russians. jesse: that's all for tonight. "justice with judge jeanine" is next. remember i'm watters and this is my world. [♪] judge jeanine: breaking tonight, a live look at the nation's capitol as largely people protest at his hour over the death of george floyd. i'm judge jeanine pirro, thanks forking with with us. let's get right to my open. what happened to george floyd was a torturous and sadistic murder that has been etched into our national consciousness. it can only be handled in one way with zero tolerance. within days minneapolis d.a. mike freeman charged police officer derek chauvin with murder. now all four officers are in

custody for aiding and abetting the second degree murder of george floyd. but should chauvin be charged with murder one. the causing of death will premade takes. some say it's too high a charge. that a jury will compromise, that racism is reflected in injury eve --in jury verdicts. as d.a. my office prosecuted an sister for shooting and killing a black man. the jury in my case didn't think murder was too high a channel and neither did the highest court in new york. unbeknownst to me until after the verdict it was the first of

its kind in new york. george floyd was not resisting arrest. he was complying. even more egregious, he wasn't being arrested for a violent crime. but for allegedly using a counterfeit $20 bill to buy food during a pandemic. as to premade takes like intent, it can be formed in seconds. consider what was going on during the 8 minutes and 46 seconds while the officer chauvin had his knee on george's neck. that knee stayed on george's neck until after he expired. he never let up. george begged him not once or twice, but 16 times to allow him to breathe. he repeatedly and continuously

pleads, i can't breathe, i can't breathe. please please. all of that was in the first five minutes. the other new police officers actually sitting on his back and legs asked chauvin if they should roll george on his side which should give george some breathing room. you can see chauvin periodically shift to get maximum leverage from his left knee on to george's neck while the other offices are on george's back and legs compressing his diaphragm. making it even more difficult for him to breathe. george continues to plead for his life. again an officer asked if they could roll george on to his side, chauvin said no, readjusting his knee into george's neck.

chauvin's own right foot moves freely proving the full weight of his body was on -- was on george's neck. witnesses said he can't breathe. they implored chaw swrin to get off his next. they begged the officer to check george's pulse. while this was taking place george repeats, i am through. then he cries in pain. they are going to kill me. please, please. he continues to wail. crying out. please, please. begging, please, man. and then wails again in pain. the passersby continue to say you got him down, let him breathe.

as they plead with chauvin, george says please, your niece is on my neck. chawf vine's response reveals his state of mind. he says get and get in the car. he mocks george repeatedly. george responds. you can't win. my stomach, my neck. george's nose is bleeding now. the witnesses watching in horror say look at his nose, he's bleeding. he not resisting. they say he ain't doing anything. how long are you going to hold him down. put him in the car. joan wails. mama. he cries again. mama. the witness yells you are trapping his breathing bro. i trained in the academy. you are stopping him from breathing. they repeatedly tell chauvin, he

can't breathe. they then start yelling, get him off the ground. chauvin keeps his head focused on his knee and stares at the passersby. one witness says he's enjoying that. you are enjoying that you bum. you are stopping his breathing, you are a bum. the witnesses then start to approach to look at george and say look at his head. chauvin takes out his mace and points it at at least two of them. as one of them says, he's not responsive. chauvin continues to keep his knee on him. the witness says check his pulse and starts yelling. he's dead. check his pulse, they f'ing

killed him. get off his neck. he's not moving. they look at officer powell, are you going to let him keep doing that? this is not just recklessness. this is not just an intentional murder. this is premeditated murder one. chauvin was reminded over and over again that he was snuffing the life out of george floyd. he was reminded by george floyd, begging and wailing for his life. he was reminded by the witnesses and passersby. he was remind as he felt the life of george floyd being expelled under his knee. this is not a man who didn't comprehend or understand the -- the depravity. he didn't roll him off his back to check his pulse to see that his nose was bleeding, to put

him in the car. and everyone of these points. his attention was drawn to what he was doing and he had a chance to stop. he one of these alerts was a trigger that alerted him to the consequences of his actions and was a point of premeditation after which he made the conscious decision to continue. at what point did the premeditation begin? did it begin when chauvin first decide to put his knee to george's neck? there is no procedure or practice that tells police to do this. did it begin when refused to take his knee from george's neck? this is a question of facts for the jury to decide. in the courtroom you tell them to close their eyes in silence for 8 minus and 46 seconds.

that's a long time to form premeditation. a long time to consider it. a long time to continue it. and long enough to steel george floyd's life from him. yes, zero tolerance. bad cops like chauvin deserve zero tolerance. but i will bet you never heard the name david dorn. he, too, was a black man. murdered. shot to death about by looters during these protests as he protected his friend's pawnshop in st. louis. david was a retired 38-year black police captain. like george, there is a video of him dying. bleeding out at 2:30 in the moaning. we need to honor david's life, too. we should be crying for him, too. but why not? he deserves justice.

murder must not be defined in america depending on who killed you. no one is above the law. and no one is below it. that doesn't just apply to the accused, it applied to both victims. both black and both unjustifiably killed. the outrage, however, is only for one. david dorn's life mattered too. there must be see row tolerance for his killer as well. for those of you who want to dismantle and defund police departments, you need to remember the vast majority of police who put their lives on the line every day. consider this. it's the police officer you call when you are in trouble and dial 911. it's a police officer who makes the arrest and consoles the family. it's the police officer who

arrests and stops the drug dealer from selling to your kids. the police officer who removes the child tied to the radiator from the basement. who takes the rape victim to the emergency room. who find the knife used to stab the battered woman. who find the thief who toll your jewelry. who consoled the child who watched his father kill his mother while hiding his own tears. who searches for evidence in that cold case that went unsolved. who arrives on scene when there is a fire, a vehicular accident, a bombing and protests, looting and arson. it's the police officer who never gives up keeping you safe. and yes both america seeks to destroy, dismantle and defund these police. so yes, zero tolerance for monsters like chawf vine, but

don't destroy the thin blue line that protects us from chaos, lawlessness and criminality. i promise you you won't like it. and that's my open. let me know what you think on facebook page and twitter. hashtag judge jeanine. joining me tonight, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and former new york police commissioner bernie kerik. there are protests in washington and new york and other parts of the country. so we'll be showing you have that as we talk tonight. i want to start with this issue of racism and the concept of racism permeating law enforcement. is there a way that we can guarantee or at least make a better effort at making sure that or making people confident that racism isn't a part of law

enforcement? i'll start with you, mr. mayor. >> sure there is. the reality is police brutality in many ways is the tip of the icthe -- iceberg. if you were to solve pfl and had none next year. reasons for the murder of black men would continue. it's 1%. and the rests violence within the community. you can't fool yourself into thinking that you are solving the problem just by doing that. the problem will remain. some of the police brutality is a result of the enormous amount of contact. it doesn't excuse what happens. it just means it will happen more in that community than

somewhere else. you have to get the underlying cause and you have to make certain police officers who act in an illegal way are punished like you just suggested. a first dedwree murder charge here would be entirely justifiable particularly since he was warned about three or four times that he was murdering the man. i don't understand why the prosecutor has such difficulty with it. judge jeanine: the concept that you created and implemented when you were mayor and something that has been copied around the country, and i'll go to you, commissioner kerik i think would assist in assessing and deciding that crimes can be prosecuted without any reference to race or anything else. >> judge, i think that's what a least people don't understand. people say, i heard people --

especially over the last week. cops are going out, they are targeting black men, they are assaulting black men. there is all this conduct. cops don't go to work looking for black targets. cops go to work looking for crime. if you look at what mayor giuliani started in the nypd, we started pin mapping crime throughout the city so we would know where the high priorities are. and where the most violence is and where the highest murder rate. that's where you are sending the cops. back in the 90s when you had 2,200 homicide a year, a lot of that crime, 75% to 0% of that murder was in community of color. where are the cops going to? they are going to those communities to reduce crime. over the 8-year period giuliani

was in period we dropped violent crime by 60% and dropped murder by 70%. but those communities of color had more substantial reductions in violent crime and 80% reduction in murder because that's where the crime was really happening. judge jeanine: i think we have, if we can throw it up on the screen. we have a map that shows the crime area and where the particular crimes were occurring, and that will tell you where you need to go, irrespective of who lives there or what color they are. and that is something, mr. mayor you began that was very, very effective. >> what that really does, and what bernie is explaining is the real reason why at least in new york i can tell you racism is not at all involved.

in those selection. it's certainly not at all systemic. the reason the police are drawn to' more encounters with black men is because other blacks call the police. report it to the police. they are the victims. the victims are drawing the police. these people are not making up the rapes. these are the people that committed the murder, the rape, the assault. it's an unfortunate fact. judge jeanine: i want to move on to what's going on in new york city now. new york the city has -- the police department, nypd has come under tremendous criticism as not being able to handle the looting and the rioting and protests that went on during the

past week. did they handle it well? i will start with you, commissioner? and whose fault is it if they didn't? >> i don't think they handled it well and i think they were following the direction of the mayor who told them he wanted them to take a light touch to dealing with it. you can take a light touch when you are dealing with peaceful protesters. we do peaceful protests very well in the city of nook by the thousands:per year. buff when a peaceful protest turns violent. one rock, one molotov cocktail, one bought, one assault. it's no longer peaceful. at that point it's got to stop, people have to disperse or people have to get locked up. in this case that is not what happened. and they went on a ram page and destroy -- a rampage and destroyed a substantial piece

of new york city. judge jeanine: mr. mayor, it seems like the criticism of deblasio, you said the governor should remove deblasio as incompetent. >> i think he should remove him. he's a danger to the citizens of the city in his inability to make decisions. who you elect has consequences. sometimes it's life and death consequences. his holding the police back made the situation much, much worse. bernie would know better than i do. about a hundred police officers at least have been injured. how many individuals i can't tell you. we had a couple of close incidents where people could have been killed. that didn't have to happen. we haven't had anything like this in 7 years. in -- in 27 years. based on what bernie was talking about.

my theory is you arrest the first one who acts out. judge jeanine: commissioner kerik how many police officers are in the hospital that the mainstream media is not talking about? >> i think about 320 that have been injured. you have some in the hospital. there were over 300 injuries. the thing that scares me, judge. i'm hearing close to 600 cops have either put in their papers or they are talking to the department about resigning or retiring. judge jeanine: mr. mayor, commissioner kerik, we have got to go, but time is short. thank you for being here.

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judge jeanine: a live look at protests over the death of george floyd in washington tonight. counselor to the president, kellyanne conway. i'm sure you are very happy, very pleased about the positive jobs report.

what does it portend for the viewers watching the show tonight? >> the great american comeback has already started ahead of schedule. obviously prepandemic the trump economy lifted so many different boats. the energy dominance, tax cuts, and the president's policies that allows small businesses to form and to you ar flourish. more businesses and consumers saying they had confidence. then we got hit with a global pandemic. but the same man who created the historic economy is creating the rebound of the historic economy. the predictors and the forecasters all say the same thing. nod in agreement like bobble head dolls. and they got it wrong. that's the strongest jobs report

in history. you would have to go back to 1973. jobs and industries particularly hard hit by the pandemic like leisure and travel are coming back. 50% of the jobs in this may report are in leisure and travel. education and healthcare services on the rise. let me end on this. yesterday the president took action to extend the time period by which small businesses could use the ppp. this crown civil economic advisors tell us 73% of small businesses are up and operating. at the height of the pandemic it was 52%. contrast the policies of liberal policies that would hurt small business survival.

and the policies joe biden is putting forward would bring us back in our economy. thank you for your opening on george floyd, it was compelling and i applaud you for say that as you did. judge jeanine: thank you. i think what we have got in this country is a concern for things that are not as easy as people think they are. but talking about that, what about muriel bowser. she has a mural painted within a couple blocks of the white house saying black lives matter. she ends up flowing out the national guard from one of the hotels. the guardsmen came in i understand from utah. everybody is so ungrateful. you are caught in a situation where you need the fashion at guard and there is this tension. but we are still coming back and the economy is going to come

back. how is this going to affect the president? >> the president has weighed in on that particular topic. i think it's unfortunate when mayors and governments who have been on call after call with the vice president and president trump on a number of those calls. i have probably attended all but three or four or five of them. i can tell you most of them are grateful. they are saying thank you for this. here is what else we are seeing. we made all of our health experts and economists available top each of them. i think there is great unrest in different parts of this country and i believe that we all want equality and justice for all. that's what this country is founded on. we should each be fighting for that. earlier in the week violence broke out in our major cities. everybody has seen the video footage.

they shouldn't look away from that any more than they should look away at the 8 minutes and 42 seconds of george floyd's death. people are finding their voice on problems. i hope they will continue to find their voice and homelessness and poverty and struggles people are feeling in main cities as well. so the president continues to work with paul the leaders of the states. and states presented their plan for re-opening and we are helping them with that and we continue to. judge jeanine: kellyanne conway, thanks so much. up next, congressman jim jordan on the bombshell rosenstein testimony. whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand.

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to draw millions of people to the march. new york city being relatively calm today. this after 2,500 arrests were made earlier in the week. stay with fox news as we continue to update you on the nationwide protest throughout the night. for now, i'm jackie ibanez. now back to "justice with judge jeanine." judge jeanine: the incoming trump administration -- good evening, congressman. let's talk about what happened this week and the testimony that you heard about rod rosenstein. he's the guy we haven't heard from. tell the viewers what he said this week. >> when senator graham asked him if there was anything there he said no there wasn't.

but you had the acting attorney general rod rosenstein name the special counsel, expand the scope of the special counsel and remember rob rhoden stein signed one of the fisa we niewls on carter page -- renewals on carder page. yet there was nothing there. jim comey told us there was nothing there. yet they let all this happen and put our country through three years of what we lived through. that's the frustrating part, judge. i think rod rosenstein just caved to the swamp. i think he was afraid to stand up to where everyone in that town wanted to go. everyone in the media wanted to do it except people like you, judge. and there were republicans who wanted to do it. and rosenstein let it happen. judge jeanine: you are saying he didn't think there was any connection between the trump

campaign and russia. he didn't think any of that was true yet he signs the fisa warrant which is a fraud to the court. he then asks for mueller to be appointed. he puts flynn's name, papadopoulos and manafort in there, and he says i didn't have the chutzpah to tell everybody there is nothing there? and this guy is the deputy attorney general? >> at the time he was the acting on general. that's the power of the swamp. when we deposed jim comey, we asked him at the time when he was fired may 9, may 17 when rod rosenstein named bob mueller as the special counsel. we asked jim comey at the time you were fired was there anything there? there was no evidence yet they continue it for two more years.

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judge jeanine: with the presidential elect just months away, how is why *'s campaign -- how is joe biden's campaign doing. with us is lara trump. thanks for being with us tonight. i want to talk about a couple things. i want to start with joe biden coming out of his basement attending the funeral of george floyd. apparently he's not worried about the coronavirus anymore. and he seems to have somewhat apologized for saying if you have got to figure out who to vote for you ain't black. how how does he fare with african-americans compared to donald trump?

>> i think it was a pandering move to go to the rui -- the fu. if you look at the track record, joe biden has been in politics for four decades. he has done nothing positive for the african-american communities in this country. he served 8 years under the first black president, barack obama. joe biden did support the 1994 crime bill which was disproportionately locked up black men for non-violent crimes. along with the most funding for any hbcus of any president under president donald trump's opportunity zones investing $100 billion across the country in the community forgotten about by

previous administrations. but when you compare the fact that joe biden has been terrible for the black communities in the country and he's telling you if you don't vote for him, you are note black. donald trump even across ited change for -- -- donald trump enacted change for these communities. judge jeanine: he can't talk about what he's done for the african-american community. but -- and i suspect at some point the trump campaign is going to talk about how he reared to young man men with the omnibus crime bill as predators and the made to lock a lot of them up. but muriel bowser, i want to talk about washington and having that mural painted "black lives matter" within two blocks of the white house.

what effect is that going to have on african-americans in a predominantly african-american city? >> i think it probably shows everyone in washington, d.c. that she cares more about i stalling an art installation than the safety and security of her own citizens. she also kicked out the national guard. these are men and women who flew in from across america to assist there to make sure that we -- that we have law and order in her own city. so many of these mayors across this country in democrat run cities couldn't get it together enough to keep their community safe and to keep people from looting, rioting, bunning down buildings. she kicked out the national guard signaling very clearly she probably doesn't care that much what happens to her citizens. i would say to everybody in washington, d.c., open up your eyes and look at what's going

on. judge jeanine: with respect to what's going on. the calls to defund police departments and dismantle them. your father-in-law ran as the law and order president. how do you think that will fare if you look at the screens. there are tens of thousands protesting around the country for the treatment of george floyd. >> the only thing that allows us to have a country, jeanine is our police force and law enforcement officers. without them we wouldn't have a country. it would be an absolute disaster. it wouldn't take days, it would be hours. you saw how quickly thing devolve where the police force was told to back off, to stand down, not to do their jobs. it quickly turned into threat chaos. our law enforcement officers should be applauded. there are bad ones course like

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[♪] be. judge jeanine: with me now, senior advisor to the trump reelect campaign corey lewandowski and john solomon. john, you uncovered most of what we have been hearing in the senate this week in lindsey graham's committee. and a lot of stuff with about rod rosenstein. you don't need to cover all of it. but it appears rod rosenen stein didn't quite have the chutzpah he should have. what your take on him? he was a see no evil, hear no evil, and do no evil. he wasn't in charnls charge. many republicans senators for the first time are talking about a handler conspiracy. they have evolved to i don't know if trump did it to maybe the fbi screwed up, to maybe there are a couple dirty cops. but there are a lot of

bureaucrats that look like they worked together to deceive rosenstein and the courts. and there is a subpoena targeting 3 bureaucrats for testimony and documents. judge jeanine: you have got the guy rosenstein who according to jim jordan didn't have the ability to push back, disappointing his friends in the swamp or lying to the fisa court. what's your take on him? >> clearly this person knew there was no evidence of any collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. he moved forward with the russia investigation. he signed the last fisa renewal application while president trump was in office. and he said he didn't read the application. when congressman matt gaetz asked him two years ago if he read it he said he wasn't going

to get into that. now he says he didn't right. he had a dereliction of duty and he tried to overtake a duly elected president. judge jeanine: christopher wray is the fbi director who i haven't liked since i first heard hip testify before congress when said he didn't know if he could get records. rosenstein just left on his own. nothing negative is happening to him. >> when christopher wray launched an investigation, it's into fbi members who no longer work there. where is the leadership at the fbi. it's been void of leadership since andrew mccabe and jim comey ran the place. judge jeanine: why doesn't the

president get rid of christopher wray. nothing in that mans time shows he's interested in the getting through to the corruption. why is he there? why is christopher wray there not doing anything to unearth the problem? >> it's a great question. the president gets to make the decision who works in his administration. clearly he made the decision to get rid of james comey. we know andrew mccabe should have been fired a long time ago. judge jeanine: you are not answering the question. >> it's up to the president. the president is very concerned with the lack of leadership in a number of agencies. judge jeanine: now i'm going back to john solomon. you provided us with a list of those people who have been subpoenaed after indicating that a lot of the senators are

talking about a conspiracy. these people as you can see up on the screen are already been subpoenaed by lindsey graham. but in addition there are interesting people who have been subpoenaed. why don't you tell us about some of the names other than the usual suspects. >> two names we haven't heard a lot of but may have played a behind the scenes role. two clinton acolytes close to the clinton world having similar information close to christopher steele. those are names that show up on the roll of subpoenas. and they will answer questions for the first time. they will be interesting. judge jeanine: we thank you both of you. john solomon, corey lewandowski, we'll be right back.

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. >> that is it. thank you for watching advocating for truth and justice and the american way. t10 coming up next i will see you next saturday night. if we are lucky same time, same place. greg: last week was a victory for mayhem disguised as justice and media gets the assist i remember dystopian science fiction with that would watch as a child showing greed the omega man and chitty chitty bang bang to wonder how could that happen of overpopulation cocoa pebbles? the society that is too rich in resource for everything to happen i was wrong to say these are weird times