find a high degree of compliance with the guidelines given. people are more cautious than some of the guidelines given. i think they'll take the necessary precautions and yes, we have to live with this virus for a long time and we've got to figure out a way to go on and do our business. neil: i hear what you're saying. and the make the week i have, whole football fields between me and people, they voluntarily keep their distance. let me get your take on this other measure where many of your colleagues want to go after china for this renewed crackdown on hong kong, and using the cover of the virus to do it. what do you think of the response? >> i've joined with senator

rubio in legislation, bipartisan legislation. and hong kong, allows that area to be more democratic and now china backed away from the commitments they made in regards to hong kong to the international community. there needs to be consequences. our law is pretty clear, if china continues down this path, then the special status of hong kong is in jeopardy. so we need to join with the international community and stand up to china and stand up for the people of hong kong who are committed to remaining under china rule as long as they can have their democratic principles adhered to, which right now, china is not doing. neil: while i have you, sir, what did you make of the dust-up over joe biden's remarks, you ain't black-- obviously got a number of african-americans upset as well, including top politicians.

do you think he goofed? do you think he should apologize more than he has? what do you think? >> well, he has apologized and immediately he recognized what he said was just wrong. there's no way he can sugar coat that. we said it's inappropriate, but acknowledged it immediately and that's what you do when you make a mistake. neil: all right. senator, very good seeing you. be healthy, be well. appreciate having you on. >> neil, it's always good to be on your show. stay safe, we are going to get through all of this together. neil: i think you're right. i think we all will. thank you very much, senator ben c cardin. early roads were when a lot of us were sheltered in and spending like crazy, does wall street know it and amazon know it? when you think of j j-crew and

j.c. penney and why is it some are and some are not. what is the read. bill simon after this.

>> for gdp growth. what's going to happen is that we're looking at about a 40% decline in the second quarter and then a pretty strong third and fourth quarter and so, i think at the end of the year, you might be a little below where we were in january, but there's really, i think, the cbl is calling for a really quick comeback. i think that it could well be a little bit that they would even revise now given the data that we're seeing. neil: all right. economic advisor to the white house, kevin hassett. i always feel more relaxed when i see kevin because he's smiling even though he's telling us worrisome news that we're going to be down as much as 40%. to make the point he's a reassuring presence on the economic team and saying that's the worst of it, after that things improve. i don't know if bill simon

agrees with that the former walmart ceo. that seems to be the consensus, the environment we're in is lousy and everyone knows it's lousy and to the degree that the quarter can fly 35 to 40% i was reading in baron's, something to the tune of 50%, who knows, after that it improves. are you in that camp? >> i am. how are you, by the way and happy memorial day weekend to you. neil: very good. >> it is, the key to it is, number one, you have to be open and as we get open, i think we'll start to move forward. this has to be close to the bottom, you know, as we start to get traction i think it will be slowly, but things will start to impro improve. >> you know, it's interesting though, and you could make the convenient sort of view that walmart, everybody who got the $1200 or more checks and everyone rushed to walmart and started spending them. there's got to be more, because

they've seen surge throughout the whole sheltering phenomenon. as has amazon and lowe's, not so much j.c. penney and not so much home depot, not so much macy's. what is it among the select group that's working for those who are not working. >> those who opened and sold essentials like walmart and amazon with their business model did very, very well. you take healthy people and tell them to stay home and send them a check and they shop, which is human nature. and so, that's what happened, i think, the most part. you see some that didn't do well. apparel really hasn't gained traction, regained traction as people stayed home their need for new clothes sort of was diminished and hopefully as things start to open up, people will be going out again and feel the need to go out and buy some apparel and maybe we'll see some traction at the department stores and apparel retailers. >> i'm wondering if it's going

to change our behavior, bill and maybe at walmart. obviously, walmart's online sale across faster and took even share from amazon. and i'm just wondering if it's going to change the makeup of walmart sales, the makeup of even some of these other traditional box retailers, that they do very, very well. but it shifts from an in-person experience to an online experience. >> well, i think the trend was headed in that direction anyway, neil. >> right, right. >> and this accelerated it. whether it sticks-- i think a lot of it will stick, but it will pull back some and the challenge for most retailers, walmart included, that's a less profitable channel and so the transition is going to be tricky for many retailers to figure out how to transition into a little bit more digital platform. and i think you're going to see more digitally enhanced sales looking online and buying online and picking up in store.

that seemed to gain a lot of traction during the lockdown. neil: you know, bill every time we talk there's a new chapter in the china saga. the latest is we'll limit the number of chinese who travels to this country and we get news overnight the chinese are thinking the same for us, the fact that we're cracking down on them cracking down on hong kong. i'm wondering with the trade deal now seems ancient, whether they'll make good on it and whether we'll be interested in making good on any trade deal with that and this will put fraught on our economic relationship maybe lofor a long time. >> china has become obviously our largest trading partner and the dependence or overdependence on goods from china and asia

reached its pinnacle right at the time of the impact of covid. there had been some momentum, in fact we started at walmart in 2012, trying to reshore manufacturing and had success at that. when the president ran on that platform, a bit on that platform and i think this will also accelerate that trend. i don't think that that's, you know, the end of our relationship with china. you know, they have an emerging middle class that can use a lot of their manufacturing capacity and we have to rebuild our manufacturing capacity, and then things that are cheaper and better made in asia should be made in asia and things better made and have national security implications should be made in the u.s. and i think you're going to see that in the next five to 10 years. neil: bill simon, we shall see. former walmart ceo bill simon. good seeing you again. >> see you. neil: be well. we know sometime this weekend, could happen tonight, could happen tomorrow, the number of u.s. covid-19 deaths will

eclipse 100,000. we do know there's also been a sudden spike in cases in arizona and florida, in texas and in wisconsin. what we're told are manageable cases. but then what? after this.

>> all right. sometime this weekend we're going to cross over 100,000 deaths in this country. the president said and many others agreed that it could have been a lot worse. others say maybe had we addressed this earlier it could have been a lot better. we'd be down 30,000 fewer deaths. no way of knowing with this stuff. no quantifiable measures we could use to validate this. what we know is that projections

on total deaths from covid-19 in this country could eventually hit a high around 140, 150,000 probably by july or august, but again no way of telling. dr. christopher murray follows this very, very closely at university of washington, and sciences, the chair there. doctor, when you look at this and the counts and the fatalities worldwide, they're obviously eye popping. is it your sense now that these are ebbing, even with the 1500 to 2000 new cases per day, that the fact is, on the deaths, i should say, of the arc is more favorable? how would you define what you see now? >> yeah, i think that the arc here in the united states is definitely more favorable. i think we're going to see a slow, steady decline, that the reverse trends in the four states that you've mentioned, arizona, florida, texas, wisconsin, are certainly worrying about you in general, i

think we will see a decline through the summer and then the big question mark was is what comes in the fall and of course, every parent is worrying about will schools open and will there be a resurgence and that's the big question, i think. neil: you know, i'm glad you mentioned -- i have a son going off to college in the fall and you get different reads from different colleges where they talk about maybe staggering their schedule. maybe, have kids be off during the typical flu season so they're not vulnerable or susceptible to this. how do you feel about all this? obviously you can't plan on something you don't know. but your thoughts? >> yeah, what we know for sure is that covid is not following the pattern of seasonal flu, because if there was there would be no more deaths in may. usually the flu is gone.

and there's more that applies to covid, general pneumonia or general respiratory disease, a peak in january and from, you know, to july, autumn to january about a two-fold difference. if that follows that pattern, it would come back and be largest in january. neil: is there a metric that you use, doctor-- i like to talk to smart medical person of their own personal opinion, when you slow down and reopen. you mentioned spikes in cases like arizona, florida, texas, wisconsin, i'm not sure that the spikes are significant enough to alter the reopening plans, but they're noteworthy enough to be mentioned. what do you look for that would give you pause if you were advising any one of these governors, go slow? >> you know, i think that the thing that we all want to avoid is the increase going back to like it was in march or early

april and you're shooting up or you have a phenomenon like new york or new jersey, or massachusetts, you know, a huge, big epidemic that overwhelms the hospitals and that's what's in everybody's minds to try to avoid. the real warning sign is if there's sustained increases in the number of deaths and that is starting to pick up speed. and that would be the point where you'd really have to think carefully about what comes next, and of course, there's this balancing act between the economic consequences and protecting people's health that every governor has to think through. >> you know, doctor, a little earlier in the broadcast, i had the ceo of astrazeneca, obviously the british drug maker, 1.2 billion in u.s. funds to get what seems to be a promising vaccine out for the public the end of the year, early part of next year. but in talking to me, he was being very, very cautious in his approach and he said, obviously

it has to work, but he went on to say one vaccine may not be enough. what do you make of that? >> you know, there's 170 or so candidate vaccines already out there. the search-- the speed of the research is being extraordinary. you know, it's historical and ground breaking, so, i think the community-- i'm not a vaccineologist, but the community is expecting many, many candidates to be tested and i think we'll see, you know, come next year, we'll probably see, given the historical patterns, 5 or 10 vaccine candidates come through that will be reasonably effective. when is the question. is it in winter? is it going to be a year from now? and of course, it's the capacity to produce it and who gets it first. all of those interesting questions or challenging questions will emerge, but the good news, there's just an incredible amount of science going at an incredible speed.

neil: you know, i'd like to hear your thoughts as well on the president's use of hydroxychloroquine. he's going to expand that right now, but there's a study at brigham and women's hospital talking about the fact that it can lead to fatalities though rare of the 96 patients studied no real benefits, no substantial changes. is there for covid-19 an inherent risk for a vulnerable population in your eyes take it or reserve it for those with malaria and lupus for which its record is quite good? >> certainly for malaria it has been a historically a very useful drug. in the resistance for malaria there's better drugs in most settings like act's. there's no evidence yet to suggest that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial. theres' some evidence as you suggest that it's harmful so

probably there's no indication to use it at this point in time and there are other candidates out there, as you know. there's a whole, again, incredible scientific effort underway to try to get towards m monochromal antibodies for the first effective come online later in the epidemic. neil: dr. murray, thank you, thank you very much. very good chatting with you, dr. christopher murray. and quoting from the brigham and women's study, the fifth study to dismiss the potential promise in covid-19 in treating-- or as a possible treatment for covid-19, the risks-- in some cases substantial risks,

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i'm sure jim is following up of this closely. he's the hard rock international ceo with a number of stores certainly in the new york state area and elsewhere across the entire world, i should add. but they've got casino openings going on in tampa, sacramento and a host of others. the slow process, jim, i think it's happening, but it's slow. how do you react to that? >> yeah, we opened sacramento and tampa on thursday, and frankly, it is, you know, one step at a time. we're certainly monitoring the level of the disease itself potentially spreading or numbers increasing literally on an hourly or daily basis depending on the geographic area that we're in. neil: so how does it work for you? i know it depends on the state, california versus, let's say, a new york or in this case, in florida, with tampa. but how, the distancing rules,

the capacity rules, hwhat are they? how do you adjust to that. many of these are huge in the place? >> first of all, we took the last two months to really study what options are out there and things like thermal imaging, obviously, looking at a whole different viewpoint on the restaurants, the casino, the tables and the slots. and we're very, very proud to say that frankly, both openings went extremely well. i personally was in tampa, back to 16 hour days and we're back to that fun part of life and the reality is, the guests were very, very receptive, tremendously complementary on the methods that we took. only three days into this, but certainly so far so good, but caution is definitely the word. >> how do you think it's all going to work out? i mean, we're listening to governor cuomo in new york. there could be a significant delay, even allowing for the

update state reopening. for your various facilities, i mean, that just sort of drags this out. but how do you think it's all going to go? >> you know, i think that short-term and frankly, we've seen some tremendous volume specifically in sacramento and tampa being one of the busiest casinos in the world, we expected large volumes there. what i was impressed with, the customers themselves, literally no push back or resistance to wearing the masks and in florida, hillsborough county has little penetration of covid-19 so we were a little nervous that the guests would push back, zero-- i think we had one guest, we had a capacity of 7,000 that come out, and one said that they would not wear a mask, that was tremendous, one guest that

failed the body imaging as far as their thermometer. most importantly, we will adapt as human beings and while it's certainly unique to see the dealers, see plexiglas between the guests, but frankly, our business lines were very strong. so one step at a time, being very cautious, but by far, i think we have a lot of head room here coming forward in the upcoming months. we're not encouraged just because there's a couple good days. i think if we see these trends, two, three, four months from now, then maybe we are going to start to see some levelling off of obviously the financial impact that's been created. neil: yeah. and open up las vegas, that's a game changer there. it's not yet happened. we're watching very, very closely. very good to see you, jim, be safe. >> thanks, neil, appreciate it. neil: in the meantime we're still monitoring governor cuomo

where beaches might be open. unfortunately, a lot of businesses are not, after this.

>> all right. we are monitoring governor cuomo among the things that he's saying, i believe in albany, new york, the cases down, number of lives lost down. i believe the first time under triple digits, i think the first time, 84, like the governor likes to remind people, any death is a tragic death and tragic for the family, but the trend statisticically, especially in hospitalizations, a forward indicator or favorable. whether he agrees with new york city mayor bill deblasio who is opening up beaches, but not allowing people to go in the water, a lot of people in new jersey, where the beaches are

open, and fear a wave of new yorkers trying to hit the water and right now, in the new york metropolitan area they're deal with rain so less of an issue. and coney island and other beach locals in the big apple. anyone's guess. i want the read from new york congressman lee zeldin. there's a disconnect between the democratic governor and the democratic mayor of new york city, they're not always on the same page. and i wonder what you make of the beach policies which is confusing for new yorkers. the beaches are open, but have to move fast, can't lie around and social distance. in new jersey, some can lounge around and some can go in the water. what do you make of that? >> the mayor has been very inconsistent throughout this entire process going back to

some of his own statements in early march, encouraging people to go out and to congregate. fast forward to what we've seen the course of the last several days about the beach issue, here on long island you have a democratic county executive in suffolk county and democratic executive in nassau county, beaches were reopening in long island and the mayor started going off the democratic county executives because they weren't going to allow the new york city residents to use long island peaches. the interesting dynamic was at that time the mayor was saying that new york city residents weren't going to be able to use new york city beaches. why would you be attacking others for not allowing your residents to use their beaches if you don't think it's a good idea for your residents to use your own. that's one the leadership dynamic challenges here because people look to their elected officials, especially those a county executive, a mayor, governor, a president and they look for consistency, unfortunately what we saw in new york city maybe compared to any

other local municipality in the country might be the most amount of inconsistency really since just before this all started, as recent as early march. neil: maybe they resolved the beach thing to your point. i know the governor's outlined plans to open much of upstate, new york, long island, the long island area, the latter part or middle of this coming week. how do you think it's going in new york and how do you think it looks for the new york metropolitan area, more to the point, manhattan and the outer boroughs who still remain fairly locked down? >> you just hit a really important point a couple of minutes ago, how we're seeing the hospitalization rates go down the amount of beds available. icu beds and ventilation rate and infection rate. and not the least of upstate new york hit by this pandemic, but

also down state new york. on long island, possibly 80,000 case nassau county. we're seeing the numbers going down. and the phase one of reopening, the governor announced yesterday long island and the hudson valley would go into phase one. it's a powder keg ready to go off. cabin fever, small business owners crunched the numbers, if they don't open up, they won't reopen. and the visionary ways they could do mitigation if they could open differently, they could do it safely. maybe there's resentment that builds. i'll tell you from my 13-year-old daughters they're ready to go back to school and see their friends and that's not going to happen anytime soon, but it has an impact on the family setting. we have to be concerned about economic health and public health and get people back for their checkups. get in a position to go back to your dentist and see your

ophthalmologist and some of these other routine preventative measures that are frankly fallen by the wayside. neil: i know i should see my dentist, congressman, but, boy, i'll find any excuse to avoid it. we'll see. very good to see you, sir, continued good health. >> thank you, neil. neil: congressman zeldin. we know that the president will no longer be talking hydroxychloroquine. he's not the first president to recommend or do something that might not always follow doctor's orders. in fact, there's a long history of chief executives who did that and much more after this.

>> well, a sigh of relief from many in the medical community when president trump said he finished his last dose of hydroxychloroquine, a regiment that worried some, that you're taking some risks. whatever your thoughts on this, beyond malaria and lupus and other ailments for which hydroxychloroquine has a wonderful record, for vulnerable subset of the population with cardiac or respiratory issues it is a risk. having said that, you're the president of the united states and you want something, can you just get something? it isn't that easy as my next guest can tell you, other presidents have had their way whatsoever things they need medically. jeffrey angle is the presidential historian i'm talking about. good to have you with us. leaving the president aside, there's a long history of

presidents whose medical issues were not so well-publicized. some were very quiet at the time. woodrow wilson comes to mind. >> yeah, woodrow wilson is a great example. good to see you all. he is a person who suffered a stroke surge the 1918 campaign when he was trying to run a campaign to try to elect more congressmen. the fascinating and disturbing thing is he made it back in the white house and everyone knew he had a stroke and he wasn't seen by the nation for three months after that. the only evidence that the white house gave that wilson was still around were some doctored photographs of him sitting up which he couldn't do by himself half the time. a remarkable case where his doctor and his wife essentially made the decisions not only for him, but in some cases for the country as well. neil: you would think that in more modern times that would be tough to do yet, your studies show that john f. kennedy who

had an otherwise vibrant public image, had a whole host of ailments the public never knew about. >> there's a problem for hist y historians don't hear the cases where the doctor says no. we only hear when the doctors say yes. in kennedy's case he was an incredibly sick man during his presidency. a bad back not only from his heroic service, but from his childhood. and he had adkinson's disease and on pain medication, he had routine colitis so he was on medicine for that, and took sleeping pills and anxiety pills during the cuban missile crisis and the man with the amphetamines he was taken, he was a walking pharmacy and famous saying in his notes to

his doctor, famous in retrospect, he said to his doctor, i don't care if it's horse p-- if it works. >> and presidents, if they want something, they get something. fdr during the war and depression he was the focus central to the planet and if he want today hide ailments like his, you know, his polio and inability to walk and he had a lot of helpers there. and including white house doctors, right? >> yeah, and fdr is a really interesting case of the president who receives the medical treatment, which is considered completely normal and standard at the time which we now look back on 75 years later with great shock. i mean, the best example is that roosevelt was a chronic smoker and had chronic sinusitis and we know the standard treatment. day, which is what his doctor recorded in his note, he gave him frequently, a topical swab

with a solution that contained a good deal of cocaine and his doctor used to give him extra strength topical swabs and he had one of these treatments on the evening of december 7th, 1941 after the japanese pearl harbor attack. he was down getting treatment for the doctor for his sinuses for 70 minutes or so and the interesting thing is that we have many accounts of people who visited with the president that evening, who said he seems remarkably upbeat for what just happened, remarkably ennews as particular and energetic considering the terrible thing to happen to the nation. what incredible leadership and model example, and of course seen differently through the lens of history. neil: yeah, no, i hear you. it's fascinating. jeffr jeffr jeffrey engel. in this case, this president of the united states didn't hide the fact that he liked hydroxychloroquine, would take it, was taking it, stopped take

it go, but we all knew about it, whether it was medically wise or not, we all knew about it. that will do it here. fox continues right after this. right now is a time for action. that's why usaa is giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

>> president trump calling for houses of worship to reopen this weekend. deeming them essential and threatening to override governors with the move. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm alicia acuna in denver. leland: great to be with you at home. i'm leland vittert in washington. the c.d.c. has new guidance wore houses of worship, a beautiful summer or i guess spring saturday, hi, mark. >> we'll call it summer, why not? the president