ng with president trump about ways to restart the economy. that will get interesting. >> sandra: it will, indeed. and what a day for the u.s. stock market, surging past 25,000. we'll keep watching all of that. great to be with you for these three hours, ed. >> ed: could be with you, as well pay looking forward to tomorrow. >> sandra: all right. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, wall street rallying after memorial day weekend, amid big hopes for coronavirus vaccine and signs the global economy is slowly starting to emerge from pandemic shutdown. the dow soaring nearly 600 points and trading above 25,000 for the first time since march, and the s&p 500 jumping to near a 3-month high. we are covering much of its post-pandemic losses. president trump tweeting, "stock market up big, 25,000. s&p 500 over 3,000. states should open up asap. the transition to greatness has

started ahead of schedule. there will be ups and downs, but next year will be one of the best ever." this, as the new york stock exchange reopening its doors today for the first time in two months to a quarter of its usual population of traders. those who return must wear masks, avoid taking public transportation, and follow tough social distancing rules. top white house economic advisor, larry kudlow, says he expects more positive economic news throughout the remainder of the year. >> the third quarter could be the fastest growing quarter in u.s. history. the whole second half is going to be very strong, as we reopen the economy and as americans come back to recovery. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. "town hall" editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall.

joining us today, cohost of "fox & friends," brian kilmeade, author of "sam houston in the alamo avengers," now in paperback. he is "outnumbered." brian, that me start with you, it's all the talk this morning across the board, about the economy, the reopening, the places that we are beginning to see those green shoots as the economies dig it out. you can see different parts of the country are in different places. for example, "the wall street journal" this morning points out that 4% of construction workers in florida were laid off while 41% were laid off in new york. those were relatively similar areas, and though it hit new york first, in terms of nursing home deaths we've had five times as many in new york as were in florida. you know, different toll from the virus, different rebuilding. what are your thoughts? >> i don't think it's a coincidence. i know the major cities got hit harder. i understand new jersey and new york are 1 and 2.

i get it. since that time, the numbers have fallen off a cliff. were not down to zero yet, but we are close enough. if you look at the flip side of it, now the flip side politically but of health, not working, not talking to other people, not going to a job, the unemployment goes along with it. the long lines for food in new york that we have not seen in my lifetime, period, i've only seen black-and-white footage from the great depression, of the 1920s. it clearly is time to start picking up the pace, unless it is pure politics. i just don't see any other way. now even phase one is barely a tick. phase one will start on wednesday, phase one is manufacturing in terms of other things, it's not really going to affect the consumer economy. phase two says it will be two weeks after that. next thing you know it will be the middle of summer and nothing

is started up. it's time for the people to speak up. >> melissa: yeah. katie, you can tell that a lot of places -- new york, california, new jersey, illinois -- these are regions that are in real trouble because of, i don't know, perhaps the way they've handled the rebound because of the depths of the hardship, in the case of new york, perhaps. but you see governor cuomo just announced he's going to go to the white house. we've seen many, many, many governors go and sit down and put their heads together with the president. why has it taken him so long to do this, do you think? >> katie: [laughs] well, i'm not sure it's taking him this long to do this. but the president has been clear throughout this process he's willing to help the governors. andrew cuomo, early on in this process, was praising president trump to give the states everything they needed and asked for. i'm curious to watch the recovery rates of red states like florida, for example, and

blue states like new york. and to watch whether the bad economic choices of the past couple of years, even longer than that, maybe, whether that makes it more difficult for places like new york and new jersey to come back. whether people will leave that type of economic environment, which will make it even harder for people in new york to start over if they've already lost their jobs. across the country, the number that is really sticking out to me is the 1.4 million jobs that have been lost in the health care industry, even during a pandemic. i think watching and seeing how the health care industry rebounds, as people go get their elective surgeries, is there more exams going on, whether that will come back. it doesn't mean main street is doing well. if you look at the dow today, and you lost most of your 401(k) in march, you're feeling pretty good about the economic recovery going forward and maybe getting back on your feet financially. there are a lot of factors here, but demand is one that we talked about, melissa.

if people are comfortable going out and spending money, going to restaurants with these new distancing protocols, people will see things slowly coming back. you're seeing that with a lot of the numbers. >> melissa: the stock market, if you look at the companies in there, those are americans. home depot, walmart. they are not companies, there are were people in america work. harris, just to talk a bit more about "the wall street journal," this was part of the article. "truck loads are going again, air travel and hotel bookings are up slightly, mortgage applications are rising, and more people are applying to open new businesses for the first time since the pandemic, forced widespread u.s. businesses to close in march. it appears conditions in some corners of the economy aren't getting worse and might even be improving." your thoughts? >> harris: yes, you know what? i'm looking at this report on u.s. single-family homes, new homes, unexpectedly rose in the month of april.

look, every sector has been down. we don't want to oversell this. but an adjusted annual rate of 623,000 units last month sold. they were projecting as low as 480, which would have been a 22% decrease in new home sales. that makes up a good chunk, 10% of the sector of housing sales in america. there are some bright spots out there, melissa. i know with fox business people are watching, but we are watching all around the country. different places have, as brian was pointing out, different experiences and all of this. i would say this, they are kind of looking at these numbers as an unexpected rise. what if we have more unexpected things that happen that are positive? let's report them, take them in, let's balance them out. but let's not glaze them over and pretend they're not happening. they are part of this greater conversation of what it takes to get america moving again. if we are going to have a second wave, as the president has even

indicated, don't you want to do as much as you can economically, financially, before that situation? meat-packing plants, there are a lot of hot spots that need to be dealt with right now. we don't want to glaze over that. but those bright spots do not need to be ignored. i would say this, this is not the first visit by governor cuomo to the white house with the president. back on april 20th he did that, they had a good meeting according to both of them. we got to see a little bit of that on camera. this is the first time they have talked substantively about new york's economy and reopening? i don't know, because we weren't in the room. i just want to get out there that the conversation has been going. the question is, is governor cuomo listening? >> melissa: it's a good question. leslie, let me ask you, because politico this morning saying the general election scenario the democrats are dreading, that's this rebound right now. we are about to see the best economic data we've seen in the history of this country, says

the topic former economic advisor to president obama. the thought is that, if the economy takes off in october, that could be very bad for democrats. your thoughts? >> leslie: i don't think so, melissa prayed before covid-19, the strength of the presidents platform as campaign and bid for reelection was the economy and the strong economy. quite frankly, the strong economy helps any politician, because democrats can go home too. and say, "hey, i was a part of it." politicians left or right can spin it anyway they want. at the end of the day it's going to be how people perceive that the president and his administration handled covid-19, and that goes beyond the economy. as you mentioned earlier, there are different stories and scenarios in different states. i'm sitting in the largest state in the country. we have pockets of california that have zero covid-19 cases. that's not the case here in los angeles county, where i sit.

also, if you look at just the midterms, and even polling now, if people love the president they are going to champion him and give him credit for the economy. i think he handles covid-19 weld. those that don't like him are opposite. what about those on this fence, that's what it comes down to. >> melissa: we will see. harris, over to you. >> harris: well, there are growing concerns now over more americans breaking from social distancing as the united states is a grappling still with the coronavirus outbreak. beaches from california, your home state, leslie marshall, to florida were packed over this holiday weekend, memorial day weekend. tourists flocking to some hot spots. take a look at missouri's lake of the ozarks. beautiful area there. of course, you can't see the ground, because there are seven people. just a little party. those people are defying

warnings about preventing the spread of covid-19. at the kansas city health director is calling for those people to self-quarantine who were at this gathering. st. louis county officials issued a travel advisory, warning, "this reckless behavior and dangerous countless people and risks setting us back substantially from the progress we have made in slowing the spread of covid-19." end of quote there. brian, we want to open up, do all those things that bring us back in a substantive way, but personal responsibility should be stamped on some people's warheads. >> brian: harris, so true. what happened in the ozarks, when i see what's happening in other places like that, the video you just showed, it ruins it for everyone. it destroys my argument that we are reacting responsibly as a country, when i see that video. i'm saying to myself, "how do i go out and trumpet the responsibility of the american people to stand up for our economy when i see that?" at the same time, i travel long i live he has personally, i can't believe how responsible people were.

i saw people sitting on the beach with masks on, 6 feet away. the ozarks, i guarantee you know one in is self-quarantining. that is pretty much -- if you're going to sit there in a pool right next to somebody, i don't know how enjoyable that is to begin with, but to do that, i'm sure they are not self-quarantine for 14 days. they are not getting the message. the only thing from the beginning of this to now is the irresponsible. at the same time, telling small business people that you cannot open up your restaurant or jim because we don't take you are responsible to do it, but is also wrong. the consumers will decide to go to the gym where the restaurant. that is all our decisions. right now you're not letting us make those decisions. that's an example of a poor decision, but i think mostly the american people got the message. lesson learned, for the most part, except for those examples. >> harris: we have a lot of that video, not just from osage beach in those areas.

but i mean florida, as well. i just want to point out, the ozarks are gorgeous. i don't know if you guys have been down there for a little country music. it's awfully nice. there were a lot of people at that pool party. katie, what do you preach to these people? how do you say, "if you want your jobs, if you want this economy back, if you want those 39 million people out of work not to have to continue to file for government dole, what do you say to them? >> katie: everything you can say to them has been said, harris. whether it's from the federal government, local health officials, the fact is that not everybody is going to do everything they are told. but we should not brush everybody in america with the same kind of irresponsibility as maybe some people who go to this place. i wouldn't go to that pool party even if there wasn't covid-19, because it's just not my scene. there are going to be people who don't listen, and you can't punish the rest of the country for the actions of a few irresponsible people.

the beauty is -- well, not the beauty, but they will have consequences for their actions one way or another. in florida, the beaches have been open for a long time because the cases have been lowered there. people have been overwhelmingly responsible for their behavior. you can't paint the actions of a few people in the ozarks on top of the rest of the country and their behavior. they have heard everything you can tell them, and they are going to do what they want, so that's where they are. >> harris: let's talk about what accountability and punishment should look like, though. because we've seen, melissa, if you go too hard against people, they just stop listening. [laughs] i mean, this is going to be a problem as more and more people mixed together and we go through a warm-ish season. >> melissa: we can't task the police with breaking of these groups. they have other things to do. i don't know -- i know my own personal experience, my family and i went to coney island this weekend, people were very responsible, everyone had a mask

on, everyone was far apart. i saw the same things that brian did when i went everywhere, and there were many police out on the beat. they were handing out masks to anyone who wanted one. everyone had one, but they said, "do you want a fresh one?" it was people out trying to enjoy themselves responsibly, and i think at this point it is time to let americans have that responsibility. business owners, they do have the power to stop people that are too close to each other on the premises. they can show they are responsible by making their patrons behave in a responsible way. >> harris: you think they do? >> melissa: i do. >> harris: because, you know, i look at that video -- i'm sure you've seen it, the grocery store clerk trying to get a guide to stop screaming at her because he didn't want to wear a mask coming into the store. we had a shooting outside of one very large retailer, as well, a guard trying to get people to live by the social distancing and the masks, as well.

i don't know, that's a difficult position to put people in. i will give you last word. >> melissa: i think they can do it. i think these are individual incidents, but for the most part, with my own eyes, i've only seen really good behavior. >> harris: yeah. we are at the pandemic epidemic here on the east coast, and i saw the same thing over the weekend. good behavior. let's pray that it continues across the board. all right, three major g.o.p. organizations are suing california's governor over his vote by mail executive order, calling it a power grab. president trump is also sounding out today. we'll tell you what he said. stay close. ♪ it's best we stay apart for a bit, but that doesn't mean you're in this alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. we're also offering flexible payment options for those who've been financially affected by the crisis. we look forward to returning to something that feels a little closer to life as we knew it,

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sounding off against mail-in ballots this morning, to eating there is "no way vote by mail can be anything but substantially fraudulent." it comes as three major g.o.p. groups, including the republican national committee, are suing california governor gavin newsom after he ordered that mail-in ballots be sent to every registered voter in the state ahead of the general election. newsom says it is to minimize exposure to the coronavirus, and that californians will still be able to use in person voting sites. but rnc chairma chairwoman ronna mcdaniel had this to say. >> it's an absolute brazen power grab. beyond that, it will inject chaos into the election process in california. what he's talking about is sending ballots directly to registered voters. in l.a. county alone, there are 1.5 million more registered voters than there are adults in the state, because california never cleans up their voter rolls, so there will be ballots littering the streets.

>> melissa: brian, what do you think about that? at the compelling statistic, if true, that there are more ballots and registered voters than there are adults. >> brian: melissa, my interview from this morning, it's not that i wear the same outfit every day. just for the record. [laughter] right now is not the time to change the way we vote. if you were concerned about the pandemic, six months from now, i get it. we open it up for two days, and we give people a chance to do this thing called the same thing we do, buying food or getting paneling at home depot. we get online, we have the social distancing, there is plenty of time to do it. they'll put the little marks on the gym floor. there is no reason to change this. the democrats seem way too eager to get into the mail and voting. california is way too important. a lot of people think, "we know how california will vote for the presidency." we have no idea how they will vote for congress. and no idea in many cases why so

many of these house seats and flipped in 18. just a thought, not the time to change things. i don't care if republicans were pushing for a male income or democrats. i think now is not the time to change the way we vote. that should be well thought out, not this way. >> melissa: leslie, it's this notion that if you mail out millions of ballots at the same time that it invites fraud. because everyone knows they are on their way, they're going to the mailbox, they're all coming at the same time. does that invite fraud, or no? >> leslie: and with think so. the military has been using mail-in voting since the civil war. the president himself vote by mail. a lot of people choose to vote by mail, whether they are elderly, with or they have difficulty with transportation, whether the voting place is not close to where they live. they are disabled, the list goes on. 72% according to a reuters... poll of americans, that includes republicans, want to have the

option to me on their ballots, because there are people who are afraid of covid-19. i feel that in the state where i live the governor is trying to do what is best for the people of his state, and the safety of the people of the state. this doesn't take away the right to show up and vote in person if you so choose. this just makes it easier for those in california. brian, you read my mind, because, quite frankly, california is a very blue state. california is most likely, as it has for decades, going to the democratic nominee for president. i know you talk about congressional seats, but you only have a couple. in 2018 we didn't have a lot of mail-in voting, and it still slipped in democrats 'a savior. added to that, the president actually could benefit. a lot of elderly people, and certainly military, vote with mail-in ballots. this will actually perhaps help conservatives and republicans. i don't see this as a political thing. i see this as safety for the voters in this state.

>> melissa: what leslie said made sense, especially when she said that people want to be able to vote by mail, and they can. they already have that right. you can go online and say that you want to mail in your vote. >> katie: i think we are conflating two different issues. there is a big difference between voting absentee and having a legitimate backed up reason by mail. the military, which has a pretty efficient process when it comes to keeping out fraud from people voting in the military, versus the governor of california just sending out millions of ballots, 1.5 million which the rnc chairwoman pointed out don't even really live in the state, and having no verification process, no photo i.d., no verification of signature, and it opens the door for a number of issues. fraud, intimidation of voting, household -- someone for voting for everyone in your household. a slew of issues this brings up.

there's a number of documented cases of fraud. to say it doesn't exist, to conflate the two issues, doesn't really get to the bottom of the matter. >> melissa: okay. joe biden making his first public appearance in months amid the backlash over his comments on black voters. whether his apology will be enough, as the trump campaign looks to capitalize on the controversy. he's a good musical ♪

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>> i never, ever, ever, have taken the african-american community for granted. i shouldn't have been such a wise guy. i shouldn't have been so cavalier. no one should vote for any party based on their race or religion or background. to be when the president's reelection campaign wasted no time launching a million-dollar digital ad blitz highlighting joe biden's controversial comments. the campaign is also airing an ad focusing on biden's support for the 1994 crime bill, claiming it led to mass incarceration and destroyed "millions of black wives." brian, there are some numbers that maybe joe biden didn't look at. a percent of black voters in an exit poll in 2016 said they voted for donald trump. that's more than 1.3 million people. it's more than just that you are cavalier, or having some fun and got too loose. are you thinking about those

voters who might not have voted democratic you might be able to scoop up, or at least talk to? i don't know, it would be a question i would have for mr. biden. >> brian: yeah, i mean, i don't think that's a way to do it. to browbeat somebody and question their ethnicity if you don't vote a certain way. he walked it back, a couple hours later he walked her back and saying he was being too flippant or cavalier. i don't know. it seems typical of joe biden. when questioned repeatedly, he gets very angry. if he doesn't tell you to vote for somebody else, heels that you for something else. he seemed to be getting mad at charlamagne tha god for answering him two or three times the same similar question. he came back and said, "i don't think there should be reason." i think he handled it well. i think joe biden in particular getting almost a pass on this and it wouldn't be the same way the other way around. i say "pass" by people does not

bring it up. it's got to scare his handlers. he's had three or four extemporaneous conversations, and every single time, if it's not a technical error, its operator error. he is the operator. that's really got to worry people, and it makes more pressure on the vice presidential pick than ever before. it makes them go a certain direction, i believe, and i think it's going to happen. that person is going to look more like a presidential candidate than any other pick in the history of this country. >> harris: you know, leslie, what's complicated about joe biden coming it back and trying to apologize is all of the what about is to whataboutism.he is a vice prs the third time. he's never been victorious. so you really don't want missteps when you're just coming out of the basement the first time. right? was not enough to do that? does he need to hit it again? what should he be saying to all black voters? we are all different people.

>> leslie: absolutely. i'm a white woman and i was offended by the comment, and i think it was important that he apologized. what i found interesting, harris, were african-americans calling into my show on friday when this happened, 99.9% were saying either, "listen to the entire interview and taken in context," or, "i don't know like what he said but i'm going to vote for him anyway." and they were calling it for quite outrage. when you look at brian's point, i would agree with you that joe biden is perhaps existing dumb acts like in the next president after him, especially if you only served one term. even though he promises to have an african-american supreme court just as he would place on the bench as president, this pushes him to have not only a minority but specifically an african-american female, as he said, this might benefit the

democratic party. when he was betting, quite frankly, a lot of white vp candidates, he was betting a lot, harris. i was sitting there saying, "how can we say that we are a party of diversity, and that the democratic party -- ">> harris: a lot of people say that. >> leslie: i was always and continue to root for those minority candidates that he's been venting for vp. >> harris: wow. "fake white outrage." that's going be the comeback for most democratic voters who want to push against this? i was outrage, i'm not fake, and i'm very much african-american. okay, we'll move on. china's president going to step up preparedness for armed combat after his foreign minister says relations with the u.s. were on the brink of a new cold war amid the coronavirus outbreak. how did the u.s. respond?

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>> melissa: china's president said his country's planning to step up its military combat preparedness amid global backlash over beijing's coronavirus response. this, after china's foreign minister said sunday that some in the u.s. were pushing the country to "the brink of a new cold war." republican senator john kennedy says that kind of talk should not stop the u.s. from holding china to account. >> i don't want a new cold war with china, but that's up to china. we need to push back on the chinese. number two -- i'm sorry, the chinese communist party. number two, it may mean sanctions. >> melissa: brian, this is a very difficult situation. if anything, everything we've learned in this pandemic, both the way the virus escaped and

was not contained all the way to the ordering of ppe, the fact that we realize how much of our medicine comes from china, everything about this experience has proven to us that the president's guard against the chinese government was correct. what are your thoughts? >> brian: melissa, i know for a fact the president is in deep deliberations about this. he is absolutely torn about this. he knows what china does wrong, he knows what they do wrong, he does what they are doing wrong. the question is, is now the right time to turn up the heat, pull out the manufacturing? we are trying to get this rare earth stuff going on our end, we aren't able to do it. there are certain things they have that we don't have back yet. is this the time to go someplace we can get back from and just take them on economically and try to block them militarily? one thing is for sure, when it comes to allies like australia who have stood up for us and

demanded an investigation, china has started pledging retribution. they say, "you will feel more pain if you side with america. do what india has done and just stay out of this." we have to do everything we can to backward countries with the courage to have our back. if the european union wants to kowtow to china, know your friends are. germany stood up and backed us up with what we said over the weekend, australia, new zealand has been there every step of the way. i think we've got to make sure to tell people, "we have your back, if you have the courage to do that." from iron on down. let's fill in on the trade gaps that china might try to extort from our allies. the question is timing. not whether the conversation will happen, but should now come in a time global pandemic, the time for us to do it. >> melissa: katie, if we don't do it now, as brian says, if you have real practical reasons why we have to be tough on one hand

but also stay at the negotiating table, my concern is we have very short memories. when a crisis passes and the next one crops up, we tend to, as a country, let our guard -- because you can only worry about so many things at once. you let your guard down down the road. china stays very focused. >> people forget the pain of the current situation when they move on. and go back to normal. we are already in a cold war with china. they have spies all over the united states at our universities. there have been ten people arrested at u.s. universities for espionage over the past two months. you have china, as he mentioned, according ppe to hurt the rest of the world. in terms of accountability, china has a big vulnerability in the fact that her middle class is around 500 million people. the middle class has been able to come up in that country and be wealthier than they've ever been, but if that starts to collapse because american companies and european companies

and companies all over the world decide to take their economies out of china, that poses a big domestic problem for xi jinping. we have seen a little bit of movement on this ankle. you have the u.k., who just in february, secretary of state mike pompeo was still telling them, "you cannot have huawei inside the u.k. and still expect to have a relationship in the same way with the united states in terms of intelligence-sharing." well, guess what? now the u.k. is not allowing while way to come in. just this week israel rejected a big firm for technology in that country. you are seeing that happen now. if not now, when? i mean, they've been doing this for 20 years. >> melissa: yeah. unfortunately we have to leave it there. a former cbs news president with a warning about media bias, and what he calls the loathing of president trump by some news organizations. why he says a return to balanced reporting won't happen anytime soon.

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>> harris: a former top network news executive is calling out the media in a "wall street journal" op-ed. he was president of cbs news for several years in the 1980s,

and he wrote this. "news organizations which claim to be neutral have long been creeping left, and they are ther loathing of mr. trump as its ovr the place. objectivity, balance, and fairness, once the gold standard of reporting are not mandatory. in the country they believed to be severely flawed." leslie, come to you on this. time and time again, it's not like it's a seeker that some of the media are left-leaning. what do you make of this? >> leslie: have to say, i like the fact you remember things i say. the lance have been blurred for a long time. do you remember years ago on radio that one day i would report the news as an anchor, and another day i would do a talk show. my boss said, "you have to pick which of those jobs you want to do. you can report the news and give your opinion about it. a general's reports the news, reports the facts, hopefully,

and those like me, a democrat sy opine about the facts. those lines have been blurred. i think it's not only confusing to the public, but it's what becomes normal. i would agree with with the former cbs head is saying there. that is sad. there should be a difference. this is somebody giving their opinion about the news we have out there. i feel very strongly about that. >> harris: it's interesting, coming from the point of view of two people on this panel, melissa, who actually do a talk show right now and the new news on our other shows coming up at 1:00 and "after the bell" at the end of the day. it is a toggle, it is a hybrid that people have been doing for quite some time. opera was a very good journalist, and a very good talk show host. it can be done. >> melissa: i think the

differences we realize and recognize everyone has an opinion. if you don't have an opinion about the country and the politics and the government that you are reporting on, you don't have a pulse or you are not truly engage. >> harris: you're also probably lying. >> melissa: exactly, you are lying. i think the differences that now we are honest about where we are coming from. you say, "on my part, i think government does almost every thing poorly. i'm very much in favor of small government." and after that, "i'm going to report the news for you, you can decide if i'm doing a fair job or not." the problem we run into lately is that a lot of the people on the left, when they spout their opinion, they just believe they are correct. that they are intelligent. that they are informed. they themselves don't recognize it as an opinion. that's one of the big differences. >> harris: we all have a point of view, like a belly button. we don't have to show it at all times everybody.

[laughter] when something hits me, like joe biden's response or his remark, i do have visceral response to that as a black woman raising biracial kids. that doesn't mean i will report the news only from the point of view. all right, i will tuck in my belly button. let's move on. michigan governor gretchen whitmer are now facing accusations of hypocrisy over her family's boat, and coronavirus guidelines she urged others to follow over the holiday weekend. when it comes to my husband's boat, "but when it comes to my husband's boat!" ♪ happen every day. people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathing problems.

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northern michigan. far from their home in the state capital. governor witmer urged to those who don't live in the region not to visit during the memorial day holiday. whitmer's spokesperson not confirming or denying the report, saying they don't address every rumor spread online. katie, uh-oh. >> katie: yeah, uh-oh. first of all, she said you can be in a canoe but not on motorboat. hopefully his boat is not a motorboat. one of the things we covered at the beginning of the show was the ozark pool party. we have politicians telling the rest of us to do something that you are not adhering to yourself, whether it's you are a family member, people lose trust and faith in what you were telling them. they've been doing what they're supposed to for three months, that the rules aren't good enough for them. the trust that is lost is there. another example of this going

on, politicians issuing these ridiculous arbitrary saito martyrs and not following them themselves. >> melissa: leslie, this is always been the case. whether it's politicians saying we need to do away with airplanes and flying themselves back and forth, whether it's privately or as much as possible. especially during this lockdown. one of the most painful things for people has been people telling them, "my job is essential, but yours is not." this kind of strikes the same court, words, "no, you can't travel, you can be on the boat." if it's true, for my family, it makes sense. it should be allowed. >> leslie: i think leaders -- i don't care if your democrat or republican, need to lead by example. they do own a home in that area but they don't live in the area all the time. and you know what, melissa, i'm not giving her a pass on this, but i've got to say it husband doing something not listening to his wife? come on. it wasn't her request, it was

still, it doesn't help the situation. she needs to lead by example, and her family, as well. >> melissa: brian, this just speaks to, i think, the thing our audience hates more than anything else in the world, which is hypocrisy. we hate that. >> brian: this guy's name is mark malory, they said no to him, and then they said, "would it make any difference which was my wife is the governor committed" he's using her position to do something that his wife is telling everyone not to do. governor pritzker in illinois says don't make sense his family to florida to plan their estate and locks it down and tells them what they can't do. the stuff does not resonate well with the american people. i think that is safe to say. >> melissa: that's what it comes down to, that those rules, if you are going to enforce them on other people, especially -- he has been so outspoken on these issues. you've got to abide by them. if her own husband won't listen

to her, i don't know. how about the rest of the state? i'm not sure. anyway, thanks to brian kilmeade and the rest of our virtual couch. thank you for watching us at home. now, here's harris. ♪ >> harris: officials are sounding the alarm as more americans d5 social distancing guidelines. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. massive crowds spotted at some beaches, pools, and boardwalks across the country over the weekend, reigniting concerns as the covid-19 death toll in our nation nears 100,000 people. and, as all states have begun reopening, 24 are seeing an increase in cases. they are considered hot spots to be watched. the states colored in deep red have an increase of more than 10% in the seven day rolling average. meanwhile, big controversy now after michigan governor gretchen whitmer's husband reportedly tried to strong-arm a docking company to

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