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in the fundamentals of the department of public safety, fundamental to the state patrol that we take an oath to support the constitution and that we believe that our work is absolutely essential to allow everyone's first amendment right to have their voices heard. we were not deployed and we have not been deployed and we will not be deployed to stifle free speech. but we will not and cannot allow unlawful, dangerous behavior to continue. i am particularly proud of our relationship with both the minnesota national guard, the department of national resources and colonel langan. we called and they came. it doesn't make it much more comp gated than that. i said i'm going to need you and
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am going to need you here in the city and i need you for two or three days and i may need you longer than that and i can't tell you what i'm going to need you to do yet. but i know i need you. and they came. they began preparing readiness to be able to move folks from all over the state of minnesota, literally from miles and miles away to come to the metro area to be prepared to help us keep the peace. over the course of the day, i met with my counterparts in minneapolis and st. paul, chief arradondo, to talk about what missions they needed the state to help them fulfill. the department of public safety at that point was calling to say we are here to support you. we are your partners. tell us what you need and we will backfill. we will fill in the gaps. tell us what you need for resources and we will help you
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get. and we did get some very specific missions and in other cases we got no real mission at all. in the absence of a real mission, we began to identify where the critical needs were. we tasked the state patrol. we tasked dnr, the minnesota national guard to meet specific missions that we were requested to do. we also tasked them with being flexible because we knew that if things continue to devolve. we might need to pivot and shift from a static post of guarding critical infrastructure to a fast-moving operational approach of restoring order. about midnight last night i was party to a call where that pivot had to be made.
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where the mayor of minneapolis called and said they had no more resources and they were not able to meet the public safety needs and control the behaviors that were occurring on lake street. they had lost the third precinct. there were concerns about a gas main and there were concerns about continued looting and fires burning throughout the city of minneapolis. different than our first night, there were comparable concerns of looting and fires being set in the city of st. paul and so we had to divide our resources to meet the needs of both the twin cities. the task the governor gave me was pretty simple actually. it was to hold together a team that could go in, keep the peace, protect people, protect their safety, protect their lives, protect their liberty and to protect property that was
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being burned up, literally every minute that we delayed. the hennepin county sheriff was one of my first calls. sheriff hutchinson immediately moved into action to give us support. we already had dnr. we already had state patrol. we all already had minnesota national guard. we have them available but we hadn't tasked them with what we needed them to do and we needed to create a plan. the ovum police chief offered support. the chief of police for metro transit offered support. with that team together, we put together a 250 ballpark cadre team to go in and restore order on lake street. we created a mission. it was very specific. i may mission-driven person. we talked about the fact that we were going to be respectful of
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people's rights, that we were going to keep the peace and make people safe. and that we were going to follow our training and protocols by making a public announcement that they needed to clear the streets. and if they didn't clear the streets, arrests were imminent. we made those announcements. we made those announcements repeatedly so that no one would be confused about what our intent was or what we were there to do. and then having made our announcements, we began to move to clear the streets. i will tell you that the vast majority of the great people of minnesota and the great people of minneapolis who are, who are still having their guts ripped out about the floyd murder. we will call in a murder. that's what it looked like to me. i don't want to prejudice this from a criminal perspective but i'm calling it what i see at
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that point. they weren't the people that were out there on the streets at 3:00 in the morning when we arrived on lake street. the people that were out there on lake street at 3:00 in the morning weren't the good people of minnesota and they weren't the good people of minneapolis. they weren't the people that wanted to mourn the loss of a friend, a relative and a neighbor. and when they saw the national guard, minnesota state patrol, and this cadre, this team moving down the street, the vast majority of them did what we thought they would do. they left. there were a few that decided not to leave. that was a choice that they get to make but we had advise them what that choice would result in. we took action to respectfully and carefully take folks into custody as was necessary. and it was a very limited and
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very structured and extremely disciplined approach in making those arrests. we are very proud of the fact that despite we've seen over the last few days of gas and canisters and fathers, -- foggers was necessary. we did it the old-fashioned way. command presence, uniformed presence, clear intent restore order, keep the peace and keep people safe. my task today is a little different. having accomplished that mission and i think we have secure those streets and i appreciate the fact that i write now have national guard folks still holding background that we took last night. we need to get background and prepare for what may come today.
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our task today as we are bringing together a unified command of metro area police departments, sheriffs departments, and other law enforcement jurisdictions and other public safety entities into a multiagency command center where we will create a plan that will keep the peace, maintain peace and prevent further lawless behavior in the city of minneapolis, the city of st. paul, and in the surrounding suburbs. we are going to do this the right way. we are going to do it with full knowledge that our oath is to serve the state of minnesota, serve the communities and to protect them. we are fully confident that we can do that mission and that we can do it while still ensuring that the constitutional rights of those who need to have their voices heard and who need to
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freely assemble can be protected. i can tell you that no one could have heard mr. lloyd' -- mr. fls voice and the screaming and the shouting and the fires at 1:00 in the morning on lake street. my job is to make sure that tonight that the community is safe that our team is ready and prepared to keep it safe. with that, i'm very pleased to introduce the kernel of the minnesota state patrol , colonel matt langer. >> thank you, commissioner. i have the honor and privilege of serving as chief of the minnesota state patrol. i don't need to rehash with the commissioner went through in terms of details he provided on the role of the minnesota state patrol as it pertains to the city of minneapolis this week.
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thinking about what to say about this week and difficult is the first word that comes to mind. it doesn't represent everything well enough but it certainly represents the challenges the minnesota state patrol has faced the last couple nights as we've worked hard to combat the lawlessness, the dangerous behavior, and the criminal activity that has occurred both in the city of minneapolis and other places. let's be -- specifically last night. shortly after midnight, governor walz asked the state patrol to lead an event in the city of minneapolis to quell the unrest that was occurring in and around the third precinct. there are many challenges in the area. one of the main challenges in that area was that there were fires set, the minneapolis fire department was unable to get there and extinguish those fires because they were -- is the commissioner explained, we assembled a team with the state patrol, dnr, university of
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minnesota, transit pd, hennepin county sheriff's office, the national guard and we assembled a team quickly, swiftly, strategically. we descended into the city of minneapolis with the one goal in mind, to safely and quickly as possible recover the ground that had been lost, the lawless activity, make it safe again and then restore order, clean the area and get it presentable so that we can move into the future tonight and beyond with a much different picture of what it means to be a resident, citizen, and your ability to demonstrate peaceably. that's the mission we took on and that's what we did overnight. it was difficult and dangerous work for everyone involved. the people that are demonstrating and those are caught in the middle of a demonstration without the desire to demonstrate and the first responders there to do good work. we had people who suffered minor
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injuries. they stayed on the line and continue their good work because we needed everything one of them to do their job. we remain ready and we were there today with the national guard, doing our best to hold ground well and make sure that we restored order, clean that spot up better than it was before and continue our efforts major public safety is of paramount concern as we move forward tonight and into the future and then work together to restore order across the entire city of minneapolis. as a side note, we had a couple missions other places last night. our responsibility to the state capital and we also assisted the city of st. paul is of lawless behavior that was occurring on university avenue and some of our mobile response team assets. one thing i'll note is that we have troopers in the metropolitan area from all across the state of minnesota. there was an opportunity that we afforded the governor to make staffing boosts but is within the purview of the executive branch and within the ability of
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the state patrol to do on very short notice. hats off to those troopers that responded, those dnr officers that responded from all across the state of minnesota to come for an unknown period of time to learn very, very hard to make minnesota what we believe it should be, safe place for everybody. thank you. >> i would notes before we take questions and we'll try to make sure we answer everyone or as many as you need to ask, i would note to the reporters here in minnesota, it was about three weeks ago i started in front of you and as we passed 500 deaths by covid-19 and i said that on about the 29th of may we would pass 1,000. that will happen today. in the midst of this pandemic, we are still working on that. we believe again, numbers are down. icu bed capacity is stable. we are doing everything we can and as you heard from the folks speaking, the vast majority of people out there who are expressing their first amendment rights and the rage over what happened to george floyd were
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wearing masks and doing their best to social distance and not touch things. i will note that the desire to get back to normal is so overwhelming for everyone when so many in minnesota would say what else could happen, we have witnessed this. i think it's an important time to pause about that. the problem is for so many of us, thinking that normal is where we want to go. normal was not working for many communities. normal was not working for george floyd. precovid-19. it's certainly not working now. i think as you heard the attorney general talk about, the work we are trying to look at to try to use this as a point and not just rhetorically but a point to make those changes. with that, mary will start. >> reporter: what about the public? the public did not see you, hear you, you did not address the public the last two nights. >> i certainly don't gets important to be on tv. i think what you expected me to do is to be there.
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we were in a support role as the state law shows and once we -- once it became apparent to me that the city of minneapolis would not be able to complete that, i was directing the state to take that over. this is my responsibility. >> reporter: to talk to the public about your plans. >> if you think i didn't, that's probably the case as a reporter but as those decisions were being made and that we were staying in the lane that we were asked to support this and as a deteriorated, at 12:05. there was a decision we made last night to come in front of you at that time because that was a transition point. what you are saying now is the state is the lead element now starting at 12:05 last night in the first missions we carried out. for many of you who know, i try to make myself available as possible. it was important for me to be given the data and the feedback. i was watching what you were saying. to be quite candid, when the third precinct was abandoned, it seemed at that point in time that that was the time to move.
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>> reporter: governor. >> i stayed in the residence. i have all the electronic tools and we were on all night. as i said, we were taking calls and adjusting and i was able to track as a situation evolved. there was a dangerous task that i tasked the state patrol national guard to go down and take it. those of you who are watching as i was, as the lawlessness was burning down the three piec -- d precinct, that can happen. it took a while to but that's where i was at. >> reporter: governor walz. there were millions of americans and minnesotans certainly watching on their tv screens as this unfolded last night. there was almost a complete lack of visibility of local police, state police, national guard. after much fanfare about how the national guard was coming in. people watched buildings burn, public and private. how could there not been a clear mission for the national guard
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when they were called in and you knew things were going to happen last night? >> i will let my leadership come back up there. you're absolutely right. it speaks to itself that by shortly after 10:00 i made it become apparent that structure would go through the way this works is the mayors ask and take charge and lead on the missions. i will let the folks. i see it too. the decision to not engage. i want to be clear, there is is philosophically an argument to be made in an armed presence on the ground and where we just had a police killing is seen as a catalyst. my point that was we don't need a catalyst. it's already burning. it's trying to strike the balance. i'm in total agreement with that. you will not see that tonight. there will be no lack of leadership. there will be no lack of response on the table. >> reporter: should there have been a national guard presence on every corner in those areas last night as a deterrent? as opposed to having them come in -- >> potentially but the decision
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on that as it's made from the city, and on this one i think i would agree with them. we saw it the first night. decisions were made. up until about 8:30 last evening it appeared that things were relatively peaceful. there was a decision during the day whether to occupy the entire city and shut it down after those 24 hours. in retrospect, i'm assuming that yes we would say that but at the time, and again we will not know it as proving the negative. would it have simply started that movement faster and we would -- would we have seen it move out of the third precinct? it's a valid critique and point. >> reporter: there was uncontrolled looting in st. paul yesterday afternoon. you're talking about making decisions at 10:00. why are you making the decisions that are not coming up with the scenarios when these things are happening just up the street? >> the leadership of communities is led by local leadership, their police force. they were, at that time, had sources in reserve. they were not being requested.
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they were not being requested. i am on with them. the reason we are standing here today as of this would've been executed correctly, the state would not lead on this. the statement of support of those and they would've move forward. that did not happen. so now today we are taking that. we are making the decision to go moving forward. back to tom's question, had i known that we were not going to see that where the capability to do it, should the state of come in? potentially. i want to be very clear. with the exception of the state troopers who have a very specific statutory requirement on the highways, orator is to the local police and sheriffs. we do not have a built-in police force. general jensen is not a police force. there's experts there but these are not the police force that are on their streets with their people. that's a decision that was made. it was in reserve. yes, keeping in mind is this unfolded, the request came from st. paul for the guard to be activated at 5:00. i had moved on a warning order
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earlier than that to be prepared. you are really supposed to wait until you get that and start moving them in. it wasn't going to be possible. by 5:00 yesterday, the guard troops were coming from all over. they were getting activated because of the events that happened the night before and we prepared to carry out those missions and they were there. as you heard, some of these folks said those missions never came. reporter: a lack of clarity clarity. it sounds pretty extraordinary. is it supposed to come from the police department? >> again, as it relates to emergency management in minnesota, county emergency management coordinator's do exactly what you just asked. they define what they need and what they want. the next negotiated with the state eeoc and public safety along with the agency that they are asking for.
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it's not always the national guard. in this case it is. the reason why it's negotiated with the national guard is to make sure that we have the capability to do the mission that's being asked. yes we are always in support of the local leadership. the local civilian leadership. i have no authority to self deploy the minnesota national guard anywhere in the state. i have no authority whatsoever. so i follow exactly what you laid out. civilian leadership, civilian elected officials make the request and we work with them. if i'm not accomplishing their task and their mission, i risk failure of mission. i also risk the chance that i might break the law. i can't just merge my soldiers down into minneapolis and say this is what john jensen believes we need to do. that's not how the government works and that's not how are military responds and reports to legitimate civilian leadership.
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what you asked is exactly right, that's exactly how it supposed to work. >> reporter: by mayor frey, the plan was to let the protesters take over the third precinct and if that's true, why did it take until 10:30 for that to happen and why are you not called until after midnight to take over the third precinct? >> that is a question you'll have to ask mayor frey. >> i think the commitment to hold the third was not one that i felt comfortable with and it's one we discussed during the day. the potential that the third precinct would not be held, that's correct. >> reporter: we were told that the police and the third precinct were told before noon that they would be evacuated at some point. the directive, that they would be allowed to take it over. >> that was the turning point where we were prepared and that's when we moved in. that's where we did not believe
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the third should be given up and that's why it's not in the area was taken back by the force we put together starting at 12:15 and executed about 3:40. i think, like all of you watching, you can't have civil order deteriorate and then you have to make a calculated decision about the force going in there. do you escalate, stop it, endanger civilians and the force going in there? those are decisions that you heard. it is local police departments. we are not a police force, the state. we have abilities to come back and backfill. the closest we have two that police forces the state patrol but that's not their normal... >> reporter: why allow it to get to that point? i understand what you're saying that his people are watching, that's the question. >> 8:30 to 10:00. that was his decision to go. it took time to build that
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force. we are seeing it and there was no definitive answer whether they were going to and i'm seeing what you were seeing. there were still officers in the third precinct. at least i believe until, maybe correct me on this, until 9:00 or 10:00. >> reporter: if you considered additional tools, additional powers, curfews, any sort of martial law orders to increase the authority was to mark >> those tools are there. we are in the planning stage. i don't want to take these folks tomorrow, they are doing. that being done over the last 24 hours as we prepared. the order, the structure and many have been involved with this. i spent 24 years in the national guard myself. i'm familiar with how it works and i'm familiar with what general jensen is talking about. they get the order and they know what they're going to need to do. i as an enlisted soldier with work with my troops to make sure that they were packing the proper equipment, check it out, be ready, drill through the things. those never came in many cases.
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>> reporter: in different situations, we weren't asked to help and at some point we were. why wait to be asked to help and why not be proactive? >> we are. maybe yesterday. i will be the first to tell you, i think in any of these things if you're not second-guessing and if you're not looking at the decisions, you're going about it all wrong. the lessons learned potentially so. again at that time, we have to count on our partners on this, as they say things are going. i'm not sure the quick moving group of anarchists that was moving so quickly, one of the things if you think about this to prevent this from happening, like at the super bowl or the rnc, 18 months of planning went into it. 18 months of planning and prepositioning. 18 months of joint powers agreements. 18 months of lining up the materials that were there to make sure all those situations could be there. because my situation on this is once you lose control like that, i am deeply concerned about the bad actors. i want to be very clear. we own this.
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we own this in minnesota. but there, as people saw it unfold, the concern was yesterday, how many people would make their way here forcibly in that business? i think it's a valid question. for me as i look at it the point is i have to operate in real space and real-time. by last evening, the second day that we side and from during the day until 8:30, we side in st. paul and we continue to ask what was happening. the state patrol was tasked and they did stop a lot of it. that was what was being asked from them. it happened from about 8:30 at night when the sun went down, one what i saw was the person breaching the barrier at the third and then the decision to pull back out. so who has an ask? i have to make sure i get everybody. >> reporter: governor, so it sounds like you were going to allow demonstrations tonight, protests and stuff? these would be in violation of standing orders of congregations and more than ten people.
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>> were not allowing any of those and we've said, i think the idea. the absurdity in the middle of covid-19 where we have worked so dang hard as a state to keep people from congregating. if you think you could. he goes back to the conversation that we've had. this takes a social compact of people agreeing to do this and i want to say, watching what happened to george floyd had people say "to hell with people staying home." the idea that we would break up those expressions of grief and rage was ridiculous. the problem was that having a place and expectation that a crowd that big over such a volatile issue. we have seen it in city after city. ferguson, l.a. we have seen these things. that was a thing then we started planning and asking. but again, you are seeing holes and planning, that's for darn sure. >> reporter: what are the
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rules for the rest of the day and night? >> that's being worked on right now. this is a plan that will be presented to me. i think we want to be prepared to present that to minnesotans here by 2:00 or so. what i can tell you is a lot of it is going to be the operational things that you would expect to happen. they will be there. there will be a presence out on the quarters. we will start to do that. i'm going to ask again. i need to ask minnesotans, those in pain and those who feel like justice has not been served yet, you need to help us create this space so that that justice will be served and it's my expectation that it will be swift and that we are able to maintain that order. that plan will start to happen today and it will include, we will think of all the tools that are there. i want to come back to that again. the more things that you use, the more those are viewed as the oppressive things that lead to much of this in the first place. what we are trying to separate is the lawful first amendment
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agreed citizens who need to express it from the folks who are clearly, i'm telling you what. the farthest thing from people's minds as they are burning down a family-owned store at 3:00 a.m. on lake street was george floyd. that's what we've got to get o out. >> reporter: governor, question to you and for the general. are you concerned that the civilian leadership of minneapolis, the police department. [indistinct] for the general, what are the limits? >> candidly i don't think this is a secret to anybody that the tension between the minneapolis police department and many of their communities is a pretty well-known thing. i'm certainly -- i don't know any way to express it other than that they have lost faith in them and felt that they were part of the problem. certainly seeing a uniformed minneapolis police officers knee on george floyd's neck on monday
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pretty much tells you where the public is thinking towards that. i don't think that you could think it was a mistake of who is leading that down there that i change the tone that was there. i'm concerned. i think it would be disingenuous. i know this is painful. it's hard. there's going to be recriminations. there's going to be going back and looking at this, as there should be. my top priority now is the immediate security to make sure that what happened the last 48 hours does not happen tonight. the state of minnesota has assumed that responsibility. i don't think it's going to be easy. this whole whack-a-mole thing, and these folks are really good at what they were trying to do and causing destruction. that way we are able to stop it is employ these tools with the support of the public to make sure we isolate these folks. as commissioner harrington said, the idea that you think you can firebomb a building and not be arrested and spend serious time in jail, i understand that but the idea that we don't want to make people who are out there
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still asking, what about george floyd? what happened to those people? what happened to the people who did this? that got lost in 48 hours of anarchy. >> reporter: we saw three television journalists get arrested earlier this morning on live television. can you or anyone up there tell me, how many looters and arsonists have been arrested for the past two days in the twin cities? >> i'm going to use this as an opportunity, again, as i said, i'm deeply apologetic that this happened. i understand that the community would believe that this were targeted. as i told jeff zucker, the president of cnn, i don't care at this point what the circumstance was, why they got arrested. it's wrong and unacceptable and we needed to correct it. as far as others. how many? >> charged, arrested. >> st. paul and state patrol and others have made arrests on burglary, arson charges.
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i believe arson charges. burglary for sure. they've been arrested. there's been stops. there's been folks incarcerated. i do not know if they've been charged yet. i think most were done in the last 24 hours. breaking into the grocery stores, breaking into target, breaking into the walgreens, the pharmacies have been just decimated. folks we believe seeking oxycontin and other opioids out of the pharmacy stock. we have been chasing them around as well as chasing the folks that have been setting fires. there have been arrests made. there will be more arrests made. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> i will get you a number. i don't have it. i've asked minneapolis st. paul and my other folks that were part of our unified command to give me information by 10:00 or 11:00 this morning. i've not received it yet. i am hopeful to have a rep from the last 24 hours and we will get it to you as soon as i get it. >> reporter: governor, have to
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ask your reaction to president trump's tweets from last night in relation to minnesota and what he said. >> well, it's not helpful. i did speak to the president last evening. at that point in time, it was in the process of where i said we were going to assume control of it and that it was unnecessary. i didn't know he was going to tweet. it's just not helpful. it's not helpful. the city of minneapolis is doing everything they can. if mistakes are made and there is an accountability, we need to do that but in the moment where we are at, in a moment that so volatile, anything we do to add fuel to the fire is really, really challenging. as i said, i spoke to the president. he pledged his support of anything we need in terms of supplies to get to us. there is a way to do this without inflaming. this is so difficult, as i said again, the tools of restoring order are viewed by so many as the things that have oppressed and started this problem in the
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first place. it would be more helpful at this point in time. if we need support from them, it certainly appropriate that we will ask that this point time i'm confident that the plan we put together to restore this order. >> reporter: what kind of culture change should there be? requirements where officers li live. >> i don't know. commissioner harrington and attorney general ellison, when we came into office, this is one of the things we wanted. i said as a governor, the nightmare scenario of having a police involved shooting, or is any elected official has. >> well, governor, thank you. i think this really is the time to start talking about how we do meaningful, deep dive reform. we took a year to grab in a number of people from diverse
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interests in the community. we have people from the community from the civil rights community, law enforcement. we had law enforcement from across the state. we met for about a year. we had a professional assistance from the group that guided the 21st century policing process that president obama started, and we came up with a number of key recommendations. we will get that report to you. we hope you write about it. this supercharges the need for the effort. there were a few recommendations, a few observations and recommendations. one observation is a lot of the deadly force encounters that have occurred in our state are not concentrated in the twin cities. in fact, a majority of them were in greater minnesota, although many were in the twin cities. half of them were people in a mental health crisis. we talked, so we talked about a number of things. we talked about officer wellness, officers dealing from crisis to crisis to crisis, need
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to be able to check in, get right before they go back and engage the public. we talked about changing and reviewing the standard, the use of four standard. we talked about making the sanctity of life and an essential principle which mayor hodges did when she was the mayor. we made duty to intervene. we are recommending that the essential. if you are a police officer, you see a fellow officer doing something wrong, you cannot just say it's not me. you've got to do something about it. we came up with a number of other principles that i think are really helpful, very useful involving training, reformat the post board, and a number of things. i think that now there's a need to further the efforts. i will say that i think looking at systemic pattern and practice problems in minneapolis police department is an appropriate conversation at this time. i think that we need to really
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do some deep diving and make sure that our law enforcement professionals have really -- really are serving the public, the whole public. i will say that i hope that our state legislature takes up some of the initiatives that we have in there, the academic community will take up some of it. training communities will take up some of it. one of the recommendations was of dual, joint, or dual response when there are chemical or mental health crises going on. so that it's not just officers that don't have the training on how to deal with somebody was in that situation. so that's a priority. i will hand it to commissioner harrington. >> attorney general ellison, many of the points. the one other point i will bring in is this group was very much
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based out of community. we brought in folks from a variety of different, diverse and geographic communities. we brought in folks from the disability community to make sure that all kinds of voices were heard. one of the voices i heard most clearly was the need for community healing and community health. one of the recommendations that we have put forward, we still think it was important before but i've never seen it as acutely as important as it is right now for community healing. the question that we asked and they asked with you, how does the community recover when it's heart has been ripped out? >> reporter: over and over again why aren't the officer or officers in question being held in custody? >> we are working with the county attorney, the charging authority to make sure we are following their guidance as we
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move forward in seeking the criminal prosecution. >> reporter: we've heard that the last few days. >> we are in the middle of an ongoing investigation. i can't speak to much more of that other than the past practice for the bureau of criminal apprehension and most police department's have been in this kind of cases they work with the county attorney to make sure that they have checked all the is and all the ts so everything is in order before they make an arrest and we've been following that protocol with county attorney freeman. we have history with county attorney freeman in terms of past cases, some successful and some not, depending on your perspective. >> reporter: that this case is different. >> we are aware that there is a sentiment that it's different. from the point of view of the
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law, we have a man whose life has been ended. we have the pursuit of trying to find out, what were the facts surrounding it? and to be able to create enough probable cause or enough asis for a criminal charge or for an arrest. that's pretty much cop 101, that's what you have to have and that's what we are working towards. >> reporter: a couple quick covid related questions. the state has spent hundreds of millions helping businesses. are you ready to respond to businesses in minneapolis that been affected by this? >> absolutely. >> reporter: number two, if we've been moving people out of detention because of covid, if there are significant arrests, do we have a place to put folks? >> yeah. we can listen to law enforcement
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on this one. these are great questions. ones that we came up with too. my hope is -- hope is not out plan. you need to execute it. but i think with minnesotans understanding what's at stake here and getting back to the focus of george floyd in our community issues, that tonight needs to be different. when i say that, he needs to be different in the questions that you're asking. i am stepping into the breach and it's a responsibility and the state is responding. we will use what we have, use the tools. i will ask john if he wants to. >> i think this is certainly something, we did not finish our work in the regular session. we are coming back on the 12th probably in working with the legislature. i think there's a great desire to figure out how to do this. the tragedy of this, as i said, it's a community that felt this tragedy, community believes that they were, that this is
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happened. sometimes we say, sometimes i hear people say that the system is broken. communities will say it's working just fine, not for us right now. we look at reinvesting and bringing lake street back. we hope there is insurance for these folks and different things we can do but i think getting our vitality back is one. >> reporter: one thing that i heard earlier -- from the major general. [indistinct] >> we will come back. >> the first question, are they armed? yes, they are currently armed. a little background on that. yesterday afternoon we received what i assessed as a credible threat specifically to the minnesota national guard.
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that credible threat was made available to us by the fbi. i shared that with governor walz along with my recommendation that i felt as though it was a credible threat and as a result that we should arm the minnesota national guard. governor walz concurred with me. authorized me to arm the minnesota national guard. what are the limits of their use of force? we traditionally don't talk about the use of force because it's an operational issue but i will tell you this. our guardsmen maintain the right to self-defense. and i think that's where i'm going to leave it as it relates to the use of force from the minnesota national guard. thank you. >> reporter: jensen and colonel langer. were they referring to the state capitol building? are you concerned? where when will you make a
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decision about a curfew? >> hopefully around 2:00. i will give that so you know. i think that's one of the questions. yes, and we had brought up the capitol building before. these symbolic targets the people talked about, the folks, some of it was online. you saw the thing that came in. that's it one request that i made of the national guard and the mission that i'm asking for specifically on our troops that came in. before the cities needed to ask for what they needed was the preservation of the capitol building. and the capitol grounds. that will still maintain -- that will still be enforced. they are they have been. >> reporter: saying that he believes the agitators are not from minneapolis or st. paul. is there any evidence to that? do we believe most of the people who are burning down buildings? >> i think i'm not going to speculate. i think probably the assumption
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is those folks who come in but as i said earlier, we need to make sure that we own this. the thing that sparked this is a homegrown minnesota thing. the event that sparked it. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> no, i don't know that. i think we can't tell that right now but i think much of how a lot of this happened certainly all of the things that have led to this, this is minnesota. i think we need to find out. i don't take it changes the calculus too much of how did we get to it, how to respond? >> reporter: taking ownership of it. >> i'm taking ownership. we own it. >> reporter: are you satisfied that that leadership -- >> i didn't say mayor frey. >> reporter: about the lack of leadership. speak with the minneapolis police department. i will assume responsibility, if you issue was that the state should have moved faster, that
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is on me, whether it's the forces underneath. i don't think a lack of leadership. i think the lack of coordination and lack of understanding what we needed to ask for. that's in retrospect. i think that same criticism could be said to us. but the way things were lined up, it was their responsibility at that point and now it's our responsibility. we have been in contact with the mayors and i think they are doing everything they can in the situation is unprecedented. i don't think it's a cop-out of saying let's -- that it's unprecedented and that means you can't do anything about it. i think they are responding accordingly and i think we are learning a lot, as i said. these situations were planned for at the rnc in 18 months of planning and hundreds of millions of dollars. this came about after the killing of george floyd on monday night. it started to ramp up when the video came out on tuesday. it accelerated into wednesday and thursday and here we sit. >> reporter: to follow-up on what you said earlier about
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charges and arrests. i think what people don't understand is the difference between types of crimes, meaning mr. floyd was not going to be released on the street and investigation and subsequent charges. why have you seen what you've concluded in your eyes to be a murder, isn't someone arrested pending the completion of an investigation pending charges. you have the authority to arrest and hold pending charges. >> typically in a situation where you've witnessed a crime and you are immediately able to apprehend the suspect, it would be not unusual to have made an arrest, brought that person, and then offered to the county attorney what you are able to cobble together in terms of information to seek a criminal charge. if there was no criminal charge because you do not have sufficient information, then the
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person is released pending further investigation. in this case, because there was a laying time between when the video in the event occurred, when the video came out and one bca was brought in, there ws not that same immediacy. so a criminal investigation was initiated by the bca very quickly. working in coordination with the- county attorney's office to follow the protocols county attorney's office to that county attorney freeman has outlined that he wants us to follow in terms of an officer involved case. we are following the protocols established and we continue to follow those protocols. we continue to meet with the county attorney. we continue to meet with the fbi and the u.s. attorney. as we continue to seek justice and see what can we do and what are we allowed to do in bringing this case to a conclusion.
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>> reporter: a question for general jensen. do the guardsmen have authority to arrest and detain? >> no, we do not have that authority. that's why typically in our missions, will always have a law enforcement officer with us so we have that support immediately available. no, we don't. >> reporter: you've talked about plans. can you stand here now and assure minnesotans that we are not going to see a repeat of the unrest last night tonight or the rest of the weekend? >> i can assure you but the responsibility to assure you does fall upon me and i will do everything in my power to do that. i spent 24 years in the national guard and i'm surrounded by good people. we are pulling assets in. i'm going to need the help of minnesotans, like we do on a lot of this. i'm going to need folks to cooperate. i want to acknowledge again the pain people are feeling, the
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need to get justice. i'm just going to respond to peter's question because it was an excellent question. asking about the charges and things. i'm not an attorney. i listen to them. they are very concerned that the governor has to be very careful about what they say about prejudicing a case. we want to make sure everybody gets justice. but the questions that minnesotans and the outrage here feeling, i feeling them. it's taking all of my will power to maintain that point about being asked. the way that i'm able to get them justice is by making sure that i put things in place, that civil order is maintained, that we make it clear that there is an expectation that justice is moved forward. as attorney general allison said, this is a point in time that we cannot forget and not forget george.
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we cannot forget the aftermath of this, as if we would but we have to get back to the point of what caused this all to happen and start working on that. the anger and the frustration and the wondering why this is, it's a community that year after year, decade after decade and generation after generation hears it. i know there's a lot of folks listening and their answer will be "i'll believe it when i see it. i will believe it when justice is carried out. i will believe it when equity means something. i will believe it when the policy change. i will believe it when my child gets the same education as your child and that that color didn't matter." i get it, we are asking awful lot to be based on faith and that has not panned out. but i do want to same it's a states. we are coming to grips with the good we have. it's always been about trying to strive to be better, trying to do more. i'm not trying to sugarcoat it.
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much like covid-19, i've had to stand in front of you and tell you it's going to get worse before it gets better. it's not going to be an easy journey. the one thing that we have to ensure, that civil order is maintained so the phase changes that we want to see. none of us can live in a society where roving bands go unchecked and do what they want to do, ruin property. that the expectation is where are the police? where are the police? this is the conundrum. where are the police and the first place who got us in the situation monday night and where are the police last night? i heard from numerous people, i am super nervous about the national guard being brought in. it's a flash point. i understand that. i heard from some of those same people at 2:00 with a different tone. where is the national guard? where is the national guard? over these next 24 to 48 hours, work with us to get the situation controlled. i want to talk about those mayors who are up 24/7 in
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minneapolis and st. paul. it's not about calling out someone on lack of leadership. it's about an issue as it developed in all of us figuring out how we get there. it's volatile. it's been building for decades. this flash point came to us i know what are we going to do about it? it happened in the middle of an unprecedented global pandemic. he gives us the chance. we are going to get to pick our paths quickly. how are we going to be seen by the world in the coming days? how are we going to be seen after that? how are we going to respond to one another? and what are we going to do about it? again, if i were everybody in these communities listening, i will say -- i'm going to say "i'll believe it when i see it." the first task at hand is to get civil control back. get justice moving quickly and fairly and start talking about together, how do we rebuild? how do we rebuild trust in the police?
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how do we rebuild those stores? how do we rebuild a society? how do we send that to the world who sees us for so many positive things that we need to recognize this is what they are seeing and we need to take a hard look and figure out how do we change it? i want to thank you all again. i'm going to close because of the importance, as i've said, with the press. deepest apologies to the reporters that were out there. expectations that again, that cannot happen. we will do our best today and i would ask all of you, as the ongoing mission to make sure that we have peace and security today is making sure that that story is told. i'm asking our team to make sure that press credentials, the ability to move you and protect you safely needs to be out there so this is covered. please let us know quickly on that. please make sure that's happening. please show the world everything that's happening here through that lens of professional journalists who ask the
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questions you're asking today. thank you all. >> you been listening to a press conference for minnesota's governor, just for about better than an hour. that was tim walz. let's go to our panel right now does get some action. lawrence jones with us. a lot of raw emotion there. a lot of apologies for some of the things that went on this morning, and many tough questions about what has gone wrong, starting with why there have not been arrests of the police that were involved in the incident that started this whole thing. >> yeah, melissa. friday, we keep hearing "swiftly," we keep hearing the investigation is taking place. got a video. emily is on the panel, i'm sure
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she will discuss this, the legal standard is probable cause. there is enough probable cause. it seems like they are trying to build out a case that takes place during the midst of a trial, to get a conviction behind a reasonable doubt. but that's not the standard for rest. so, that is why people are frustrated. secondly, the inaction and lack of leadership, which the governor confessed to. did they not see this coming? i mean, there's protests not just in minneapolis, but all around the country. we saw the city in flames on wednesday. you would think that the national guard would be activated by then. they didn't call the national guard until last night. as the commander said, they didn't know the makeup of the city to send them out at night. >> melissa: kennedy, you know, a lot of people have been talking about the linkage
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between the video of this horrific and inexcusable murder of george floyd, and then all of the looting and burning that we have seen in the aftermath in the city. it strikes me that, when the first video, when you look at when law enforcement betrays the trust of the people, that is when the rule of law is destroyed. and that's what you see in the other ones. you know, they talk about -- "it doesn't excuse the looting," that sort of thing. but the linkage in my mind is the rule of law makes things safe for everyone. but it is granted to law enforcement as a trust. when that's broken, this is what ensues. what are your thoughts? >> kennedy: that's absolutely right. there has to be better accountability. there has to be a much better explanation of how law enforcement officers are trained, at least locally they are. you are not seeing that. the fact that there was such a breakdown of leadership in that city and in that state, everyone
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saw this coming. you knew that this would be the crescendo. you add on top of all of these unacceptable elements, the fact that we've got people who are out of work, they are desperate, and have way too much time on their hands. so, that sense of injustice and anger is going to be co-opted by people who are just looking for trouble. and that is what the governor and the mayor of minneapolis should have anticipated, and now businesses who have been hurt by the pandemic are lost and probably gone forever. that is tragic, and it also overshadows the tragic death of george floyd. >> melissa: yeah. emily, thank god for video, because then you can just believe your own eyes. but he wasn't resisting, and also, looking at the cnn reporter. that he was cooperative, that he was saying, "where do you want me to go? close to it if you didn't have
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video, you wouldn't know for sure how both sides were acting. your thoughts on that? >> emily: that's exactly right, melissa. i think that's part of the larger argument that the pattern here doesn't necessarily reflect all of those incidences. that the names we know are not isolated, but there is a pattern. there is no video on this other one. if i can focus on a tiny legal thing for a moment, in minnesota, to bring charges of murder or manslaughter against the police officer, you have to prove the use of deadly force was not justified. and not justified, in minnesota, or justified, means it was necessary to protect the officer or another from apparent death or great bodily injury. it is a reasonable person standard, a reasonable police officer, and that goes into calling for a duty to intervene standard. he is calling to change the law so that, in the future, this doesn't happen again. not just holding the officer accountable here, but to prevent it from happening again.
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>> melissa: right. just as horrifying to see the officer in the foreground watching it go on. you are absolutely right. thanks to our panel, thanks to lawrence jones and the rest of the virtual couch. it's unbelievable. now here's harris. >> harris: and we pick it up here with new developments, still violent protests rocking the twin cities over the death of george floyd, and now spreading across america. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. chaos in minneapolis-st. paul as demonstrators again took to the streets for a third straight night. rioters even setting a police precinct on fire, reportedly forcing some officers to be rescued by helicopter off the roof. dozens of businesses also reported to be damaged or looted. a short time ago, you watched it here live. minnesota governor tim walz called floyd's death "intolerable," but said the violent protests are getting in the way of swift justice in the case. watch.
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