hello america i'm mark levin. this is life, liberty and levin and they call the show the insurrection because i think that's what's taking place among other things in this country and i have to turn to a gentleman who i think know more about what's taking place in our cities then really anybody else. they've spent a life studying it and writing about it. one of those gentlemen is shelby steele who's been in this program before some time

ago, a senior fellow and wrote the book white guilt and shame, how america's past sins have polarized our country. he writes for harper magazine from time to time. i want to thank you for coming on the program so let me just throw it to you. you see what's taking place in cities, mostly democrat one-party cities where one party states, and yet you see the response from the national democrats, biden, schumer and pelosi who barely acknowledged the rioting and looting that's taking place. you see the media report that most of this is peaceful and you see the allegation, systemic racism. is this a civil rights movement? who's leading this movement and exactly what is desired out of the civil rights movement. that's a lot so i want to throw it to you shelby. >> will that's a good question, one of the questions

since beginning of all this has been what do they want. what is the point of all this? i remember when i was growing up in the civil rights movement and so forth, everybody knew exactly what we wanted, often legislation in the civil rights bill or something else that was specific and concrete, this insurrection seems just sort of unclear and unmotivated by anything that it says itself, and so what is it really about? it seems to me that's the question, and that i think that what is really happening is that it's nothing really new. the civil rights argument that triggered this, police abuse

and so forth, very familiar story, you saw that in ferguson missouri and elsewhere, and it seems to me that in many ways it's about power and in order to have to pursue power as they do, you have to have victims, and my god, george floyd is the archetypal victim in the whole incident of his murder is sort of a metaphor for the civil rights agenda and the grievance industry of agenda, someone else tortured to death , wow, the excitement that that triggers on the left in america is validates their claims in america is a wretched country, that they

must get recourse for what goes on and so forth so it feeds this old model of operation that we develop, that america is guilty of racism, guilty of this sin, has been for centuries and minorities are victims who are entitled, and so when people start to talk about systemic racism built into the system, what they're really doing is expanding a territory of entitlement. we want more. we want the society to give us more, to help us and so forth, society is responsible for us and because racism is so systemic, well that's a corruption and i know it's a

corruption because the truth of the matter is blacks have never been less oppressed than they are today. opportunity is around every corner, and in all of this, no one ever stops to say well you're unhappy about where minorities are at in american life and blacks continue to be at the bottom of the socioeconomic measures, you're unhappy about that, well, why don't you take some responsibility for it. why don't you take more responsibility for. i would be happy to look at all the usual bad guys, the police and so forth if we had the nerve, the courage to look at black people, to look at black americans, minority americans and say you're not carrying your own weight.

you're going to have a fit and a tantrum and demonstrate and so forth, and yet you're not doing, are you teaching your child to read? are you making sure that the schools on the street actually educate your child? are you becoming educated and following the dream in life and making things happen for yourself, or are you saying i'm a victim and i'm old and the entitlement is inadequate and i need to be given more and after all you know you whites, racism has been here for four centuries and slavery and so forth and so it's time for you to give to me. well, that's an exhausted, fruitless empty strategy to

take. we been on that path since the 60s and we are father behind that we've ever been we keep blaming it on racism and blaming it on the police, i'm exhausted with that. i grew up in a time when there was real segregation and blacks during the 50s and so forth took a lot of responsibility for their lives because the government did it. my father bought three ramshackle houses, rebuilt them, rented them out, kept clawing his way up the ladder, a man with a third grade education from the south, what civil rights bill is going to replace that come about value system and he was not exceptional. across the community we lived in, those were the values and that is the problem that we

have allowed ourselves to be enabled in avoiding a real problem by guilty white society. they keep using us and exploiting us and victimizing us to say that it's wonderful in overcoming racism and so forth. if you really care about how minorities do, why don't you ask them to do it. why don't you ask them to drop the pretense. there's always going to be some racism in every society. my own sense is that it's endemic to the human population. we always have to watch out for it.

stupid io is also endemic to the human population. we have to watch out for that to. that is no excuse for us being where we are right now in american life. we have let this sort of guilty society, and art grievance industry put us in this impossible position where we are a permanent underclass. before the 60s there was no black underclass. that's a new phenomenon, public housing, completely supported by the government. >> let me ask you this shelby steele, what you speak of is reinforced by the media as i sit here and we sit here today, it is reinforced by our colleges and universities, it is reinforced at the highest levels of the democrat party, it just amazes me. their model, i think a lot of this is about economic issues

and their model cannot create prosperity, it cannot create opportunity, they oppose school choice where were little black kids can actually go to a good school where the money would follow the kid as it does for colleges and universities, it's white liberals and the unions and the democrat party and barack obama who stopped all that so freedom, choice, opportunity, in many respects because of the model that is used by the left and the democrat party prevents the kind of human and economic progress in many of these communities that are run by one party, corrupt parties, corrupt bureaucrats, and i think this is part of the reason to be. [inaudible] pelosi has yet to condemn the

riot. they keep talking about systemic racism. these are people in government for 40 years, 35 years and so on so when we return, i would like your opinion on that because i think that is what's playing out in many of these communities right now, among other things so they turn blind eye to the violence and the incompetence of these mayors and city councils, and they keep pushing their ideological and economic agenda and this is why they blame it on the systemic racism. this systemic racism means everything and nothing. we'll be right back. you ever wih you weren't a motaur? sure. sometimes i wish i had legs like you. yeah, like a regular person. no. still half bike/half man, just the opposite.

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welcome back. shelby steele, what do you make of the one party controlling these cities. it's their agenda, their policy, their ideology in the style of the national democrats and the friends of the media to criticize this. >> where race is concerned, america has had a horrible, wretched history, and that

came to account in the 1960s with the civil rights victories and civil rights bill and housing and so forth. america, for the first time had to acknowledge and did, i think quite bravely acknowledge that this was terrible, slavery is a terrible thing. segregation is evil, and america had to begin today just that and in the process america lost considerable moral authority, and so what has liberalism become? liberalism is a way to gain back that moral authority, and so right away resident johnson in the 60s that okay, you're right, here's the war on poverty, here's the great society, hears higher welfare

payments, here's affirmative action, here's school busing, and aren't we innocent of racism now, and shouldn't we be allowed to continue in power because we have taken the stand. what they didn't see is that this was a brand-new exploitation of blacks and other minorities. now white americans using black, exploiting them, enabling their dependency so that they can say were innocent of racism and therefore we are legitimate, if you're not a democrat who's owned up to all of this history and, then you are not legitimate. that legitimacy, the democratic party took as its central power and it remains there today even though america has made more progress

since the 60s. what i think we feared, the democratic party today is try to keep that whole thing alive of art we innocent, are we the party that looks out for the decency and the humanity of american life, after this ugly history that america has. it's what i like to call white guilt, white guilt is this sort of buying back legitimacy by exploiting minorities all over again, by enabling, how do they exploit them, they say this is what's pernicious and evil. they say to minorities look, we beat you up pretty ba badly, you can't make it without us. you can't recover. you are not going to be able to reinvent yourself and become truly equal with us unless we are the agent of

that change. not you, us. so they take over the agency, over black development and say if you don't get more government money, more government program, more blah blah blah, then you will never make it. you are dependent on us and what happens, a grievance industries reams up in black america to receive all that, the civil rights movement does nothing but scream bloodied murder, how dependent black people are on what whites do for them. that's all they do. >> you know it's interesting shelby, you bring to the democrat party, the democrat party history, in many respect it's a very evil history, i

mean it was the party of the confederacy. it was the party of slavery, it became the party after the civil war that destroyed reconstruction. it was the party that spawned and gave birth to the clan, it was the party that pushed segregation, it was the party whose members were involved in plessy versus ferguson, it was the party up into the 1920s that embraced the racism and segregationists, it was the party up to the civil rights act that played serious politics, not in the jim crow south and so on. now there's exceptions to this. >> now it's the party of affirmative action. the thought that liberalism is a part of, and whether there's sort of a mutual corruption

where you see this in the democratic party is where you have on the one hand the grievance and the flow seas of the world who want to take the agents of black uplift, and were just sort of stuck there and of course, as always the group that will pay the price for this, this stalemate is the blacks, minorities. will get further and further behind. again, when i was a kid, growing up in fiercely segregated chicago, everything was segregated. my father bought ramshackle houses, rebuilt them, worked day and night, everybody was doing something, nobody was supported by a dime from the government.

>> i want to thank you very, very much for coming on the program and for discussing the issues and matters that many people are not hearing about today because of all the screaming going on. god bless you. we'll be right back.

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show, the insurrection. one of the great leaders i think, not just in the african-american community but in the united states and he's a quiet leader is bob woodson. founder and president of the woodson center, originator of the 1776 project, we had him on about two months ago, he was a civil rights activist and he is committed to spend his entire life in these communities that people talk about that they've never been to, particularly in the media. bob woodson, you see what's happening to our country come you see what's happening in these cities and states, i want to put it to you this way , this is a civil rights movement. what kind of civil rights movement is this when you're burning down your own cities and you don't even have a precise message, i don't see any leader leaders, i see anarchy and mayhem, i see media that's very excited about it, democrat party that has run these cities for decade and a national democrat party that won't condemn the

violence in a full throated and aggressive way. what do you make of this. >> certainly, what they're doing is a perversion of the civil rights movement, and, but it's a continuation mark of a march that started 50 years ago with the civil rights bill, the great expectation at this time was that the problem of the inner cities and poor blacks was that there was whites running those systems and so the great promise was if you just all elect blacks to those offices, then their inequities would improve, and what we have done over the last 50 years, we've spent about $22 trillion in government money where 70% goes not to the poor but goes to serve the poor, blacks have been in office in conditions for low income blacks have been deteriorating every year after year end so one of the ways they can avoid, those

leaders can avoid explaining to the public the cause of this decline convey use race as a roost to deflect attention away from their failures and as a consequence, you see the kind of chaos that exists in these communities. they also make the false claim that the problems of unemployment is somehow associated with this country's legacy of slavery and determination. that's another lie, and in order to challenge it, we cannot challenge it with an argument. we challenge it with alternative narrative. we go back and we say to the public and say your fate is never determined by what white america does or doesn't do and has never been and we give examples at our 1776, from the past that 50 years after the emancipation proclamation, in

spite of discrimination, blacks have $700 million in assets. we own 900,000 farms, 40000 churches, 40000 businesses, cities like chicago in the brownsville section have 731 black-owned businesses. 100million in real estate businesses, wedlock under 15%. this is the real history of black america that is not being told in young people today are being convinced that their faith is determined by forces that happened hundreds of years ago and so we must challenge that with information, but also we must challenge the lie that somehow the dysfunction in these cities is determined by what they call institutional racism. i don't know what that is for systemic racism, to me it's

just a roost. the biggest enemy that black, low income black americans have is not bigots, it is those who betray the trust, those that took office and exploited the trust and confidence that low income people have in their leaders and instead of taking responsibility and offering real solutions, what they're offering his race, somehow to justify their inaction or their incompetence. >> you know bob woodson, i look at this and i see these cities are run by one party up and down the chain of politics, all the money flows through that one party, the bureaucracy, all the jobs that control that one party, i see the national democrats refusing to condemn the violence, joe biden mentions

it in passing and yet they always claim to have the solution. they control the power, they control the government, they control the money, they control the policies and yet and yet they want minorities to turn to them for the answers. then i watched bob woodson, lebron james, steve kerr, multimillionaire, i watch people in hollywood and so forth pretty much all say the same thing, what is going on here with our culture? >> it becomes a way of escaping any responsibility. first of all i think a lot of the young whites who are participating in these riots and the looting i really living in neighborhoods that were formally black and their now gentrified. in the city of washington d.c.

that's been run by black officials for the last 20 years, over 19004 blacks have been removed from the city so many of those so-called social justice warriors, young white professionals are coming from neighborhoods that used to be occupied by low income blacks, so there's no strategy on the part of the black leadership to address the economic and housing change, but as long as they can use race to deflect attention away from the absence of the solution, they continue to get away with it. but poor blacks are a sleeping giant. one day they will wake up and realize in the words of malcolm x that they are being bamboozle bamboozled, there being hustled and that's what were trying to do at the woodson center to help low income people to understand so they become agents of their own uplift, but they must be given information, and you see

evidence, even in these riots there are neighborhood leaders that are standing up to these people were coming in, for example, white couple well dressed in a nice car pulls up and in the back seat there are bricks there handing to young blacks to throw at the police. a neighborhood woman challenges this woman, almost forces them to leave and there are quite a few people that are taking some of these writers and actually turning them into the police, and so what we believe in 1776, these are insurgent voices that are in all of these communities but they're not given the kind of recognition that they deserv deserve. >> when we come back i want to ask you this. the new york times 1619

project, slavery is in our dna, hollywood, athletes, sports broadcasters, the media generally, systemic racism, systemic racism, systemic racism. is this helping our country? is this helping black people or minorities at all much mike that's my question to you when we return. we'll be right back. my gums are irritated.

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disconnect between white liberals who claim to know what's going on in these communities, black liberals who have made it, who claim to know what's going on in these communities, i think there's a lot of economic dislocation that's going on in these communities, a lot of excuses, we have the left big government economic model which has brought more property and destitution, they can't work, we see shootings, i'll pick chicago. last week apart from the writing and everything, over 20 people were shot. i don't see the same people, whether they're in the media, sports, whatever tweeting, upset, peacefully protesting as they say when it comes to the slaughter that's taking place and quite frankly black on black crime. what are your thoughts. >> this is perpetuating the lie, there's a harvard study and another study talking about in the course of the

year there were a thousand people shot by police. most of those were people shooting back at the police. that number, 275 or blacks were shot and of that number, only a handful were unarmed and it's been estimated that for every one black was shot by a cop, 270 blacks shot, shoot one another. in other words, we lose more black we have a 911 every six months in the black community. with happening, as they vilify the police, there is something called police nullification for the ferguson effect, which means the more the police are accused of racism, the less there out there to be aggressive low income communities and as a consequence the murder rate source. st. louis, last spring, 18 young people under the age of 14 were shot and murdered in

this city, and only one arrest was made because it's not the al sharpton or the white liberals haters of the police who have to suffer the consequence. with lebron james does not live in those communities that risk. nor do any of the advocates who are vilifying the police. it means that policeman is down% around the country. >> with the result that 911 call sometimes go unanswered, and this trend is continuing. and black officials in these cities are throwing black police officers under the bus. they are being vilified. the number of police leaving. we are really creating a crisis in those cities are told if you are killing one another not your fault, it's systemic racism, and nothing mark, is more people than you

provide a people for a good excuse for their own failure. and so what we do define there are islands of excellence. in philadelphia, 1983 come in the matter of public record. they have small young black men robbing people on someone. we organize my neighborhood group life young men offenders god had changed their hearts, they actually went into the prisons and organized a rhyme prevention task force. they went out into the community, brought 200 of these young men from all over the cit city. these young men with moral authority told these young people, there's a come once, the wolfpack attacks stopped overnight, that shows you the power of grassroot leader if we give them who have the trust of the people, we must

look to these healing agents that are internal to these communities because they are living in these communities that are being burnt and looted. >> bob woodson, the problem is all this hard work you do over the decades, and others too, you don't get a write up in the new york times. you are not brought onto msnbc and cnn and other newsrooms. the radical leftist professors , people who attacked the country, attack faith, in my view, attacked the principles of the country, the new york times is spreading poison about this country in every school and every school district. and the woman who's responsible for that, immediately they go to her for her. they don't go to people like you are shelby steele we have

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welcome back. bob woodson, i find the voices that get attention from most of the media the most radical, the most outrageous voices above the voices that need to be heard, people who actually live in these communities and try to live good industrious lives and don't get hurt, what you think about that? >> i agree, but what must happen as a solution is what the left does they have a ground game. the moment these riots occur, mark zuckerberg pledged $10 million. apple pledged ten to organizations on the ground that are taking action, and then hollywood celebrities put up 20 million for those who are locked up, whether there for writing or not. again, they are investing. we on our side, freedom loving americans, we need to invest comparably in our grassroots

patriots and give them a voice and give us the mechanisms and the memes to provide the curriculum to students that are pro- american curriculum, we need to be giving them an opportunity to have movies about their successes. we need to celebrate the successes from the past and the present. there are models of economic development of low income communities. we need to highlight them so we really need a ground game. were not going to win this fight i just public publishing white papers at think tanks and giving them to the media. we need to give voice to the men and women in those communities who are fighting and protection of those values. they really represent the mainstream of black america and so what were trying to do at the woodson center and 1776 is provide them a platform so

they can undermine the left because when low income black people stand up and say the black left does not speak for me, it will undermine their moral authority. 100,000 low income blacks in that gubernatorial race in florida, desantis voted against gillam the black candidate and even though oprah winfrey and barack obama campaign for gillam, to me that demonstrates that black low income people are willing to vote their interest and ignore race as a factor. >> let me ask you a question. we don't have a lot of time left. you mention barack obama, he has to attorney general both african-american.

the democrats run the cities, many of these cities are democrat states, he now talks about systemic racism. did the obama administration make a difference. >> they made it worse. >> house so he was supposed to be the great healer the first time he was attacked by jesse jackson, he backed off and then retreated back to racial, the defense of institutional racism. the moment he was attacked viciously by jesse jackson, next thing he knew he withdrew from that platform. >> did he support school choice. >> no, he opposed it. that's why i talk to him in florida at the gubernatorial

race, he campaigned for gilliam who was again school choice and 100,000 black parents, low income black parents voted for the republican against the democrat even though he was supported by oprah winfrey and obama so low income blacks have demonstrated a willingness to break ranks, and we must provide the resources and the memes for others to learn from the experience of these grassroot leaders so more can break ranks. >> i want to thank you bob woodson for everything you do in these communities in this country. we've got to fight through the propaganda of the left, the media, the democrat party, these mayors and these governors, and run these cities with an iron fist. god bless you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.

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well america these are definitely tumultuous times. we have lived through in the course of three years and attempt by the obama administration to defeat a presidential candidate of the other party by violating his civil liberties and by violating our constitution using the fbi, the cia and other entities in ways we've never seen in this country before. the media and the democrat party applauded. we've seen the criminalization of politics without legal authority to try and take out the president of the united states. on a come lately false pretax and russian collusion. there never was that pollution. we saw an unconstitutional impeachment of the president of the united states based on a phone call that was

perfectly fine. there is nothing unlawful, unconstitutional about the phone call but it didn't matter. we've seen the wuhan china virus and the violation of our civil liberties by an aggressive governors, particularly blue state governors. we are more than happy to put small businessmen and women out of business and when they chose to protest and protest peacefully, the police were sick to pond them because they want 6 feet apart, they were wearing mask and they weren't staying home. now what we see, we see burning cities, riots and looting and what are the democrats doing, very little. what is the national democrat party doing, trying to exploit it and use it to defeat donald trump joe biden can barely acknowledge what's going on and barack obama blames it on we the people.

they call it systemic racism. america will get through this but we must be united and defeat these forces. i'll see you next time on life, liberty and levin. >> that is not america. yes those are americans but that is not america. just as america. >> i'm very proud of the people who engage in peaceful protest. that's one of the pillars, the foundation of our nation. this is america. incredible, daring, innovation incredible spirit this is america, the incredible resilience of our private sector. two and a half million jobs added instead of the 8 million jobs