brown, whether they vote red or blue or neither, this is a time that people need to come together. >> dana: we are americans. zuby, i was honored to have you on the show. everyone should follow him twitter, facebook. thank you for joining us, i will see you on "the five." bill hemmer over to you. >> bill: let's get it rolling on a monday afternoon. i'm bill hemmer, brand-new week begins now after a long weekend in america, they are and more protests developing across the country. it has been exactly one week today since george flied in police custody, and we are about to get new details from his family as attorney after they had an independent autopsy conducted. we will bring that to this hour. meanwhile crowds of people gathering from san francisco in the west to fort lauderdale in the southeast. in a conference call with governors, staffers and one office telling fox news that president trump called the state

leaders week and encourage them to "dominate the protesters." tensions between protesters and police reaching new heights as we all watch together over the weekend. i want to begin this hour with rudy giuliani, sir, welcome back to the program. we have a few things to go through with you. i guess you have been very critical of some of these political leaders so far. and now there is talk about more reinforcements going to various american cities, there is talk about maybe new york needing a curfew tonight. do you think that is necessary now? >> why would i not be critical, bill? six days of lawlessness with little interruption by the police. essentially the police might as well be cameramen for you, they sit there, they get pounded, they get pelted, 40 secret service agents get seriously injured, 50 or city police officers have been seriously injured, i mean, that is -- i never would have accepted that when i was mayor

of the city. but the protest never would've gone beyond one day. these incompetents have stretch this to six days, because they don't have the fortitude to arrest them. the first person who throws a brick gets arrested. the second person, then the third one, then the fourth one, and it goes away. i rested as many as 700 people tstop a riot on the brooklyn bridge. i took away a city that i two major riots in three years. and i had none in eight years. and i find these to be completely the fault of week incompetent, progressive democrats who have their heads in the clouds. >> bill: you would agree with the president that said that most of you are weak, you have to arrest and dominate, you will look like a bunch of jerks. apparently that was some of what

was relayed earlier today with americans governors. >> i might not have used such mild language. i think if you can't make a decision to defend the police precinct, you should not be a mayor. when that mayor, who really does not know what he is doing at all decided to abandon a police precinct, to retreat and to have the forces of lawlessness take over the police briefing and burn it down, he basically enabled the rioters in minnesota, and he enabled rioters all over the country. these people are connected together. you don't have this many riots saying exactly the same thing and doing exactly the same thing if there is not a certain degree of coordination going on. i'm not saying it's perfect, but it is they are. and when they saw that they could dominate the police, they have them walking right over. >> bill: i hear you say that

late on saturday night during the coverage, and you believe that that was the original sin, when they abandoned that police precinct, they gave the green light in minneapolis and other cities across america. the other thing you said is that the cop was under charged, he should have been charged with first-degree murder, explain that. speak of the tragedy here, bill, is one week ago we all agreed with each other, this was an opportunity for real unity. let's call them the pro-police and the antipolice police officer agreed that he acted criminally. that is an extraordinary opportunity to bring us together, and i think that there are people who did not want to bring us together, and i think that they have driven this thing from beginning to end. and we are getting used, and a lot of people are getting used to. and unfortunately in the city's

cities who have exceedingly weak progressive mayors. they elect people out of prison. think of the absurdity of this to the mayor my city was angry two weeks ago, people should be arrested for not socially distancing, now we have thousands of people in the stret not socially distancing, throwing molotov cocktails, beating up policemen, and they don't get arrested. they are just going to do more of it! they are going to do more of it! they took over one police precinct, i believe they took over three more. what did he think he was going to do, this idiot? was he going to give them a police precinct, and they would say, thank you, mayor. we will do no more violence to your city. i don't know where he came from, certainly not the streets. you give an inch, they take a mile. >> bill: on the first-degree

murder charge you alluded to the other day, for those who are pursuing justice on this, you have a federal case that is open as well. does bill barr clean up the legal aspect that you think is lacking in minnesota? >> the federal case is only a civil rights case, so i think the maximum penalty, i don't remember if it is ten or 20 years, but it is not the same as a murderer. in other words it would be a much lesser sentence. it would be prone to or subjected to, but here's the problem. the problem is the autopsy. if the autopsy says that he died of asphyxiation, then it should be murder 1. if the autopsy says he died of a heart attack, then we have a little bit more of a problem, because they are going to argue that the officer did not kill him, though hard to catc -- heat attack killed him. and you might see it as an

attempted murder case. but if it stays asphyxiation, and i will tell you why it is murder 1, those things from 3, 2, 1 based on attempt. he had that man down there for about 8 minutes. i counted five times he was warned that he might be killing him. that's a lot of morning, that's a lot of intent. every single time he was told he is not breathing, he had a chance to reflect and decide, am i going to continue to have him not breathing, which means that they will die, or willow i stop? four, five times he made the decision to do that. that's a lot of attempt. that's as good as premeditation the day before. i also, i did this job for 17 years, and i think that i did it

with about as much success as anybody ever did it. and you never start weak. you start on the top, maybe you get a plea, you charge him with 3, and you get a plea for manslaughter. >> bill: i have to run, thank you for your time. i am out of time. we may get answers on what you are describing this hour. if that is the case -- >> i hope some confident people take over. >> bill: rudy giuliani, protesters gathering, just around the corner from our studios in midtown, manhattan. rioters again last night, that is union school where, looting stores in downtown manhattan, and arresting 152 people, now to the square, laura ingraham is there with more this afternoon. what's happening? >> new yorkers have not had much of a chance to catch their breath after last night. as you can hear the crowd behind me, we have several hundred protesters going in force right now. on the corner of 40 -- 43rd and

broadway. we have a group that started 30 minutes ago growing very quickly as you see people entering times square. nypd on the scene hoping to avoid the type of violence and looting we saw overnight. it is important to note that most of the protest begin peacefully during the day with those wanting to make their voices heard denouncing the death of george floyd who was killed as you mention one week ago today. we also want to show you the camera over at union square taking a look at where another protest here in the city is set to begin, where there has been major rioting as you have been watching the coverage over the last few days of burning and looting over the last few nights as protesters turn that scene into a different situation. since this began four days ago, 990 people have been arrested, 40 officers injured in over 47 police vehicles have been damaged or destroyed as wide swaths of protester violence

with massive looting and rioting. the soho district lower manhattan was rocked with rioters, looters hitting chanel, gucci, louis vuitton, many stores have windows smashed and graffiti all over buildings. looters treating the stores like it was a free-for-all. and many people still turning to the mayor, bill de blasio asking is a curfew should be put in place, here is what he had to say a short time ago. >> two dates we do not believe that the curfew is the right strategy, but the commissioner and i are going to talk about it as an option today. we will discuss it over the next few hours and also a discussion with governor cuomo about it. we have to look at it as an option, but that being said, we have not made a decision. >> and as we wait for that decision and any word on that, the protest continues to grow, and as we have seen, we will

usually search through the city. we will keep you informed from times square. >> bill: a few steps away from where we are located, protest at the nation's capital were ugly on sunday night. dozens of secret service agents injured. the historic st. john's church set on fire. national monuments analyze. kristin fisher picking up reporting at the white house n now. >> all calm right now, but the white house is bracing for more protests tonight. already more than 60 members of the secret service have been injured. 88 protesters arrested, 44 charged with felony rioting on a call with the governors this morning, president trump warned of a coming clamp down in d.c. and urged of the governors to follow suit. he told them "you have to dominate. if you don't dominate, you are wasting your time," they will run over you and you will look is like a bunch of jerks. you have to dominate" gretchen whitmer who was on the call is calling that call and

describing it as "a deeply disturbing." she put out a statement that reads "instead of offering support or leadership to bring down the temperature at protest, president trump told it to put it down or we would be overridden." but moments ago kayleigh mcenany was asked about that criticism and listen to what she said. >> i don't know why a governor whitmer would be dismayed at the president telling governors to do their job. it is their responsibility to police their streets. they have the police power embedded in the constitution. they have quite clearly many of them failed to do their job. look at the scenes we have seen. it has gotten to the point where today the president says, enough is enough. >> last night the historic st. john's church one block away from the white house was set on fire. monuments were defaced, windows broken, stores looted, atms ripped out. bill barr who was also on the call with governors is now directing the bureau of prisons

to send in riot teams on top of the national guard that was activated last night. the curfew then was 11:00 p.m., but the ecs may or just move that up to 7:00 p.m. both tonight and tomorrow, one more thing, bill, during the briefing, the white house press secretary was asked where is president trump and would he deliver some sort of address perhaps even in the oval office? and she said her response was that the president made many statements and that words don't stop anarchy, but action does. i would not expect to hear from president trump today, but things can always change, bill. >> bill: thank you, kristin fisher, some local leaders slamming outsiders for sparking some of the violent protests, reaction from d.c. detective ted williams and geraldo rivera on that. and new details about the death of george floyd, this video of the family holding vigil just last hour. we will talk to the niece of martin luther king jr. ♪ did you know that feeling sluggish or weighed down

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>> bill: this is breaking news, brand-new here in new york, an attorney for george floyd's family says an independent autopsy shows that floyd died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression. live in minneapolis again today. >> that news can certainly ignite things and make calls for a different charge, one from third degree up to first-degree

murder, we are here at a peaceful protest, a large prayer gathering, members of the floyd family here, calling for common people to keep protesting and calling for people to vote. here is floyd's brother. >> if i am not out here wilin' out or blown up stuff, if i am not out here messing up my community, then what are y'all doing? what are y'all doing! y'all doing nothing! because that's not going to bring my brother back at all. >> a very different seen overnight, more than 150 arrests overnight, mostly for violating the curfew. the level of violence has declined with new more aggressive police tactics, small strike teams are getting to the protesters before they can really get a foothold, a near disaster on sunday afternoon when a large trailer truck rolled onto a bridge with about

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>> if i'm not over here messing up my community, then what are you all doing? what are y'all doing? y'all doing nothing! because that's not going to bring my brother back at all! >> bill: that was an hour ago, that is george floyd's brother that went to the scene of the crime, urging protesters not to bring in violence. i will bring in evita king, director of civil rights for the unborn, thank you for your time today. i heard a quote from you, i'm going to read it, we may have come to america on different ships, but we are all in the same vote now. how do you reflect on what we have been witnessing over the past week, and especially over the past three nights? >> i have been speaking with young people from every ethnic community, you notice i don't save from every race our skin color does not define us, we can see very clearly, that is

supposed to help us appreciate each other, not oppress each other. we know that the caucasian community came over from europe, and in some cases they were shipped over here themselves, or they were escaping their own types of oppression looking for a new opportunity. african-americans were sold by african brothers and sisters into the hands of caucasian mercenaries and brought to the united states. the united states, the native americans who are misplaced and displaced, such atrocities giving them blankets of smallpox and different things to decrease their population paired we are a melting pot. martin luther king jr. said we may have come over on different ships, but we are in the same vote now. you said we will live together as brothers and sisters. he did not say separate races. he said brothers and sisters! >> bill: that's what george floyd's brother was trying to express in minneapolis.

you think of what his message is, and the cause for the family is being lost! in the looting and to the crime that you are seeing every night, alveda. >> that is very disrespectful. they are grieving. they miss their loved one. he was helping build and strengthen the community. and yet, these rioters and looters, peaceful protest is fine. the march, you pray, you make your concerns known, and then you follow that and vote in a moral way that is not going to kill anybody or hurt anybody. you hope you elect people that devalue that life in the sanctity of life and breath. you know that george's breath was stolen from him. god gave him his breath and it was stolen from him. he was murdered. he really was. i think that is terrible. but his brother in the family is still saying, don't riot.

why would you burn down your house when you are supposed to be protesting the death of a man that many do not even know, and his family is saying we want to nonviolence. we don't want the violence. >> bill: the peaceful protest versus the violent demonstrations, we have seen both. and we want more of the former. thank you for coming on today. thank you for your time. in several cities is saying outside agitators are taking part in the protest, talking about that with ted williams and geraldo rivera joining me. also a look at how the protests are derailing some of the reopening plans across the country, but as we go to break, again, the message in minneapolis an hour ago. >> the family has called for a piece! the family has called for peace! we are sending a message to people all over this country to stop looting and to throw up the

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♪ >> some people are going to blame the left. some people will blame the right. it will become politicized, but there is no doubt that they are outside groups that come into disruptive. there is no doubt that there are people who just use this moment to steal. >> bill: that is andrew cuomo, other official saying that the outside groups are fueling the violence. fox news correspondent at large geraldo rivera, and former d.c. detective ted williams. i want to get to the comment today to rudy giuliani made about 30 minutes ago with regard to the autopsy that the family carried out, which is significant news, but just because cuomo is talking about antifa, outside agitators, and professionals in the group, he was not alone. the st. paul mayor refer to it

today. and the washington, d.c., mayor did it earlier today. the minnesota ag did as well. what do we make of the outside elements that fueled the protests and burn american cities down? >> bill, i think that there are three groups, the legitimate heartfelt protesters who are absolutely outraged by the death of this poor man, they make up the majority. then there is a greedy opportunist, the shoppers, the looters who take advantage of the dislocation and the anarchy to go shopping but free. then there is a small group, and i have seen the group. you can tell, they wear the black hoodies and often they are white kids, they have knapsacks filled with rocks and molotov cocktails, you can see them a mile away. i do believe that attorney general barr is correct, there is an organized group whether it is the end he fell, whatever the name is, i don't know. but we need statutes to go after these racketeers, and the

criminals, the anarchists who are organized, and today are to be the catalyst for destruction and her moral and to agitate and encourage others to commit crimes. they throw the brick through the window of tiffany's and all of the greedy opportunist pour in. they know what they are doing. >> bill: the administration looks like they will declare antifa a terrorist group. >> yeah, well, i think that they are going to have a problem legally with that and marking them as a terrorist group, but i have been out in ferguson. i have been in milwaukee. i have been in baltimore and antifa has always been present in those various venues. and once they do, they are in the background. you have protesters out front legitimately protesting, and you have these groups, these outside groups who have their own isms

and beliefs of what they are trying to get out here. and they are pushing the legitimate demonstrators to do what ever the group themselves once done. >> bill: they are just waiting for trouble and moments like this so that they can go to brooklyn, or go to union square, minneapolis. geraldo rivera, looking at live pictures of marilyn, this is a large gathering, did not see this over the weekend, but in broad daylight it is here now. i don't know if you heard rudy giuliani at the beginning of the show, but he is suggesting that the d.a. in minneapolis under charged a desktop to begin with. and then he made the point that if the autopsy shows is fixation, you go with murder 1. well, the family in the last 20 minutes suggested that their own review suggests that this was his fixie a she and, if that is the case, how do you get the d.a. in hennepin county to up the charge if that is the course of action?

>> if indeed this man was associated, if he was choked to death by this cop, that is murder 1. it does not mean that you thought about it an hour ago, you can be premeditated, you can start choking the man, and remember the last 9 minutes coming you can start choking him, by minute two or three, you know what you are doing. the cop knows or should have known what he is doing. he is now pretty meditating the end of the story. he has premeditating the choking to death of this man. premeditation can be almost instant. i believe that it should be a murder one. i think that the d.a. under charged him. if the autopsy is verified. in the county -- de a better look at it. if this was asphyxiation, this is murder 1. >> bill: then you probably have the medical examiner they

are to re-examine this, because rudy giuliani said if it is a heart attack, it is a harder case to prove when you are going for something higher than the third degree manslaughter charge that came out last week. >> bill, from day one i said when you look at that video day one, the charges should have been or provided against that police officer on that day, and when you look at what the law enforcement officer is doing, when you look at where his knee is on this man's neck and you can see when he continues to push down, and i would say just as geraldo rivera said, and i agree 100% that it should be first degree and elevated. but you have mike freeman, the d.a. who seems to be kicking and screaming to bring even third-degree murder charges against this guy, so i am on board. it should be elevated to

murder 1, i think that -- and i know mike baden, he is very confident, and i think that they have to up their game out there in minneapolis. >> and those other cops have to be charged also. accessory at least. >> bill: i mentioned the autopsy, i will take you live to minneapolis, the family is gathered there. the lawyers for his family releasing the results of their independent examination dropping in. >> we see in the video he was walking, breathing, he was alive. his cause of death medically was mechanical asphyxiation. the legal determination is homicide. that is it in a nutshell, the

officers killed him based on a need to his neck for almost 9 minutes, and two knees on his back compressing his lungs. the ambulance was his hearse. >> what charges do you want for the additional three officers? >> in terms of criminal charges, there is no doubt that those police officers are criminally liable also. we will leave it up to attorney general elison to be transparent, fair, and review the totality of the circumstances, but i urge anyone who looks at that video and

reviews the entire evidence that not only were constitutional violations abound here, but this was criminal. they knew that they were employing restraints that could or might cause death. and by having that knowledge and by continuing to mount the pressure on his body, restricting his airway and cutting off blood to his brain, they knew that they would cause death. to be culpable of murder or homicide, you only need to know that what you are doing could lead to death. they were trained, supposedly that those restraints could or might cause death. they need to be charged criminally. they are criminally liable, because they knew that what they were doing could lead to death.

and indeed, we know that it did cause his death. >> thank you, and just to be clear, george floyd's family wants first-degree murder for officer chauvin, and the other officers to be charged to the fullest extent of the law, because george was there blood. imagine someone who is your family and during the last moments of his life on this earth begging for humanity, begging to be treated like a human being. begging to be treated like one of god's children. they want a first-degree murder charge. they want equal justice for african-americans because black lives matter, and george floyd's

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>> bill: back here listening to the press conference in minneapolis, looking at the autopsy that he confirmed on the body of george floyd, making a case for asphyxiation which could mean as we were debating the sum and indigo that these charges could change. we will keep an eye on that and see whether or not that moves forward today. in the meantime from the white house last hour, kayleigh mcenany had this to say. >> violence, looting, anarchy,

lawlessness or not to be tolerated. plain and simple. these criminal acts are not protests, they are not statements, these are crimes that harm innocent american citizens. >> bill: president trump pushing governors to get tough on the riots in the city. mo elleithee, senior spokesman for hillary clinton's 2008 campaign, and marc thiessen, former speechwriter, mo and mark on a monday. >> mmm. >> bill: saying that you have to arrest people, and clearly a big message to the governors today. >> when people say they have to get tough on the protesters, that's not what the president is saying. we have to get tough on the looters and the criminals and the terrorists that are burning down businesses and burning down stores and beating people on the streets. you know, a couple of things. one, my heart breaks for the family, george's family and for

all the families out there especially african-americans who are afraid that the same thing can happen that them. we need -- people have an absolute right to protest that. people do not have a right to loot. there was a tweet by a young woman named gigi robinson and chicago and she is an african-american woman and she tweeted this out "i'm so hurt. i'm very surviving, and not only did you burn my job at walgreens down, but the grocery store andy neighborhood was looted for what? now my mom can't get her prescriptions or food, how's this for us?" we have 40 million americans put out of work because of the coronavirus. and just in the last week or so they started coming back to work and this young woman and lots of african-american people like them have had their jobs destroyed. >> bill: okay, mo i owe you an answer, but i just want to share this with our viewers back in minneapolis. >> "pbs newshour" asks can the doctors determine at this time how long it took mr. floyd to

die? >> yes, i counted as the video, from the time the video started which was a few seconds, after mr. floyd was pushed on the ground and the knee put on the neck. counting about 3 minutes and 50 seconds by the time he is on the ground and by the time he becomes motionless. at a time where -- by the civilians that were watching and photographing yelled out to that he was dying and lifeless and he should be permitted to get up, that he is dying, that he is going to be dead, from the moment 3 minutes and plus seconds he was motionless, he had no evidence of breathing of

struggling and remained that way for another four or 5 minutes with a knee on his neck until the ems people arrived and found he had no poles. he had erratic arrests. they tried cpr, they tried shocks to the heart, nothing worked and he did not recover. in my opinion he was dead after about four or 5 minutes. he was pronounced dead sometime later when he got to the hospital. to the person is alive in this country until a proper physician -- usually a physician pronounces them dead. but he appears to be dead before the key people get there, certainly. >> it is important to note that the two emt -- i'm sorry.

it's important to note too that the two emt members once they got to the scene, they had their device working on an unresponsive pulseless male, they concluded in the ambulance that they performed post checks several times finding none, and delivered one shock by their monitor and to the patient's condition did not change. he remained unresponsive and pulseless, and that's why i said the ambulance that we see arrive on the scene was george floyd's hearse. i'm sorry, the ambulance that we see arrive on the scene was george floyd's hearse.

>> question from andrew tingle from "the wall street journal." to do the medical examiner's results differ in professional opinion from the county examiner? or is that information you do not have yet? >> at this time, we have not had the opportunity to review the actual preliminary report from the medical examiner who performed the autopsy. we have seen accounts from the complaint, and based on that, yes, our findings do differ. some of the information i have read from the complaint states that there is no evidence of traumatic asphyxia, this is a point where we do a disagree that there is mechanical or

traumatic asphyxia. >> thank you, dr. wilson for explaining that. next question. if you can speak louder with the questions. okay. we have 5 minutes left. >> there are no further questions. >> okay. thank you all, we will continue to keep you informed as we continue to move forward to gain justice for george floyd. thank you, god bless. let's remember to take a breath, america. let's take a breath for george.

let's take a breath for peace. let's take a breath for justice. and let's take a breath to heal our country. thank you. >> bill: you can see the case unfold in public view here with the family countering which was initially a conclusion on behalf of the medical examiner of hennepin county, the initial finding had found that floyd likely died of a compilation of police restraint underlying health conditions and intoxicants in his system. the official autopsy report has not been released as of yesterday. the 31st of may, but that family is arguing on behalf of of dr. michael bogden, showing that asphyxiation was the cause of george floyd's death. the reason this is important, the judging mechanism, this

officer's derek chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter, and as you have heard, our guests throughout the show, their argument was clear that if you can show that it was a fixed negation, you can up the charge to murder 1. we will see where that goes in time. mo elleithee is back with us, so is marc thiessen. iou an answer, and you have to get tough, you are weak. you need to take control of what is happening in your cities across the country. go ahead. >> no one likes seeing these lawless sets of violence. and rioting, and they need to be prosecuted 100%, in a moment like this we really do need some national leadership that empathizes with the legitimate protesters that marc was talking

about earlier and gets tough on the people that are demeaning the memory of george floyd by rioting and looting. we are not getting the first part from the president. with using language like "you've got to dominate them," you are upping the anxiety in the streets. it's that mentality that led to george floyd's death in the first place. the mentality of authority is dominating is what led to the system that allowed for a police officer to place his knee on a man's neck for 9 minutes and squeeze the life out of him. so i am all for getting tough on the people -- >> bill: right, but you have three other police officers on scene who could have taken action, no politician had any -- they could have stopped it when they were there. >> 100%, and in fact, i was so

encouraged to hear the police chief of minneapolis yesterday say that they were complicit and the county attorney is going to have to make the decision, but they are just as complicit. but what i am talking about is now, where we right now in the midst of american cities facing this crisis? >> bill: what is your view of that? >> i have watched the presidents speech at cape canaveral where he very much empathized with the protesters and the family of george floyd and provided exactly that kind of message to the protesters and the rest. i don't think you can draw an analogy between the police officer dominating george floyd to death who has an innocent person to taking on antifa and these are rioters who are out

there burning down businesses and putting damage upon the damage that has already been done by the coronavirus to the small business owners who are suffering. we do need to dominate those people because there are a lot of people who will not go out and protest, but because they are afraid of getting hurt. there are a lot of people that would like to express their solidarity with george floyd and family. >> bill: at that what he had to say 30 minutes ago was rather pointing. when you think about the life and the legacy of george floyd and is cause is lost, the initial cause is lost in all of this looting that we have seen. >> 100%. yeah, no, these people that are out there with their own agenda, whether it is just chaos or what have you are taking away from the legacy and the memory of

george floyd. let me tell you something encouraging. because we are not getting a lot of encouraging sites these days. yesterday and the day before, i was online. i was so hardened by images being posted of police officers marching with the protesters, taking a need with the protesters, kneeling in prayer with the protesters, hugging the protesters. one really pointed theme of protesters standing and surrounding to keep safe in a police officer who was isolated from his unit to keep him safe from the rioters. we are a people that want to be unified. we are a people who want to be empathetic towards one another. we don't always get that rhetoric from washington. we don't always get that rhetoric in the media. despite the very real tensions that are out there, we are

seeing evidence -- >> bill: i am very happy you said that. we will see you next monday, gentlemen. your monday to friday, set your dvr for another show tomorrow. david is in today for neil. >> david: and you're looking alive at minneapolis where a prayer vigil is just held for george floyd. vigil attended by his brother, terence, calling for peaceful demonstrations and at the end to violent protests and looting that we witness across the country over the past several days. >> blowing up stuff. i'm not over here messing up my community. then what are y'all doing? what are y'all doing? y'all doing nothing, because that's not going to bring my brother back at all. d