birthday i drank 32 ounces of ce lery juice so that you don't have to. pete: so i don't have to. love it. griff: happy birthday pete, a little advice, pepsid ac will come in handy for that chick-fil-a and ice cream. pete: have a great saturday everybody. >> you are looking live at lafayette park in our nations capitol where crowds are forming , thousands are expected to gather in what could be the largest protest yet in the wake of george floyd's death , protests remaining largely peaceful as they enter their second weekend, we will have much more on this throughout the next two hours. >> but first, businesses reopening and now signs the economy is indeed recovering welcome everyone. i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto and you are watching cavuto live. we begin with the recovery that few saw coming at least not this soon, we'll also speak to the white house economic advisor

kevin hassett and labor secretary eugene scalia, but first to jackie deangelis with the latest on this swift rebound , jackie? reporter: good morning to you, charles well it was a blowout jobs number on all level s. two and a half million jobs created in the month of may when the expectation was a decline of 8 million jobs, an unemployment rate that with declines of 13.3% when it was expected to rise to almost 20%. now, this number did catch a lot of people off guard, but not wall street which has been steadily rallying despite civil unrest across the country. and investors looking forward to reopening and recovery, which are now in progress. areas of strength in the jobs report, gains in retail, health and education services, manufacturing, and leisure and hospitality as well which you know have been hit so hard, so brutally, by the covid-19 pandemic. now president trump held a press conference in the rose garden after the report he said that the next few months will continue to see progress and the

numbers are going to continue to improve. on the back of this report, the dow finished higher by 829 points yesterday, now over 27,000, and still off from its all-time highs 29, 551 that was on february 12 of this year, but marching steadily closer to that level. the nasdac catching a fresh all-time record yesterday but not able to hold it into the close. we did see oil gushing $39 a barrel a three-month high so those energy stocks led the march higher. the 10 year treasury yield ris ing to its highest since mid- march as well signaling there's an easing in this typical safety trade some of that fear is easing financials and industrial pushing stocks higher as well and the treasury secretary tweeted yesterday that the recovery has begun, and as we just saw, the markets appear to agree, charles. charles: they certainly do jackie a remarkable session and week and as jackie mentioned

president trump touting a strong jobs report in the midst of a pandemic, mark meredith is at the white house with more on this. mark? >> good morning to you charles president trump is calling it the start of the great american comeback as jackie was just talking about this jobs report catching a lot of analysts by surprise but some fearing that the unemployment rate could have jumped up to 20% last month, but as you mentioned those numbers are a whole lot different president trump talked about it as he signed the paycheck protection program flexibility act, businesses will now have more time to spend the funds that they've been getting and it lowers their requirements to dictate how much money has to go to payroll. this as the president says an economic recovery is already well underway. president trump: but one of the reasons we're in this position is because we had such a strong foundation, so we were able to close our country, save millions of lives, open and now the trajectory is great. reporter: the president went on to say that he believes great progress is being made on a coronavirus vaccine, although

it's unclear if and when a vaccine be made available. the president went on to say he believes that governors should do more to reopen their econom ies, he's singled out a number of states that reopen in the south. meantime the white house has turned into a fortress moreso than normally and this is the most security i've ever seen since inauguration day and while d.c. is expecting a massive protest president trump is attacking d.c.'s mayor on twitter. he said mayor bowser is grossly incompetent and in no way qualified to be running an important city like washington the great men and women of the national guard didn't step forward she would have looked no better better than her counter part the mayor in minnesota minneapolis. she's also encouraged the president to pullback on federal law enforcement like the fbi,atf, dea on the streets in d.c. guarding along with the roadblocks setup all along the white house. charles? charles: mark, thank you very much. so, surprising numbers now of course the question, are they here to stay?

i asked white house economic advisor kevin hassett and here is what he had to say. >> it feels like maybe even the house was caught off guard with just how quickly how swift ly this economy is coming back. >> yeah, i would say that the only person of the white house that wasn't really surprised by these numbers was the president. the president has been super optimistic throughout and he's been even at times making a little bit of fun of me because i'm the one like oh, i'm really worried about the initial claims but the thing is that the president's policies are working and we saw that today in the numbers that were really extraordinary. think about it the typical wall street economists missed today's number by 10 million, so we're talking, you know, the miss is bigger than the population of a lot of states, right? it's just an astonishing astonishing bit of news and we know why it happened. it happened because the president and secretary mnuchin and the economic team

designed policies to basically build a bridge for small businesses, four and a half million small businesses got loans from the government, so that they be there when the economy turned back on and they could bring their workers back and its happening way faster than we expected and don't forget, this is something you know better than anyone in fact, you saw he quoted you, you're going to put us all out of work on the economic advisors i think and watch your show, but the fact is that the survey was early in the month. the 12th, the week of the 12th so actually now, we're up into june, but if it were late in the month imagine how good the numbers be and so i think the june number is going to be something like this and it means that we've hit bottom and we're coming back way faster than anyone other than the president thought possible. charles: so the two other things i want to get to in this segment the politicalization of two things, a second round, and i think that we should probably go from calling it relief to stimulus but the second round of aid coming out of the federal government and i think you're

right. the speed in which mnuchin put this together with the rest of the white house i think was the key. how do you keep that going when you have conservative economists saying enough is enough, and then i want to ask you about the politicalization of today's number many people making light of the fact that the black unemployment rate ticked up of course they don't realize that 283,000 black americans got jobs last month, but the media is going to zero in over and over again, on negativity, particularly when it comes to the black community so first, will there be another stimulus package? >> yeah, there definitely will be, but one of the things that the president has instructed the team to do is to watch the numbers carefully, get as many realtime numbers as we can, and have a menu of options for him that's conditional on how the economy is doing and so if we have another bunch of job numbers like we've seen, you know, as going into july, then i could imagine it be a much different phase iv bill than if we had a whole bunch of months like april

and so the president is doing exactly the right thing which is he built a bridge that basically lasts until about the end of july, and so we're going to use that time to monitor the economy and think about what the best policies are but i'm sure there will be a phase iv deal, because there are things like liability protection and so on that really have to happen. charles: right and i'm sure you guys want to stay ahead. that's what the key was. you don't want linger too long, just with less than a minute to go, are there specific plans other than the idea that the same time this all shifts to help the black community and other communities now that there is an awakening if you will from corporate america and others that maybe there should be some targeted help? >> well there's been a whole bunch of targeted health since the president first got here and that's why as you know the african american unemployment rate was the lowest on record as recently as january the jobs numbers actually did show it increased almost 300,000 as you said, but i think that the policies that we have in place especially the

opportunities of policy is something that has an enormous amount of potential going forward. there have already been specific policies but the general policies the tax cuts and the deregulation and everything made it so the of course growth is higher for african americans and unemployment was lower for african americans so it was a much more just society in january than when president trump took office. charles: well that was white house economic advisor kevin hassett. while the economy starts to heal , the community mourning the death of george floyd, we'll try to do the same in north carolina, there's a viewing later on today and this is peaceful protests continue across the nation. lucas tomlinson is in washington 's lafayette park where crowds are forming. lucas? >> good morning, charles and it's very peaceful here next to the white house much like yesterday but a far cry from earlier this week when the nursery at st. john's church behind me burned. mayor bowser says its been so peaceful in fact she wants all

u.s. military forces to leave. >> we don't think that soldiers should be in the nations capitol patrolling or policing streets. we've made that formal request to the white house. we have no desire to have any soldier, out on the street but d.c. residents can't pay their bills. reporter: yesterday, mayor bowser unveiled a new street sign black lives matter plaza across the street, and the mayor also ordered the words black lives matter painted near the white house with the same paint used for the double yellow lines on city streets and the words cover two blocks and at the same time mayor bowser spoke yesterday special forces soldiers with the utah national guard were being evicted from their d.c. hotel and for days the soldiers had been cleaning graffiti off public buildings and utah senator mike lee blasted the mayor over the move. defense secretary esper ordered all 900 remaining active duty soldiers to go home to fort bragg and there are over 5,000

unarmed national guard troops still deployed in the nations capitol roughly the same numbers deployed to iraq. a public viewing for george floyd will take place within the hour. it'll be a public viewing over to the public outside his hometown of fayetteville, north carolina where he was born. the protests here in the nations capitol are expected to be peaceful at least that's what mayor bowser has told residents. charles? charles: lucas thank you very much and the protests they may be calming down but the cost of disruption ramping up. detroit police chief james craig is next. stock slices. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500, even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50 instead of paying thousands. all commission free online. schwab stock slices: an easy way to start investing or to give the gift of stock ownership.

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>> "black lives matter] [chanting] [defund the police] charles: calls to defund the

police in major u.s. cities following the death of george floyd, is that what will bring justice to detroit police chief james craig. chief craig thank you so much for joining us. obviously detroit is a city grappling with this as others, what do you make of this phenomenon of going and skipping the notion of reforming police departments, changing policies and going straight to defunding them? >> excludely flawed. i mean, so we talk about de funding, and then there's talk about dismantleing in some instances it's clearly a knee jerk reaction this notion that one-size-fits-all, it's flawed. i mean how does that go with insuring that police departments are providing effective and efficient policing to the communities they're serving? it just makes no sense. now, i acknowledge that and certainly in challenging communities that we should pay

attention to recreation and school but we don't do it by de funding the police. particularly in a place like detroit where we came out of bankruptcy. certainly our police officers had some of the lower paid and while we're incrementally working our way up to bring in their salaries up, so what are we going to do? lay off police officers in detroit? take 10%? fortunately then, minimal conversation here about de funding, it's flawed and it makes no sense. charles: right. chief craig, while you mentioned it's a knee jerk reaction i feel like there's been a plan in place, or deceiving of this anti-police rhetoric has gone on for more than a decade and whether its come from celebrities or politicians so it felt like the folks who have been behind that felt this was the moment to strike. now listen i grew up in harlem and we had a serious, we were in

defacto battle in police with my neighborhood growing up but we were frustrated when they didn't get there in time so how do we figure out if this is a decades- old problem, the interactions, how do you go about forgetting about the de funding idea but going about some sort of change that can make the situation better for everyone? >> you know, i'll tell you, i'm fortunate here in detroit. we certainly value our community we talk to our community and i think that one piece makes the world of difference. i go back to the defunding. these folks that are coming up with this idea, have they spoke to the folks who rely on police services? so not just reducing crime, but for so many things and challenged economic communities, urban communities across this country, they rely on the police, and granted some relationships are better in some

cities and when i look at detroit i am so proud of detroit , around this great city. i'm proud of the men and women who wear the uniform who believe in service and that doesn't mean and this is the other conversation that oftentimes gets missed. bad apples. every organization, every profession has a bad apple, and i'm not saying that. there are some places we know, we're hearing some of the conversation about minneapolis say hey, you know, maybe this was a systemic problem that's widespread. charles: so to that point though, remember the old blue wall of silence and those kind of things, what's being done to root out the bad apples before they can do something so horrific it casts a shadow on every police officer in this country, a negative shadow? >> and that's a great question and i tell you it really comes down to one basic thing, leadership. you hire the right police chief and that police chief holds his

or her executives and managers who run the police department, holds them accountable and magic begins to happen. the flawed approach to going after the bad apple is just focusing on the rank-and-file. by and large, police officers who come to work every day want to do it right. they expect to be supported but they also need great leadership and i'd oftentimes say to myself sometimes you've got to say for themselves. it's really down to one issue, leadership and effective management with a police department makes the whole difference, that's the key. charles: sir, i've got just 30 seconds, a quick answer if you can. police presence within school systems, is that something that can be rolled back because there's questions about how intimidating it is or questions about how it makes the kids feel

with respect to self-esteem and things like that. >> yeah, you know we're not in the school systems here in detroit, and i don't see that as being an issue. i think it is important though what we do. we have relationships with the young people, we engage with them and i think those programs are phenomenonal and they work. charles: that's part of community policing i think, chief craig, thank you very much i appreciate you taking the time and sharing those thoughts with us. i think they really helped everyone who was listening. thank you. >> thanks so much. i appreciate it. charles: i'm sorry, sir we have to leave it there. if extremist groups are behind the violence going on the question is, what's being done to go after them. former acting attorney general math use whitaker on that, he's next. stock slices. for as little as $5,

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>> we have evidence that anvil and other similar extremist groups as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions have been involved in instigating and participating in the violent activity, and we are also seeing foreign actors playing all sides to exacerbate the violence. charles: that was u.s. attorney general william barr saying antifa and other extremist groups are fueling some of the violent protests that we've seen earlier this week, so what's being done to go after them, joining me now former acting attorney general, and author of above the law, matthew whitaker. matthew first of all congratulations on the book. let's talk about antifa and what is it about them?

i've read that it is their organization, their communication, and how they travel from town-to-town. is this what really distinguishes them as a true domestic terrorist organization? >> well yes, and they're loosely associated but with the same violent goal in mind which is complete chaos, and ultimately anarchy in our city streets and so they've taken advantage of protests, legitimate peaceful protests that are, you know, obviously against all of the things that happened to george floyd, and at the hands of the minneapolis police officers and so antifa is a tough organization to investigate because of their use of encrypted devices, their loose affiliations, but they are a top-down structure and they are well-funded and i think the department of justice has a worthy target as they pursue them. charles: i want to follow-up on two things you mentioned, the well-funded part but also

the notion that it's a loosely- built sort of organization. does that make it more difficult to officially label them as a domestic terrorist group and to bring them to justice so to speak? >> yeah, i think we get too wrapped up sometimes charles on the idea of labels and declaring people domestic terrorist organizations. there are statutes that the department of justice can use to not only investigate but prosecute these types of organizations. they've been done in the past against other organizations that have wanted to have chaos and discord in our society and so i look at the investigation here and it's going to take some time these protests sprung essentially overnight after what happened to mr. floyd and so these types of investigations do take some time. charles: although you have to admit that i'm sure leon every level has had antifa on their radar. this is not the first time they've arrived at either a conference whether it's global conference or a riot or an

event. anything that tugs at the emotions of the general public there's antifa hurling a rock, or perpetuating violence, so i would imagine they've been on your radar for a very long time. where is the source of their money coming from? they always say follow the money they are very organized. they've got great sophistication whose providing them with all of this money? >> yeah, this is, i'm sure this is the number one goal of the fbi currently is they investigate this and that is where is their funding coming from, you can't pre-position weapons like bricks and other things without some funding, without and money always has a trail that you can investigate and again, i think the department of justice is a good opportunity for them to not only figure out and learn and prosecute members of antifa but also other organizations that are also causing this chaos and destruction in our city. charles: you know, i read a

book, the boogaloo movement and apparently that's a far right organization the doj just arrested three men associated with them. what about the role of the media as i toggle around the channels the last week, few have either mentioned antifa, more of them are saying that it's "white supremitieses" who are stirring up trouble and then i did see somewhere some in the media think that this is a good organization that they're living up to their anti-fascism rhetoric and doing a good thing for this country. is it important that the media get this right as well? >> i think it's incredibly important that the media not only gets this right but tells an accurate story as to where the violence is coming from and again, this is not a matter of whose to blame, but i think the american people especially the peaceful protesters whose demonstrations are being hijacked by violent organizations, you know, we all need to understand where this is coming from and why this is happening in our major city because by and large the people that are responding to george

floyd's death at the hand of minneapolis police officers, obviously have a legitimate complaint against their own police forces and those reforms need to happen, but at the same time, those protests are being hijacked by violent extremists trying to advance their radical agenda and we can't let that happen and the media has to accurately report that. charles: you know, the good news though, matthew, is that i saw a lot of videos in these local places across the country where people in those neighborhoods say hey, you are not welcome here. get the hell out of here. you're just causing trouble, you're going to make things worse, so i love it that citizens are standing up to these folks and i hope the justice department can catch up to them as well. matthew always great talking to you. see you again soon. >> thank you. charles: a tropical storm barreling toward the gulf coast why this could hit you know matter where you live. and las vegas is no longer locked down. bar rescue host jon taffer on

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charles: a tropical storm is heading towards the u.s. gulf coast, fox's rick richmuth joins us now with the very latest, rick? rick: charles good to see you yeah so we have a storm it's our third tropical storm of the very short season, so far, june 6

season started june 1 and we had a couple in may and we're expect ing a really active season and this is a good storm for us to get prepared everyone to get prepared with what we're going to be watching this is a look at the storm not very well organized right now, and it's going to run out of time across the gulf that is well, the waters are warm we're not talking about waters that are august and september warm so i don't think we'll be watching significant strengthening of the storm as it pulls off towards the north. do expect to see some sort of a landfall here, some time tomorrow afternoon. that's a landfall again maybe a 60-mile an hour storm, or so, and then it gives me a continued to pull out towards the north eventually watching really significant rain track all the way up and across parts of arkansas into mississippi, and illinois, so we'll watch for potentially some flooding all the way off towards the north. now one concern for a lot of your business viewers charles are the oil platforms. the storm is going to be going very close where a lot of the oil production across the gulf is that said because it won't be that strong of a storm i don't expect to see major

interruptions with oil production and because it's pretty quick moving storm, it will get in there and out of there pretty quickly. we are watching a little bit of storm surge here, and maybe two to four feet around lake borne and that shouldn't cause too much in the way of problems there, we'll also see maybe about a foot or two of storm surge even just to the points a little bit farther towards the east and the biggest thing we're watching is really significant rain, maybe three to six inches across a pretty widespread area and with some isolated areas, maybe up to around 10 inches or so of rain, maybe parts of panhandle of florida and then across areas over towards around the new orleans area, one thing to note charles we have a lot of drought going on across parts of the central immediate gulf coast , this will probably wipe out that drought giving a little bit too much rain too quick but this certainly will help especially for some of the agricultural issues that are going down there across parts of the gulf. this is the storm that is a good one for us to get our practice in on because we have a long

season ahead of us i fear. charles? charles: rick, thank you very much, folks and from the big storm in the gulf coast to the big reopening in las vegas. that's right the city is starting to get back to business this week but it could be a while before the hotels and casinos there are fully returned to normal and from the venetian hotel in vegas bar rescue host jon taffer. thanks for joining us. >> great to be here charles can you hear that sound? that's the sound of slot machines and people playing again. charles: it's a wonderful sound and when i saw the fountains at the bellagio turned back on i was actually moved by it. that's one of the most vibrant places in america in many ways the pulse of excitement, consumer discretionary spending the idea of having fun letting your hair down and so how far away is it before we're fully returned to normal? >> well i think it's going to

be a while but you know charles las vegas feeds an awful lot of people every year. we're really good at these logistics so i'm in the venetian and there's this whole program clean the venetian and even the cleveland clinic is involved in making sure that it's safe but there's about 800 all safety -related procedures that are now implemented in the casinos, right from taking your temperature when you walk in, contactless check-in, limit ed people in elevators, sanitized rooms, sanitized dice, sanitized card, sanitized chips and then of course spacing at all of the tables. it's a different environment but you know charles it's still fun. charles: you know, i did read where masks were optional. how is that going to work if we're all crowded up at the crap s table and jon taffer is on one of his good runs where he hits seven ten times in a row. what do we do then? >> [laughter] i haven't had that run yet, charles, but there is spacing at

all of the tables. so there is social distancing, so you're not standing next to anyone, you're dealing with sanitized ice. it really is safe. charles, 800 procedures, just for card handling, dice handling , positioning people. i'm comfortable playing. i think it's safe and i'm one whose not so quick to jump into that premise. i'm convinced that it's safe all of the steps we're taking have created an environment that's safe but we're still las vegas and that's the fun part of it charles. it's still fun. charles: all right, all right let me broaden this out to restaurants in general. you know, jpmorgan did a big exhaustive research on small businesses saying that average small business has a 27-day cash buffer, but restaurants only have 16 days, they are the lowest on the scale, they live and die day-to-day and in many places they aren't even taking reservations, still los angeles, new york, san francisco , and some are back,

san antonio reservations 61% of restaurants are back up. what do we say to these restaurants who are holding on by a thread right now? >> well you know, they are all waiting for customers to come and many of them can't facilitate the delivery volume to replace what they've lost inside, charles. i'm the one whose very concerned that we could lose over 30% of the restaurants across the country because you're right they don't have the bandwidth to last this long. charles: well you know you are talking about measures being put in a place right there in vegas over 800 measures and places where cities are open, we've actually seen some even increase the number of tables from initial projections. there are a lot of cities that are still resisting this , if you can speak to these mayors, speak to these governors, what would you tell them about maybe letting these restaurants open with extreme safety precautions? >> well i think that's what has to happen. look here in las vegas we're

open with the safety precautions and people are starting to come. this can be done, so to not give us the opportunity to do it seem s completely wrong, charles we're a responsible industry. the restaurant and the hospitality industry has dealt with bacteria which is another invisible enemy since our inception. we know how to clean surfaces, we know how to use our cleaning chemicals and look at las vegas who sees tens of thousands of people a day, without anyone getting sick. i believe we've got this , charles. now the government needs to let us do what we do well. let us open. let us prove to the marketplace how safe we can be and watch how responsible the customers will be when we are too. charles: amen brother jon taffer always great seeing you talk to you again real soon. call me when you get on that lucky streak. >> thank you, charles. charles: meanwhile folks lawmakers talking about passing more stimulus funds but the strong jobs report actually shows no stimulus is needed we'll ask georgia's republican

senator david purdue, he's next.

charles: will there be another stimulus package? >> yeah, there definitely will be. charles: white house economic advisor kevin hassett says there will be more stimulus coming even though that jobs number was better than anyone expected. joining me now to discuss is georgia republican senator david purdue. senator purdue thanks for joining us. you know, obviously, that was a major surprise and it wasn't the only surprise in the economic data the last month , almost every piece of data that's come in has been far better than wall street anticipated, but the carnage is still significant. where does that leave washington d.c. with respect to putting more money into society? >> well, charles good morning. first of all i think this report is very encouraging. we thought it might be as much

as 8 million jobs lost and instead it was about 2.5 approximately, new jobs created the largest-ever we think right now. i think that's several things, charles. one, the ppp program is working there's a pent-up demand out here and i really think people want to get back to work and so we are about half way through the full allocation of this $2.9 trillion in the cares act and all of the relief work we've been doing over the last three months only about half of it has been disseminated so far so we want to see how this jobs report is one of the variables we look at but it's early and we've got a lot of work to do. charles we can learn from other countries ahead of us in the cycle and learn from our military and learn from essential workers who have been operating all along with the protocols of safety that we were, that have been designated by public health official. we can do this if we follow the guidelines and reopen the economy which is what the president's three-phase plan approach is all about. charles: there's no talking about that, but the participation rate is still

6 million less than it was in february, and total jobs are down 21.5 million from february. i think what really was magical about what's happening right now is the swiftness. we remembered during the great recession that took three to four months for the federal government to help main street. this time it took three to four weeks. are you concerned about waiting for data or becoming too data- dependent that you can't get ahead of a slump of a recurring slump? >> well there's always that danger, charles but first of all , let's applaud the real hero s in this thing and the ppp program you just mentioned it took several months before back in the great recession 10 years ago to get relief out there and this one because of community banks and by the way those community banks have been saying by this bipartisan bill we passed in january of 2018 prior to that, because of dodd-frank we killed 4,000 community banks and we went from 800 approved lenders to 5,000 in a matter of a few weeks and they

put out over 5 million loans averaging $116,000, $510 billion is in that ppp program, that's already been disseminated and we haven't put any money out yet in the main street program so half the money is still to come in the current allocation, so i think there's enough energy in here. now we may have to pump up the ppp program a little bit if we have some future need but we've extended the time that they can use it from eight weeks to 24 weeks, and the time to pay it back from two months or two years to five years, and it's much more flexible now, and we can see that there's a possibility that we might be able to reprogram some main street money back into the pppp program without having to appropriate new funds but the biggest problem we have to reopening the economy charles is the liability issue and that's what we're debating in congress. we've been fully functional now over the last month. i've been traveling on airlines, eating in restaurants in georgia over the last month and people are ready to get this economy open and we can do it if we

protect the most vulnerable and follow the protocols that have been laid out that our essential workers have been following all along. charles: president trump has expressed a desire though to provide more funds and i think maybe we changed the language a little bit instead of calling it before i think everything we consider relief, but maybe perhaps stimulus to truly get us over the hump to truly get the households to spend that $6 trillion, he seems like he wants to do it but i feel like there's a lot of republican pushback. in an election year, how banker us is it not to come up with extra funding knowing that the economy could still stumble before november? >> well the thing that separate s republicans from democrats in my view, charles is the sense of fiscal responsibility. i mean, we have $23 trillion of debt, we have well over a trillion dollars shortfall every year our mandatory expenses, our trust funds are in danger of becoming totally insolvent so

these are responsibilities we need to be very very careful with. charles: sir? i'm out of time, but we're going to definitely continue to pick this up. i hear where you're coming from i'm not sure the american public is concerned about debt and deficits at this moment, but we do commend the administration, because we are coming out of this a lot faster than anyone thought. we appreciate your time. thank you so much senator. >> thanks charles. charles: protests continuing folks nationwide why one medical professional says the largest gathering of protests is creating a dangerous situation and it's not, its got nothing to do with violence and looting, next. this moment. this moment right now... this is our commencement. no, we'll not get a diploma or a degree of any kind. but we are entering a new chapter in our lives. our confidence is shaken; our hearts cracked.

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charles: cdc director robert redfeld issuing a warning amid these nationwide protests calling demonstrations a potential seeding event for the coronavirus, but what does my next guest think joining us dr. craig spencer global health and emergency medical medicine director at new york presbyterian. dr. spencer thanks for joining us it's really an intriguing world we're in right now where we saw protests to reopen the economy being shutdown by health officials, and now a lot of folks saying well don't worry about the protests it's somewhat different. it doesn't look different, how much danger are we in? >> you're right, public health messaging needs to be consistent and not contradictory and it is clear having mass gatherings is a risk factor for spread . the underlying reality right now is that we are still at around 20,000 new cases of coronavirus every single day, a level that we've been at since at least late march, and we're still having around 1,000 deaths per

day, meaning that by the time this show airs next week, more people will have died in the united states from coronavirus than died during world war one. even if there are protests going on even if there are other things that are happening we're trying to reopen we need to recognize that covid has not gone away. it still continues to circulate and it still continues to disproportionately impact correctional facilities, meat packing industries, nursing homes indigenous communities and black and brown communities across the country so you're right there's a lot of discussion around what is the public health impact of these protests but it's important to remember that covid has not left us and will continue to circulate in our communities of course. charles: in the meantime of course we read about these other countries around the world and we try to be informed by their vietnam they had zero deaths but 100% surveillance and japan coming back, this monday, declared victory to japanese way where they didn't have lockdowns

enforced and of course in america the notion is we'll have to learn how to live with this so what is the best way to actually go about living with the covid-19 situation and trying to restart and have a thriving economy? >> it's a really good question because those places you mentioned and other places that have controlled this really well have had a very different approach some locked down some didn't, some did a lot of testing some didn't. the question is what is going to work for us based on how we seen this disease over the past couple of months, what we know about abdomen how we can prepare the answer to your question is how can we be prepared is that we need to really be prepared. we were slow in responding to this crisis we had a delay in getting testing done, we had a delay in really implementing a lot of the social distancing and lockdown measures that were effective in places like new york city where i work and saw the impact of coronavirus. what we need to be doing right now that we thankfully do have a decrease in the number of cases although still really high number, we need to be thinking about the next steps and think about our messaging and think

about novel ideas like testing, isolation, and tracing, doing bread and butter public health work, that is going to help us prevent having to go into another full scale lockdown like we did before, but still be able to keep the number of cases down you're right this is going to continue to circulate. we have this in our life for the next few months and maybe next few years. charles: yeah, there's no doubt about that. dr. spencer, thank you very much really appreciate it folks, and mixed messages to really confounding this situation but i think we are going to have to learn to live with it and the good news is we are. coming up in our next hour, labor secretary eugene scalia tells us if yesterday's stunning jobs report is just the start of a huge summer recovery but first, we will be going live to the birth place of george floyd in north carolina where a public viewing is just moments away. stock slices.

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>> a public viewing of george floyd is getting underway right now in raeford, north carolina, the state where he was born. this as protests nationwide continues. jonathan serrie joins us from north carolina with more. >> hi, charles, as you can see behind me, there's a huge outpouring of support here, people pouring into this very small church, a line wrapping around the church property and in fact, people having to park in overflow lots and taking tour buses to this church, that's how many people have shown up to pay their respects for the viewing. the viewing will be for a private memorial for family members at 3:00, one of three

memorials across the country. the first memorial took place thursday in minneapolis where george floyd died in handcuffs pleading for air as a white police officer pressed a knee to his neck. >> what happened to floyd happens every day in this country in education, in health ver services and in every area of american life. it's time for us to stand up in george's name and say get your knee off our necks. >> video of the fatal incident sparked protests in cities big and small in the u.s. and around the world. earlier today there was a large demonstration in sydney, australia. at today's memorial, the sheriff is asking to wear a face mask and to refrain from protesting and explained that this is a time to remember the life he lived and expressions

of kindness. and george floyd was born in north carolina and still has family here. although he was from houston, texas where another visitation will take place on monday followed by another memorial followed on tuesday. back to you. charles: as protests continue, officials in minneapolis announced a plan to ban choke holds by police. matt has the details. >> charles, minneapolis police will ban chokeholds, neck restraint and require officers to intervene in situations like george floyd's. all of the new proposals have to be approved by a judge and right now we're at the site where george floyd passed away and there have been ongoing memorials and peaceful demonstrations and prayer circles. the minneapolis city council met yesterday in an emergency meeting in which it passed those new proposals and at least three minneapolis city

council members have banded together insisting they will dismantle the minneapolis police department. minneapolis council member jeremiah ellison, the son of the state attorney general tweeted that police are bankrupting the city and gutting taxpayers of money with massive budgets in settlements and tweeted we are going to dismantle the minneapolis police department and when we're done, we're not simply going to glue it back together. we're doctoring to dramatically rethink how we look at public safety and emergency response, it's really past due. however, the minneapolis mayor jacob fry says he will not abolish the police department, but is committed to deep structural reforms addressing systemic racism. >> we have to be on the precipice of change and that there are forms that are generations past due. so we need to see this moment and channel our collective pain into collective action and that begins right now. >> here in minneapolis, the city this saturday afternoon,

is trying to recover and assess the extensive destruction left from the riots. the mayor estimates at least $55 million in damage and the a.t.f. released new videos of arson suspects and asking people to submit any eyewitness video they might have of properties burning and there was basically a week long curfew here and after a couple of peaceful nights, the state's safety department says they will no longer be enforcing a curfew in the twin cities, charles. charles: matt, thank you very much. new calls for peaceful protests in the wake of violence and looting across this country this week. that's something my next guest's uncle and father preached on civil rights in the 1960's. and alvita king is a good friend of mine and just overall. i don't know about you, but

i've been a ball of emotions. sadness, anger, frustration, and some hopefulness. how are you feeling about all of this? >> charles, hello, i have experienced all of those emotions. yesterday, today even. the prefer at the memorial service said in the name of george floyd, take your knee off our necks. i say it this way, and my granddaddy was a prefer, and my daddy ab king and uncle ml king. in the name of jesus i call for justice, call first for peace, for unity and justice. and mercy. in the name of jesus, stop the violence. stop the violence. we can protest peacefully, charles, and we must, but the violence will not -- we've got to do this with god and you already know we've had this conversation, there's one human

race, skin color wouldn't determine that, it's the blood from the human. we're one human race and we must learn to live together as brothers, as my uncle said, i'll add sister, for perish together. we cannot do that with violence. charles: we've been through episodes like this before in the past, of course, and often coming out of them, commentators would say, maybe we're on the track to something better. i believe this time we probably could be because i look at the composition of people who are peacefully protesting. i look at the cities where some of the protests are occurring and i think that there's a generation out there that wants to legitimately, sincerely make things better. how do they go about actually achieving that. >> charles, you said people, you didn't break it into category. skin color, age, male, female. you said people. so people really seeing each other. you can't be color blind

because you have to see color in everything else, but see me, hear me and when you hear me, we can communicate. so, each person. you start with yourself, examine your own heart and then talk to your family, your friends, your co-workers. go back to church and get church on social media at least and communicate. as you communicate, and communicate with your leaders. the leaders, we should be out among you. i get out and pray right in the streets. so, do your part. one on one, one by one, and into a community of listeners, people who communicate and listen and solve the problems together. charles: alveda, you broke up a little bit there. i do want to ask and i hope your system is still up, but when we do look, and when we're introspective, when we're looking at ourselves, is there something specific rewe should

do? how are we supposed to be honest with ourselves. it feels as we as a fractured nation and fractured people, how do we find a way to heal ourselves? >> charles, when i look in my mirror, i say to me, am i racist? do i see the black race only or see the human, the human personality, from the womb to the tomb, from george floyds, in the womb, the old, sick, elderly, the rich, am i ready to fight people or ready to love people? i start with me. and when i see me, then i could look at you, charles and i could be reflected back in your eyes and you could be reflected back in my eyes. i can do this other way, you know, i'm an evangelist, start with yourself and people in your circle and begin to seek peace. begin to listen and give compassion and give love. that sound real simple. it's not going to be the ppp,

we all need help, we as human beings are going to have to regard each other, love each other and we can do this. charles: all right. my great fear, and i think the only thing that can hurt what's happening now, the good part that's coming out of this tragedy, are politicians and the media. when i to gole channels on the news and i watch what's being done and said and stoking the flames and finger pointing, it angers me to such a degree. i'm so angry that people are hijacking this, not antifa, not any of the other fridge elements, i'm talking about the media and politician toss make things worse because they think it enhances their own power. >> you know what, charles, be angry, that's good. and say not, fear not. instead of fear use faith and use love. be angry and use your anger to heal. and do that same adrenalin that makes you scared and angry can

also strengthen you. and so your words do have power. you have a platform. admitting publicly, i'm angry, too. what are we going to do? you've given me a platform and i'm going to preach with it, use that anger for good. anger for good does work and do it peacefully. you can pray, your march, you can vote. you can do all of that. charles: all right. alveda, i've got less than a minute to go, you know, from 1968 to 78 to 88 to '98, things didn't really change much. do you think we'll look back 10 years from now and say things changed a whole lot? >> thanks changed because charles payne and alveda king admitted we're angry and we want to do good with it. that's a change in and of itself. overcoming evil with good. it will get better, yes, it will. charles: god bless you, alveda,

i love speaking with you and i think the audience loves you as well. always appreciate it, the president reagan time for and we always appreciate it and the time now. and comments from the andrew cuomo, feels is disgraceful. that's next.

>> protests continuing in new york city, as that city begins to phase-- phase one reopening on monday, arab arab ishah hasnie is in the big apple. >> we want to get to breaking news out of buffalo, new york where the two buffalo police officers were just arraigned in the last couple of minutes here and they have been charged now officially. officers robert mccabe and officer aaron torgalski charged

with assault in the second degree. this is a class d felony. a not guilty plea was made on their behalf for both of the officers. they will be released now back to their homes until their next hearing, which happens in july. so that update coming from buffalo. these are the two officers caught on video shoving a 75-year-old activist to the ground, a pool of blood surrounds him when he hits the pavement and they decided not to fire them. in the meantime, in new york city, the manhattan d.a. dropping a bombshell. the d.a. will not prosecute protesters anymore on low level offenses. that's like breaking curfew. a statement reads in part the pro prosecution of protesters undermines the community we serve. last night the n.y.p.d. arrested about 40 people,

protesters chaptnting drop the curfew and growing cries from essential workers detained and arrested apparently. some believe the curfew is only making matters worse. listen. >> trying to use the curfew as a way to arrest people. it's deeper than that. and we're dealing with a pandemic, they tried to implement the curfew and they didn't listen. >> the mayor facing a lawsuit over this curfew. the new york immigration coalition says the curfew resulted in the unconstitutional arrest of a number of law abiding people. and several city council members are calling to cancel the curfew. for now it remains until monday morning when the city, as you said, enters its phase one of reopening because remember, we're still in this pandemic. charles. charles: yes, we are, thank you very much. new york city police

commission commissioner is telling neil cavuto earlier this week he was not happy with governor andrew cuomo bashing the way that the police force was handling looters and rioters, take a listen. >> you might have heard what the governor had to say, the police in new york city were not effective at doing their job last night. what did you think of that? >> any comments that are placing the game for where we are with this situation on the backs of the men and women of this police department, that are putting their lives on the line, neil, i think is disgraceful and he should be ashamed of himself. it's politics and there's what's right and that is is disgraceful comment. charles: here with more on the war of words is former new york republican governor george pataki. thank you for joining us. it has been amazing to watch the push and pull between

cuomo, governor cuomo, new york city's mayor and of course, everyone watching the ebb and flow of the daily violence and peaceful and then at night the scenes of saks fifth avenue boarded up, razor wire and guards with dogs, what the heck is going on here? >> charles, i have to tell you it is extremely sad. for someone like me who cares about the city, tried for over a decade to make it a better place, just to see the utter inept political leadership at every single level is really, really tragic. it's the mayor, it's the governor, it's the district attorney, but it's not the police. they're the ones caught in the middle. just let me just give you one example. they can arrest someone for first degree rioting, a felony. that person cannot be held on bail. they have to be released with what is called an appearance ticket. so hundreds and hundreds of

rioters, not protesters, rioters and looters have been arrested by the police and they're let out the same day. so, the police are caught in the middle. there's utter inept political leadership on every level in new york and i pray that our great city, one of the symbols of america is going to be able to come back when this is behind us. charles: yeah, and this move with respect to bail had been already going on in new york city even before the coronavirus and then of course, the protests and the riots and looting. and it was a head scratcher for many people because you do have really dangerous folks who are going right back out and committing crimes the very next day. some have done it on social media. some have laughed, thumbed their nose up at the mayor, at the system, acknowledginacknowl, i'm going to do something awful and i'll be back in 24 hours. >> charles, it's worse than

that, people charged with with a felony released within an hour and the same day go out and commit another felony. and this is not the police's fault. governor cuomo rammed this through in new york stay, first degree rioting, you cannot detain them, you have to release with no bail. first degree assault, a felony, you have to release them with no bail. aggravated criminal mischief, a felony, release them with no bail. and yet, the police are being criticized. the police are doing everything in their power with the law that is awful and leadership that is utterly incompetent. charles: governor, a big push now in new york to remove any sort of police presence inside of schools. what are your thoughts on that? >> you know, it's utterly absurd. the police are there to protect us and they have done a phenomenal job of protecting us. just imagine what new york would look like for one week

without police and there are some idiots on the left saying defund the police, how brilliant is that? we would see violent crime go through the roof. now, when i took office as governor, there were virtually 3,000 a murders a year in new york city. because of changes in the law and effective police, that was down to under 300. thousands of lives saved every year by the police and the law stood behind it. we don't have the police, don't have the law, get rid of the police we'll see chaos in the streets of new york. charles: the very people calling for it to get rid of it, will be the first ones calling for them to bring it back. governor, thank you very much. lifting the lockdowns is clearly lifting jobs, but is more help needed for workers? is it on the way? labor secretary eugene scalia is next. for action. that's why usaa is giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance

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>> now, they thought the number would be a loss of 9 million jobs and it was a gain of almost 3 million jobs. we have been talking about the v, this is better than a v, this is a rocket ship. this is far better than a v. a v is this, will it be a v, a u, an l. they had no idea. charles: president trump touting the jobs report. 2.5 million. dropping from 14.7 to 13.3%. we have a ways to go, but a v-shaped recovery is happening. the question, is it here to stay? i want to bring in labor secretary eugene scalia. thank you for joining us. i think we're all naturally concerned about being too optimistic, despite the fact that that was by far a jobs report that no one had anticipated to be that good.

>> well, it's a great jobs report, charles and it's good to join you. absolutely good news and we shouldn't feel bad about feeling good, celebrating. it's just an outstanding jobs report, much better than expected. i will say it's not a complete surprise in the sense that we knew we had an incredibly strong economy. we knew we were taking measures to temporarily shut it down. and we knew it could come back strong. what surprised me was it came back sooner than expected and stronger than expected, but you're right, there's still work to be done. there are still people out of work and we need to look after them and keep building back this economy. charles: yeah, the total unemployed, 21.5 million less than february. just to show the magnitude of what's happened when you completely shut down an overall economy. and now the debate goes on in washington d.c. about further stimulus. where do you stand on this? i'm worried if they cut off the spigots right now, not only

would it leave the country vulnerable, but i believe if there's a little bit more nudging, households would start to spend that $6 trillion they're sitting on and we could get that rocket ship that president trump described. >> well, charles, i think the report we put out from the labor department yesterday shows that that rocket ship is moving in a good pace and i expect that the report we put out a front from now, for the month of june, will be at least as strong. i think that the trend is very good right now, and it's in part because the measures the president took back in march less noted yesterday, as you know the president signed a further refinement of the paycheck protection program, which is one of those cares act measures that's been so good in positioning the economy for the recovery. so what i say was, let's watch what's happening carefully over the next few weeks and then assess what more, if anything, needs to be done. charles: of course, this week

we saw for resulting after the death of george floyd, and the protests around this country, a lot of private businesses, large corporations are saying they're going to change things. a lot of companies are writing checks, and then there's a lot of people out there saying what else can the government do, what else could the federal government do? i mean, i think it goes underreported some of the things that the trump administration has done, whether it's saving historically black colleges, to opportunity zones, but are there other things on the drawing board that might be specific to help certain pockets of society? >> well, first of all, let's go back to february, march when the economy was so, so strong. one of the things that meant the most to the president, the president was most proud of was how good the economy was americans who historically had had fewer opportunities in the job market.

particularly we had record low unemployment african-americans, record low for hispanic americans and the free markets, free people. that needs to stay at the top of the agenda when we talk about continuing to help those communities. that said, you're right. there has been damage, devastation to businesses, jobs, in some of those communities and i think, it makes sense to take a look how they're doing and what might be done to help them make sure they're part of this recovery, too. charles: i think also what is amazing what happened last month. it's not just the jobs report. almost every economic indicator i looked at came in stronger than anticipated, this is happening with major population centers still on complete lockdown. new york is going to open soon, i would suspect one day california will open up, maybe michigan. speak about what that could mean in terms of adding fuel to

this rocket ship? >> well, the report we put out yesterday was just through about the middle of may and we know that a lot of the most important reopenings didn't begin until later in the month or earlier this month or still are to take place. one number that i looked at was health care jobs. we lost 1.4 million health care jobs. we only got maybe 350, 400,000 back. they're all going to come back and there's still so much room to spring back in this economy. we need to work at it. we can't forget how high unemployment still is at the moment. we've got to work at bringing that number down, but all signs right now are very positive for a strong and a safe recovery back. charles: right. and to be clear then, you're not sure that there'll be additional efforts from washington d.c., any stimulus/relief efforts at this point?

>> i think that it's probably not the case that we've seen the last bill to address hardship and challenges that resulted from the virus, but i don't know what shape any further legislation should take at this point and one lesson from the virus has been how fast moving, how fluid things are. so let's watch this really good situation continue to develop. charles: all right. secretary scalia, thank you very much. so, are democrats worried that this big jobs report is going to help the president keep his job? former obama advisor robert wolf is next.

>> well, we just talked about the economy rebounding in a big way right now. so should democrats be worrying that this could hurt them in november? especially with the new fox news poll showing voters trust president trump over joe biden when it comes to the economy. and here to discuss is former obama economic advisor former ubs ceo robert wolf. robert, you know, it's interesting, on may 26th, jason furm furman, your old colleague in the obama administration said or wrote some of ominously that the way things look like they were coming back, president trump could really have the wind in his sails in terms of the economy going into november and he voiced some real concern about that. >> yeah, listen, charles, thanks for having me on. yesterday was a great day

versus expectations, but i don't think we should be spiking the ball, right? we have 20 million more people unemployed since the pandemic. if you look at the numbers yesterday of the two and a half million that came back, that was the exact amount of temporary workers and 60% was leisure and hospitality coming back that got government aid. so, i think that we still have underemployed and unemployment at 20% and we add over 100,000 small businesses close. so, yes, yes, yesterday was a great day versus expectations, but no one could say that a 30% increase versus the worst time of the great recession is spiking the ball or a rocket ship. so i'm a capitalist. i want us to have a great economy. i want jobs to come back, but we're still at 13% unemployed and 20% unemployed and underemployed. charles: the momentum that's going on right now, if it were to continue and let's assume

new york opens on monday, it's scheduled to open on metropolitan. that's a pretty big population, a big powerful economic center. let's talk about california maybe reopening, michigan may be reopening. there is a chance that this whole thing could actually pick up momentum, robert, and yes, the numbers are dire, but amazing in february and maybe we have enough of a platform to give back. we won't get it all back, but when people were talking about 8, 9, 10 million losing their jobs last month. it feels like we're headed into the right direction, faster than anyone anticipated? >> yeah, that i would agree with. no question. listen, i'm not an economist, i'm a businessman, we have investments in over 40 companies so our goal is to keep the companies thriving, to keep them open, to get more people working at higher wages. that's good for all of us, but the question that you and i talked about often is, we're still a consumer-led country.

70 plus percent of our gdp is consumer driven. unemployment is still somewhere between 13 and 20%. we need to make sure that we get those jobs back, that small businesses stay open and we need a cares act 4.0. we need to do more than we're doing to keep the momentum. yesterday's headline was beyond expectation, but we're not out of the woods and for us to get out of the woods, we need small businesses coming back. charles: well, you know, and i think president trump would agree with you. just yesterday he talked on more than one occasion about additional stimulus, perhaps in the $1 trillion range. there's haggling whoever what composition would be. do we need to have mail-in voting as any kind of legislation. business and consumers-- i for the payroll tax, that's

too premature, payroll tax is for those employed. i would wait until unemployment gets in the 6, 7% range, right now i would go with stimulus that helps small businesses stay open, extend credit lines and wages and make sure, charles, that we give money to the states. as we saw yesterday's numbers, we lost half a million jobs in states, teachers, firemen, police. we need to make sure that health care and first responders, education is ready to go when this recovery takes off again. so those will be the two i focus on. charles: yeah. we all want to help first responders, teachers, and so forth. i'm not sure though that a taxpayer in idaho wants to pay for a sanctuary city or state status of a new york or a california and we all know money is fungible, but the federal reserve-- the federal reserve seems to be filling that void anyway. >> charles, you know seven of the top 10 states that have

been getting most aid actually are red states, right? we're talking kentucky, west virginia, these aren't sanctuary cities. charles: no, i'm talking about illinois, which is on the precipice of collapse and they were the first one to go to the well for the federal reserve and i think new york is going to the well. the most vulnerable states with the largest populations, everyone wants to help them, but everyone's also afraid, 0 are concerned that the money will be misallocated. >> yeah, i agree, that money is fungible, i'm not talking about stemming state pensions. i'm talking about where money is needed. as you know, new york city has been a giver to the federal government. kentucky, west virginia, they have been a taker from the federal government. so we can just look at the facts where states are giving and getting money, but i would agree with you, we have to make sure that it's going to those impacted by covid. charles: we've got it leave it there. no one wants to bail out those crazy pensions or those policies that not everyone agrees with, but we -- okay,

we've got to leave it there, robert. i think we both agree more stimulus is needed and i think that's a big first step. speaking of first steps, the costly cleanup as we speak for businesses targeted by looters, including three restaurants owned by former nfl player jack brewer. jack is next. but this, this is the future. the future of communicating of hearing and connecting with life. and this, is eargo. no appointments no waiting no hassles. eargos are comfortable, rechargeable and backed by lifetime professional support. and they are practically invisible in your ear now you see it. now you don't. if you have hearing loss now is the time to do something about it. because denying you have hearing loss, well that's the old way we're here and ready to help you with your hearing loss.

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>> cities across the u.s. still reeling from riots this week and in minneapolis alone, the cost of looting and damage to buildings is set to be at least $55 million. my next guest says three restaurants that had been caught in the fray. jack brewer. you penned an article -- let's start with your restaurants and destruction, particularly in minneapolis and what should be done next? >> i know, it's a tough situation. you know, our group is fortunate, you know, we have a

portfolio of about 15 restaurants and we're well-insured, have things in place. for us, you know, we're thinking about those communities that don't have that, you know, those small business, one-off businesses in primarily black communities in minneapolis that have been burnt to the ground and looted, and now folks in those communities don't have essential goods that they need in the source in their neighborhoods. it's sad. we've actually started to try to help those folks around those communities as well and just hopefully folks can come together and understand the seriousness of what took place. charles: i know that there's been some local efforts in minneapolis, i know that some of these individual businesses have go-fund-me pages, we know about the firefighter who saved up his life savings and on the very first night of rioting and looting, lost it all or had severe damage to his dream even as he was interviewed, people were trying to steal his safe

so how do you turn this around and get folks to support these businesses that, you know, you're calling for justice and economic justice, it should begin with the person that set the blueprint on how you should live your life. >> definitely. 100%. it starts at the top, it starts with the mayor. you know, there was over 88 buildings burned, so that's 88 arsons, hundreds looted. these are the rule numbers and this is not a massive city. so, i think there needs to be justice and you know, we also need to respect the peaceful protesters. and you know, this takes away from them. he think we should be praising the peaceful protesters, but they should be standing against the looters as well. >> yeah, unfortunately, they would go home at night and the looters would come out at night. i want to shift gears. the nfl, there's been a lot including commissioner goodell who just released a statement on friday admitting he was

wrong to not listen to kneeling protests sooner. does that mean we'll see a lot more kneeling this fall? and what would be the implications? >> we could. this is america so however someone wants to protest, if they want to protest in their heart, they have the right to do so, they have to pay the consequences for that, then that happens, but you know, i think that all of this is a distraction, charles. it takes us away from the real focus. the real focus of what we need to do to have systemic changes in our country and that means serving. we can keep pointing at race and class and all of these other issues, but at theened of the day we have poor people in america, sick people in america, oppressed people in america. if we serve the oppressed like the bible says, walk like jesus and serve the poor, all of these issues would go away. love would pour into our hearts, we won't see race.

the ceo that put out a statement 95.5% of our dna is the same. charles, we're all of the human race and we just have to realize that and stop focusing on all of these flag debates and what did trump say and what's been tweeted and start talking about serving again. we need to get back to serving. and let's start living our words through the work of our hands. charles: right. right. and of course, you just run an op-ed about this title, george floyd, denying systemic racism and doing something about it, less than a minute to go, the drew brees situation, as friendships, potential co-workers, people work together and don't know each other. is there something we can learn from all of that? >> it is. you know, drew brees gave millions of dollars to new orleans after katrina, one of the biggest black populations in america. drew brees is not a racist. drew brees is not the problem. the nfl is not the problem.

colin cop kaepernick is it not the problem, we have to come together and love again. and word of god, comfort our neighbors as god comforted us and let's comfort and love each other again. charles: all right. jack brewer, always a pleasure, thank you. there was a war that started three years of russia investigation that turned up nolf colluding. did rod rosenstein just admit that it was all for nothing. >> if you knew then what you know now, would you have signed the application? >> no, i would not. i got an oriole here.

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>> if you knew then what you know now would have signed the

warrant application? >> no, i would not. charles: former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein dropping a bombshell on capitol hill. he said he would not sign a fisa warrant for page carter had he been aware of the fbi's misconduct surrounding those warrants. and tom dupuis joins us now on this jarring admission. there's so much news out there, we forget how polarizing and split the nation was on this and how long this farce went on. this was a major admission this week. >> you're right, charles, it's hard not to get this drown out in the caw caucaphony of the

other news. if he were aware of the facts, underlying that application for surveillance sha was put on his desk for his signature. charles: so, tom, where do we go from here? there are still millions and millions and millions of americans who want real justice, who want to understand what happened. you know, if this was a massive farce pulled on the american public at the highest ranks of our government officials, we need to know. >> well, i think there are two things we're going to see unfold in the near future, the first of course there are pending investigations, including the durham investigation, that i think will go a long way toward illuminating what was going on behind closed doors at the fbi in 2016. i see other things we're going to see in the months ahead is renewed action on the hill to reform the surveillance laws of the united states. i think that's this whole episode, everyone can probably agree on, is that the surveillance laws are seriously

in need of form. when you can have it carried out on the basis of bad facts, bad evidence, we need something to prevent that from happening again. charles: the reform you're talking about, or potential reform, seems to be creating strange bed fellows. there are those on both sides of the aisle that it should be for some reasons. it worries me because maybe it's dragged on with no material changes. >> well, that wouldn't be first time something like that happens. what i would say, we absolutely need to have tough surveillance laws in the united states. if 9/11 taught us anything, we need to have a way to keep apprised what's going on in terms of criminal activities. terror activity, espionage against the united states. but at the sam time we have to

be mindful that these surveillance weapons are powerful and in the hands of unscrupulous people. i hope our friends in congress can strike the right balance, keeping the laws on the books, keeping them available for purposes, but protect dependence abuses and civil liberties. >> absolutely, and of course, accountability. we still want accountability for what was wrong to the american public. it's not about politics, it's to the trust in the system. tom dupu dupree. thank you very much. folks, we will be right back. stock slices.

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memorial service in minneapolis and it touched everyone. we'll be obviously watching this one as well and taking you there. our nation's capital, clouds are now beginning in the second weekend of protest and we'll take you there as well. keep it right here on fox news for all the breaking news. leland: and a fox news alert as we look at protests around the country that are going on right now. massive crowds turning out in cities in what is now the second weekend of protests over george floyd's death. remarkably more peaceful this weekend than last. live pictures in washington d.c. looking from the lincoln memorial down toward the washington monument. crowds beginning to gather there. thousands, if not tens of thousands are expected to attend what could be the city's largest demonstrations yet. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm leland vittert. as a friend told me a couple of days ago, this week h