♪ >> trace: more anger on the streets of america for the seventh straight night. marchers from coast-to-coast take to the streets in massive demonstrations, mostly peaceful by day but at dusk the story changes in dramatic fashion. intentions are rapidly increasing in the nation's capital as protesters come from police near the white house and the president vows to put a quick end to the lawlessness. >> my administration is fully committed that for georgia and his family, justice will be served. he will not have died in vain, but we cannot allow the righteous cries and peaceful

protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob. >> trace: high, everyone, continuing live coverage of the chaos sweeping the country and it's 11:00 p.m. on the west coae west coast and cities across the u.s., grim scenes of violence and destruction triggered by the death of an unarmed black man in the hands of the police. and covering this hour, and washington, tear gas and rubber bullets flies as president trump lashes out at the nation's governors demanding they get tough with looters and arsonist. additional curfews now in effect including new york city while national guard troops stand vigil in 20 states. their presence, however does not seem to be detouring looters. in louisville, kentucky, black shopkeeper is killed when he gets caught in police cross fire. the police chief there is now out of a job. minneapolis medical examiner

reveals the manner of george floyd's death. his loved ones have their own conclusion and will tell you about the findings of two separate autopsy reports. and amidst the national outrage and violence a magnet moment monday george floyd visits the memorial marking place of the deadly encounter and delivers a plea for peace, but tired and fearful americans are asking when and how will we move forward from what is clearly a very divisive moment in our nations history. and we began our coverage in new york city which tonight joins the growing list of american communities under curfew. earlier we got word the macy's department store fallen in the hands of looters. and standing by life in midtown with the latest, bryan llenas. need to trace, the iconic macy's in midtown manhattan hit by looters and heroes they they brought out three people from the famous department store that

were inside. the cops went in there and had a look through the department store and found a made arrest but looting across the country is startling the looting we've seen in the middle of america's biggest cities with the best police department. it was something else tonight between the hours of 810 i would even say 11:00 and some parts really bad. over here, we will zoom in duane reade and the pharmacy was hit on the other end. it was completely demolished in terms of the windows. if we move this way, this is an urban outfitters, near penn station and a lot of tourists come here. there urban outfitters here was hit hard. we saw police officers actually take some clothes on the streets to throw them back in. if we can get a look inside real quick, the destruction they have had in here. this is the scene we have been

seeing midtown manhattan, this was groups of rioters and looters that started here after the peaceful protest and started making their way in and around midtown manhattan. you listen to the police scanner and frankly it is a situation where it was nonstop from one skirmish to the next. the police department was going all over the place and the looters going from one block to the next. at this hour we know downtown lower manhattan we are getting some damage here of looting continuing there and also in the bronx, a really bad situation, the bronx of course coming out of out of there especially on twitter of nypd officer that was beat. so that is the situation we have there. the officers, we have seen a couple for sure of officers being attacked. that video is particularly startling in the bronx. the mayor admitting there is a

serious situation in the bronx, minority businesses completely ransacked, completely ransacked as well. sibert is a a serious situation here. and frankly, you know, the mayor at about 9:30 tonight said starting tomorrow the curfew which started new york city 11:00 p.m. tonight will be at 8:00 p.m. now so that is starting tomorrow. there is a lot of questions obviously whether or not that should have been 8:00 p.m. a long time ago or make a difference. there have been lots of vehicles with out-of-town license plates. we have seen texas, georgia and people take the merchandise and put in these vehicles and go. we have also seen people in new jersey and pennsylvania. in other words a lot of people, they said this is not their city but they have come here taking videos, looting, stealing and wrecking a city, quite frankly has gone through enough the last three months as you at the

center of the coronavirus pandemic, trace. >> trace: it as indeed as we find out more in the bronx, some breaking news, and southern california some of the worse looting in america with protest him violation -- in a little bit more subdued but problems nonetheless. let's bring and paul live in los angeles, way past curfew. we have a helicopter above you but what is the scene behind you? >> trace, it is an site and some of you in the greater los angeles area for a long time probably have never seen this but this is hollywood boulevard here this is the walk of fame with all the stars. just above the stores, a site you don't see very often. national guard members out here protecting this road. as we take a walk out a little bit further, you can see a humvee parked out in the street blocking this road. no one is allowed down it. and you looked and what would normally be all hours of the

day, granted, packed with people or cars or anything going on. it is empty, deserted appear that really kind of paints the picture of how things are going tonight in los angeles. it has been somewhat quiet, but very busy for the police officers who were running around town trying to track down any sort of looting or curfew violation. that has really been the story. earlier in the day, actually we were near a pharmacy and we saw some people presumably coming inside the pharmacy. in someone pulled up with the sheriff's office, l.a. sheriff's office and it looks like undercover officers jumped out of a jeep and tackling the suspect. that has really been what is happening here. you will have a situation no reports of looting or something going on in several officers will dart down the road.

at one point, we rolled up to a scene where as many as 100 people had been arrested for curfew violations, looting or other suspected crime. so it seems tonight compared to a few nights ago, things are much different. unfortunately, we have not seen a lot of movement, the protests that people are trying to put the focus on you know ending systemic racism and honoring the life of george floyd. but hopefully in the next few days when things get back to normal, we will see those gatherings again. but tonight in los angeles los angeles, hollywood, west hollywood, a lot of police officers out doing their job, trace. >> trace: it is interesting because we played that video of two what appeared to be undercover police officers tackling the guy by the jeep and bringing him under arrest. i want to see on your right shoulder that video again i was talking about, that right

shoulder, there appears to be i guess graffiti on the building across the way. the area that you are in right now was it heavily looted tonight at all? why are the national guardsmen standing there? >> i think the concern and you can probably tell from and i will point across the street, but that is ripley. boarded up. you look further down, mcdonald's and 88 are right there all boarded up. so i think part of it is they want four or a five lane road and it gives a chance for looters or anybody to get away quickly. and i also think there is concern this could become a hot spot. this certainly isn't the only spot where they are blocking traffic on the border of hollywood and west hollywood earlier when we were out driving around. it was kind of a similar scene where sheriff's deputies or police blocking off a couple of

different walks. so if they do get involved in a chase, they can route them over to here or if they need to bring in a van to move people on to be arrested, that is what they do. it appears that this is a footlocker that they are standing in front of. i don't know, i was in out year the night before, but certainly it looks like wood up in front of the windows there, the doors there. so either it was or they are worried that it will certainly happen. this is the other thing, the police officers are coming in, moving back and they can kind of regroup or figure out what the next move is and they sort of get there order and move out. we have seen redondo beach, hawthorne, php out here so team

effort with the law enforcement community. >> trace: ic that might be sitting because believe it or not amidst another crisis in america. jeff paul, great coverage and breaking news. 20 states under the protection of the national guard. their job is to back up the local cops and protect businesses from looters and vandals while enforcing curfew orders but we have seen many mobs of violent protesters are not always deterred by the troops. president trump to threat military force if necessary to quell the mayhem. watch. >> i am your president of law and order and ally of all peaceful protesters, but in recent days, your nation has been gripped by professional anarchists, violent mobs, arsonists, scooters, criminals, rioters, antifa and others. >> trace: the former

congressman and chairman of the over house site and judiciary committee, mr., the reaction across the country. we just talked to jeff paul and he had guardsmen right next to him be the president wants to bring more of them. your thoughts on bringing in the national guard. is it enough? is it appropriate? >> it is appropriate to federalize or activate national guard when the police are overwhelmed. los angeles as you showed a few moments ago is an example. last night, la mesa in the suburb of san diego where two banks burned and massive looting. tonight, we are under curfews and many of the suburbs and the 50th congressional district and southeastern san diego. the fact is that exactly is the president had said, there are professionals that work and are essentially turning what would otherwise be a protest over a

wrongful killing of an innocent man, one that the president has acknowledged. they are turning it into a type of theft and riots and looting that can't be tolerated appear the citizens of each of these cities is suffering because the police on a selective basis including the nation's capital d.c. are overwhelmed. >> trace: i went to play sound bite bite, this is chris coons bringing in the national guard. played this and i will get your opinion on the other side. >> what is your reaction? >> look, there is a lot of proposals made by the colleagues that i think further divide us to create greater tension. >> trace: so bringing in more military, he is saying even more divisive, your thoughts. >> i think he said more than that and i agree with him. i served with him. but the fact is we need to work

together as a cohesive unit. republicans, democrats, the house and the senate. so that the bad guys know they can't put a wedge between us and the good people, including those that are trying to simply make a public statement or protest peacefully know that in fact the republicans have their back and by the way, so law enforcement knows that both the president and the congress has their back. we haven't had enough of that. i think that is a little of what he is getting too. i don't think any one solution should be offered by just the president or just the congress. it's got to be together. >> trace: you talk about the looting, congressman but do you think the looting and the vandalism and the violence benefits one side or the other politically? >> you know, if it benefits one side or the other, it is one of the great crying shame's because

it's hurting america. we will go into two national conventions faced with some problems not of our creating but this is going to swamp a great deal of what should be the legitimate debate on bringing our economy back and dealing with this pandemic going into the fall. so will it be divisive? yes. will each side tried to take advantage of it? i have no doubt. but what i would say, this is a time for leaders in both parties to come together and to do a little of what i saw the senator perdue, which is, don't announce per se anything. recognize that the national guard are playing a very important role. they must be our backup if the police are swamped and law-abiding citizens need to be protected at. >> trace: i wonder if you so california governor and i know you were talking about la mesa having luda down in la mesa which is a suburb of san diego.

i'm curious if you so governor gavin newsom's news conference today where he was talking about the looters and some experts, some thought he was a little bit too forgiving for the looters. your thoughts on that. >> i think he wouldn't say the word antifa. he wouldn't talk about the bad actors that got into what would out there otherwise be protesters and make a clear difference the governor owes us which is the right to protest, yes, of course. the right to loot come of course not and particularly when these are organized, if you will, who did them asked people that are a little different than the rest f us hooded and mask these days. no question at all he should have called it for what it is. it is one of the things when i think the president talked about specifically no anarchist, know people who have done damage in looting. the governor should do it, to be honest in la mesa they asked for national guardsmen in that region we were told they were too busy in l.a. meaning if he

is beyond his capability, he should admit it and tell the president needs to activate more troops. >> trace: i want to take you back and i don't have much time, congressman, tomorrow, the police brutality bill, a draft, what would include, what piece of legislation would be important during this time that a bill like that would have to include? >> i think the most important thing is to get past the individual wrongdoing. what he did, certainly arrested and appears to be a straightforward crime, but when you look at turning the other way, not prosecuting my letting this policeman apparently do these kinds of things with excess force for many years. those who stood by and did not protect george floyd as he was, in fact, dying. so while we are looking for

something, i would look for a federal act for law enforcement, reckless disregard for somebody safety. to get the secondary involvement because we can only charge the bad actor who does something once, but we can certainly go and make sure the people understand that if you are in law enforcement, you have a much greater obligation to stand by and protect rather than standby when somebody is using excess force. and i think for the civil rights division department of justice. i know many of those people there, that is what they would like to see. they would like to see this pattern of benign neglect that leads to eventually somebody being hurt or killed. they want to see that changed. that is where i would look for additional law. >> trace: i think that is a fair assessment, darrell issa, thank you, we appreciate we appreciated. >> have a good morning.

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♪ >> trace: george floyd's death is during bipartisan act to combat police brutality. and proposing the ending qualified immunity act, a bill to allow civil lawsuits against police officers. democrat u.s. jerry nadler said he will convene a hearing in the judiciary committee in june promising to consider new federal actions to stop racial violence. let's bring in joseph a law enforcement, and author of police brutality matter and former police officer. thank you for joining us, sir. we appreciate this. there was always as noted earlier congressman darrell issa, a number of laws on the books dealing with police

brutality. what do you think the next step would be, sir? >> i think the next step would be to have legislation that would actually be accountable legislation. and what i mean by that, you can't put the cups on. myself, was part of -- i looked at exactly how do you protect someone like me and continue to support and allow it to do effective police work without being affected by a bill? in a bill that someone like darren, who has violated a policy or procedure but you notice something that is very common with these officers and these politicians, mayor rice, and toledo who took out eric gardner, every chief has came

out and said this is not training, this is not policy, this is not procedure. so what do we do? we do the same thing, we hold them accountable for violating their own policy. so the last thing i did was i draft up a bill, i did a little bit of frain framework on how it would look and that is what i've been working on recently. because you have to be very careful because you don't want -- you want to protect the officer and allow him to do that stuff but hopefully like the ones i made. >> trace: the bad cop bill that you have drafted a come as they are a big take away from that, that you would give us so you can synopsis for us that you want people to know about? what is the big thing you have in your bad cop bill? >> a number of things and the

bad cop bill. you know policing has cost the taxpayers over $1 billion my bad -- of billion dollars because of bad policing and the bad apples to patrol to not follow procedures and protocol. so what we do with that, we take it off at the taxpayers. but now we have an officer, and why are we spending billions of dollars, because the officer not using protocol and then that is one of the main recommendations i have in the bill. and another recommendation is the police should not be policing themselves. it should be an outside investigator that does it, very familiar and does the job of policing. not everybody understands. and we are trying to understand what we do, we go through day in and day out. we have an outside investigator.

when they investigate, it would be the same for the police department. in a shooting death involving the police will have that investigation. as you notice, this particular officer in this last incident, he has 13, 18 complaints. the police department unfounded all of it, and a bad cop has something in common with another bad cop. he has a history of bad policing. and that is easy. all of these guys, they had numerous complaints. the protect filmic the police protected its own and that is why they actually end up killing someone. >> trace: let me just jump in if i can and cory booker from new jersey says in a police brutality bill he would naturally include a registry of police violence, good assessme

assessment? >> i agree with that. i definitely agree with that. because a bad apple establishes something. he has the ammo just like anybody else. and if you are out and disregard policy and do what you want to do, there is a history of that. the police department is taking the position of we will protect our own like they have done for years, it's not going to change anything. >> trace: let me run this by you because house speaker nancy pelosi is pushing a bill that congressman was pushing back in 2015 after the death of eric garner saying that the police, the brutality bills should band, does that handcuff the police departments too much in your assessment? no, just being a practical instructor, just because of the history. we have history to show that.

and it causes serious bodily injury. >> trace: all right, good insight. we have some breaking news and i hate to cut that short. some breaking news coming into fox news channel. we are hearing four saint police officers have been struck by gunfire tonight. st. louis police officers and they have been transported to an area hospital and all are conscious and breathing. the injuries not believed to be life-threatening. the officers apparently in this area of st. louis are apparently taking gunfire downtown trying to get more information on this. we don't know who actually is firing. we don't know if these are looters or other criminals we don't even know if this was tied into the protest and the looting and the vandalism and violence associated with these. as soon as we get more on that, we will bring that to you coming up alive as we continue our coverage on the death of george

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♪ >> trace: minneapolis is where george floyd died and the scene of the initial riots. it appears the writing has finally ended though many or breaking 13:00 p.m. curfew. even though the officer derek chauvin was charged with the death days ago, the protesters remain and are still looking for answers. live to mike tobin on the scene with a look at what is happening right now, mike. >> trace, relative what we see pop up in other cities around

the nation, it is relatively quiet here in minneapolis. this is now the fourth day of a curfew. the third day in which the curfew has been enforced. it doesn't mean it's been without incident. there were 43 arrests affected at the capitol in st. paul. of course st. paul the other one of the twin cities. what you had there was a peaceful demonstration that was rather large and took place in a rather beautiful den and they affect of the arrest. and some of the people like and to stay beyond the curfew. so state troopers came out and pick them up and moved them. there was a weird element that occurred during the arrest. the self appointed medics will often show up at these demonstrators. they had a van. the placement and looked at the van and had supplies like milk, the milk they use for wiping pepper spray or combing the pepper spray and tear gas help for their faces. they had helmets and they had a

baseball bat wrapped with barbed wire. those are the items the st. paul police took from this event. that was rather a strange event with 43 arrest. the other event we have been watching in minneapolis area is the area around the memorial for george floyd, where he died. demonstrators have been forming up there just about every day. they went past the curfew at that location. the police did not go in their masks but surrounded a little while and then rioting and looting and then when they so that wasn't going to happen, it appears they left that one to dissipate. it's a relatively peaceful night in minneapolis as there was a big show of force with law enforcement. not really cracking down tonight because there didn't seem to be any reason to, trace. >> trace: we see the protest at a little bit and the looting in minneapolis. is there a concern a week from now when they buried george

floyd in his hometown of houston that that might end up some of these protests all over again? >> there certainly is that it's one of the factors they are looking at and some of the news crews saying well, even though it's coming down we have the element that we have to look at so we can't leave this city and checked. so that is one of the things. you heard the national guard is drawing down forces but not all the way down. one indicator how the police forces are looking at it. >> trace: from minneapolis, mike thank you. an autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by george floyd's family finding his death was a homicide and he did die by asphyxiation. the family calling for upgraded charges, jackie ibanez life into new york newsroom. attorney for sure -- george floyd calling for minneapolis police officer derek chauvin to be upgraded to first-degree murder and this comes at the commission to doctors to do an

autopsy of the 46-year-old and y autopsy results of the death is a homicide, they did approve the exact cause of death. the independent autopsy finds boyd's death was homicide by mechanical asphyxiation. to do the autopsy was on "hannity" just a couple of hours ago, listen. speak with a finding of the autopsy that we did not have any other reason to cause death. he had his heart, lungs and everything was not sufficiently impaired that would have caused death. in the video of the pressure on the neck and the neck is what establishes that he couldn't breathe and goes along with the statement that he couldn't breathe. and he didn't get enough oxygen to his brain. >> here is that video where you can see the officer arresting him, and derek chauvin kneeling

on floyd's neck and not letting up. this went on for about 9 minutes. the officer standing there and says he can't breathe. the officers contributed to his death. the official autopsy done by the hennepin county medical examiner said he died from the effects of being restrained and found nothing to support a diagnosis of tremendous asphyxiation or strangulation and that report said he had underlying health problems such as heart disease, hypertension and toxins in his system at the time. some think the floyd family lawyers says has nothing at all to do with his death. >> completely irrelevant. he wouldn't have died. you know, there's always going to be an attempt to try to assassinate the character of an individual who you have killed and justifiably and unnecessarily and senselessly. >> right now 44-year-old derek chauvin is behind bars on third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter

charges. three other officers involved in the arrest have not been charged out, but have been fired. of course more on that in the coming days. >> trace: charges may be coming, jackie ibanez, thank you. we talk a lot about how the looting and vandalism and violence is being handled, but the question is, the difference between the looters and the mobs. you see them pull up in their cars and then they infiltrate into these protest groups. and then as the protesters kind of move along, they leave and they go and they loot here they get back in these cars and they take off. the question becomes how do you police that? you are focusing on the protesters, and you have these groups that are leaving the protest and doing some looting. they've got to get away. up next we talked to an spurt how they should be handled. what the police should do and how long this might last coming up. you doing okay?

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there is no context on that. the police were engaging them. on a separate corner, they were appears to be a larger group gathering but those appear to be protesters and for all intents and purposes, protest appeared to be peaceful. no reports. we checked the wires of any looting going on in portland. the same in the seattle area, the northwest has been very calm throughout this night. there is the running you see right there. some of these young people appear to be running and we don't know if running toward something or away from something. we don't want to point fingers but the police engaging them at one point in time. but for all intents and purposes, it is quiet there. continuing coverage and more breaking news coming out of st. louis area. we mentioned earlier four officers were struck by gunfire tonight in the st. louis area. all of those officers have been transported to an area hospital and all of them are conscious and breathing.

we are being told their injuries are not believed to be life-threatening. still, four police officer shot. again it happened downtown. we don't know the context of this either. we don't know if there were protesters, criminals has one police chief said today amidst all of this, you have this crisis with the protesters, the death of george floyd going on. you still have a lot of other crime going on around the country that has to be attended to so we are trying to figure out what is happening in st. louis is attached to anything that might be happening with the protest around the country. coming out of the bronx, even more breaking news we told you about earlier i'm apparently a police officer may be one, may be more may have been attacked by somebody in some capacity. i want to bring in bryan llenas standing by in midtown with the latest on that. anymore information at all, what might be happening in the bronx? i know you are in mid town, but

what are you hearing? >> trace, there are two videos that are disturbing. we haven't been able to independently come from those videos, but the other video shows a police officer beat on e main thoroughfare of the bronx, a lot of businesses and a lot of minority businesses, mayor bill de blasio said via twitter, bronx was a major problem tonight so we should expect more from that but the first video may disturbing scene where you see a man beating up a police officer. then a second man comes in and throws a heavy object at the officer and runs off. then a third man picks up the object and rules set up the officer again. then at that point, the officer takes out a gun and pointed at the man who then flees. there is another video of an officer getting hit by a car in the bronx. we haven't been able to

independently confirm that video. it is disturbing. again, this is happening in a city where there has been a lot of conversation about whether the nypd has shown enough restraint. we have seen video of nypd and cars going in to protesters trying to sort of, you know on top of the police cars and kind of pushed into the protesters. we have seen video of a cop taking out a gun from the other night. we have seen pepper spray put in their eyes. but at the same time mayor bill de blasio and the police commissioner have said, look they have shown tremendous restraint. there have been impossible situations and we have seen it with our own eyes, bricks, glass, bottles thrown at the police. the police officers being injured. tonight in the bronx, at least two officers reportedly hurt and attacked and one hit by a vehicle. we will follow that right now, trace and we will see throughout the morning as we get more

information. >> trace: you have critics that mirrored tape day blows the okra critical of the police officers and their behavior this week and the police union came out saying they were concerned that because they officers don't believe that the mayor is backing them up, they may not feel like they have the capacity to defend themselves and go afte deserved and on another note, reflecting in the glass window there, in the morning, the sire, but the sense, pretty much dissipated for the night are they roaming around or is the police presence really the main thing right now? speak with the police presence is really the main thing right now. i wouldn't say that anybody left over is a protester at all. we just took a drive through manhattan on 34 all the way down to spring street in the soho area where i was with the looting. there are storefronts that are

broken, littered throughout. but there isn't that masked him with mass gatherings at this hour that there was in soho. dozens of hundreds of people. we haven't been seeing that. the streets haven't been emptied and what you do see is you seem to, three, four, five people still going from store to store kind of peaking around and dodging the police. some have stolen closed or stolen shoes. you know, this is a mess still because the fact of the matter is that the curfew was set 11:00 p.m. but we saw mayhem between the hours of eight and 11 and beyond that. and we sometimes can hear the scanner which is what emergency personnel used. it was intense, one intersection to the next to the next to the next in the middle of america's biggest city, trace. >> trace: bryan llenas, thank you. we will continue coverage now. it is curious because during the day most of the people take to

the streets are largely peaceful but we haven't seen looting come of violence that spikes after sunset. the question this brings up is, what happens and how are people judging this. what are they looking at when they see the police officers going after this. i want to bring in bernard. he will give us information and a former special agent and the faculty associated with arizona state university. bernard, my question for this as you look at vandalism and the violence, it's being called social justice in many capacities but you disagree with that. tell us why. >> it is not social justice. there is anarchy at the foot. a prayer to the attempt for displacement in our society, they are hijacking the outrage of the murder mr. floyd and the responding by exploiting the situation. i think most people are to the point now where, there is a

rumor of threat of residential properties, people based on race. and there will be a reaction. eventually, if this continues, you have people defending themselves with force. >> trace: you talk about outside agitators and we hear a lot about them. the federal government is saying they are primarily antifa, the fascist, the left group and there is evidence they might be far right groups as well. does it really matter? how do we stop them? how do we identify them and then how do we stop them? >> it does not matter, and easy for law enforcement to identify a hierarchical group there may be some of them here. but demonstrated 2008 republican national convention there was so much preplanning on a part of number of different groups just to give a label to it. bear don't make very proactive and means of an operational plan

and in terms of motivating crowd for other purposes. that is what is going on now. i would really hope in retrospect, there will be a comprehensive investigation, one that is going on now that will identify people that are committing felonies. in an interstate crime of going across state lines to commit this violence in this act. it's not complicated but a proactive way law enforcement can do this right now in terms of the state intelligent centers where they share crime data information and they use it at the cyber level too you have offers to mike officers and analysts to try to disrupt them and social media. or at a minimum, they are exploiting the information the intelligence and these individuals are putting up themselves. so based on their operations they can plan ahead. and also they can potentially ruins the anarchist to compromise and makes them very

identifiable and therefore and therefore arrestable. >> trace: i want to play this for the minnesota attorney general keith ellison about not naming antifa and get your response on the other side, watch. >> wearing all black, masks breaking things and throwing incident and they were a device i don't know where they are from. and we need to know a lot more about them. >> i guess he is on the same page, it does not matter, he doesn't really care. >> you have to be careful too, trace we are not allowing any type of professed, distressing to detract from the investigation that shows individual accountability and the fact there are people at an organizational level that are causing this. they can be indicted and they should be. >> trace: i want to get your take on this because we did the story tonight about piles of bricks showing up in various cities across the country know

where near construction sites but protest sites. some believe they might be planted to make violence and antifa it may be other groups, some of these other agitating factors. >> that was the exact anarchist groups in 2008 republican national convention in st. paul. they were literally staging bricks, rocks,, molotov cocktails and incendiary devices to cause mayhem and destruction. >> trace: it is, while matt, this is happening across the country and there were bricks and sometimes there are in centenary devices being placed in and around these areas where the protesters are. but thank you for joining us, thank you so much. >> thanks, trace. >> trace: i want to update breaking news, we are told the police will hold a news briefing on the four police officer shot in downtown st. louis. unclear when that news briefing

will be, but of course we will give it to you live. continuing coverage coast to coast. the protest, the loitering, the looters, and the death of a man whose funeral will be one week from addi -- ..

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>> we begin with the fox news alert on this early addition of "fox and friends first," chaos despite curfew, falling victim to leaders and police and national guard ramp up their presence throughout the country. >> what were once peaceful protests over the death of george floyd turned into crime, the flagship macy's and famed fifth avenue. >> new video emerges of a police officer viciously attacked in the bronx, reports of another being hit by a car and in st. louis four officers shot in the chaos, the chaos unraveling