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president trump calling video shocking and ordering an expedited federal investigation into george floyd's death. the officers have been fired but have not been charged at this time. the minneapolis mayor and many others saying they should be. >> i'm not a prosecutor but let me be clear. the arresting officer killed someone. he would be alive today if he were white. the fact that i've seen, which are minimal, certainly lead me down the path that reese was involved. -- that race was involved. >> dana: george floyd's brother calling for action. >> the officers need to be arrested right now. they need to be arrested and held accountable about everything because these people want justice right now. justice. if this guy was arrested, convicted of murder and given the death penalty.

>> dana: we are awaiting a press conference from the fbi on this very case and i also wanted to point out that george floyd's girlfriend, her name is courtney ross, she had a statement she put out saying about the unrest and the riding, she said i am heartbroken, waking up this morning to see minneapolis on fire would be something that would devastate george. he came here for the people and opportunities. he was about love and peace." she said she wants demonstrators to know she understands her frustration but she wants people to protest in a peaceful way. we will take it or on the table. lawrence jones, let me start, we spoke earlier today. as night comes to minneapolis, they are bracing for another night of these riots. your thoughts. >> as i told you on your program earlier, a lot of times as someone who's been on the ground reporting on these protests when

the tragedy like this happens, reports come out afterwards and you see that the majority of the people that set things on fire art from those neighborhoods. they are outside people. there antifa. it's not the community that is mourning. i hope they are there to announce charges. this happened monday. it's thursday. if this was a cop that was brutally murdered and there were people who student watched it happen, they would be in jail right now and there would be no bail. i think it's important that when we are having this conversation, to take the city in context. the city has gone through this before. they have been sued by police officers and their departments before because of racism. one of those people that sued them is the current chief of police. the union rep that is in that

police department was seen by the police chief now with a white power sign on his jacket. so when you see people upset, they are upset because of the pattern. you know me, this audience knows me. i wait for the facts on most things. i've been an investigator. i've spent a career in criminal justice. my first job was working in juvenile court but i'm also a black man. this could have been me. when you see people like me who are conservatives, when you see someone like tim scott, the first black republican senator since reconstruction saying i've been pulled over in the capital seven times and the cop tells me the senate pin i recognize that your face i don't recognize, this is why you see outrage in this country. to piggyback on what's going on in the country during the pandemic, there's a lot of conservatives now asking questions about the states, you have seen members of the state

abuse their power and now they're saying maybe what's happening in the black community, maybe they weren't lying all along. of course there's people in the media and on the left to take advantage of these tragedies but you know me. i'm not one of those type of people. >> dana: no. you're a great person we are so glad to have you here today, lawrence. greg, since monday, since this has happened, even though the country, there's a lot of division, a lot of polarization. there was near universal, almost universal agreement that these investigators, the police officers should absolutely be investigated. that wasn't in question. then when a protest, a peaceful protest crosses the line into a right and you see a situation where targets looted, and autozone up in flames. a low income apartment building that was underway cop inflames me think about the people are going to have to wait to get their jobs back. i'm sure the state is on edge

already because of the virus. it's a real unfortunate thing. there is universal agreement. >> greg: there's two important parts of your question. number one, we feel like we have to be in two boxes, two prisons. you either believe that police brutality exists or you are repulsed by looting. in fact, you can agree with both of those. you don't have to be in one box with the other. the fact is you can be absolutely disgusted by what happened to that young man in that video. you could also be repulsed by what you're seeing right now, this ridiculously absurd video from last night. i'm also wondering why there are certain people who are silent about this behavior, as though it comes down to be expected. what does that say about you if you just expect this kind of behavior? what does that say about how you

feel about minorities? to your point, the universal agreement, if you strip away the media's framing, you will find that mostly everybody agrees on the basic things. coronavirus. we all want to beat this virus and get back to living healthy. economy. we want to get back to work safely and not go crazy. we are against police brutality and we want justice for whatever happened and we find looting repugnant. nobody would disagree with any of that. it goes back to your question. what are you riding against? what did target do to you? what did low-income housing due to you? we are all in agreement, which makes the rioting in the looting scene opportunistic. >> dana: george floyd's girlfriend, jesse, saying he would've wanted the protest to be peaceful. he wouldn't have wanted to see this. i don't know if that message

will land on any ears over the there. >> jesse: you don't need to swipe a flat screen tv to this guy's death. that's were so many people have so much compassion for this community and they see these images on the screen and they lose a little bit of it. even i can understand rioting or protesting the police. of course, this police officer looks like he killed a guy. so yeah, get out in the streets. get out there and show how angry you are, how much pain you're feeling. but then when you start slipping into stores and stealing cell phones and electronics, i don't know. this is what divides the country because you have the media, and i'm not comparing these two protests. you have the media. you had a protest last week over a lockdown, totally peaceful. people are losing their civil liberties, their jobs and their livelihood, their rights.

they are out there peacefully protesting and they are just getting smeared by the media. and then you have other people protesting rightfully over a dead man and they start lighting things on fire. you hear nothing about that. it's apples and oranges, i get it. there's reasons for people to be on the streets. i understand that. but that hypocrisy is sad and everyone agrees. yes, lawrence. this cop was a bad apple. he had complaints, multiple deadly incidents on his record. a history problem there in that department very looting and setting things on fire is going to mend fences. it's only going to make things worse. >> dana: marie, maybe you can help us understand what the fbi and state and city officials, when they come to the podium, they are about an hour late getting to the press conference. you are a great communicator by trade. what do you think they could do

or say tonight that would maybe help quell the rioting. >> marie: charges. charges against these police officers. not just that they have already been fired but that they are charged with murder and what's been so interesting to me, dana, even a few years ago we saw the trayvon martin situation or eric garner, you did not see police chiefs from across the country coming out in support of the victims. you saw silence for the most part. just this week, we have seen police officers, police chiefs across this country who worked so hard to repair relationships in their own communities, how to save these police officers don't represent us. we are better than this. that's a sea change i think is important in the public narrative across the country. that's one very small hopeful sign that we've seen in this horrible tragedy.

>> dana: marie, that's an excellent point. i heard from a police chief who said today when he saw all that great work they've been doing that community is at great risk. they been trying to build trust. president trump makes good on his threat against twitter. you will hear from him next. ♪ ♪

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tweets. take a look. >> i think if twitter were not honorable, you'd have a guy like this beer judge and jury. i thin think you shut it down. >> how would you set it down? >> i don't know i have to ask the lawyers. if it would be able to legally be shut down, i would do it. i think i would be hurting it very badly if we didn't use it anymore. >> jesse: twitter is defending its decision. but facebook ceo mark zuckerberg ripped the move, telling dana that social media platforms should not be the arbiters of truth. okay. a lot to take in. dana, when you talked to zuckerberg earlier, what was the sense? was it him needling a competitor? >> dana: i think they are rivals of course. they get lumped together in terms of big tech, and i think

one of the things that zuckerberg was trying to say is that we have a different approach and if twitter wants to do it it's okay but he did say he thought twitter made a mistake and that he doesn't think the big tech companies, if you're going to be a platform, be a platform and don't weigh in. one of the thing that's lost in this discussion is just how much the left really disdains the social media companies, especially facebook because facebook made that decision that it wouldn't weigh in on political speech. speaker pelosi today ripped mark zuckerberg. they have been taking it on the chin, even joe biden, things that they should take down. president trump's campaign ads or posts or speech, his tweets that are cross promoted on facebook. this is in some ways what president trump is doing, you could maybe see there would be some bipartisan support. but for very different reasons. they both hate it.

i think it's a slippery slope for conservatives. i know the communications act of 1996, it's 25 years old and may be a does need a little bit of updating but i also think of these companies don't have that protection, censoring will be a much more likely thing because there will -- they will be liable for all sorts of things. it's probably better to let it all go. >> jesse: i'm not so sure about that. if you could maybe target the regulation a little bit better. gutfeld, what do you think? do you think it's going to hurt the president? or do you think twitter might've stepped in it and might regret what they have done? >> greg: i don't know. trump loves to kick the tires of everything. feels like he's kicking the tires, see what he can do and gets people riled up. it's hard because the entirety of communication and culture is

overwhelmingly leftward. entertainment, media, academia. it is all left. it's too late to roll back that stuff. there is the fourth horseman, the one you should be concerned about. if this horseman, social media, joins the other ones, then it's really over because this horseman controls the algorithms and that controls the news, it controls everything. i understand that when twitter decides to fact-check, we instinctively think, who is doing the fact-checking? who is it? is it this idiot who calls everybody in the white house nazis? because that's what happens everywhere else. they are overwhelmingly progressive and leftward. they think that trump is racist and they think his followers are deplorable. do you really want them in control? that's what i think everybody is concerned about. like i said before, if fact-checking is a highway, the red cars get pulled over in the blue cars don't. i think that is where a lot of this animus comes from.

it's not going to be fair and balanced like this beloved network. >> jesse: marie, why can't joe biden just get on twitter if he knows how to do it and reply back to the president if he says something he thinks it's crazy. why does he need big tech guys to help him run his campaign? >> marie: this isn't about joe biden. i think everybody probably knows by now that i am not on twitter because of the bullying and threats. i know, jesse. this is donald trump trolling twitter. he can't shut it down. he knows he can't shut it down, the real question for twitter is whether they are comfortable with their platform being used by anyone, including the president, to promote hateful, violent, dangerous or outright fabrications to millions of people. that's a really hard question.

the fact that donald trump is taking this action today is really not a legal one. it's a political one. his favorite kind of political action. grievance, politics. but let me tell you there's a lot of conservatives on twitter. a lot of them went after me for a long time. that's why i'm not on there. the idea that twitter is not safe for conservatives is just not true. it's not borne out by the facts. >> jesse: all right, lawrence. marie makes the point that twitter doesn't want to have people going out of their platform and lighting and making threats, doing all this stuff, okay. they would have to police it, the left and the right but that's not what's going to happen. what's going to happen is they are going to over police the right and look the other way when anybody on the left does anything crazy or lies. >> lawrence: the big problem here, the problem with most companies when they get away from their value systems, the fact of the matter. the actually are taking right

now is violating their mission statement. they said, their mission statement is to share information and content without barriers. this is a new barrier. they are violating it. they are trying to be the one between the people they are trying to reach. i don't think the president is trying to shut down twitter. has nothing to do that. what is trying to do is bring awareness to a big issue. me as a conservative, i believe that this is a private company. they can do whatever they want to do but i think it's a bad business practice to violate your mission statement as well as the main person, donald trump. everyone is coming there to see what he says on twitter. he sets the new cycle on twitter every single day. those people will leave when he leaves. when it comes to competition, i think they let their politics get the best of them.

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office work until labor day or even next year. what do you make of these new guidelines and how some people still want to work from home? >> lawrence: i think, marie, we expected this to happen. our company has changed. there's payroll department, different departments that have decided that we work better from home. i get it. the problem with these guidelines is there seems to be this ongoing changing thing and i think that's most frustrating thing for americans is that if they would've just been honest and so we don't really know what we are working with. when we said you didn't need a mask, we really didn't know something. or when it came to the surfaces, that you really couldn't contracted from the surfaces and everybody went for the lysol and everything. i think at the end the day day but most americans are finding is that we weren't being as sanitary as we should've been.

i think we have to put the destiny and most americans hands. you're going to be able to choose. this locked down where we are at right now, and some states refusing to open is a problem. the guidelines should be a guide. in some cases you need to do more and in some cases you may not need to apply these guidelines. that's the way i look at it. >> marie: lawrence brought up the great point. what we know about the virus and how it's transmitted has changed so much. to be getting they were telling us not to wear masks and i we are supposed to. it makes these guidelines challenging, doesn't it? people think there's probably a lot we still don't know. >> dana: absolutely. i've been shocked that instead of just saying "we don't know," they just keep issuing guidance and then three days later they

revise the gardens. i think america's companies were looking to the cdc to get guidance like this. they want to bring their workers back in a safe way and they want to do it in a way that will prevent them from being sued. we live in a pretty litigious culture and we know all the lawsuits that are out there. a company that says we follow the cdc guidelines and we are sorry that you came down with coronavirus. we don't know if it was here or wherever. i think there is reason to have this guidance. yes, i think for some companies they found that their productivity in this period has remained a little same. but i think there's fatigue setting in. people are going to miss out on the innovation and collaboration that comes in with running into your colleagues in the hallway. i also think it's true that one of the things people do not miss, if they had a big commute, a tough commute, lots of traffic, delayed trains are our infrastructure is not keeping up, i could imagine some people say would be better for me to just work from home. perhaps the best thing to do is what lawrence suggested, get the guidance and let companies figure it out. try to get people back to work

in some way. give thing i would say is i absolutely think this guidance for restaurants has got to be lifted and alleviated. you cannot have people going into restaurants and expect them to come back, if you have to eat with a piece of plastic all around your body. it's not going to happen in the restaurants won't survive the local governments and may be the cdc doesn't allow them some leeway and fast. >> marie: jessica a lot about the question of liability? do you think there should be protections for those companies bring employees back, operating like we all are under incomplete information about the virus? >> jesse: i do but these left-wing trial lawyers probably won't let it slide. the democrats are in their pockets. you know how that plays out. do lawrence jones say something about the fox news payroll department? we are still getting paid, right? >> marie: i think he did. >> jesse: i don't care where they work. just keep the paychecks coming.

here's what i think about this remote work situation. i think it discriminates against certain types of people. good-looking people, people with a great sense of humor, and people that are really good around the water cooler. i have made some of my best moves around the water cooler. people laugh at my jokes. i get ideas for my show. people are impressed with the things i'm wearing. i get promoted because, you know, i have a certain, you know, how do you call it. i'm not going to say it in french but you know what i mean. if you are just judging people on how much they are producing or their quality of work. you're just going to judge people on work quality alone? they're not talking about intangibles? we need intangibles in order for people to be judged fairly. >> dana: has anyone here ever seen jesse around the water cooler? [laughter] >> jesse: i don't even know where the water cooler is. >> marie: greg, do you miss

jesse's jokes? >> greg: he just described himself as michael scott in "the office." the person who comes in the offices as you know what, people like my jokes. i'm going to go over and make some conversation. you know what i find interesting, how self-righteous the media got telling you to stay home for three months under the threat of shaming, arrests, fines. when it comes to looting, and vandalism, there is no shaming. they could shame you because you weren't wearing a mask that they are not shaming people carrying out tvs. anyway, i wanted to bring up the most awkward thing that's going to happen in work and that's getting onto an elevator. if an elevator door opens and there's two people on the elevator, do you get in? if you wait and somebody lines up behind you, are you they going to be mad at you if you don't go in and they go in? it's going to be complicated because the elevator could be

one of the main ways a virus spreads. you are in a box with other people. you haven't thought about that, have you? >> marie: and you can use your foot to push the elevator butt button. >> greg: i think that is only in asia. that hasn't started here yet. >> marie: more to come on "the five." new york governor andrew cuomo with controversy on what he saying about nursing home deaths. stay tuned.

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facilities and he is admitting he wouldn't send us own mother to a nursing home during the crisis. >> if i were advising a friend, i would say you have a vulnerable person. best to keep them at home and not put them in a congregate facility. keep them in a situation where you have the most control. that is the blunt truth. that's what i would do with my mother. >> lawrence: dana, very telling in this interview. he has taken a hit in the polls right now and i want to pop this up. 40% of new yorkers right now when it comes to his handling, have a negative view of him in the way he's handled those nursing home situation. the governor has been on these press conferences. he got praise from both sides. will this destroy that narrative right now? >> dana: it had to come back down to the once the facts started to get out there.

he is not used to being questioned. he was riding high for so long and having fun with his brother on cnn and then this story was relentless and so this is where journalism catches up and he's forced to answer. there was a story about how they are counting the numbers of nursing home deaths and maybe altering them. there were days of media coverage when it was suggested that the woman in florida in charge of the data had been manipulating them and then she got fired. it turned out to be fake news. then you have this story and it's not getting as much attention. i think because people are so upset that their loved ones that could've lived an average of ten years longer put in these positions. the last thing i'll say is great for him that he could have the resources to take care of his own mother if he had to. most people don't have that capability. they have to rely on a place in order to help them help their

loved ones. it's hard enough to make that decision they have to put your parents or your loved ones into a nursing him without him piling on and saying basically if you cared more, you would keep them home. that's disgustingly unfair. >> lawrence: marie, a lot of the pushback that the governor is getting right now, a lot of families want to sue. they want to get involved and they're not able to sue because the mayor gave the hospital executives immunity. what are your thoughts? >> marie: governor cuomo said he made this decision because he was following initial cdc guidance that ten other states also followed that turned out to be tragically not good. he certainly does bear responsibility. i think governor should be able to trust the guidance that they are getting from the cdc. in this case that wasn't true.

i think with litigation it's going to be very messy on this issue and many others related to covid. i don't know how it's going to play out but it's going to be messy. >> lawrence: jesse, i interviewed some folks and it will be on "hannity" tonight for their mother died as a result of this. one lady told me about my mom and with a leg injury and she left in a body bag. that was a real quote. what are your thoughts? >> jesse: they were sending body bags of these nursing homes along with patients, like a two-for-one deal. marie is wrong about the guidelines. the guidelines didn't say stuff sick people in the nursing homes. if those were the guidelines, why didn't ron desantis do it? he did something brilliant and he saved countless lives. when i do something wrong, i blame everybody but myself. i blame greg. i will say that the producers screwed up. it's exactly what cuomo did.

remember what he did. he played dumb. what directive? and then you know what, he tried to delete it, then he said trump told me to do it. now he said no, it's the nursing home's fault. he got caught red handed in on me everybody can see he made a boneheaded error. the media is covering for him. >> lawrence: greg. >> greg: i was going to say what i said before but it kind of drives me crazy that he had chris rock and rosie perez they're like as celebrity bells and whistles. the pandemic reveals i think the true weaknesses and strengths of our country. we found out about american unity, innovation, industry. our witnesses were bureaucracy, the media, politics, elder care. i think we need to look at revamping nursing homes to get better pay for the people that are there, to entice better

personnel, tax credits for families with elderly. limit the number of people who live there so that you don't have a world war ii vet sitting in his own stuff for three hours because nobody's there. this is the finish line of life, and if you are lucky, you're going to make it to that age, only to be kicked off the planet and the most degrading way possible. your reward for making this long, for defending a country, raising a family, doing great things in this world, your reward is abuse and neglect. that is the big story, how we warehouse the elderly like they are burdens with a pulse when in fact they should be treasured and valued because they gave so much and we are giving them so little. >> lawrence: we should definitely treat our elders with more respect than that. the governor definitely should take a l on this. we have to go. more "the five" coming up next.

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don't just take dana's word for it and her filthy mouth. research forming a study people's pain tolerance goes up by as much as 33% if they repeatedly said the f word, dana, and the f word, i will say it now, it's fox news. to a lot of people it is very [laughter] >> dana: to some people, yeah. [laughs] >> greg: you swear like a drunken sailor. >> dana: yeah, yeah. i have no pain. [laughter] no pain, no gain. it works for me. i had a friend, i won't name her, that i work with at the white house. she could say the f word better than anyone i ever knew. the assistant, she has no pain either. believe me. >> greg: marie, i have a theory that swearing doesn't replace other words. it actually replaces actions. so before swearing was invented, if you stub your toe, you would

probably hit someone with a rock but now when you stub your toe, you swear. it changed our behavior. >> marie: it's a good outlet, a good way to channel your frustrations. it has to be done well. he can't use it too much. can't over lose it. it loses its meaning. has to be well applied and i fully support it certainly. >> greg: lawrence, i've never heard you swear. >> lawrence: i do. the problem is, when i use the f word, that means i'm really upset. we should support this because at least you're voicing it and not putting her hands on people or objects or something. i think this is something that we should endorse. >> greg: when we say the f word, we know the word. should we come up with another word that represents the phrase f word. because effort is actually worse because it makes you think of

the word. shouldn't we have another word that represents f word that represents the other word? sticks where the f is your monologue, gutfeld? this is your monologue? this is it? >> greg: on thursdays i put together the show for saturday. don't you know that by now? >> jesse: okay. i've got it. just checking. i missed it. >> greg: it makes me warm all over that you care. on that note, "one more thing" is up next. it's best we stay apart for a bit, but you're not alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19. [ piano playing ] with one protein feels like.

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it doesn't back down - it revs up. asking questions 'til it finds what it's looking for. that's the power of science. >> dana: fox news alert. the fbi and law enforcement officials are giving an update in the investigation into the death of george floyd in minnesota. >> the county attorney mr. freeman to my right is here to talk about the state investigation. with me is the special agent in charge of minneapolis fbi. he will talk about the federal investigation and superintendent drew evans from bca will also make a few comments before we open it up for question and answer. my name is erica my donald, i'm the united states attorney for the district of minnesota.

on may 25, 2020, george floyd was arrested and detained by minneapolis police officers. i'm here to talk about and make sure the community and the media is aware that we are conducting a robust and meticulous investigation into the circumstances surrounding the events of may 25th, 2020 and the police officers actions on that evening. probably don't need to say this to all of you but minneapolis, our nation, really the world has witnessed this incredibly disturbing loss of life. my heart goes out to george

floyd. my heart goes out to his family. my heart goes out to his friends, and my heart goes out to the community. we are grieving and we will continue to grieve. to be clear, the department of justice has made the investigation in this case a top priority. we have assigned the highest of the high in my office to investigate and look at the case. the fbi likewise has a -- has assigned their experience law enforcement officers to conduct the investigation. to be clear, president trump as well as attorney general william barr are directly and actively monitoring the investigation in the case.

i have had direct communications with attorney general barr and his staff and will continue to do so. the investigation in this case will determine whether the actions of the former minneapolis police officers took violated any federal criminal laws. to include any civil rights violations. federal civil rights in criminal cases have categories and one is called under cover of law. if an officer, federal, state, local or tribal is acting under their authority and inserts or invokes the power bestowed upon them to deprive any person of any right or privilege protected by the constitution or the laws of the united states, that's in violation of federal criminal

law. it must be proven that the subject took action or did not take action when he or she knew that was wrong and chose to do it anyway. as with all matters, the investigation in this case will be comprehensive and will be conducted with the highest integrity, as the community would expect. for those that aren't aware of my background, prior to being the united states attorney for the district of minnesota, i was a judge in dakota county for over 8-plus years. having sat on that side of the bench and having presided over a multitude of trials, i can tell you. i can tell the community. i can tell everybody interested that it is critical. it's essential, imperative that

the investigation is done right and done right the first time. and that's what we're going to do. this has been a rapidly evolving situation. we first learned of it in the early morning hours of tuesday. the fbi reached out directly to me and we've been working on this case nonstop since we were notified. we understand the severity of the situation unfolding. it breaks my heart to see what is going on in our streets in minneapolis and in st. paul and in some of our suburbs. i am pleading, pleading with individuals to remain calm and to let us conduct this investigation.