people that made a sacrifice on behalf of the country. >> dana: emily, your light shines bright. i notice you have the sunburn, too. thank you for what you did. >> thank you. >> dana: thanks for joining us. bill hemmer, here you go. >> neil: thanks, emily. nice to see you as well, dana. i'm bill hemmer. good afternoon, everyone. we're learning new details at this hour after ric grenell declassified more documents related to the russia matter in one of his final acts as the nation's top spy chief. now it's up to john ratcliffe to make the decision as to whether or not to make those files public. he was just sworn in a few hours ago. the documents include transcripts of former national security adviser michael flynn's called with the former russian

ambassador. john roberts kicks it off. good afternoon. >> it was shortly before 1:00. the president watched as john ratcliffe was sworn in as the new director of national intelligence. one of his last official acts, ric grenell declassified a number of documents, some of which were transcripts that took place during the presidential transition between general michael flynn and the former russian ambassador to the united states, sergei kislyak. these are transcripts that led eventually to flynn having that interview with the fbi at which the fbi said he lied and now we have information that suggests that the fbi was out to get him. so now there's petition by the doj to vacate the guilty plea that michael flynn entered. it's up to john ratcliffe to facilitate the release of those. we don't know if he will do it or not. the last time we saw declassification, which was the

members of the obama administration who asked for the unmasking of general flynn's name. how that happened is ric grenell sent those names to republican senators that facilitated the release to the public. kayleigh mcenanyhas more. >> i haven't spoken with him. this president has released -- not the president but this president has overseen the american people a lot of information they're entitled to see. one of the things the president asked for, the 302s. the summaries of the interview with michael flynn. >> in the absence of the 302s, would you encourage the release of the transcripts? >> i have to ask him that. >> on ratcliffe's swearing in as dni, the president is happy about it. he tried to put forward ratcliffe's name at the mueller hearings. he became a rock star in the

president's eyes after questioning mueller quite stringently. because of questions about embellishing his resume, ratcliffe took his name out. the political climate different now. so ratcliffe got confirmed even know it was a 49-44 vote. marco rubio, the acting chairman of the senate intelligence committee had a full vote of confidence for ratcliffe. listen here. >> ratcliffe will do a great job. this is a very smart person a very serious person and decent person. at the end of the day, the position oversees the 17 individual agencies involved in the intelligence collection in this country. that's a very important role. >> last week, the senate minority leader, chuck schumer said the opposite about john ratcliffe. listen here. >> mr. ratcliffe unfortunately has not demonstrated the qualities nor the independence that we should expect of the next leader of the intelligence

community. >> one thing that there's no question about, grenell was a real trump loyalist. ratcliffe is the same. so the president now has in the position of director of national intelligence, somebody who is on the same page as him politically and idealogically. it's interesting to point out when you look at the 49-44 vote, the very first pick was confirmed in 2005 by a vote of 98-2. shows you just how much things have changed politically in the last few years. >> neil: wow. indeed it has. beautiful day at the white house. thanks, john. john roberts from the white house lawn. breaking news on a 2020 convention. the pandemic continues to dominate the conversation. moments ago, florida's republican governor ron desantis says he would love to have the rnc. heck, i'm a republican, he said. it would be good for us to have the dnc. meanwhile, joe biden made his first public appearance outside

of his home since mid march. his campaign is getting a lot of questions about when biden might get out on the trail. karl rove comes in. former white house chief of staff for george w. bush. come back to the conventions? a moment. what is the strategy inside the biden campaign? they've been in delaware since march 5. the polling suggests he has a lead. is their thinking let's just go and dig in here and ride it out? >> well, i think they've said as long as it's working, let's keep doing it. they recognize at some point just a chatter about him only being seen broadcasting from his rec room would begin to bite. they wanted to start to move before that. so memorial day have him go to the delaware memorial to the fallen and have him start to be seen. the question is are they going to be able to sustain it, keep it up. they probably need to do it. he needs to do it gingerly with

respect to the standards that are at play in any region that he visits. people want to see and hear a little bit more from joe biden as coronavirus stops to take all the oxygen out of the air, if you will, in our political discussions. >> neil: he's been doing some med media. how about a press conference? >> not for a while. i'm going to write about this in my "wall street journal" column. i've been reading a lot of them. if i were inside the biden high command, i'd be very nervous about what i'm seeing in the transcripts. i'm going to write about it thursday. >> neil: i'm reading your mind some out here. on these conventions, be desantis says come to florida. the republicans go to charlotte on the last week of august on the schedule. roy cooper, the democrat. the president cranking up pressure saying let us know what you're going to do. what would you guess the outcome

is? the president says i want a packed house. the dnc seems to be going more virtual. what do you think? >> these conventions are big productions. so in fairness to the democrats and the republicans, the rules need to be set. the governor said you need to tell us by june 1 whether or not we can come and do the kind of thing we want to do. one of the worst things that could happen is if governor cooper make as decision adverse to the republican national convention and does so late, even on the basis of sound science and good reasoning, it looks political. so sooner rather than later is better. florida has said they would take it. georgia issued statements say they would welcome the convention. we're getting a very, very close. may seem like a lot of time from late may until the third week of august, but it's not that long at all when you're putting on a thing in which in the republican

case there are 8,000 delegates and alternates and 20 some odd thousand people jammed in. the democrats have twice as many delegates and alternates as republicans do. so in many ways, it's more complicated for them. but you have to make assignments on hotels, figure out transportations, logistics. not only the normal security in place since 9-11 but also have to have in place the procedures that will allow you to have a healthy convention by screening people, testing people and measuring temperatures and keeping social distance and so forth. >> neil: it's not easy stuff. 30 seconds. the economy. a suggestion that joe biden will go after donald trump on the economy. same time you have obama's former financial adviser saying by the fourth quarter, you could see this economy being a rocket ship. your view of that today as we approach june, sir? >> three possible arguments. the biden campaign is making all

three at this point. trump moved too slowly and created the economy. the worst argument they could make. biden was critical in the early steps. the obama-biden economic record is better than trumps. i don't think that will excite anybody outside the base of the democratic party. the final one, biden knows better than trump what to do. trump has a lead on this question. for biden to win this, he has to make the argument of what he's going to do rather than asserting i would be better. he hasn't shown himself as able to make a concerted argument. that is the only one of the three where he has a chance to do anything on the economy that bites hard. >> neil: cnbc interview gave an indication what he would support with regard to taxes. thanks, carl. nice to see you on a tuesday and a white board as a bonus. >> there you go. >> neil: thank you. the governor now behind one of the country's strictest lock

downs, michigan's gretchen whitmire giving an update. it's her first briefing since memorial day weekend, this past weekend. she did get questions about reports that her husband asked a docking company to get their family boat in the water ahead of the holiday. mike tobin is tracking that from our midwest bureau today. hi, mike. >> hi, bill. a warm holiday weekend. people were anxious to shake off a lock down, regain a little social contact. health officials say it went too far. video surfaced of people in a pool party. texas officials say what they're seeing from the bars, people have disregarded everything they worked for. one health official said they have no doubt that some people had the virus. the video that got people buzzing, the lake of the ozarks in missouri. the county health department says if they have any compassion for others, self-quarantine for 14 days or wait until they get a

negative test for concern. the controversy in michigan is different. the husband of governor gingrich chen whitmire tried to cut in line and get his boat in line ahead of everybody else. whitmire has achieved notarity for some of the strictest lock down rules. this story goes back to a facebook post in which the owner of the dock made the claim about whitmire's husband. the post has been taken down. whitmire says the practice is not discuss the family's calendar or schedules and we won't address every rumor spread online. here in illinois, the stay is on lock down. what we're seeing out of people is they're crossing the border into indiana where they can get to the beaches or going to wisconsin where they can get to the bars. bill? >> thank you, mike. june will be interesting. nice to see you. mike tobin in chicago. john barrasso says we need to open safely and do it soon.

i'll talk with him in a moment. critics say this could do more harm than good. did you see this over the weekend? >> people can guess. i think next week, two weeks, i think a month. i'm out of that business because we all failed that business. >> neil: this was a stunning comment. new york governor andrew cuomo says that experts failed when it came to predicting the virus. we'll talk to one of the doctors making the projections coming up. california announcing a plan to reopen churches as the department of justice issues a warning to another state over its restrictions on church. allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident. cut! is that good? no you were talking about allstate and... i just... when i... accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today. you've been avoiding. like people... and pants.ings

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>> neil: all 50 states in some phase of reopening. some moving faster. the wall street writes this. "the blue state lock down blues". critics say opening too fast will lead to a spike in cases. show you a map from johns hopkins. 24 states have seen more cases since loosening restrictions. with me, john barrasso of wyoming back home in his home start and also a doctor. thanks for coming back here. what is your read on this blue state/red state definition process? how do you see it, senator? >> in wyoming, which is clearly

a red state, people are open and responsible. we had several memorial day services yesterday. very respectful. people were out and doing what you expect them to do. businesses are open. people are engaged again. people are getting back to work. that's what we need to do for the whole country. i've seen this report about illinois and california and new york and new jersey. about a third of the economy of the country by being in lock down, shut down for so long, even though statewide there's lots of places that ought to be open in those states. one size doesn't fit all. regrettably, that's what those states are doing, which will slow down the opportunity for the country to move its head as quickly as we will be doing once we get to this rebound. >> senator, the suggestion is that it's being done with intent. do you believe that? >> well, they do seem to be the states that are asking the most of the federal government. we want to shut down and they

want more money from washington. the people in the west, they're independent, self-reliant people in wyoming, we want to get back to work. it's a concern when you see these blue states that continue to ask for bail-outs. not just what is going on now as a result of coronavirus but due to mismanagement over decades that the american people are not going to stand for that. we need to get back to work as a nation, need to do it smartly and we need to do it safely. we need to do it soon and i'm ready to go and so is wyoming today. >> neil: on that point, are republicans in the senate willing to write it in to language that if you do a phase 4 that none of it can be used for pension funds or bail-out money for previous debts prior to 2020? >> a couple of things. if there's a next fund and likely to be another bill, number 1, let's give the states more flexibility with the $150

billion that they have already been given so that they can use it in ways that work best for them in the state. certainly nothing more for the pent-up demands and pension funds that have been inadequately funded for years. we also, if we do another bill, need to make sure there's liability reform in that so that healthcare workers, small businesses, the mom and pop shops don't have to live in fear if someone can get sued if they get coronavirus in their business. we now that lawyers across the country are advertising saying if you have coronavirus, call this 800-number. we're the coronavirus litigation team. we'll find somebody to sue. that won't help us get this country back open and moving in our economy strong and healthy and growing and vibrant again. >> neil: you read at

foxnews.com, coronavirus collateral damage. this is your piece now. here's why we must open smartly, safely and soon. the conclusion line is this. the point is clear. keeping states shut down will wreck havoc on the health of our society. as a physician, what do you mean by that? the health of our society? >> 600 doctors wrote to president trump about this very issue. we cannot let the cure be worse than the disease. as a result of the shut downs, a lot of essential medical services have not been done. other than coronavirus, hospitals have shut down elective procedures which include cardiac stress tests, cancer exams, mammograms. all of these things. plus a dramatic impact on the mental health of americans. i talked to the president about this last tuesday when we had lunch. he's well-aware of the need to make sure that we get the country open for the general health of the american people. suicide is up.

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>> neil: at the white house at the moment, president trump meeting with secretary mike pompeo. the chinese foreign minister wants to warn about starting a new cold war. want to meet with gordon change. welcome back. the foreign minister said stop trying to change china. what do you take from those remarks? >> they're very provocative comments. since what beijing has been

doing since the middle of february, they've been encroaching on the south china sea and east china sea neighbors and intercepting the sunia i have in the global commons. there's this invasion of india, deep incursions and the building of fortifications in indian territory. china before that took steps to spread the coronavirus beyond its borders, trying to block an investigation into this and its also now trying to rule hong kong directly. if we can't change china, it means we've got to cut our ties to it to decrease our vulnerability to a dangerous middle and the regime. >> neil: okay. on that point, about cutting ties, larry kudlow made this comment in fox business earlier today about the supply lines. watch here. >> we welcome any american companies in hong kong or china mainland, we will do what we can for full expensing and pay the costs of moving if they return their supply chains and their production to the united states.

that's one of our key policy issues. i think china is making a big mistake. >> neil: so that would be a real seed change in international trade. what you can see here is the competition for ideas, the competition of systems within government structure to compete with one another. that is in plain view now. would you not agree? >> certainly is. we've had a number of administrations, both republicans and democratic whose basic goal was to help integrate china into the international system. that's no longer true. you know, larry kudlow's comments are interesting because they repeat what he said three weeks ago, which i thought was an off-the-hand comment of 100% expensing for getting factories off of chinese soil.

this looks like it's turning to real policy, bill. that's a significant shift especially as china is suffering from the factories leaving their soil. >> bill: there's a harvard professor that said if these two nations go down this route, it's going to be a lose-lose matter for both. do you see it that way? >> no, i don't. that's gray allison's comments. he's always raised the spector of war or possible losses to the united states when we try to defend ourselves. yes, of course, as we try to unwind four decades, five decades of bad policies, there will be costs to the united states. but we absolutely need to do that to defend not only our economy, but our society from some really bad provocative chinese behavior, which by the way, we embolden because we didn't push back on what beijing did in the past because of advise from people like graham allison and others.

so we had to change course. >> bill: world health organizations had price for the openness on behalf of the chinese government. so that was interesting. gordon, nice to see you again. we'll see how these all unfold in time. thank you, sir. there's more breaking news this afternoon. a new batch of documents related to the russian matter have been declassified including transcripts of the phone calls with michael flynn and the russian ambassador. and the market. the new york stock exchange has traders on the floor for the first time in two months.

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advisers saying this is a sign for what is ahead. >> a lot of evidence of the early signs of recovery. we're seeing it almost across the board. third quarter is frankly going to be huge growth quarter. we agree with the congressional budget office and the fourth quarter, the whole second half, you'll see a tremendous rebound and spill over to 2020. he can rebuild it a second time after the toll of this pandemic runs its course. >> bill: looking at stocks right now. you're doing well if you hung in the market throughout this entire pandemic. not quite business as usual on wall street. operating at 25% capacity. traders sign a waiver before allowed inside. another alert happening on a top story. former acting director of national intelligence ric grenell declassifying

transcripts of michael flynn's calls with the russian ambassador. now it's up to michael ratcliffe whether or not to make them public. want to bring in sol wisenberg a fox news contributor. welcome back here. good afternoon to you. a lot of these conversations late 2016 during the transition period. are we see them? if so, what do you think they'll show us? >> i think you'll see them, particularly the december 29th conversation between general michael flynn and ambassador kislyak. i think people both sides will try to spin it, but fair-minded people will say there's no way that these conversations were illegal and improper. he's the national security adviser for the new administration. i've heard there's other documents that will shed light on how -- allegedly on how the

intelligence information was manipulated to begin the crossfire hurricane investigation. very interested in those. i have no idea what they're talking about. fun things to come. >> bill: yeah, at the same time, judge sullivan now asking for a lawyer to come in and argue the case by doj should throw the case out about michael flynn. these stories are runningwhat i? >> first of all, your viewers need to know, this order from the d.c. circuit, very, very unusual. remember, there's a petition for writ in front of the d.c. circuit. it's extraordinary remedy. it's almost never granted. so this is filed by michael flynn's lawyer a couple weeks ago. the d.c. circuit, the panel, issues an order personally to the judge and says, you have ten days to respond on the following

issue, which is the focker opinion, which i talked about, which says to a judge, when the government files a motion to dismiss a prosecution, your function is ministerial and you have to dismiss. they're saying, judge, what are you doing? you better explain what you're doing. i interpret it as a flashing neon sign as a friend of mine has said as a wake-up call. explain what you're about. the moves he's made have been very, very unusual. >> bill: okay. what is judge sullivan's end game here? does he bring the lawyers in? does he bring in michael flynn in? could he do that? >> what you would normally expect to have happen in this situation is certainly he's the judge. they have to have leave of court. he would hold some kind of a hearing. he could make some comments. if he didn't like it, he could issue an opinion. what under the law he can't do,

i believe, is to drag the process out for months, which it looked like he was about to do. he appointed an amicas, which was unusual. so there's no question that what he seemed to be doing is delaying in process and the court seems to be saying, the higher court, the d.c. court of appeals saying, you're going against clear law here. what are you doing? you have to remember, judge sullivan is very popular among the bar in d.c. for some good reasons. he overturned the conviction in the ted stephens case. he helped expose the prosecutor yeah misconduct in this case. he became a celebrity in legal circles for good reason. for basically forcing the government to start providing mitigating information. so he's used to that celebrity

status. when he appointed this judge as an amicas and delayed this process, he was praised in the press. the only problem is the law doesn't let him do it. so one of my friends said, he's a celebrity but a celebrity in trouble. he needs a very good lawyer like beth wilkinson to help explain what the heck he's doing to the court of appeals. >> bill: maybe by mid june an answer on that. the department of justice today is putting pressure on nevada to open up more churches. you think they can be successful on that? we've soon a loosening and a challenge, a loosening and challenge in different states across different faiths, sol. >> the department of justice doesn't like to lose on civil rights cases. nevada got a letter from my friend, eric dryband who is the head of office of civil rights and department of justice. if these not treating religious

institutions the same as other institutions as part of the reopening, they could face some problems. it won't be an order from the president. it would be a lawsuit from the department of justice. >> bill: okay. thank you, sol. we'll track that as well. sol wisenberg, nice to see you. thanks for your time. >> nice to be here. >> bill: another alert from michigan now. the democratic governor, gretchen whitmire responding to questions about her husband asked the docking company get their boat in the water ahead of the holiday. here's how that came out. >> my husband made a fail attempt at humor when checking in at the small business that helps with our boat up north. knowing it won't make a difference, he jokingly asked if being married to him might move him up in the cue. obviously with the motorized boating prohibition in our early days of covid-19, he thought it

would get a laugh. it didn't. i wasn't laughing either when it was relayed to me. >> bill: a bit of a tug a war in the state of michigan. the latest reaction. another company moving forward in the search for a vaccine for covid-19. what is the status of that today? and governor andrew cuomo said everybody got it wrong with projections. we'll talk about that next. with va mortgage rates suddenly

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they hop to report results by july and begin phase 2. jonathan serrie reports live outside cdc headquarters in atlanta on this and more. jonathan? >> hi there, bill. vaccine development is moving extremely quickly during this pandemic. this particular vaccine that produced neutralizing anti-bodies to the coronavirus in animals. now researchers want to see if it will do the same in humans in a safe and effective way. 131 healthy adults in australia under the age of 60 are getting a five micro gram does or a 25 micro gram does or no dose at all to compare who protection if any they get against the coronavirus. novavax expects to wrap up clinical trials in july and want to reduce the wait time from

bringing a research in the lab to your local clinic. >> so we're making vaccines in anticipation that we can show it's working and start deploying it towards the end of the year. >> trials are also underway for a vaccine developed by researchers at the university of oxford said that they could have initial doses available as october. they're among a dozen potential vaccines each using different technologies in hopes of increasing the odds that one or potentially more will prove successful. meantime, health experts are saying as we go into the fall, it will be crucial that more people start getting flu vaccinations to ease the burden on hospitals and physicians in case a resurgence of covid-19 cases occur at the same time as seasonal flu when we move to the cold months, bill.

>> bill: nice to see you, jonathan serrie in atlanta. >> you too. >> the early national experts, here's my projection model. they were all wrong. all wrong. now, a lot of variables. i understand that. we didn't know what the social distancing would amount to. i get it. but we were all wrong. >> bill: that was on memorial day. new york governor andrew cuomo said everybody came when it came to early covid-19 projections. he doesn't want to guess but we'll follow the numbers as to what decision he makes next next. dr. rashish, thanks for being here. dr. cuomo is going to talk about how they open new york city. what do you think about the comment that we all fail? he's the one that said 40,000 ventilators. >> yeah, bill, thanks for having me on. with all due respect to the governor who i admire, i don't

agree. none of the models were perfect. models are never perfect. but they largely predicted what we saw, which is a big increase in cases, social distancing ultimately paying off in terms of flattening the curve and starting to slow it down and bringing the cases down. you know, from the early models, 100,000 deaths. so again, with all due respect to the governor, the models largely got it right with some variables. >> bill: doc, i'm reading his words. here's my projection model. they were all wrong, they were all wrong. the policies that he initiated for how many millions of people in new york were determined and dictated by the models. so what do we make of that then? >> again, you'd have to ask the governor. my sense is he acted based on the data. again, we all wish that new york had shut down a week or two earlier. he acted when he did. that action saved lives.

brought the disease outbreak in new york under control. so i'm puzzled by that comment. i respect the governor. he's clearly trying to do the right thing. i'm baffled by that comment. i don't think the models were wrong and his actions to shut down new york were right in terms of bringing the disease under control. >> bill: it will be very interesting to see how the president and the governor handle this tomorrow at the white house. meantime, travelers from brazil have been -- there's going to be a travel ban very soon. 23,000 deaths in brazil. you agree with that travel ban or what is happening in brazil you think that is relevant to us now? >> brazil has a terrible outbreak. they're number 2 in the world now and rising quickly in terms of number of cases. they have not done anything to try to control the disease. they haven't done testing or tracing, no shut down. now they have a lot of cases, a lot of deaths. i understand the impetus for trying to do a travel ban.

they help buy you time. ultimately large parts of the world going through large outbreaks and we have to decide how much can we shut ourselves down from the rest of the world. >> thanks, doctor. breaking news. we'll bring you back soon. thanks. the mayor of minneapolis a moment ago saying the four police officers involved in the death of a black man after his arrested, the officers have been fired. this is after video surfaced. on twitter the mayor writing "this is the right call." that comes after a press conference in minneapolis. more developments on that here. president trump set to hold an event in the rose garden moments from now. he will talk about protecting seniors in america. we're keeping an eye on that. american astronauts heading to orbit for the first time in ten years from american soil. how about that?

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>> bill: tomorrow is going to be history. it will be the first lines of american astronauts into orbit from u.s. soil in about ten years. the weather is threatening. we will see if we get it. former astronaut with me and spaceman, author of that book available in paperback. i'm most curious tomorrow. whewhat is your expectation for that? >> thanks for having me on, bill. i miss you and everybody else in the world. >> bill: you look great in quarantine. >> thanks, i appreciate that. i was skeptical when these ideas were being thrown at us in the

astronaut office 12 years ago. there's no way that a private country can do this. hopefully tomorrow and that he can fly back a booster that gets them off the ground, or separate and instead of landing in the ocean and being thrown away, hopefully it will land on a platform in the ocean which is pretty remarkable. there is a very good escape system. they did a test without anybody inside. the spacecraft can separate from the vehicle. the space suits look cool. i lost twice on the space shuttle looks like a science fiction movie. they rated the whole thing. and the space suits look like something that you would expect in the 21st century. i think there's a lot of pizzazz added to it but all auto incredible technology that has been developed. >> bill: will there be a camera on the booster to see how

it comes back to earth? >> there has been before. a lot of those cameras even on the shuttle, it gives the engineers data on how things are performing. as a byproduct of that, we've got a really good post flight film. i think there's going to be a lot of footage. i think there will be cameras all over the place with today's technology. >> bill: how are you watching it? where will you be? >> i'm going to be participating as part of the discovery channel live from live launch program. we will talk about the story leading up to this, the relationship between nasa and spacex. from 2:00 until 5:00 tomorrow, you can find me on this discovery channel. >> bill: we will be covering

it live on the fox news channel as well. exciting day. night to see you. former astronaut. he has been there. thank you, mike. i heard that. it'see you soon. >> neil: protecting investors and seniors. a huge surge furthered out tod today, optimism that someone sometime soon we'll have a vaccine. a list of companies now in the dozens that are working on just that. that prospect on that instead a reopening throughout the country, a catalyst for more buying. on the left-hand side of your screen, what's happening in the rose garden, nothing right now. in a few minutes, the president will be reading reporters and those that want to see the elderly protected and vulnerable americans susceptible to the coronavirus also looked after. we will get into the