that is it "the story" of thursday may 28, 2020. we will see you right back here tomorrow night at 7:00. have a good night, everybody, tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." anarchy groups parts of minnesota at this hour, rioters are burning cars and looting stores across the twin cities, minneapolis and st. paul. meanwhile lawmakers seem too afraid to do anything to protect the public. first night we are joined by fox minneapolis' karin's going for an update at the scene. karen? >> we are outside the third precinct where i'm happy to report at the moment it is peaceful. if you notice, all the attention is turned away from the third precinct and there is a

microphone set up, that's a mad dad to come up they are a community peace group. they have a microphone and lots of people are stepping up, offering peace, unity and not silence. right now though, you see the barricade it in front of the third precinct left over from last night, and again right now the crowd is growing but it is peaceful at the moment. i can tell you a short while ago, it may be about an hour ago just on the street, there was some sort of an incident or an assault. it appears that we were told that there was a stabbing at a couple people were assaulted. they called police for help, and when police arrived, they threw eggs and water bottles, police in that case responded with the flash bangs and a round of tear gas. they did manage to get those victims off to the back of squad cars and left presumably to go to the hospital.

there hasn't been any kind of a situation between the police and the crowd since then. behind me now you can see autozone, i'm sure you saw pictures of it last night up in flames and this is what's left obviously burned to the ground along with a couple of apartment buildings. there was a wendy's that burned to the ground last night just behind there. i was told 16 structures and all did very last night and firefighters responded to 16 structure fires. over here we had some looting, and you can see that the buildings were boarded up all around this area here in the precinct and obviously these stores are closed. what we have right now is a peaceful moment, big crowd but a peaceful moment as speaker step up to the mic and say let's not have a repeat of last night. we will send it back to you. >> tucker: thanks so much. if you've been watching the coverage, you know perfectly well that what's happening on the streets no matter what it

may look like is actually a quest for justice. it's a long overdue search for answers who if we are going to be honest about it have been oppressed for so long they can no longer stand idle. here was the representative seen last night. >> this is the craziest stuff i've ever seen right now. this is target right now. >> now wait a second, you might be thinking. that didn't look like a political rally, those don't even look like looters. they were smashing cash registers to steal other people's money. yes, technically they were doing that and as a factual matter they were smashing cash registers because they had already stolen everything else in the store. so, no. it doesn't look like political

activism, it look it's not liket was something immoral. >> black people's right to protest is secondary to white people's right to protest with the long guns and terrifying looking for weapons. >> this is how floyd's death ended up. police in riot gear flooding the streets with teargas and shooting rubber bullets into the ground. another example of how this pandemic has been kind of a black light exposing all the inequalities. and they are angry and, other folks are expected to be obedient. >> they are out there with

automatic weapons and they were treated with kid gloves. >> tucker: you see it's not at all like those facets in michigan. in minneapolis, there's a reason people do it, a legitimate reason. they were civilly smashing the cash registers. they are probably european cash registers, and europeans came to this country and they created with themselves every man, and that's okay, and the police are benign. they don't even act afraid. but let black people show up and protest the death of an innocent black man and suddenly we need teargas.

the police are there to protect the people who are emerging as neo-nazis, not to protect the black people. >> tucker: it's so who watches joey read? it turns out the people who are in minneapolis. they declared that racism is "a national emergency. meanwhile, mobs in downtown minneapolis kept looting, stores kept burning. and they were stealing play stations from target. that's the new standard. now that we are in a state of national emergency the question is, what's not acceptable?

what's not okay? anything? here's what some of the "protesters were chanting last night in minneapolis. you are going to see that clip on cnn, how come? facts like this, and there are a lot of them, challenge the carefully constructed story lines our leaders profit from. practically every day we are told that white cops are a mortal threat to black men and some are obviously, a black man was killed by the police, it's awful. but what are the national numbers on this? net naturally we know the answers. white police officers were less likely to shoot and kill nonwhite suspects than nonwhite police police officers were. in any given year police kill more white suspects armed and unarmed than black suspects. and that's a fact by the way, not political propaganda, it's

provably true. no one on television will ever say that because that fact threatens the scams they are working. eddie clow jr. might be the living embodiment of this phenomenon. if you've ever wondered if yelling exist at the people you want something from is an effective business plan, he is living proof that indeed it is. by regularly screaming "racist" he's been able to write an academic career all the way to an endowed professor at princeton. it's a job with such high pay and so few actual requirements that dowd can dress like a british lord and spent most of his day shoveling by limbo between cable news heads. as long as he continues to denounce people as a recess, the right people, he can probably keep that job forever. so naturally he has no interest in explaining how exactly racism makes people a target.

as he told viewers at msnbc, it's all about the "context." >> human beings natural inclination while they feel wrong, when they feel put upon, when they are living under these conditions, to lash out. it's a history of the world and summaries. but we have to do is understand the context of what happened. >> tucker: the context. squint your eyes, the context. of course. there's a context of setting fire to mcdonald's. it's interesting. so you have to wonder how would eddie clow jr. responded something like this happen to him? if looters descended on his house? would he gently describe them as protesters? if they smashed the windshield of his bmw with rocks, would eddie clow to call the police over calling the police be racist? just how long in other words could eddie cloud maintain his fraudulent racial justice shti

shtick, and let's hope none of us is tested. they are unpredictable and mortally dangerous. signs appear or authorizing, we have a lot of those in this country over the years and there's nothing worse than that. watch the city's police chief explain why he doesn't plan to do anything at all to stop writers. >> what they are saying is it's too dangerous for police to

directly confront the looters, so you've made the decision to let that site go for now and focus on keeping the rest of the neighborhood as safe as possible? >> absolutely. and my safety is paramount. i don't want them to go into an area where they are at risk of harming themselves. >> tucker: it's perfectly backward. the safety of the citizens, especially the week as citizens and that's what we have police in the first place, to protect people that cannot act themselves. and that's fine to do something else but, we might get hurt

unfortunately, our apologized. things are falling apart. and as they collapse, our leadership class seems thrilled. "the new york times" wrote a piece just this morning with the title "how white women use themselves as instruments of terror." the subheading read this way "there are too many newest and next, charred bodies and drowned souls for them to deny knowing precisely what they are doing. "what does that mean, them? but they are doing? keep in mind, and every single person of a certain color and sacks has a hand in.

they are sustained by blood guilt. you know the answer. it's hard to believe our leaders are actually talking like this but they are, a lot, and loudly. if they keep it up, things will not end well and yet they show no signs of slowing down. watch as two of cnn's leading lights get to the bottom of the national emergency we are living through. they've discovered who is responsible for it, 100% responsible. they know who's guilty. here's the hint, it's an entire racial group. >> it is not incumbent upon black people to stop racism, it is incumbent upon people who hold the power in the society to help do that, to do the heavy lifting. and guess who that is? who is that? white people. >> tucker: the funny thing is, these are the very same people who claim they are fighting "your racism.

but the problem is much bigger this time than mere hypocrisy. we are used to that. this problem is far more honest, accurate is in three sentences. there are 320 million of us in this country. a lot of us are very different from one another yet, we all have to live together. in fact, most of us want to live together. but suddenly our leaders are making that dangerously difficult. david web host a reality check with david webb and he joins us. david, thanks so much for coming on. i don't think anybody could watch the tape of the guy dying underneath that cop in minneapolis and not feel sick, and i'm in that category. but i don't understand why at a volatile moment like this the people to whom we look for guidance and wisdom are making the problem worse and intentionally making people hate each other. why are they doing now? >> tucker, you know i watch religiously and we work together and for the first time i felt a little bit down as you were

going to your monologue and your points in the various positions. but it goes right to your question. these are people who are not interested in dealing with the real issues in our society. this is a tragedy that should have never happened and we both know that, americans know that. but they are using it. they are raising poverty who are using it to foster violence, the tearing down of society, and in fact if they were successful, the tearing down of what we have done in this country which is to involve and advanced as a culture which is it overturns racism has opened up the door to men and women and all ethnicities. here we are discussing it again as people burn their own communities and it's a sad testament to many out there that are doing this. you're talking about the cash register, how does that advance? how does breaking and eluding advance your right just cause and at your right just actual

justice for deutsche floyd? how does it do that? it doesn't. others that are jumping on board whether it's rappers or public figures of some sort or calling for rioting or calling for more of it, this is where society reaches the crux of a real challenge to itself. i'm going to employ that the people of minneapolis, st. paul and everywhere, please think about what you are doing to your communities. think about your examples in florissant, east florissant and south florescent streets. think about what has happened to those neighborhoods and what you have done to destroy your community while not achieving the level of justice you seek. spiel and some fraudulent princeton professor eggs them on, they are not coming to their his house.

in 1966 they had race riots, and for these people to encourage that is really wrong. david webb, thank you for your perspective, i appreciate it. these pictures by the way we show two of the burning car we set up on the screen, that's happening right now. we will be watching the chaos in the twin cities and back in washington the president has signed an order that breaks tech control speech online. will it work? we will talk with a member of congress about that. ♪ "the return of drifting"

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los angeles now requires all citizens to wear masks even when they go outside. here is no scientific evidence whatsoever that forcing people to wear masks outside prevents the spread of disease, none. no evidence, but whatever. numeric commands it's done like commands it and he's god now, you have to. but listen to the details on this order from so-called health board authority is. if you must rewire your cloth face mask before washing, wash her hands immediately after putting it back on and avoid touching her face. think about that, what are they telling you? they are telling you that your face mask is so dangerous that you must wash her hands thoroughly after touching. it's like a bio weapon. but then you are required to put that same terrifyingly dangerous face mask over your nose and mouth and you are required to do this by law. good luck los angeles, you don't deserve this. back in washington today the

president does signed an executive order designed to stopped censorship. this comes two days after twitter passed a fact-check that criticize universal mail-in voting that's conducive to voter fraud. twitter called it a lie anyway. so what does the president's order do? it redefines u.s. policy and it says explicitly that the president's decision to protect free speech on social media platforms. toward that end the white house will create a tool to report bias to the federal trade commission for possible investigation. additionally the secretary of commerce is the order to petition the spc that would expose tech companies to legal action if they were banning users or if they don't give users an adequate ability to contest the censorship they've suffered.

all of this is good, but the question is, is it enough if it comes to fruition, and if the order does what it says it well, it will take some time. of course it could be instantly reversed and likely will be the second democrat takes power. so what we need to fix this is an executive order. again those are reversible about laws which are passed by the congress traditionally and it should be. the communications decency act of 1996 is at the center of this. it's the reason that big tech is as powerful as it now is. section 2:30 of that act holds, and we are quoting now, "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of information provided by another information content provider. what does that mean? it means a big tech companies, facebook, twitter and youtube are not considered responsible for the content that appears there because they are just platforms. they can't be sued for libel if

somebody posts something libelous on their services. they are considered neutral. that makes sense, we are in favor of that if they remain neutral platforms but they are not neutral platforms, they are publishers. the most powerful publishers in the world. they fact-check as you've heard recently. twitter routinely purges users for simply having the wrong political views. facebook has created an oversight board to decide what users are allowed to say. youtube takes down videos if they question the decrees of local politicians. this is political censorship and it's taking place with the approval of the united states congress. so these are monopolies and they are conducting censorship, they are not neutral platforms putting out all information in the public's best interest. they are publishers creating content in the same way cnn

does, msnbc, "the new york times" and fox news. but unlike any of those, these are immune from lawsuits thanks to section 2:30. that is corrupt. it empowers a handful of tech monopolies to the detriment of everyone else and puts a small group of people in control of all the human information in english and gets our constitutional liberties. so at this point after years of this, congress taking payoffs of these people and ignoring it, now is the time to stop it. if these businesses wants to be treated as a neutral platforms, they must be neutral platforms. otherwise they should get their part of our evening from them immediately. this congressman is pushing to do that and we are grateful for that. thanks so much for coming on. why hasn't this happened already, they are violating the intent of the law. >> big tech buys off congress so

that local television stations don't enjoy. if we just wait around, big tech will steal this election from donald trump and the american people. in 2016 we won three rust belt states by a point each and that's when no one thought donald trump could win. we have to be as aggressive as they are. that means bills like senator hawley and i have filed to change section 2:30 is publishers are not the unbiased platform they are, it means an executive order but it also means getting the other elements of the government to enforce existing law. the federal election commission needs to get off their duff. that was a hoax. we have domestic election interference going on right now and i will be filing a complaint with the federal election commission right now because of

what they've done to president trump. as a voter i have the standing to do it and president trump should call on the commission questions that are for them so the tech companies get flushed out of the bushes. >> tucker: and mark zuckerberg argues that you don't want to see the section 2:30 vote. so you probably don't want to change that but you have to make these companies live up to the promise they made. how should you force them to do that? >> big tech companies have a tremendous amount of influence over congress which is one reason why i don't take their pac money or anyone else's. but on the question of what has to be done, i agree with you. if someone is going to assert that they are on nonbiased neutral platform we should not just take that as an article of

faith. we have to have investigative work done, transparency and disclosures. if we are giving these folks the privileges that you would give a public utility company then maybe we need to start regulating tech like the public utilities that they are. >> tucker: that's exactly -- i hate to think it's going to come to that but you almost have to. the press of course has covered every death from coronavirus which they should do. they've given almost no attention to the exclusion of suicides and overdoses caused by the lockdowns in response to the coronavirus. it's a huge problem. it's real. we have an important story by someone has been touched by it personally. then we will head back to minneapolis live where rioters are continuing to destroy one of this country's great cities, unimpeded. that's just ahead. music physica

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>> tucker: at the savage beating of a 75-year-old service veteran edited detroit's westwood center was horrifying, we play the tape for you. but the story becomes even worse when you know the details. according to his father, a 20-year-old jaden hayden was transferred by the state to that facility after he tested positive for the coronavirus come to a nursing home. how could that have happened?

dr. mark stegall joins us tonight. >> i will tell you how this happened. governor whitmer has one of the most supreme serious lockdowns and the entire country. the upper peninsula of michigan has only 110 covid-19 cases, and it's a beautiful recreational area and yet it's under extreme lockdown. the congressman in the state have been complaining and writing up ads about this and that's how severe the lockdown is. but not nursing homes, nursing homes are not locked down at all. in fact bob gordon who is the head of health and human services and michigan announced just this week, we just heard this breaking news that there are over 1200 deaths in nursing homes and facilities like it in michigan, over 25% in the of the deaths in michigan of covid-19 have occurred in nursing homes and this is being underreported, it's actually a lot more than that. how can this happen? we talked on the show about governor cuomo of new york

having this rigid order that forces nursing homes to take back people who are covid-19 positive to admit people who are covid-19 positive, in that since been partly withdrawn. here in michigan, guess what? governor whitmer actually issued an executive order on may 20th, tucker. may 20th, saying that nursing homes can't prohibit people from being admitted who are covid-19 positive and they have to just put them in a unit for covid-19 positive patience. this is a disgrace and it's going to cause covid-19 to spread through these nursing homes and we will see way more deaths. one final thing about this, i put my boat in the water right before memorial day and i went out and i had a thoughtful, revealing experience. i want to say to her, when your husband's vote goes in the water, go out on the sea and

rethink this nursing home policy and we send this executive order, please. before we see thousands more unnecessary deaths. >> tucker: i think that's wise advice. being outside does help you think clearer, there is no doubt about that. thank you so much. >> tucker: deaths from this virus has been heavily covered, and far less attention has been given to the head and agni resulting from months of lockdown. as of tonight one-third of all americans showed signs of depression, anxiety or both. and they are dying in unprecedented numbers. unfortunately no one understands that as a well as a red constable does, and it's hard to even say this but he just lost a

son hayden who is locked down as well. it is very hard to have this conversation. it's important for the public to hear this. tell us the effect that you think this had on your family? >> tucker, 41 days ago, right above my head to come in 12-year-old boy, three days before his 13th birthday took his life. hayden was a normal kid, he wasn't depressed, he loved athletics. i created a video that has since gone viral and i said he died of the covid virus. he didn't die of the virus but died certainly because of the virus. isolation has created, and what i worry and more every parent tonight, and emotional tsunami is sweeping the nation. i'm very concerned about it.

>> tucker: let's talk about that if you would. tell us the effects that you think that is having children customer >> let me start with some stats that most people in america don't even know. the second leading cause of death of 15-24-year-olds of suicide. 25-34-year-olds of suicide. 80% of the studies have shown that up to 80% of all suicides were impulsive suicides. in that we made the decision very quickly. so when we combine that with social isolation which is not the human condition, that's a perfect storm in the scenario where we have what has taken place all across the country.

>> tucker: you have said that it hasn't just touched your family and her family so much but people in your community have also gone through moments like this. and there's a total of six. just last week, this is a tragedy. the stigma around suicide, i know it can be taboo, i know people can talk about it because they don't know what to say but, we have to talk about it. what we've done the past hasn't worked. i implore every american, every parent out there. if you're working on the patio outside grab your son or your daughter, take them to

home depot, take them on a walk. conversations matter and we are at a heightened state of emergency. >> tucker: thank you for telling that story. the russia collusion story has it been essentially debunked for more than a year. but even now, the basis for that investigation with the so-called hacking of the dnc remains intact. the russians dated. but that the russians do it? that's the core question. plus the minneapolis riots are ongoing. we will tell you what's happening when we return.

>> tucker: it's awaited the russia collusion story come from? it was rooted in thousands of leaked emails and that set of emails, emails from john podesta's personal gmail account were stolen by russia and given to wikileaks in london. that was the story. anyone who questioned it was attacked. when we asked a question about it, adam schiff himself suggested we must be russian agents. >> look right into the camera and say i know for a fact that vladimir putin was behind the attack, hacks. >> absolutely. >> tucker: and john podesta's email. >> i think that ronald reagan

will be rolling over in his grave. >> you will have to show it to rt russian television. spiel and so he wouldn't say because he knew it wasn't true. and now there's a committing evidence to the fact that it wasn't true. let russia didn't do that. the fbi never directly inspected the dnc's servers for evidence of russian hackers, they took the word of a private company called crowd strike. but in the recently classified testimony, there is no proof that russia did that. julian assange has always denied that russian hackers got him the emails. and yet here's something very on it, audit, the mueller team never interviewed him. he wants to be interviewed but they never did. do you know why? the truth was never the point. we disagree probably on a lot politically, but from day one he has taken an enormous amount of abuse from being skeptical of the russia story and we are

happy to have him on tonight. so i can't get past this one question, and i think you probably know more about this than anyone i know personally. the question of how do these emails get from the dnc server to wikileaks? it's starting to look like maybe they were leaked by a dnc staffer who is mad that the hillary campaign was siding with the dnc. do you think that's how they got there? how did they get to wikileaks? >> i don't think we know and that was the point all along. the original heresy investigate that got many of us expelled from the halls of decent liberal company was questioning the declaration from security state agencies who have a history of lying, declaring definitively that russia was behind the hocks and all you had to do in order to be declared a heretic and journalism was to say, you know, i'd like to see some evidence

from them. i'm not saying it couldn't have been or that it's beyond the realm of possibility. but, we got the kind of response is that you just showed with adam schiff, accusing you of being a kremlin pollen or cram an asset or disloyal or unpatriotic, and wanting to see some evidence. as it turns out there is some relatives -- of the head of crowd strike, the only entity that was actually able to examine the server is admitted in closed hearings before the house that there is no concrete evidence, that russia and his words, next filtrate at those emails. he said there is circumstantial evidence but there is no hard concrete scientific evidence the way we were told for three years. the amazing thing is, very few people have talked about that

incredibly important testimony, the media has just utterly ignored it. >> tucker: by the way, if you hear of dogs barking in the background, it's because glenn greenwald runs a dog shelter out of his house. so he ran these emails which started the whole story. why didn't someone from the investigation ever interview him? >> i think it's reasonable to say that even if julian assange believes that the people who gave him those emails were not part of the russian government, that doesn't at all prove that it wasn't the russians who did the hacking. they could have easily done the hacking and then given it to someone else. but if you are investigating a crime in which emails and up

illicitly like the group that publishes them, obviously you want to talk to who gave it to him and he was pleading to be interviewed and he just refused. speed limit they interviewed a woman i know because she was at a party that someone else was at. glenn greenwald, great to see you. well, it's been two days but rioting and looting are still underway in the twin cities. we have live reporting from the scene, next their biggest breakthrough yet. advanced engineering promotes healthy posture and relief for achy shoulders and back. visit tommiecopper.com to see the entire line of wearable wellness compression. they have you covered from head to toe. - tommie supports my back and my life. - [narrator] go to tommiecopper.com right now and save 25%.

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>> tucker: rioters are continuing to devastate the twin cities and of fox's mike tobin as their wives. >> i've already seen it going off just a little bit here, if you look right behind me, there was a car fire underway right now. and we have to be careful, someone just took the fire extinguisher with all of those compressed gases and threw it inside of the car fire. so that guy clowning around has put himself in a bad position. earlier teargas came out, and someone was hurt, people were throwing things out the paramedics and police tried to get them some space and that's when they came out there.

so not any big things, just a little skirmish and a car fire. he saw from the u.s. attorney saying the investigation was underway with the backing of the president, the backing of the u.s. attorney general, they want to see arrests and they want to see convictions and don't want to wait for the process. tucker? >> it's called mob justice. just a car burning in the middle of the street and a major american city. kenneth qualls is running for congress and the third district of minnesota. thanks so much for coming on. what do you make of the response to this? i'm sure like most people you were upset by the video of the man dying, most people were. but the response from the leaders in your area, what's happening in minnesota? >> thank you for having me on, i wish it was under better circumstances. i think all of us outraged by

what we saw in the video, our hearts go out to george floyd and his family but there are three things really that need to be, clarified if you will come up for what's happening on the grounds. three different groups of people come when you have legitimate groups of people, there were there were black-and-white from the community, equally outraged. then you have the people you don't see. these are the most vulnerable citizens, lots of single mothers that want to actually have a different direction for their children. they want them to escape, those communities, much like i did, when i lived in harlem. lastly you have the mob, if you will, taking advantage of the situation. they are not there to protest. they are being missed mislabeled as protesters and they are not.

>> i think that such a smart and important point, i think all of us are for legitimate protest, we defended all the time but this isn't for some of these people about the death of the specific man, it's about something different? >> unfortunately cell. the tragedy of this is, now the whole topic of discussion, pretension is driven towards these activities. his memory and his family. it's all about now "law & order" and we have seen this consistently in this country. if anything, for those people that we never hear about, we never get to hear their voice, those that are most vulnerable, they are wishing. something like taking control of the city or taking control of the situation should have happened much thinner. >> tucker: it won't make lives better for people, that's for

sure. it is a long history of moments like this hurting people who don't have a lot. thank you so much for coming on tonight. we are completely out of time, and about three seconds wake up the great sean hannity takes over for 9:00 p.m. in new york. >> sean: all right tucker, great show as always, thank you. i don't get called to great very often. we start with breaking news on multiple fronts tonight including sick and twisted attacks on the president, actually trying to blame him for the death of george floyd. you have celebrities encouraging more violence, looting and anarchy that has already emerged. we will get to the videos in a few minutes. also more shocking comments from andrew cuomo amid new york's worsening nursing home scandal. new explosive details. we also have an in-depth hannity investigation into the scandal with our own lawrence jones. he is aak