♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker was up next. ♪ >> tucker: america went insane over the weekend and it's barely an overstatement. people in their 80s who have lived in the u.s. all their lives said they've never seen anything like it. ask an 80-year-old. this was without precedent in the modern era. a small group of highly aggressive emotionally charged activists took over our culture. they forced the entire country to obey their will. it all happened so fast and with such ferocity that virtually no one resisted it. people seem bewildered, even stunned by what was happening. statements of fact and opinion that were entirely within the bounds of reasonable conversation just last sunday suddenly a week later were enough to get you fired from your job and a number of people

were fired. an awful lot happened this weekend. for the next hour, we want to assess the aftermath of it all, suggest what it may mean, and where this country is likely to go from here. but first, we want to give you a sense of what happened. we are going to begin tonight in minneapolis, that's where the black lives matter riots first began almost two weeks ago. as the violence there raged, some democratic leaders in minneapolis came to a conclusion that didn't on the surface anyway make intuitive sense. what their city really needs, they decided, is less law enforcement. in fact, no law enforcement. so they began to demand that minneapolis "defund the police." the first thing you notice about this idea is how unpopular with the public it is. almost nobody in the country supports it. but the activists, undeterred, kept pushing the idea and within days, pressure mounted on the mayor of minneapolis, jacob frey, to get rid of his city's police department. this was a problem for frey. frey has greater political aspirations and this was

the last conversation he wanted to have. so frey did his best to change the subject with a mix of manic enthusiasm and feigned empathy. frey is well practiced in those areas. here he is a couple of years ago with his preferred brand of community outreach. ♪ it didn't work. then or now. activists who wanted actual answers, so mayor frey tried step two in the process, groveling. >> i've been coming to grips with my own brokenness in this situation, my own failures, my own shortcomings. and i know there needs to be deep-seated, structural -- >> it's not about [bleep] you! >> tucker: again, good try. "brokenness."

it sounds like a sermon. give a raise to the staffer who scripted that. but again, no dice. black lives matter, to their credit, wanted a real answer to their question. it was then that jacob frey made a fatal mistake. he put himself in a position where he could be asked that question directly. here's what happened next. >> he's up for reelection next year. and if he says no, guess what the [bleep] we're gonna do next. >> yes or no, will you commit to defunding minneapolis police department? what did i say? we don't want no more police. is that clear? >> i do not support the full abolition of the police department. >> get the [bleep] out of here. >> you're wasting our time! >> get the [bleep] out of here. >> go home, jacob, go home! go home, jacob, go home! go home, jacob, go home! >> tucker: what a remarkable piece of tape that is. has a big city mayor in this

country ever been more thoroughly humiliated? "get the f out of here," she screams. go! the correct answer to that, needless to say, is "up yours, lady. i'm not going anywhere. i run this city." do you doubt the entire crowd would've cheered jacob frey if he'd said that? people always admire resolve even when they disagree with the point of view, but that's not what jacob frey did. frey slunk away like a child caught doing something filthy. the s most telling moment came just before that when the woman in sunglasses threatened to defeat the mayor in the next election. what does that tell you? it tells you that black lives matter is in fact a political party. maybe the strongest political party in the united states as of tonight. its members believe they can reshape this country, and so far, they are proving to be right. you can always tell which political movements are ascending, which are headed up, by how straightforward their members and sympathizers are about whatat they believe. strong people say what they think out loud.

they have no reason not to. they are not embarrassed of their beliefs. they think they are winning. with that in mind, watch this clip from cnn this morning. this is the president of the minneapolis city council, lisa bender. bender explains that the desire for safety, the desire not to have your home invaded by violent criminals is in fact a sign of racism. >> do you understand that the word dismantle or police free also makes some people nervous? for instance, what if in the middle of the night, my home is broken into, who do i call? >> yes, i hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and i know it comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, i think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done. >> tucker: hello, police. armed men are breaking into my home, help!

"shut up, racist," click. that's the world lisa bender is calling for. how many people watching cnn this morning as they got dressed agreed with lisa bender? sure, that sounds reasonable, calling the police during a break-in definitely qualifies as racism. it's hard to believe, even among cnn's audience, that very many people thought that. it's so obviously nuts. on the other hand, it doesn't really matter at this point what the public thinks about anything. in the case of this idea, many democratic leaders are already sold on it. here's former congressman keith ellison on msnbc over the weekend. keep in mind as you watch him speak that ellison is now the chief law enforcement officer in minnesota. he's the attorney general. ellison argues here that it's wrong for police to bring guns to domestic violence calls. seriously. >> we send out people with guns, and they are there to use deadly force no matter what the problem may be. if the problem is sexual assault, we send somebody with a gun. if the problem is domestic violence, we send somebody

with a gun. if the problem is somebody in a mental health crisis, we send somebody with a gun. >> tucker: we know what you are thinking. that is keith ellison, kind of an unfair example. ellison has long been a crazy person who was once attached to the nation of islam. back then he called himself keith hakim. more recently, ellison endorsed antifa. yes, that's all true,. but unlike other race baiting extremists, keith ellison may have a promising political future. it's very interesting ay imagine it. if joe biden wins, keith ellison could be the attorney general of the united states. at the very least, he would be first in line to become u.s. attorney for the state of minnesota, the top federal prosecutor there. what would happen then? we may live to findd out. again, all of this probably strikes you as wild-eyed craziness. flat earth stuff. eliminate the police? really? but things change fast. look at how quickly they changed just over the weekend.th alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is a skilled trend spotter if there ever was one,

is already acting as if defund the police, again, a proposal that no sane person even mentioned in public just last month is now the defining civil rights issue of our time. you would have to be a bigoted dinosaur, a bad person to oppose it.im >> this is one of those moments. this right now is one of those moments. if you are an elected official that for any reason is on this call, i am asking you to ask yourself what are you willing to sacrifice to make sure that overfunded police departments are defunded? >> tucker: so think about what you just saw. alexandria ocasio-cortez isn't just a member of congress. she's maybe the most famous member of congress. she's also a surrogate for joe biden, so a lot is on the line here. ocasio-cortez didn't say that accidentally. she had a reason for saying it. why did she say that? what is going on here? as usual, the truth bears no resemblance whatsoever to what they are telling you. think about it for just a second. democratic politicians control

the police departments in virtually every big city in this country. now they're telling you they want to get rid of those police departments. if theyy did, that would mean less power for themselves, so right away, you know there's lying going on. democrats do not relinquish power voluntarily. ever, period. republicans frequently do. democrats never do, so that's the first thing toto know, something obviously is going on here beneath the surface. this has to be an attempt to increase the power of the democratic party because every policy they push is. always. and in fact, that's exactly what's happening here. democrats have no intention of abolishing the police. listen carefully and you will achear them admit that. instead, they want to replace the police. take the people who currentlyan have badges, many of whom voted for donald trump, and swap them out for new people, people who hate donald trump and hate the people who voted for donald trump.

that's what's actually happening, and it makes sense. law enforcement is one of the very few institutions remaining in this country that the left does not yet control. democratson hate the police because they don't control the police. very simple. remember 35 years ago when democrats were constantly attacking the u.s. military? you don't hear that anymore. why is that? it's very simple. the left took over the pentagon. no reason to attack people you control, which they do. and they plan to do the same thing to your local police department. aclet's be clear. what democrats are proposing isn't some form of radical libertarianism, where the coops leave and citizens police their own neighborhoods. no. it's the opposite of that. what they are proposing is a power grab. defund the police as a move toward authoritarian social control cloaked in the language of identity politics. already in the middle of a total breakdown of law c and order, as we watch our cities burn, you are seeing new moves to prevent eyou from defending yourself and your family in the middle of it.

just last tuesday, marjorie ougreen, who is running for congress in georgia, posted this ad on facebook and within two days, facebook pulled it down. >> i have a message for antifa terrorists. stay the hell out of northwest georgia. you won't burn our churches, loot our businesses, or destroy our homes. >> tucker: so facebook has a policy against violence, not the violence engulfing our cities, but the violence of you defending your family. they create the chaos, you are not allowed to defend yourself. you are, in other words, and this is the point, wholly dependent upon them. in the future, the left envisions the only people who will have guns are people on their team, and that's exactly what defund the police really means. it means a woke militia policing our cities enforcing the democratic party orthodoxy. imagine if the diversity and inclusion department at brown university had the power to arrest you. imagine if the black lives

matter rioters had weapons and immunity from prosecution. that's what they are talking labout. partisan law enforcement. it's hardly without precedent. in fact, it's the rule in the third world. this is an attempt to bring it here. what is again striking is how few american voters support this. very few. polling froman just a week ago showed that only 16% ofth americans favored cutting funding to police departments. there was almost no party divide on that question surprisingly.y. the numbers were virtually the same for republicans and democrats. the divide was economic. if you make a more than $100,000 a year, you are more than twice as likely to think cutting the police was a good idea, and there's no mystery there, of course, rich people live in safe places. they can afford their own security. jeff bezos doesn't need the police, he's got his own. unfortunately for the rest of us, and it is unfortunate, jeff bezos and people like him are the only ones allowed to

talk right now. it's hard to overstate how vicious the crackdown on o free speech and free thought has been in the last few days. here's the new rule, and it defines everything. any way. full stop. that rule has been in force without mercy everywhere and not just in this country. in vancouver, a men's bask for g a tweet that questioned black lives matter. meanwhile, a player on the l.a. galaxy, the professional soccer team in los angeles, was fired because his wife said something critical online. not him. he didn't do it. his wife. doesn't matter. they canned the player anyway. imagine being a high school student right now. high c school students who refud to show affirmative support on their instagram accounts were shunned by their friends. journalists who asked toove many questions about the group were fired or silenced. again, not an exaggeration. you'd think people in media would resent this, presumably some do, but almost everybody stayed

quiet about it. they were too afraid. and some applaud it. "the new york times" ran an op-ed demanding that people disown their own families if their families fail to support black lives matter irenthusiastically enough. tell your relatives. tell your friends, the author wrote that "you will not be visiting or answering phonee calls until they take significant action in supporting black lives through protest or financial contributions."if got that? sorry,iv mom. i know you are old and alone and miss your grandchildren, but we are shunning you until you send more money to black lives matter. in an environment like this, we've never lived in an environment like this, but you can imagine. in an environment like this, mostand the weak ones are quicka join in just like the good little red guards they've always been underneath it all. here is mitt romney on the march. >> end violence and brutality and make sure the people understand that black lives matter.

>> tucker: mitt just wants to make sure that americans understand, get through their thick heads, that black lives matter. as if americans didn't know that. but accusing your entire country of racism turns out to be a pretty small price for someone mitt romney. what romney is really worried about, what all the finance moguls funding this movement are worried about is that someone somewhere will ask the obvious questions. how much have you, mitt romney, personally made, how rich have you become by sending jobs overseas, working class jobs, by charging obscene interest rates, and by otherwise harming poor and black communities economically? all the basic crimes are economic. mitt romney doesn't want to talk about that at all, so he marches. and black lives matter couldn't be happier about it.ll the complicity of people like mitt romney gives groups like black lives matter strength. black lives matter is becoming more powerful by the hour and they know it. watch this interview from saturday in which a black lives

matter activist cheerfully admits he may soon incinerate people with gasoline. >> i'm a leader of this ftp movement. it means a lot of things.pe it could mean free the people. it could mean for the people. and it could also mean fire into property.hi we are hoping de blasio and cuomo come out and talk to us and give the youth some direction, but if they don't, then gasolinen thanks to trump is awfully cheap. >> tucker: the amazing thing is not just that he said that, though that's shocking enough. the amazing thing is that he set it on television lives. he wasn't worried about being arrested.st he's not like you. you are still not allowed to attend church services or go to big weddings. too bad you are not friends with d.c. mayor muriel bowser. bowser can do anything. lives matter plaza and no one criticized her for it. practically sent her flowers. >> having a mural of black lives matter in huge black letters across three blocks leading up

to the white house, as i said on sunday, bad move that you made. >> it is a representation of an expression of our saying no but also identifying and claiming a part of our city that had been taken over by federal forces. >> tucker: mayor bowser was gratified by the support she received, so she also had black lives matter painted in enormous yellow letters. kind of a bold move if you think about it, making a streetd partisan. imagine a big city mayor naming a major thoroughfare nra avenue or planned parenthood boulevard. it's impressive in a way, but black lives matter wasn't satisfied by it, not even close. the d.c. chapter released a statement attacking mayor bowser for not giving complete control of the city's police department. "this is to appease white

liberals while ignoring our demands. black lives matter means defund the police. got that? black lives matter means defund the police. oh, so that's what black lives matter means. no one really explains that. that's their description. now we know what intel and pepsi and amazon are supporting when they sendan money. defunding the police. suddenly it feels like all the adults have gone to saint bartz and turned off their cell phones. who is running this country? who's in charge? anyone? yet amazingly, some republicans in washington seem giddy as they watch the country go insane. democrats have gone too far this time, they will tell you. we are guaranteed to win in november.nt you've probably gotten texts to that affect recently from friends. sounds good, but they are wrong. they are totally and completely wrong on many levels. but one thing if you care about a country, you've got to try.

you have an obligation to try your very best to protect and defend it no matter who is helped in november. that's i what patriotism is. not about you. it's about america. leave aside your moral duty. even as a matter of pure politics, this is a mindless analysis, a stupid calculation. bad ideas are like cancer. when you ignore them and pretent they are not there, ride it out. they spread. most people, as we noted, currently oppose defunding the police. that is where the polls stand right now. but will they feel that way in sthree months? how about in three weeks? in an environment like this, you don't know. things move fast. nfl commissioner roger gooddell once opposed kneeling. now has announced he is with black lives matter. >> we admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players

earlier. and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest. we at the national football league believe black lives matter. i have personally protested with you. >> tucker: so if this is so good for republicans, explain this. why does the latest round t of national polls indicate that joe biden's lead in this race is growing? and that's not a small thing if you plan to live here. if you don't want toto live undr attorney general keith ellison, so why is it happening? maybe it's because republicans in washington have decided to sit this crisis out. they haven't bothered to explain what's wrong. they haven't bothered to tell us anything about what might be flawed about black lives matter, and they don't plan to. ethey are too cynical, too fearful.yn they are going to pretend like it's not happening, repeat platitudes, read bumper stickers on the air, nod solemnly, and do nothing to protect the country. why would voters reward that?

democrats, by contrast, whont ae completely wrong and are leading us down a path that won't end well are not ashamed in the slightest of what they believe. they brag about it. they kneeled in submission. >> we are here to honor george floyd. for those who wish to, we will now kneel for our moment of silence. >> tucker: nancy pelosi doing something crazy again. keep in mind, it wasn't just nancy pelosi, not by a long shot. members of the national guard kneeled too. so did a group of fbi agents, so

did the prime minister of canada justin trudeau, who other day was wearing black face. now he's with black lives matter. the police chief of webster massachusetts went even further than that. he laid on the ground in complete submission. and then things began to spin completely out of control not just in this country, but throughout the west. as the crowd swelled and the demand for total ideological conformity grew louder, this latest cultural revolution became a parody of itself as they always do. in london, protesters vandalized the statue of abraham lincoln because what did abraham lincoln ever do for black people? in boston, a mob defaced a monument to the first all-black volunteer regimen in the civil war because black people dying to end slavery sounds like white supremacy to us. around the same time, a law professor from the university of chicago called for an armed coup to overthrow the president of the united states, but that didn't get a lot of press because it didn't seem

particularly newsworthy under the circumstance. it was that kind of weekend. what is going on? what is this about? even the outlines are blurry at this point, but we know this, nt matter what they tell you, it has very little to do with black lives, if only it did. if democratic leaders cared about saving the lives of black people, and they should, they wouldn't ignore the murder of thousands of young black men in their cities every year. they wouldn't put abortion clinics inin black neighborhood. they would instead do their very best to improve the publicut schools and to encourage intact families, which we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is central tou the life prospects of children. they tried to make black neighborhoods as safe as their ownen neighborhoods. they would close the payday lenders that add so much misery to poor people of all colors. but they don't even consider doing any of this, they don't even try. instead, the encourage theft and mayhem, as if that will help. it will not help.

this may be a lot of things, this moment we are living through, but it is definitely not about black lives and remember that when they come for you and at this rate, they will. anyone who has ever been subjected to the rage of mob knows the feeling. it's like being a swarmed by hornets. and the temptation is to panic. you have to keep your head and tell the truth. you show weakness of any kind, they will crush you.ru ask drew brees. by some accounts, poor drew brees is on his fourth apology for the crime of defending the american flag. he decided to apologize and now they are using him as a propaganda war in hostage tape after hostage tape. at a moment like this, there is no advantage in cowardice, in being mitt romney. you think you're saving yourself but you're just empowering theft worst people, people who hate you. before you know it, you're confessing to crimes you didn't commit. tell the truth, and the truth is this is a good country,

better than any other. we have nothing to be ashamed of. none of us. immigrants know that best of all. that's why they come here. a million new americans every year. they are not coming because america is a racist country. they are coming because it's not. that is all true. and in our clear moments, we know it's true, even the people claiming it's not. truth is a defense no matter what they are telling you at this moment. this moment will pass, remember that. when it does, we will look back at what we just saw in horror and disbelief, but if you are honest now, you'll keep your dignity and ultimately, you will be very glad about that. life is not worth living without it. these folks don't have time to go to the post office

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♪ he >> when i talked about killers, i said our collective, our collective burden here in the society is that we let black men and women die. i pointed at myself. we collectively have a choice about whether we will heal or continue being the killers. >> tucker: the killers. what happening? how did we get to a place in the history of our country where our leaders talk like this? it seems like 20 minutes ago, they were quoting the founding documents. all of us are created by god and

therefore we are all equal on the deepest level. equal before god, equal before the law. you don't point to ethnic groups and say you're innocent and you are guilty because of your skin color. what kind of grotesque parody of is this? why is nobody saying anything? it doesn't matter what the colors are. it's the fact they are saying it at all that is completelyr re w. it's completely wrong. we use to recognize that and we knowow longer do. how did we get here? he's on the u.s. civil rights commission and frequent guest of oie show and he joins us tonight. peter, thank you so much for comingan on. you look at some of the stuff and you think did we wake up one morning and we are not even in the country that we thought we were in? >> we are at an inflection point a dangerous one. i don't think many of us contemplated that we may lose america, that it might be teetering on the brink here but i think as you said in your intro, this isn't really a time for cowardice or for ignorance and unfortunately many of our leaders are displaying both. throughout history, we see that

there are very fast movements that take the population unawares. you've got the cultural revolution for example in all of the struggle sessions seem to be parodying right now, but this was an extraordinary time and we have leaders that are displaying so much cowardice and ignorance and ignorance comes in this fashion. i've been living in the same inner-city black neighborhood for nearly 40 years now. and during that period of time, almost throughout, the crime rate has been dropping slowly, slowly, slowly but steadily throughout that entire period. then we had the michael brown incident in ferguson, we had consent decrees issued all over the place, you had the ferguson effect and police withdrawing from active policing because of the fear of being attacked such as darren wilson being accused of all manner of nefarious things, and consent decrees also bound their hands also. so for that 35 year period, you had a decline in crime and all

neighborhoods. in black neighborhoods in all cities. in that one year after ferguson and it wasn't a 5% spike, not a 10% spike, not a 20% spike, there was a 90% spike in homicide rates and in those 50 largest cities, all had double digit increases in homicides and other crimes after decline. so if you talk about even marginally giving consideration to defunding even slightly the police, if black lives truly matter, fund the police. reform the policemen who are bad and there are bad apples everywhere. a few here, a few there, of course that will happen in a nation of 330 million. all of what we are witnessing veght now is based on a false narrative that everyone has known for a long time. not everyone, some in positions of power for political expediency has been expanding on a false narrative that blacks

are being disproportionately targeted by cops and also as we saw in that video of ahmaud arbery, racist whites are, as joy reid said, hunting down blacks. the data has been a clear for a long time. the longest-serving member of the civil rights commission. i've been marinating in this data for a long time. you say some of these things, you can lose your job. you can be ostracized. you are persona non grata. here are some of the steps. as opposed to what is now a given, maybe the folks at the nfl and some the big corporations and people think that cops are slaughtering black people disproportionately, the studies that have come out come of the most recent one i think by the national o academy of sciences, all these folks are not the bastions of right-wing extremism found that white perpetrators are slightly

more likely to be shot by cops than blacks, also another study that shows that unarmed whites are twice as likely to be shot by cops as blacks, and the narrative shows that because of black overrepresentation in violent crime, they are actually underrepresented in police shootings as a function of the type of encounters that one would have with cops.se >> tucker: if the average person said that out loud, quoting the uniform crime report, they would be fired. you're a brave man. great to see you, thank you. so-called health experts were completely wrong about the death rate from the coronavirus, they were wrong about how easily it is spread and now they are admitting they were wrong in a profound way about who could and who could not spread it. dr. marc siegel joins us with an amazing development in this story.

>> if you're trying to contain spread, it's the asymptomatic people that are your real threat. i am asymptomatic, i go to a big venue, i distribute the virus to other people. v>> tucker: that was the political activist zeke emanuel posing as he so often does on television as a health expert just two months ago. coronavirus they told us was so deadlya because anyone could spread it, even if they had no symptoms at all and that's why we needed to have for years nationwide lockdowns which destroyed our economy and drove people to suicide. but now, three months after, it would have been useful to know that, we learn from the world health organization that in fact, asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is so rare it verges on the nonexistent. so if that's true, we don't is it true? we don't know, but if it is, what can we tell sick people to stay home then go back to life

as normal? dr. marc siegel, fox medical contributor and one who answers those questions for us. doctor, what do you make of this? >> this comes from the head of emerging diseases of the world health organization, and the point she's making is not that there isn't asymptomatic people, with covid-19 but that they are much less likely to spread it than those who are coughing and sneezing and sick.. that fits with what we know. i will tell you why that's really important here. it's obvious that social tadistancing, and i'm a big believer in that, is necessary to keep people from coughing on you, but the whole idea about lockdowns, everybody sheltering in place, came from the idea of asymptomatic carriers. they are out there, they wille spread it to you. so what the world health organization has done is they have found by tracing people who had it that it wasn't the asymptomatic people that are t most likely spread it, it is the coughers and sneezers.

we also have evidence of it here henow in the united states. i will give you evidence i talked about last week. we've had these protests for a week now, and most times, covid-19 spreads within the first week. let me tell you, we still have a flat curve here. tucker, on june 6, we had 23,000 cases. on june 7th, yesterday, we had 18,500 cases. we are not seeing the spike that could have occurred when the lockdowns were violated by people protesting. that's good news, because the lockdowns have had tremendous costs, as you said, not justst economic costs, but mental and physical costs. we're not getting cancer screenings, not going to the emergency room, not getting elective surgeries, all of this, the result of these lockdowns. we will see a lot of depression and suicide as a result. here is why it's not working. lockdowns work bestse when there isn't a lot of virus in the community. let's look at australia. australia closed their borders for six months, nobody in a

nobody out. they had a small amount of virus. compared to our 2 million cases here in the united states and probably a lot more than that that hasn't been diagnosed, australia has had 7,000 cases and over the past 24 hours five cases.ur that follows what we knew from 1918 spanish flu where st. louis locked down in advance of the spanish flu coming from boston. australia learned that lesson and we didn't. time we learned another lesson and start to let up on the lockdowns while keeping the social distancing in place as tbest we can. i think our protests have taught us that. still too soon to be sure, but i believe that the world health organization is probably right. there's a lot of a systematic cases out there, but it's those that are sick, those that are coughing and sneezing that are spreading it the most. >> tucker: these protests have taught us a lot.

i saw governor gretchen whitmer who has tortured michigan for months not social distancing. great to see you, thank you. >> the mask isn't enough. thank you, tucker. >> tucker: oh, they are such liars. and who knows that well? ric grenell. three months as the acting director of national intelligence but in that span, he did more than anyone in memory to bring to light from a to bring to the public which owns those documents the truth about what actually happened while we weren't watching. ric grenell joins us for his first interview since leaving public service after the break. e

♪ >> tucker: in his most recent job overseeing american intelligence, ric grenell declassified documents we should have seen much earlier including some that showed the fbi entrapped michael flynn and did it for political reasons. it was a remarkable thing to learn. a trump administration official actually working on behalf of a the administration's interests and the public's interest as well. jim mattis publicly denounce the administration he once worked

for. in response to his statement, ric grenell tweeted this. "one of the biggest opponents of bringing u.s. troops home, by committing to this policy. why would mattis take the job and then undermine the policy? it's what d.c. types do." we are happy t to have him joins for his first interview tonight. expand on that tweet for a second if you will. you say that's what d.c. types do. what did you mean by that? >> look, the fact of the matter is we have a real problem in washington, d.c., because it's a system that is no longer republican and democrats pushing against each other to create a good policy, it is no longer a fight between republicans and democrats. it's a fight between washington and the rest of america and leta me expand on that. what we have is a system in washington and you know this, where people get jobs if you're there and you know

someone and it's like musical chairs from one agency to another. there is no outside thought, no outside perspective. when someone like donald trump comes in saying why are we doing it this way. they attack him because doesn't play by he's breaking the system, doesn't play by their rules. i saw that by entering the intelligence world, and senators from the democratic party saying you have no experience, why shouldn't you -- why should you be thereg and trying to lead this office of director of national intelligence, and the fact of the matter is, nobody said that my first intelligence briefing was in 2001 before senator mark warner got his intelligence briefing. the same guy who said that i wasn't qualified.r i actually am a receiver of intelligence, an expert on the consumer part of the intelligence and how to utilizes it, but that perspective has never brought to washington.

you've got to grow up, you've got to be the deputy assistant secretary, and then the assisant secretary and something else and before you know it, you are indoctrinated. >> tucker: that is not democracy, that is subversion of democracy, but let me ask you a very blunt question on how a lot of us who grew up here reflexively respecting our intelligence agencies defending us from the soviets are awakening to the factt that there's a lot of sinister behavior that we know nothing about. what was your assessment? whatou was your assessment? should we be worried about what they are doing in our name? >> first of all, let's always remember that intelligence is an estimate. sometimes we get it right and sometimes we get it wrong. it's utilized by policymakers to say here is the current information of what we know and here is the current information that we don't know, use it to make good policies. and instead, what we had ass

policymakers that manipulated. i had intelligence officers who didn't want to brief the hill any longer because their words would be manipulated. >> tucker: that is less surprising. ric grenell, who did more to bring to light the public information we should've heard a long time ago, thank you for what you did. we will be right back.

♪ >> tucker: as we go tonight, want to reiterate something we talked about at the beginning of the show ended as this. when peoplee try to force you to say things you know are not true it's a power play period oft making them submit makes you feel powerful and it's hard to resist of the consequences and for resisting can be profound. it do it anyway, tell the truth no matter what. the sake of your dignity, sake

of the country, your children, and grandchildren. when this is all over and it will be over, if you have told the truth, you will be proud. if you haven't, you won't be. that's it for us tonight, have a great evening. sean hannity is right now from new york. >> sean: i think it's the number one best-selling book of all time, the truth shall set you free. tonight, we begin with what i believe can be an extraordinarily dangerous movement that could create real serious danger. life-threatening danger to many americans, and that is this new defund the police movement and sadly, it is picking up a lot of steam. we are now seeing it in some areas around the country watching a lot of cities tonight. will show them to you including minneapolis. local politicians are trying to dismantle entire police departments altogether without any plawh