>> piece o on the left. >> justice on the right. >> trace: cries for justice and reform as a nation simmers in anger and fear. for the seventh straight night, mergers take to the streets and massive demonstrations, mostly peaceful by day but often violent under the cover of dark. tonight it appears tensions are growing in our nation's capital as protesters confront police near the white house. the president vows to put a quick end to the riots and the lawlessness. hi, everyone.

i am trace gallagher in los angeles with continuing live coverage of the chaos that could news to sweep our country. it's 10:00 p.m. here on the west coast, 1:00 a.m. in the east. tense moments once again in our nation, grim scenes of violence and destruction triggered by the death of an unarmed black man while in the hands of police. here are some of the days top events. in washington, tear gas and rubber bullets fly as president trump lashes out that at the nation's governors, demanding they get tough with looters and arsonists. additional curfews now now in effect including new york city while national guard troops stand vigil in 20 states. in louisville, kentucky, a black shop owner gets caught in police cross fire. he died. the police chief there is now out of a job. minneapolis' medical examiner reveals the manner of george floyd's death. his loved ones have their own conclusions. and with the national outrage and violence, a poignant moment

monday as george's brother visits the memorial marking the place of the deadly encounter and delivers a plea for peace. >> if i'm not over there blowing up stuff, if i'm not over here messing up my community, then what are y'all doing? what are y'all doing? y'all doing nothing. because that's not going to bring my brother back at all. >> trace: weary and fearful americans asking when will it end? it was a week ago that george floyd died in the hands of police. seven days later our nation remains in turmoil as the protests and violence rage out of control. we begin our coverage in new york city which tonight joins the growing list of american communities under curfew. earlier, we got word the macy's landmark department store, you know the one from the "miracle on 34th street," has fallen

victim to looters. bryan llenas standing by with the latest. bryan, our demonstrators respecting the curfew order now a little after 1:00 in the morning? >> trace, good evening, they are. at first we were seeing large groups of rioters and now it's less. there are skirmishes. two or three people were looking around some of the streets to see what storefront they can still get at if there's anything left. we are at 59th and madison in the middle of midtown manhattan, the heart of manhattan. the last several hours were may have. large groups of looters. they weren't protesters. these were groups of looters and they spoken -- broke into this store, a shoe store. we could see nearly everything is gone. a couple single she's left. this is a type of scene we are seeing all around up and down madison avenue, fifth avenue, right at the heart of new york city. these are shops many tourists and new yorkers come to see.

when you come to new york. we've seen dozens of storefronts that have been destroyed that way. if you walk on this front, we are going to show you madison right now to give you a sense of how quiet things are. the curfew started at 11:00. things were really hot here at 8:00 and at 9:00 at at 10:00. as a matter fact, it was so hot in terms of action, our sources, our fox news producers heard on the scanner that there was one first responder who said "we have lost the city." so many calls coming in at one time. groups moving throughout fifth avenue and medicine from store to store to store and the police were just jumping in their vans and cars and trying to get to one store to the next and then these crews would wait until the police were gone and then come back over again and loot. similar situation in soho.

diluting last night is the reason why there was a curfew put in place by new york governor andrew cuomo for 11. that will be at 8:00 p.m. tomorrow because they realize 11:00 p.m. was too late. this is a mercedes-benz, by the way, it was just kind of in the middle of the road. the doors were open, the trunk was open. looked like it might be a rental. georgia license plates. the windows are open. mercedes-benz that looked damaged in the middle of nowhe nowhere. well, in the middle of madison avenue in new york city, definitely not nowhere. we are seeing is groups of two or three people walking around. some have stolen merchandise. it's a different situation earlier. there were groups of hundreds and they walked by the nypd when they saw the cops. they acted as though they were protesters. they were not. they had goods in their hands or they had something their hands

to break storefront windows. for some of the nypd groups, we saw especially in the 9:00 hour, they were outnumbered. we saw a lot of arrests tonight as well. right now at this hour in manhattan, things seem to be a lot quieter. the cops have gotten control. the nypd has control of at least midtown manhattan. we are hearing a possible things in the bronx and there are some skirmishes still come as looters are still trying to take advantage. it was a scary situation and really remarkable to see that macy's store, the one that we all know. the fact that they still brazenly went inside there and we saw people get arrested and things brought out of the department store. trees. >> trace: a lot of questions about the 11:00 curfew. also the breaking news is we get more out of brooklyn will take it to you. bryan llenas in midtown manhattan, thank you. southern california, the site of

some of the worst looting in america. protests and violence continuing for the seventh straight night, things were a bit more subdued but problems nonetheless. let's get to drive paul, live in los angeles. pass the curfew, how's it looking. >> in the distance if you can see the bus, that's full of people who've just been arrested. that's weird thing all over los angeles. police officers out in full force. they are not messing around tonight. we flipped the camera back around. you can see many are gathered. normally at a time like this it would be full of cars. it's full of police officers who had a moment's notice get a call, like the officer to the right of us who's going to be taken off your just a second. probably got a call and he's going to go respond.

much different here tonight. earlier in the day we had some protesters who were marching in the street and it was rather peaceful. but then you had some smaller groups taking advantage of the moment to break into some stores and police today were definitely responding, that's the thing resting throughout the city. we will see some possibly looting going on and we captured a moment. i don't know if we have the video of it. there was a walgreens where people are looting and taking stuff out of it. a sheriff's deputy showed up, started chasing one of the possible suspects police jump out of the walgreens and at one point, kind of was about to lose him and somebody, to people. looks like they are either plainclothes officers were undercover, they jumped out and tackled the guy and he was eventually arrested. that's the scene where a scene out throughout the city. total pockets, little groups

working on most lichen teams to loot and then move on. the police are out in full force. the chopper overhead. sheriff's deputies out here. a much different scene tonight that a few nights ago. trace. >> trace: it's a little more subdued. jeff paul, life for us in los angeles. thank you. tensions in washington, d.c., are growing after we kind of wild riding. protesters leaving a trail of destruction. president trump even threatening to use military force if necessary, as the nation's capital braces for another night of rioting, many are left fearing what's in store tonight. from on how the protests are playing out, let's bring the chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel, tonight handling different subject. >> good evening. authorities tightening things out. the curfew in washington, d.c., was earlier, moved to 7:00 p.m. eastern after last nights curfew was 11:00 p.m. and people felt like that was too late. not everyone obeyed it but it did seem to cut down the number

of people on the street. there were some tense moments and arrests. helicopters flying overhead to keep tabs on the movement of protester groups. plenty of sirens and some smells of pepper spray. a wide range of federal law enforcement agencies also out on the street tonight, adding a whole lot of muscle to what d.c. police are doing as law enforcement try to make those looking to loot or damage businesses or government property more uncomfortable, keeping them moving, hoping they would head home. no update on the number of arrests tonight. earlier president trump and other top administration officials were locked from the white house through lafayette park. that park was mobbed with protesters and they move them out quickly tonight. the president stopped in front of historic st. john's church to pay his respects after the church suffered some damage in a fire last night, one authority say was intentionally set by this evening president trump delivered remarks on the protests across the country. the president emphasizing he's

activating all available federal resources, civilian and military, to get a handle on the protests. >> but where there is no law, there is no opportunity. where there is no justice, there is no liberty. where there is no safety, there is no future. >> the president warning the nation's governors to get tough on shutting down mayhem or else he will send in the military. certainly a quieter scene tonight in washington the last night. the curfew might've been helpful, along with more federal manpower on the streets. a full assessment of the latest damage and looting won't be known until daylight. trace. >> trace: mike emanuel, thank you. a nation divided like almost never before. looking to the president as the unrest continues. >> we are ending the riots and lawlessness that has spread throughout our country. we will end it now. today i have strongly recommended to every governor to

deploy the national guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets. >> trace: after delivering remarks in the rose garden, please use tear gas to clear the surrounding streets of washington, allowing the president to visit the historic st. john's church, part of which burned last night, and where the president stood in front of boarded up windows to pose for photographs with a bible. let's bring in dr. tyree skinner, a fellow at the heritage foundation and the hoover institution former senior advisor to the secretary of state as well as the former 2016 trump campaign foreign policy advisor. dr. skinner, you've written a lot about it. these types of tragedies, these crises are about the tone and tenor. in your assessment, dr. skinner, is the president striking the right tone in this event?

>> i think he is progressively trying to come to terms with what's really going on here and we heard him today focus on law and order because that in fact is the immediate concern. what we are seeing on the streets, trace, is really not an issue of law and order. that is the symptom. the real problem has to do with race and rights and justice in america. that's where the president needs to head, going forward, every conversation. he can talk about what he's seeing immediately on the ground and indeed it is deadly and dangerous and injurious to the future of our country. but what's underneath that is what i think the president has to address and in fact i would go so far as to say that he needs to become the race president, the one that finally addresses the problem of blacks in america. >> trace: i guess the question would be, what is the problem? what are protesters looking for? if congress were to pass a bill

tomorrow morning, a racial healing bill of some sort, what with the remedy be? what would president trump do if you were to become the race president? are there solutions you have in mind that would solve this? >> i think you've asked a couple important questions and if you give me a moment to try to impact what you're saying. i don't think what we're seeing on the ground is really about race and rights and justice, as i've just mentioned. it's about using the enduring problem, the historic problem of african-americans in this country for other purposes. by people who probably don't care, who have other agendas, who don't want to advance democracy, who don't want to bring everyone to full power. i think that's what the president is addressing. he hasn't articulated it that way but i think if he does, it's a powerful moment for the country that antifa and many of

the rioters are not people who are committed to what actually george floyd's family talked about today and yesterday. let's approach this in a peaceful, nonviolent manner. there is a major race problem and that's what i'm trying to say. and we can't address it this way. we absolutely. i'm sorry to intervene here. we can't address the race problem with those who would seek to take our attention away from the fundamental problems of our country. the president is talking about law and order but it's really not about race with law and order. it's about those who would come on the backs of african-americans, attempt to destroy our country for purposeo with racial justice. >> trace: i want to play this because president trump kind of praised the minnesota governor, the democratic governor tim walz for knocking out looters and then he said the other governors in the country are weak. i want to get your reaction.

>> we have to dominate. if you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. they're going to run over you. you're going to look like a bunch of jerks. you have to dominate. you have to arrest people and you have to try people and they have to go to jail. >> trace: your thoughts on the president's dominate quote. >> i think he's right but again, it doesn't sound like what he's actually talking about because i think he needs to amend it with a really clear and precise conversation that it's not about those who are out there seeking justice for george floyd and what happened to him and those who have suffered in similar ways in the black race in the past, dealing with police and others. i think when he makes those statements, be very firm about who he's pointing to. that i think will make all the difference. we have had to regain the

narrative i think. the white house and republicans and conservatives like me on the issue of race in america and the issues around black americans in the very clear that there is a fundamental institutional and societal problem and we can be part of the solution. the president has tried in the past three years, on the issues of unemployment. the numbers are clear. there've been some objective measures of improvement in the lives of people of color. but we've got to become the party and the white house that's going to solve these institutional and societal problems. i don't think we get quite there with some of the rhetoric that's coming out of the white house on and on all sides right now. the more precision. >> trace: dr. kiron skinner, thank you for joining us. we appreciated. peaceful protests springing up

in louisville, kentucky, just hours after deadly night of demonstrations, national guard and police breaking up a large crowd. officers fatally shot a 53-year-old black man. he was the honor of a barbecue shack. the restaurant next door to where the crowd was gathering. protesters morning his loss by gathering outside his restaura restaurant. the police chief fired after learning officers were not wearing body cameras. the officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. we showed you pictures of portland earlier. those are not really violent protests. we don't see many looters out there. there are a lot of peaceful protesters in portland. we saw the same thing in seattle. up next, how is this being handled on the streets from a police perspective from a former police officer can tell you from both sides of law enforcement what it's like down in the

trenches and what these people across the country are involved with next. you doing okay?

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enough. we heard no reports of any looting or violence in the portland area but a number of protesters out again, consecutive nights the protesters have been in and around downtown portland. as we get more that story will bring it to you. george floyd's death triggering protests from coast-to-coast, some ushering and violent demonstrations, leaving cities in shambles. this past weekend of chaos amounting to nearly 4100 arrests. the protests are not simmering down everywhere. many states activating the national guard to curb violence. president trump even threatening to use military force to protect the white house. city after city is implementing curfews and increasing the police presence to brace for another rowdy night of looting and vandalism. with us with more on what it's like for officers on the ground is ted williams, former d.c. police detective, defense attorney and fox news contributor. always good to see you. great insight as always. i'm curious to get your view on

the response tonight. do you feel it was better? seven nights writing here, ted, do you look across the country and see the response was betterd about the lack of response? >> well, for the most part, trace, it's good first of all, to see you. for the most part, i thought that they've had everything under control and most of these metropolitan cities. the one city that did concern me was new york. they had an 11:00 curfew in place and there was still a lot of looting there and there were quite a few arrests. when you look at washington, d.c., they had a 7:00 curfew in place and they were able to move along pretty well. the demonstrators out of the area. earlier tonight we saw kevin corke from fox news art on the street and he was able to

show that most of the streets were clear. the curfew itself works but a curfew only works if you're willing and ready to enforce it. if you're not going to enforce it, you shouldn't put a curfew in place. >> trace: speaking of curfews, in los angeles county the curfew was at 6:00 and then they moved it to 5:00 and it seemed to work fairly well. there was still looting in the van nuys area but not nearly as widespread as it has been in the past couple days. i'm curious, i want to play this sound bite of the los angeles police officer dealing with protesters and get your take on it. watch it. >> will you give me your verbal acknowledgment that this is a peaceful rally? >> [cheering] [chanting]

>> trace: the theme is police working with protesters instead of of standing against them. effective in your view? >> absolutely effective. trace, the demonstrators themselves, they don't want to see law enforcement as their enemy. what you have here and what you just saw was a law enforcement officer moving into a crowd, establishing a rapport with that crowd, and able to get them to respect him and he was able to respect that they believe they are due. the problem we have, trace, is not the good folk who have a right to protest. it's those groups that was agitators that take over. we have seen that on numerous occasions. we have seen antifa on the left

and the boogaloo boys on the right. >> trace: we have some breaking news. i want to go to bryan llenas. ted williams was talking about the curfew being too late. let's bring bryan llenas back in. >> here. hey, trace. where in herald square. there arresting some looters. the call went out and that's what's happening all over new york city. pockets of two or three or four. herald square, tons of shopping here in midtown. they got the call that there was looting happening. that there was looting here before or at least in and around here. they ran here. that's the situation in new york right now. they are making the rounds and there are skirmishes in pockets happening all around.

>> trace: we will get back to you, bryan llenas. breaking news live for us in manhattan, talking about a rests of the looters. a lot of controversy going back to ted williams, because new york city is now, tomorrow night the curfew is 8:00. they learned a valuable lesson. 11:00 tonight, a lot of people said going at 11:00 is too late. they are trying to get the city going, i get it. the city has been on lockdown for over two and half months. trying to get some of these businesses back going in there leaving it open until 11:00 but in this case, it tended to backfire a bit on them. ted williams. >> absolutely. the darkness is not controlled by law enforcement. it is normally controlled by rioters, looters, and even protesters. so you shouldn't put in place a curfew at 11:00. if you really want to have a successful curfew, you put it in during the daytime, late in the

afternoon now. that would be sort of like around 7:00 or 8:00 at night. you may have a more successful curfew. as you can see here in new york, as we see on the screen right here, you have got quite a few contingent of law enforcement officers out there and that also helps to control the crowds, trace. >> trace: it's interesting. on the other coast, you have the l.a. police chief saying that he's not sure that members of black lives matter and other activist groups are ready to sit down right away and talk about what they want, what desires they want. are you surprised by that or do you think maybe it's too early for some of these groups to sit down with law enforcement officers and politicians and discuss what needs to be done going forward? >> it's never too early, trace. i think what you have to do is that the politicians have to try to get to the leaders of these

various organizations and establish a rapport. just as we earlier saw this police officer out there and this monumental crowd and he just about had them eating out of his hand. that's what you want to do. you've got to go establish a rapport. or you don't wait until the last moment. you can just look at out in minneapolis the other night, all we needed was interest out there that arrest should have taken place on day one and perhaps we wouldn't have all of this rioting around the country right now. >> trace: i'm curious, ted. do you feel like across the country when you see the police interacting with some of the protesters on some of the looters, do you think they are backing off a little bit, maybe a little bit hesitant to kind of wondering if their mayors and police chiefs will fully back them up in these situations which tend to be very volatile? >> you know, trace, you just have talked about the $64,000

question for law enforcement officers are deeply concerned as to whether the mayors, the chiefs of police are actually, actually have their backs. a law enforcement officer, they have to make split-second decisions. they can't afford to hesitate. a hesitation on the part of a law enforcement officer may very well mean his or her life. so they have to act accordingly and expeditiously in order to survive out here on the street. because there are people out here who wants to harm them. >> trace: i have to ask quickly, ted williams, are you surprised as you've seen over the past seven days more and more people are coming out and condemning the violence? but for the first three or four days, you surprised at the hesitancy that some had to go out and condemn the looting and the vandalism in the violence? >> you know, i'm not really overly surprised.

i thought that people would come out earlier, trace. let me tell you why. because this has nothing to do with george floyd and his death in minnesota there. when you are robbing and you're stealing in your looting, you're hurting your own community. when you're burning down police cars, you're hurting the community. somebody has to pay for those police cars to be repaired. and it's the members of that community. so i wish that they would have come out sooner when the looting started. we saw people in stores stealing clothes, televisions. we saw people in liquor stores breaking in, bringing out barrels and gallons of liquor. so none of that again, had anything to do with mr. floyd's death. that is the unfortunate thing. so yes, i am happy that people

get it and they are willing to help law enforcement to bring some of these people to justice. >> trace: ted williams, always good to talk to you, sir. thank you. >> my pleasure, sir. >> trace: we are going to take you back to in essence ground zero where george floyd died, minneapolis, the side of the initial protests. mike tobin is live there. also there was another autopsy in the george floyd death, this time it says that he did die from strangulation. the first autopsy did not say that. we'll get to the bottom of it coming up. a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us.

>> trace: minneapolis gearing up for another long night. thousands gathering outside the minnesota governor's mansion earlier tonight where protesters were making a peaceful demonstration. the police hoping the calm remains as protesters move out of the state capital. minnesota governor tim walz has demobilized the national guard and extended the state curfew until wednesday. let's get to mike tobin. he is alive for us in minneapolis with more. mike. >> trace, minneapolis is largely calm, as well as st. paul. we did keep an eye on that demonstration that you just mentioned when it started from the governor's mansion and worked the capital. there is a fence around the

capital so they can get all the way in. there is the presence of national guardsmen. it wasn't really hostile or confrontational. the guardsmen came out and prayed with the people at the capitol. the curfew went into effect. a number of people elected to stay the capital after the curfew went into effect, ultimately police started arresting them. they made some 48 arrest at that location. they picked up this rather strange van calling itself a medical van. things like milk, that is supposed to calm down your skin in the event of pepper spray. they have helmets out of baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. 48 arrests and some rather strange confiscations from police at that particular location. with an otherwise peaceful march on the capital. the other location that we are looking at is the very site where george floyd died at the intersection of chicago and 38th. a number of people have been protesting there really every day since this happened and they have been hanging out in that

intersection tonight. the curfew time came and went. police surrounded the area but they never went in and swept everybody up, at least not at last report. we had a cameraman in the area and had to pull them out because it gets a little sketchy in that particular area. police strongly just surrounded them, watch the people. most left. i guess we will see in the morning if they affected any arrests in that area. this is the fourth night with a curfew, third night it was enforced and you have a very calm minneapolis. trace. >> trace: i'm wondering because you have been there for so many nights, what are the attributing factors? he pointed the curfew and the enforcement. is that why these things have calmed down was a kind of a combination of the curfew, enforcement and may be a lower number of protesters and looters? >> you know, i think it's a number of different factors. the fact that so much steam was left off here in rather grand

and horrible fashion when you saw what transpired the first night. the fact that they did prove that they've got the manpower to go ahead and lock down this town is playing a role. and don't mistake the statements made by family members today in which they encouraged people to stop rioting. that can certainly have an impact. you've got a number of different factors. the fact that it's been going on for a while. the emotion is very new at some other parts of the country. here it's been happening for seven days and it's quite possible, i can't promise this, but it's quite possible things are winding down here. >> trace: great work as always, mike tobin live in minneapolis. thank you. an autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by george floyd's family finding his death was homicide and that he died by as fixed end. the family's lawyer calling for upgraded charges. jackie is life for us. >> the attorney for george floyd

calling for charges against former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin to be upgraded to first-degree murder. two doctors did an independent autopsy of the 46-year-old. both results say that death is a homicide, they differ over the exact cause of his death. the independent autopsy finds floyd's death was a homicide by mechanical asphyxiation. one of the doctors commissioned to do the independent autopsy was on hannity just a couple hours ago. >> finding that he did not have any other reason to cause death. his heart and lungs and of the things were not sufficiently impaired that would've caused death. and the video of the pressure on the neck and on the back is what establishes that he couldn't breathe and goes along with his statements that he couldn't breathe.

and he died because he didn't get enough oxygen to his brain. >> this is the video of that arrest where you can see officer speed kneeling on floyd's neck and not letting up. it's hard to see. reports say this went on for about 9 minutes. officers standing there and floyd says he can't breathe. the independent autopsy said the officers contributed to his death. the autopsy done by the hennepin county medical examiner said he died from being restrained but found nothing of a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation. saying that floyd had some underlying health issues in addition to potential intoxicants. something that the floyd family lawyer says has nothing to do with his death at all. >> he wouldn't have died. there's always going to be an attempt to try to assassinate the character of an individual who you have killed

unjustifiably unnecessarily and senselessly. >> tonight, 44-year-old chauvin is behind bars. three other officers involved in the arrest have not been charged but they have been fired. >> trace: a push to move it up to first-degree murder charges. jackie, thank you. amid the violence and destruction spot by george floyd senseless death, we are also seeing acts of kindness across our nation. ordinary citizens coming to the aid of their fellow americans in this time of uncertainty. one such good samaritan is floyd mayweather, the former boxing champ has offered to pay for floyd's funeral and memorial services. the family has accepted the offer. mayweather lives in las vegas and has not met the floyd family but he has been in touch with the relatives. george floyd will be laid to rest one week from tomorrow in his hometown of houston. we talked early and showed you a couple times about the scene in

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>> trace: breaking tonight: new york governor andrew cuomo instituting an 8:00 p.m. curfew tomorrow night. 11:00 tonight. the question is, will it help or hinder a very tough situation? we look at these frightening images. you see them on television. police clearly in the middle of the firestorm. we are talking about arson, looting. police have to be repaired to respond appropriately for whatever situation comes their way, and with their every move under the microscope, they have to be careful to act fairly unlawfully in the midst of the

chaos. let's bring in the founder and ceo of global security group, also a former dea agent. david, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your time. i'm curious what you think about the 11:00 curfew. too late? does it put more pressure on police officers the lead of the is? >> the curfew is gonna have zero effect because unless you're enforcing the curfew. the penalty has to be something that's actually meaningful. rioters outside a police station in philadelphia after curfew saying okay, what are you going to do about it? if you're not willing to make arrests and be subject to a stringent or very severe penalty and if the courts aren't going to hold these people and give them a sense that it's commensurate with what they're

doing. it's an exercise in futility. >> trace: you make a good point because here in los angeles we had pictures of people who were arrested mainly for curfew, other stuff and they are putting plastic ties and put on buses and taken away. but we know the process. they are taken away at either given a citation or not. they can't be taken to jail because of the time of covid know is really being taken to jail and a lot of them are going to be coming back tomorrow night. there's really no mechanism to enforce the curfew or for the sake of argument, the looting in general, wright, david? >> look. let's take a look at some of the more severe actions these individuals are involved in. arson. as left-wing as new york state is, you can shoot the person attempting to perpetrate and arson. it's not only that, according to article 35, not only can use

deadly force to prevent an arson or stop in arson or crying but if the person intending to commit an active arson is attending to flee, you can use whatever force is necessary up to and including deadly force to stop this person from escaping. did you see any of the police officers firing on people, the so-called protesters throwing molotov cocktails? no. no. there is zero understanding and application of the use of force. >> trace: but that's the question. is it out of a sense of, maybe now is not the time. looking at here is the problem and we are just coming off these accusations of police brutality. maybe now is not the time for police to go above and beyond to stop, even if these protesters are doing violent things like throwing molotov cocktails. maybe now is not the time to fire even rubber bullets at them. is that maybe some of the mind-set we are seeing here,

david? >> whether it is the mind-set were not, at some point, and god forbid it happens, you have some innocent person, a child or family killed in a fire set by an arsonist. or you can have a fire fire responding to a blaze killed like that. the whole idea. this is a horrific act and it was where the officer killed the person in their custody. i don't think it was intentional murder but it was aid proved indifference to the life of george floyd. that's a separate issue. the issue here is people setting fires and endangering the lives of civilians and they have to be stopped, period. >> trace: i'm curious what you think about going back a few nights to minneapolis when the looters in the vandals set fire to the third precinct and the police officers evacuated. it was almost a sign, some felt,

they were same for the time being, we are going to ignore the laws and you can do whatever you want to do. when they gave up the base, the third precinct, there was kind of a bad feeling that this was a time where laws were just going to be thrown out the window. >> it's a great point. in this particular instance, you have not only is arson one of the most serious crimes we have but they are allowing the police station to be basically the sacrificial lamb. okay, we understand you're upset. we will let you burn us down. what kind of message does that send? a so-called protesters on the street in their looting. they are pulling people out of cars in new york city, robbing them, and beating them. robbery is another act that may

be met with deadly force. it's not stopping. in these progressive cities, they refused to stop this activity and will continue until someone puts their foot down. >> trace: it's interesting. david, good insight. thank you for joining us. we appreciated. we are talking about night seven, night seven we have seen looting, vandals, violence. worst tonight in new york city and it's been in the past couple nights, maybe about the same. we'll talk more about the 11:00 curfew. we will talk more about what cities are doing across the country. the death of george floyd, the crisis facing america, continuing coverage next. bottom line is,

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♪ >> trace: more anger on the streets of america for the seventh straight night. marchers from coast-to-coast take to the streets in massive demonstrations, mostly peaceful by day but at dusk the story changes in dramatic fashion. intentions are rapidly increasing in the nation's capital as protesters come from police near the white house and the president vows to put a quick end to the lawlessness. >> my administration is fully committed that for georgia and his family, justice will be served. he will not have died in vain, but we cannot allow the righteous cries and peaceful