>> ed: another remarkable week. have a great weekend. >> sandra: you never know. have a wonderful weekend. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> ♪ >> melissa: president trump calling it the greatest comeback in american history after the stunning jobs report shows the u.s. may be on the rebound from the coronavirus pandemic. american employers added a record 2.5 million jobs. most experts predicted 8 million jobs would be lost. the unemployment rate ticking down to 13.3%. markets loving the news. the dow surged 950 points over

the 27,000 mark. president trump taking a victory lap in the rose garden and taking a shot at all of the naysayers. >> this is outstanding what happened today. they thought the number would be a loss of 9 million jobs. it was a gain of almost 3 million jobs. this is better than a v. this is a rocket ship. it will be a v, an l? >> melissa: we will talk numbers. executive direct of conserve america and washington times contributor charlie hurt. charlie, americans ran out the front doors of their home and

right back to work. it's in our blood. we want to work. >> they didn't like being quarantined that much. it's amazing to look at these numbers and think about what a tremendous day it should be. it is for president trump. you look at the entire first half of this year. so much what we have been deal with, the pandemic or the economy. it's all about predictions. when you look at all of the predictions, all of these have always been suggesting demise for president trump. the numbers today all of the predictions were wildly wrong. it is a truly tremendous day for america but also for the preside president. >> melissa: in a shocking turn of event the experts were wrong. their estimations of what would

happen and their numbers were massively off. i will point to one piece of news that i particularly liked. i thought 73% of small businesses had reopened. i think larry said closer to 80%. maybe he was rounding up better. it's a big number. small businesses the lifeblood of our economy and country and the american dream personified. they are going back to work. >> they are going back to work. and with respect to charlie, it's not about president trump. it's still about the people that still don't have jobs want not to throw cold water on the report, but people want more hours and can't get them. it's still north of 21%. 21.2% of americans are not getting enough work or any work at all. that's more than 1 out of 5

americans who are in the work force who need more work. that needs work. i am optimistic. i think it's important for everyone to be optimistic in this way. because, caution and conservative behavior by businesses and by individuals and consumers, it can turn this slow down into something long lasting. the things that caused this down turn go away, but it persists because slow growth begets slow growth. we have to encourage people to go back out there and get back out on the job. particularly after the extra $600 a week expires at the end of july. >> melissa: absolutely. harris, you can't talk down america. people regardless of what is being said, they are going back to work.

she is right about all of the people that still need to go. that was one of the things the president addressed in the rose garden today. extending the terms on ppp loans. now he will address the problem of restaurants. those are people that need to go back to work. your thoughts, harris? >> harris: my thoughts are resting with what we have seen in the last 7 to 9 days with the peaceful protesting but mixing in a lot of looting and violence. i say a lot. we saw most of it in downtown urban areas where some of these businesses were hit. i look at minnesota, minneapolis, and the governor making the decision to reopen for outdoor seating on june 1st of this week in spite of it all. saying we have to get people back to work. we have to stay on a reopen schedule amid this coronavirus pandemic. i thought that was a really telling sign of where we are and where we can go.

protecting those small businesses, since they hired before the pandemic north of 66% of the working economy. we need to get those people feeling like they are supported after some of the destruction, the fires, what might have happened to their small business establishments. i know there are dollars being set aside and talk in washington, but that's an immediate infusion. these numbers to my knowledge do not account for the last 96 hours or so of that destruction in the economy. >> melissa: absolutely not. the president said what needs to happen now is focus on the vulnerable areas. that's exactly where our attention needs to go. so much of the rest of the country is coming back. he said now we have to focus on those spots that were hit the hardest. he also said this.

>> the only thing that can stop us is bad policy. frankly, left wingbad policy, the polls we do are looking good. if we didn't have the possibility of having higher taxes like the democrats want to do and the new green deals which are ridiculous. >> i want to pick up on something you said earlier. talking about the government programs that kept small businesses partially afloat and unemployment benefits will be ending at some point. underneath these surprisingly good numbers, how much is accounted to the fact there was an infusion of cash and support from the federal government?

there is a debate about extensioned these programs or a stage-4 rover package.ding th a stage-4 rover package. there are still a lot of people out of work, for example, with black unemployment. the economic uncertainty, so many people continue to feel in the minority communities is driving the anger and frustration in the streets. we can't divorce the two from each other as we decide what policies the federal government should be pursueing to keep this recovery going. >> melissa: i want to address what marie just said. having studied economics at

harvard, i disagree with washe just said. i think by extending these policies, the economists i spoke to think the extension between unemployment running out and that's july 31st hurts the minority community and hurts the economies trying to recover because don't go out and seek a job immediately. what are your thoughts? >> i have talked to business owners who can't get people back on the job. these are people they trained them because they are making right now on unemployment than they were being paid first. secondly the typical worker right now on unemployment is earning more than he or she had been at work because of the enhanced benefits in the stimulus checks. it's an extra $600a week. the congressional budget office in a letter to members of

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>> ♪ >> melissa: protestors calling out police brutality after the death of george floyd are calling for cities and states to defund the police departments in their areas. this as the minneapolis city council is set to hold an emergency meeting today weighing radical changes to the police department in the city where george floyd died. the council's president tweeted, yes, we will dismantle the police department in minneapolis. and replace it with a trans formative new model of lobule safety. -- public safety. los angeles and san francisco are pledging to redirect funds to the minority communities. the lapd will cut 150-million

dollars from the lapd. marie, what it will look like if we defund the people who protect and serve us across the country? >> well, a number of policy proposals protestors put forward for police department like defunding them or ending the use of choke holds. >> harris: i want to keep it straight on the money. what sell look like? >> well, there is a question. >> harris: that's my question. >> in places like buffalo, new york, and in louisville and atlanta. i don't think that most people want to defund entire police departments, but they want to make sure the way they do business is different in the future. we have seen too many examples over the fast few days across

the country in various police departments of police officers clubbing and beating protestors and journalists and innocent bystanders. something has to change. a new model of policing has to come forward. there are a lot of good police officers who have ideas for that and want to be part of this and who will be a part of that conversation. it can't continue the way it is for sure. >> harris: i wonder, specifically, and i want to double down with you. as a democrat guest on the panel what the money will do to these changes? funneling it to black owned businesses, what does that do for the protection of us as an american society? how does the money go into the some of the video we are seeing? >> we feed -- need to determine where the money is going. to police officers deserve to have full tanks to run through

the city and we don't have enough ppe. a lot of police department have enormous amounts of money to spend on weapons that are quite destructive. we need a conversation about where our tax dollars go. >> harris: charlie? >> when most people see store fronts smashed open and retired cops shot and killed on the sidewalk, most people think they need the riot gear and the weaponry and the protective gear. if anything, i think most people think they should get more money. perhaps more money for increased training to make sure that there are more humane ways of subduing people that have to be arrested. it's a funny thing about humans. humans, you can't just twinkle your nose and have everybody

obey the law. we have to have police departments. there is no way around it. the police have to be able to arrest people. when you have the kind of lawlessness we have seen over the past week, stemming from a horrific situation where george floyd died, it does not mean that we need to do away with police departments especially coming from the same quarters from the political environment who was to disarm individual citizens. it's insane. who is supposed to be armed in in situation? only criminals? it's perfectly nuts! these politicians who are proposing these things they are desperate for the aduleation of the mob. they are running in front of the mob throwing out crazy things to

get attention and support. it's very, very dangerous. it will hurt the people they claim to want to help. >> melissa: charlie, i will know call them mobs but call them protestors. after the riots with the lapd years ago and rodney king. i don't recall anybody taking away $150 million away from the police department and the way they are talking about it now. having it come from the streets of protestors as an idea. what do you say? >> i am not talking about protestors. i think we have seen that laws do not enforce themselves. when you have the police that are not empowered or police that are overwhelmed by criminals, we have seen this illustrated in the last few days.

when order where there none. it disappeared. in new york city, marie talked about police gear. we heard from police officers here who don't feel like they had enough gear. you saw looters and thieves and vandals running into buildings. it was open, the door was open literally on stealing from store after store in new york city. here the bail reform law that the governor magically is upset about, he championed it. you don't have cash bail for any crime except for the most violence offensives. what is going to happen, you will have vigilante justice and citizens and residents arming themselves even when they are forbidden from doing so like here in new york city. you will have a rise in organized crimes where people and business owners will pay for

protection. that's not the country that anybody wants to live in. >> harris: no, we call that the past. where we have been with a lot of pain to get to where we are. melissa. >> melissa: the beauty of our country if one community wants to try this, they can do it. like we watched some places reopened and others stayed shut in. we could see what happened with the huge spike in florida or did they get back to business? we can watch a community that votes for this and wants to do it. give it a shot and let's see what the outcome it. >> harris: i want to go back to marie and just ask,are there other ways we should be looking to funnel money to certain communities? i want to get your thoughts on the question i was trying to ask our panel but put it to you.

after rodney king, it's not like we have not learned these lessons previous. that's the problem. we have been down this road before. going forward what are some of the other options besides defunding police department by million dollars? >> well, we need more investments in a lot of communities. i don't know where that money should come from. we have to separate these issues. looting and the violence we have seen in a small but dangerous part of the protests is one thing. the riot gear we have seen used against peaceful protestors if my city of washington, the huge military presence we have here. that only serves to escalate tensions. some of the best police departments responding haven't been using riot gear. they are trying to de-escalate

with peaceful protestors. last night new york police pushed an elderly man down and he was bleeding out of his ear and they walked past him. police departments need to take a hard look at what they are doing. they have to do better. >> harris: buffalo police department taking the reins on that and to investigate what will be done to the officers. what they had on didn't perform them to be cruel. it was what was in them. new york city mayor bill de blasio taking intense heat from all directions. i can't wait to hear from melissa on this. the state's democratic governor calling him a disgrace and leaders of the black lives matter movement want him to resign. is the mayor losing control of new york city? plus, top justice department officials say outside extremist

groups are encouraging violence at george floyd protests. how federal authorities are responding.

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>> harris: attorney general william barr saying the justice department is looking into cases of individuals, some connected to far left antifa movement. allegedly encouraging act of violence and providing the means to carry them out. charlie, i will start with you. i thought it was help. when he separated the groups in the protest into three groups. that's the way it appears, the people protesting which he called it a righteous cause. then the looters out there to just grab stuff. and then from is this other group and several of them. antifa and antifa-like. not pointing the finger just at them but who is trying to cause chaos, create violence. turn people against each other

by hiding within these other groups. your thoughts? >> absolutely. we should remember -- it's easy to forget this because it seems so obvious. there are these three distinct groups and certainly two groups. it's important to remember it and to repeat it. nobody is more greatly disserved by the mob, by these violent protestors than the peaceful protestors who have an american constitutional right to express themselves. people in this country including police fight and die for those people have that right. the problem is right now, it's not that you have people peacefully from te -- protestin

and expression themselves. 99% of mornings applaud that. -- of americans applaud that. the problem is you have people who want to destroy the rights of protestors to peacefully express themselves. the cops have a very, very difficult job. even good cops are going it make mistakes sometimes. people are going to get hurt. we need to talk about that. we need to address that without question. when you have outside groups delivering pallets of bricks to street corners so looters can throw them at store fronts and hurt people. this is not peaceful protesting and it has to be put down. >> melissa: marie? >> we need to dig into the third group. i think it's an important

question. who are the instae gators? the looters appear to be opportunists. but there is a third group trying to hijack the protests for violent purposes. there were 22 criminal complaints filed and want one mentioned antifa in any way. that's one place i will keep looking at the criminal complaints. we have people who said they are aligned with antifa-like principles. we have concerning reports coming out there are white supremacist groups riling up the protests. this is an important place we need our focus in law enforcement and on the ground in the cities to dig in to who these people are. so far we don't have a lot of data on what they might be but

have concerning signs. >> melissa: yes. i don't think antifa wears matching uniforms. they don't have colors or badges or name tags to identify them. making the investigation important. i don't think people said they were wearing an antifa baseball cap. >> who has been causing the problems in recent years and been violent and unrest at previous protests? call them anarchist groups. i agree with marie, name names and follow the money. the feds can track these groups across state lines. i am all for just laying out following that cash and seeing where it leads. there have been arrests in new york city. it looked like organized crime, the looting of buildings and

businesses. they have come from across the country. let's name names and find out who is funding these groups in months not years. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: i wanted to comment on barr's tone yesterday. it was helpful to have that experienced tone and hear him talk about it was at his direction there were federal charges during the rodney king rioting and what went on there. he's been in another tough place. that's valuable going forward. this has been in the hands of the doj in terms of taking a closer look. from the early days with george floyd, it wasn't that long ago. within the last couple of weeks. the president wanted that particular department involved.

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>> ♪ >> harris: new york city mayor bill de blasio is taking heat over his handling of the george floyd protests. new york city police made dozens of arrests as protestors broke the mayor's curview.

during a memorial service for george floyd yesterday this happened. >> we have to make a change. i thank you for being here to build a change. >> [shouting]. >> to all of us who have not walked a mile in the shoes of the black community, for all of us -- >> harris: what did the mayor say? we could not hear because the protestorsor boo go. -- booing. some turned their lives on him and the president of black lives matter if greater new york called for de blasio to resign. he said the eric garner killing contributed to this moment. new york governor andrew cuomo threatened to take control if the unrest continues. >> my option is to displace the mayor of new york city and bring

in the national guard as the governor in a state of emergency. and basically take over -- i don't think we are at that point. >> harris: it's interesting. the mayor, or the governor said he was misquoted. he didn't apologize for saying that. wow. then reignited the whole thing. displaced! if somebody said that about our jobs we would check the resume. >> melissa: hmmm. i would say we is all been locked up for this pandemic for a long time. a safe and easy conversation starter. walk into any room in new york and say bill de blasio is an idiot and the entire room will perk up and start a conversation with you. this is a man who literally has no fans and friends.

that's incorrodible. -- incredible. i don't know if his wife likes you anymore. i went too far with that. i am kidding. this is a mayor who literally zero support want i think about when he was running for the democratic nomination for president and he had zero support in new york city. in the city he was mayor of. it's kind of funny but it's really tragic. he has destroyed this city himself by alienating every group. this was painful to watch this situation. >> harris: charlie, black lives matter of greater new york, its leadership wants bill de blasio to quit. >> i think that in an odd way we ought to thank bill de blasio. in these divisive times for any politician to unify everybody in

new york city and everybody in the country it take one same position, i think that's an extraordinary feat. >> harris: that's positive. >> the funnest part is watching andrew cuomo tear into bill de blasio. i can't help but think some of this might have to do with more than just the current situation. i think it might have to do with the vast mishandling of the pandemic. the idea that andrew cuomo is going to manage to escape all of the scrutiny he deserves for the last ten days and for his handling of the pandemic, is kind of extraordinary. if we can dump all of that on bill de blasio by blaming bill de blasio and threaten to take over, that would be an extraordinary political feat on his part as well. >> harris: marie, what happens

when the democratic party in new york if you get a democratic governor to displace a democratic mayor in the middle of a pandemic and a crisis across the country after the killing of george floyd? what will that political party look like inside that democratic state for the most part in terms of how it votes predominantly? >> new york democrats are their own sort of island in the democratic party. there is a longstanding feud between cuomo and bill de blasio. most democratic governors and mayors are getting good marks right now. this is limited to new york. charlie is right. democrats don't like bill de blasio. this is an issue the democrats and republicans agree on. it's about a number of issues. a lot goes back to the eric garner situation. watching his failure of leadership in the past few

months has been xrord. -- extraordinary. democrats are stepping up and saying that. the cuomo and de blasio feud is about more than this moment. it's a political feud as well. it will be interesting to see who comes next in new york city for the democratic party? the next rising star that will emerge in new york city to take the place of bill de blasio. there is a leadership vacuum waiting to be filled. >> harris: any thoughts on who it might be, real quick? >> honestly, i don't have. i don't know the city's politics well enough. you hear talk about the new york democratic delegation at the federal level. people like aoc who got attention. but i know there are activists and folks working on the ground that if begin the opportunity and the exposure they would step

into those shoes that bill de blasio failed to fill. >> harris: sometimes i will hear you talk in terms of the economy on these issues. what is your top line thought on it? it's more than a rift for bill de blasio. he is having his own crisis. >> that's one tall drink of loser! he failed the people of new york time and again. the most vulnerable. children and the homeless. people who are mentally ill. the drug and alcohol addicted. governor cuomo is just trying to pick on de blasio to deflect attention from the fact his policy led to the death of thousands of people in nursing homes. this state and city, we have the worst health outcomefrom the virus and the worst financial and economic outcome? it's from a lack of leadership. they are both losers and they

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>> ♪ >> the "new york times" a piece by cotton calls for the federal government to send in the troops to end violence at protests.

dozens of "times" employees said the piece put their black colleagues in danger. a spokesperson said the editor process was rushed and the op-ed didn't meet their standards. critics pounced on that statement. a reporter tweet it an op-ed from a u.s. senator did not meet the editiorial standards of the "new york times"? but op-eds from the russian president and the taliban did? charlie, he said at least 3 different versions went back and forth between himself and the editor. i have win an opinion piece for the "wall street journal." you parse every word going back and forth. do you this if air living. your thoughts? >> i don't know why they are surprised. this is what happens when you hire left wing activists.

you end up with idiotic protests over free speech. the notion that free speech equals violence is truly insane. it explains what the "new york times" have surrendered any pretense of supporting the news accurately and fairly. it's all about going after to trump to destroy trump. this is corrupt. >> melissa: it's more about the management looking like weak kneed fools. they would support an op-ed and put it out there and then pressure from the employees. now saying they didn't have time to read it and it rushed! that's just silly and lame. >> it was heavyly edited and

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around? i do that a lot. [laughing]. >> have a great weekend. we will see you back here on monday. now here's harris. >> ♪ >> fox news alert. the u.s. economy added 2.5 million jobs in may and the unemployment rate fell to 13.3%. with dow jones surging prot president trump should it could be the greatest come back in it american history. >> i had 144 all time high stock market in 3 years and we will do it again. >> harris: there is a lot to report and say on this topic today. coming up later with me in the