george floyd coming home next to his mom, the graveyard some 11 miles from the service today. that will do it for us today. >> dana: welcome to "the five." you are looking live as the funeral procession for george floyd is underway in houston, texas. that is the city where he grew up. taking him to his final resting place at the houston memorial gardens cemetery. it was an emotional day for family and friends. around 500 mourners gathered to pay their respects. we have all of "the five" standing by for our thoughts today. let's first go to alicia acuna who can give us an update on the memorial today. >> hi, dana. more than four and a half hours service concluded within the last half-hour and as you mentioned folks are starting to make their way in the processi procession, the 12-mile

procession to the cemetery. george floyd was remember not only is the man whose death launched a movement but a human being who left behind family and friends. the fountain of praise church filled with 500 people. the number of people limited due to coronavirus. the 46-year-old black man who lost his life under the need of a now former minneapolis police officer was honored for the wore did in houston's third ward housing projects with troubled youth and as a loving and fun uncle and good friend. a man who died in a moment of great injustice. >> they rejected him for jobs. they rejected him for positions. they rejected him to play certain teams. god took the rejected stones and made them the cornerstone of a

movement that's going to change the whole wide world. >> dana, his casket is now being taken to the houston memorial gardens for what will be a very private ceremony. he will be laid to rest next to the burial site of his mother. dana. >> dana: alecia, thank you. source is now telling fox news that president trump will soon have a list of potential reforms guarding policing they could be implemented. john roberts is of the white house with more. >> good afternoon. as we watched the hearse and the funeral procession in houston. here in washington, d.c., mark meadows, white house chief of staff, jared kushner and jeron smith, the president's domestic policy advisor, returning from capitol hill to the white house where they met with south carolina senator tim scott about potential policing reforms they could be implemented in the wake of the terrible tragedy with george floyd. this would be i'm told a

combination of legislative and executive actions. senator tim scott is running point in the senate in terms of what might happen on capitol hill, and hear the white house the executive action will be taken in conjunction with the department of justice to see what could be tweaked in terms of police reform without going through the legislative process. mark meadows stopped to talk on the way out and he said senator scott gave us some really good input. hoping to move forward in a meaningful way. priorities for the white house, mike meadows had, we are letting the stakeholders make the priorities and hopefully -- hopeful we can be responsive with real legislation or action. want to let our actions speak louder than words. the president has in the last couple weeks been criticized for not coming out and addressing the nation on this issue but the president prefers to let actions speak more than words and what he's been doing is for the last couple weeks he's been putting his efforts into policies that could potentially going to place

to prevent something like the george floyd tragedy from happening in the future. what the president wants to do here seek a balance. i'm told there could be some crossover with some of the democratic proposals that we saw floated from the house yesterday. told that the crossover probably would not be too broad but what the president really is the key here is to be able to protect communities while at the same time not tying the hands of police. he is going to work with federal officials, he's going to work with mayors, community leaders, as well as law enforcement and we saw the roundtable yesterday, law enforcement leaders. trying to come up with some ideas that everybody can become, with that still allow police to be on the streets and the numbers the president believes they need to be in but at the same time make sure that the community is protected from potential bad apples in the police department and there's a greater engagement between police forces in the community. the president said yesterday that one of the things that

really has to happen here is police departments need to rebuild trust or build trust if they don't have it now with the communities that they serve to make sure people can live together to a greater degree of harmony than they clearly are now. as you see people lining the streets in houston as the hearse makes its way to the burial plot where george floyd will be buried beside his mother. a lot happening here in washington. dana, we don't quickly is going to happen. there has been some suggestion that maybe will get the ideas later on this week and it may not be until next week. we'll see. >> dana: john, thank you so much. let me bring in jesse watters, juan williams, brian kilmeade and dagen mcdowell as we continue to see on your screen the funeral procession of george floyd as he goes to his final resting place. it will be next to his mother, the woman he cried out for in his final moments. juan williams, if i can start with you, reflections on today or what we just heard about news

from washington about some possible bipartisan agreement about some potential police reforms. >> juan: thanks, dana. i think it's been a very emotional day for the family and it was really the family that spoke about george floyd at the funeral in such personal ways, to talk about a poor kid who grew up in the projects in the third ward in houston. the kid who was so big, known as big george or. perry. the picture away from the news and the noise and all the protests, we see a human being. so appropriate that we focus on the fact there's a man there who lost his life in an unfortunate manner. in response to your question about all that's going on, i

think they're so much arguing sometimes about this slogan, defund the police. i think you see, as john roberts just reported, that this idea of reforming the police has tremendous power and is very popular even extending to the white house now in terms of what steps can be taken in order to make the policing more effective and prevent acts of brutality. i think we are in a moment or we can start to see that maybe this is something that's much larger, as they set at the funeral, george floyd was known to almost no one outside the family and friends before now. but he has started a movement and his name will be remembered. >> dana: dagen mcdowell, maybe talk a little bit about that family and of course they shared their grief with all of us today and i know that you are no stranger to grief. people, life is hard and we lose loved ones.

this one playing out on the world stage in the family coming to the podium today to really talk about him and how they loved on him and be willing to cry in front of all of us. >> dagen: when you lose a family member in such a violent way, it's like any other -- it's unlike any loss. funerals are about healing. it's not just to remember the life of the person who passed. it's about showing up and starting the healing process particularly for the family. you show up, you go, you pray for them. you offer your unwavering support. this day and in the days and weeks and months to come. this is not just about beginning the journey of healing for george floyd's family. it's also about healing for the nation and really around the world. i am sure millions of people

watched this funeral today and it's about remembering. there's a higher power guiding us and saving us and hopefully remembering this day and watching that funeral, i watched every minute of it, we are a different nation tomorrow and next week and next month and we will do what's right and george floyd's name. we will do what's right for one another. >> dana: jesse watters, let's get some of your thoughts today. >> jesse: well, it's a good reminder that the last two weeks have really been about george floyd. este levinson, it's not about cliches are empty slogans. it's about justice for floyd. and what can we do for that. how do we end racism? it really has to do with people's hearts, not what they chant or how they like something on fire and how we attack each other on television. it's about your heart and what

do people want in this country? they want to be treated fairly and equally under the law, no matter what their skin color, no matter what car they drive, what they look like, where they have been born, what political party there from, what religion they are. they just want to be treated equally. if we can start there, that's a very good start. the other thing is people want respect. the police want respect. they don't want to be cursed at. they don't want to be hit. they don't want people running away. they don't want people resisting. but the subjects themselves who are being pulled over, they really want respect too. when you come in and you're a police officer coming to a high crime area, whether it's white or black, a lot of the times when you pull people out of the car, you detained them in handcuffs. you don't make an arrest. you detained them in handcuffs. maybe you make them lay down on the ground. they do that with white people.

they do it with black people. police officers do that to protect themselves because they don't know what's in the car, if someone has a weapon, who this person is. they do that for their own safety. for everybody's safety. but it's easy to see how if you're at an african-american person in this country and if you live in a high crime area and you are innocent and you haven't done anything wrong and you are constantly being pulled over and told to get in the handcuffs. you're being detained. lay down on your stomach. after a while, that's going to build up. so the police officers, they need to use some sort of de-escalation tactics without putting themselves in danger because they are scared too. these are tough areas sometimes. they are in these tough areas because they love these areas. they want to help people. they don't want to hurt people. the police officers in this country have saved so many more black lives than they have tak

taken. i think it's just important to what we talked about yesterday, this idea of community policing, getting to know people. getting to know the community and trusting and rebuilding that trust and that can go a long way. before we get the idea of bigger internal affairs departments. or better use of teasers or mandatory body cameras, things like that. that can happen later. i think first we just need to respect one another and treat each other equally. >> dana: beautifully said. brian kilmeade, obviously your person that's written about history in america has dealt with this issue of racism over and over again. a lot of people at the funeral today said they do believe that there will be change after the murder of george floyd. tell me a little bit about your thoughts and reflections on that

today. >> brian: i have a lot a lot of i'm going to try to stay focused. number one, this the conversation i thought we were going to have two weeks ago but the protest became riots and the violence became overwhelming and the police begin the story online order became the issue because they just overwhelmed, which was a loss of a life that i think 96% of the country that was egregious, horrific, there needs to be justice for that police officer who's now sitting in prison probably for the rest of his life and a one million-dollar bail and the three others. we can litigate it. this should be the focus. as i washed out sharp and speak, he's talking about slavery 250 years ago and he's named after a slave master and he goes to one great and they're not even his family. he's not even -- you talk about history, the projects looking at frederick douglass, booker t. washington. as prideful as i am of america i

am so horrified about the first-hand accounts of what it was like being black in america and a slave in america. everything as bad as you been reading and seen the movies. when you get from that account for people who lived in the 1800s, people who were slaves like frederick douglass, escaped and then fought hard with lincoln to do the best we can to make our country better. you see how far we've come but the scars are still there. we are going to go back to wondering, for people who aren't racist, like everyone that i met and everyone on the panel, we want to know we canoe to get past it. every time something goes wrong, we want to blame the cops or want to blame whoever is in the middle of it. i am wondering as a country, how do we move past it and let people know who are watching the matter your color or your ethnic background that we agree with you. we think your equal. we will do our best to let you know that we feel that way and there is a minority of people

who feel as though they are better than you because of the color of their skin and their ethnic or religious backgrounds but that's not the majority in this country. >> dana: brian kilmeade, thank you. everybody, thank you. we have more to come. you're watching the funeral possession of -- procession of george floyd. he will continue and we'll be back on "the five." if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, ...little things... ...can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection

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>> jesse: welcome back. you are looking live at the funeral procession of george floyd in houston, texas. a very emotional day for his family and friends. floyd's death ignited a nationwide debate over police reform. president trump set to unveil a series of proposals as soon as this week. while many of the democratic party pushed back against calls to defund the

police, the movement facing blowback across the political spectrum. top democrats trying to distance themselves from it, including presumptive democratic nominee joe biden. >> i don't support defining the police. i support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness and can demonstrate they can protect the community and everybody in the community. >> jesse: leaders like the minneapolis city council president continue to call for dismantling the police. >> i think the idea of having a police free future is very aspirational. it's a long-term commitment. our police force has been in place for 150 years. we cannot take 150 years to solve this problem. but building up the systems of public safety is the highest priority, the very first priority along with getting more

accountability in our police department today. >> jesse: dana, what kind of political position does this put democrats in who i think nationally are trying to distance themselves from the defund the police movement but you have a very, very vocal minority of people on the fringes that are screaming pretty loudly about this and are not backing down. >> dana: speaker pelosi when she was asked about it yesterday when they introduce the democrats ideas for reform on policing, she was asked about it she said that's a local matter. but it's not just a local matter. they basically have painted it on the strait of washington, d.c. they are having to answer these questions for a reason. obviously they would prefer that they didn't have to deal with the fringe coming up with this idea to defund the police but you're actually having conversations now.

i heard a couple podcasts today. i wanted to understand do they really mean that there would be no police? this idea for example that you would have a social worker respond without any protection to a domestic violence call, i can see that you wouldn't want to escalate things but what if the domestic violence call is in fact violent and you have to protect the police officer or the person being victimized? a lot of this, it doesn't make sense. you pull on the thread and it's not there. i do think that there will be some progressives who will get frustrated with the democratic establishment and the prospective nominee, joe biden, for not taking it seriously. they are going to try to water down. they don't mean defund the police. when i think of the long run, police department are not going to be defunded. they might be reformed. i think cooler heads will

prevail in the end. >> jesse: i would agree with that. kill meat, do you think joe biden risks me kilmeade, do you think joe biden, he's having trouble articulating what it means to defund the police. does he get bogged down in something like this? >> brian: no question. or should i say watters. people trying to bow out artfully like nancy pelosi. the one thing that joe biden has an even "the washington post" points out is he has a past that's tough on crime. he's not worried about people's economic circumstances of the situation with the color of people skin. he came out with that crime bill. he was behind it and campaigned on it and was proud of it and he was running on it until he got the nomination now.

he suddenly says to himself i hope nobody will see where i stood on this for the last 40 years. i think you got a huge issue. the other problem is minneapolis, new york, los angeles have already made moves to defund the police or you're not happy with their performance so let them perform with less. most people, less equipment, less financing, worse uniforms, may be worse. so let's take a look at these cities. new york city's, shootings have increased 18% and burglaries 31% and carjacking 64%. minneapolis, carjackings up 45%. homicides up 60% burglaries of 28% and we know goes on in los angeles. the police union says we have 10,000 policemen and we are overwhelmed and now you're cutting the budget and calling us killers. thanks a lot. there is a reality and there's rhetoric. the reality is there's not going to be a person in this country was going to want to be a cop

after a while. there's not a lot of glory in it these days. >> jesse: that's right and you can see the funeral procession is exiting off the highway and we're going to stay close on that and keep you posted on what happens as george floyd is going to be laid to rest in a little while. juan williams, just picking up on what kilmeade just mentioned, doesn't bother you at all that some of these things came out of this legitimate movement that are so silly? i looked at some of the fine print with defund the police, they are talking about decriminalizing prostitution, sending a therapist to a crime scene, really, really ridiculous things. does it take away from this movement in your opinion when you add that to the looting and the violence that took place?

>> juan: i think it's a distortion of the moment. to my mind, if we are on "the five" were discussing left-wing democratic politics, i think we would say bernie sanders could personify it. what did bernie sanders say today? he is not at all engaged with defund the police. he thinks that's not a good idea. he said it's a nonstarter. what bernie sanders is saying is we have to find more effective ways of defining what we mean by policing. that is bernie sanders, far left democratic politics. you are hearing much the same from joe biden, nancy pelosi, from the mayor of minneapolis. everybody is saying we have to respond to the george floyd situation but it's not about saying there's not going to be any police. instead people are thinking about, how do you do this more effectively? if someone has a mental health issue, sending some one with a

gun may not be the best way to deal with it. maybe that person becomes violence in which case you do want to send a police officer. but again, is it the case that we want something like mental health services or for drug addicts, drug treatment programs. it's kind of a more sophisticated way and not putting police on what should not be police work in the country. i think it's important to understand that even as you can sort of caricature defund the police and make it an argument, it's a distortion from the reality of the kind of conversation, even the kind of legislation that we are seeing on capitol hill where they are talking about no choke hold, not allowing the police to just no knock and rush in your house, in the case of breonna taylor, kill her. or increase data on the use of excessive force by police so we can properly as a society track

what's going on and not allow the police to be belittled or charged with things that are not fair. it's all part of making us better and i don't think it's fair to say it's all about some loons on the left. as i said, even the people we would identify as the far left are not embracing this. >> jesse: that's what i'm trying to reconcile. this is the fine print from the black lives matter movement. this is what the city council from minneapolis is saying they want. this was ground zero. i'm not distorting it. i think we're just reporting what's kind of bubbled up from this movement and what has bubbled up, as you say correctly, it's very, very fringe. dagen, we talk a lot about joe biden and we talked a lot about bernie sanders and nancy pelosi. the president obviously has to

release some reforms pretty soon within the next couple days. how do you think he's handled the last week or so? >> dagen: at some point the american people need to hear from president trump in a carefully worded message, to use the word i used when we start of the show, of healing here. but also, what are you going to do in terms of police reforms? juan mentioned mental health. congressman will hurd wrote an editorial a few days ago on "the wall street journal" and pointed out 10% of police calls more than one quarter of fatal police shootings involved person with a mental illness, yet most states only require officers to undergo less than eight hours of training in handling these situations. very often when money is funneled into mental health services like here in new york city with thrive nyc which is run by the mayor's wife, she and the mayor spent a

billion dollars on that mental health initiative and couldn't even account for the number of people that helped or even how they helped them. so again, that's what happens with people start talking about, we are going to take money from police departments and move it into social services. new york already tried that experiment. the murder rate 30 years ago was more than six times higher than it is right now. it was only the addition of 6,000 police officers by mayor david dinkins at the time and then the introduction of policing responsibility icon ability. locally what's dangerous and happening in new york it's going on, the dangerous fallacy that crimes are victimless. that's the message that was sent by the bail reform. if you go down the list of crimes where people are arrested and don't have to put up any bail, it's changed slightly. they are trying to tweak it if

you go down the list of crimes, try aggravated assault of a child under the age of 11. you don't have to put up bail. and then you also have in san francisco the new d.a. they are eliminating cash bail and stop prosecuting what they call victimless crimes. guess what. every crime has a victim. if you get punched in the face in new york city and sent to the emergency room, no bail for that perp. it's in how local authorities are handling crime in this nation. >> jesse: i would agree. we are monitoring the funeral procession of george floyd. stay with "the five." tors, who've got their eczema under control. with less eczema you can show more skin. so roll up those sleeves.

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>> brian: you are looking live at the funeral procession of george floyd in houston, texas. it was a long, moving processional. president trump preparing as well to unveil a series of police reforms in the wake of floyd's death. the whole world watched. the president working with congress and the doj to come up with a set of proposals that will prioritize protection for communities without tying the hands of police. talking about making something bigger than just the funeral, something to change the country. senator, harris. >> you saw what president trump said. radical left democrats behind defunding the police. how do you respond? >> well, it's creating fear where none is necessary. we have to stop militarization of police but it doesn't mean we get rid of police. of course not. >> brian: that was commonly

harris. -- kamala harris. seen the casket of george floyd being taken from the hearse into the horse drawn carriage to the final resting place which will be right by his mom. that's where he grew up. he went to minneapolis. he went to college but after two years came back and had settled in minneapolis with his whole incident had taken place. a fine athlete in his day and now people were talking about his life all day and what his life meant and what it meant to his family. under any circumstances, as we see the casket being pushed. an extraordinary circumstance. under any circumstance, to go through the funeral of a loved one is trying. and it's a great tribute to that person's life when you have a long funeral. you have a long procession and when you have multiple memorial services. but it is also emotionally

taxing. how many times are you going to recount? recalibrate, look back at george's life, what he meant to you and what he meant others and also in the bigger picture now he is meant to the country. you'll people from other countries in front of u.s. embassies, their own cities, demanding reforms in their own countries, citing what happened in this country because of the way george lost his life. and i say just mentioned, we were talking about law enforcement, the changes that could be made, things we can learn. extreme circumstances, you have a movement in minneapolis, in new york city, in los angeles, juan mentioned, maybe it's fringe but it's happening the three major cities, to cut back on police funding and put it into different programs. as you see a final salute to george floyd himself. as he's going to be brought to his final resting place.

dana, as we look at this happening, the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching. it's not just an american story anymore. >> dana: you know through history that there are times when an event that seems maybe not that significant at the time and then actually becomes a moment that fuels change. rosa parks comes to mind. her decision that day to not go to the back of the bus. it's a story throughout history representative of something. when i heard today from the family members and others at the funeral was that they truly believe the george floyd's name will be remembered because they do believe there will be change. what we heard of the top of this show is that senator tim scott

has been tapped by senator mitch mcconnell to help the republicans move forward to find some bipartisan agreement on some police refor reforms. in a quick conversation with some republicans on the hill, they do believe this is actually possible. obviously partisan politics in the middle of an election year can sometimes offend those things. but i feel like when people are all suggesting that they do believe that this is a moment, time or something could change, that we will look back on this hopefully and recognize it as one of those times. if i could just say one other thing about, as we watch the funeral procession, george floyd, as we mentioned, is going to be laid to rest next to his mother. i spent a little bit of time yesterday listening to some interviews of people who had come from many states away to be

there for the public part of this memorial. over and over again, they said that they were so moved by the fact that george floyd called out for his mother in the last moments of his life. they were mothers who said "it really spoke to me." sun tzu said it meant so much to me, father she said they could understand it and i think one of the reasons why you see this frs that mothers and our reverence for mamas is an international, universal feeling. i think it feels very poignant right now that in this horse drawn carriage that he will go where he wanted to be, next to his mom. >> brian: his mom passed away a few years ago. his brother said we were just getting over our mom passing away and this strikes the family. the family unit sustains people during this time.

in the african-american community, they are looking at this and they are reaching almost into one family. i was encouraged by what dana started her remarks about, there's not a sense of i'm going to go to my corner and i think this and i'm going to go to my corner and i'm going to think this way. i think there's an opportunity for some common ground here and even though the democrats started writing legislation on their own without republicans, if there is some common ground, we are months away from the election, do you believe there could be something done towards criminal justice reform or policing reform? >> juan: brian, i was taken emotionally about what dana said about mothers. she was on the money, so i want to say that. it is so universal and so significant in terms of how

people speak about george floyd's death. obsolete people say they remember eric garner and "i can't breathe." i hear from so many people about the mother theme so i wanted to underline it. the other aspect in terms of what you're saying, brian, there is more of a national consensus than i've ever seen and i think it's reflected in the polling. there was polling from "abc news" earlier this week that said close to 60% of americans, americans who are liberal and conservative. black, white, asian, latino, say the police are more likely to use excessive force when dealing with black people in general booked black man i think is what we are really talking about. and that they object to it. they think it's time to change it and you hear this of course in stories from people like senator scott, the only black person who's a u.s. republican senator. you even hear it from his calling, lindsey graham, the

other south carolina senator says we've got a problem. you hear it from mitch mcconnell and a lot of people think mitch mcconnell never says anything about racial issues in our country. mitch mcconnell said you know what, we have got to look at this. we've got a problem here. so to me i do think there is the opportunity when you have such widely held consensus. you mention partisan politics is going to start throwing mud balls. but i'm hopeful. i choose to be optimistic because i think that the american people, having witnessed this injustice, are truly moved and truly have some emotional feelings and want to do better. we want our better selves to be reflected, including the actions of our police department. >> brian: hopeful, i like that. let's go to jesse. jesse, talking about a hopeful moment. i also think that in the big picture if we are looking

holistically, i would love law enforcement to be at the table. they have no interest in being the villain. the baltimore situation in particular, with freddie gray, they talked about how few families were in nuclear families there are in baltimore, the father and the mother. is there anyway to get get back to rebuilding the family, the family in america again and start instilling some of those values to law enforcement doesn't end up being one of the parents. >> jesse: i think that should vehicle for all communities across this country. we saw what happened with some of the violence in the second term of the obama administration. you have the ferguson effect where after these very, very hot racial shootings, the police pulled back because they didn't want to be put in a position where they were second-guessed and in an attempt to save a life were then vilified for policing

to aggressively. and crime rates skyrocketed all across the major cities in this country, including homicides. no one wants that. black people don't want it. black people don't wanted. hispanics don't want it for the police don't wanted. nobody wants it. so to juan's point, we are at a consensus and that's a good thing and i think it speaks to the fact that we have come so far as a country from the founding to the civil war, all of the bloodshed they are to the civil rights movement, the "i have a dream" speech, to barack obama being elected president of the united states. we have got to a moment now where there is a horrific, unjust murder of a black man in handcuffs on the ground and the country is so outraged by it that it just says that this country is not as bad as people painted to be. if you put black and white people at a baseball game, at a

football game, a bar or restaurant, a train station, no one has a problem with each other. we all like each other. it's just that we get into our corners when something like this happens and we don't know each other, we don't see each other, we don't talk to each other. everyone is on pins and needles now because they are afraid to say the wrong thing. now silence means you're complicit in violence. so people don't know what to do. people feel helpless. i think we have to talk to each other and recognize the fact that we are all in this together as an american people. >> brian: dagen, tough to follow that up, pretty comprehensive look. that's my hope is that we have constructive conversations where it's not well, blame this community. blame the police officers. blame this party. blame this president. blame the past president. the minute that happens, people just go and say okay, i'm not

going to say anything. i'm just going to believe what i believe. you think this might be different? >> dagen: let's hope it's different. but ultimately it comes down to your local community, the relationships that individuals have been a town or city with one another, in their church, with the police department. you are all talking about kind of the community relationship among, between police and the people who live in these towns. that's what it's ultimately going to come down to and then the states. it's the state's duty under the constitution, the right to protect residents and citizens but also the duty to protect the residents and the citizens. that's where, if you listen to the democrats and the republicans on this who are in leadership, they are really on the same page. just as a nation was horrified

at the murder of george floyd. we are on the same page and how to prevent more of these tragedies from happening in the future. >> brian: absolutely. tim scott just wrote me back. i asked him about the bill. he says it's got dollars and reporting and training around de-escalation, better record-keeping locally to see officers records more public. funding for body cameras. i think a lot of the stuff overlaps with what democrats are working on. keep your fingers crossed as we continue to watch this emotional perception. more on george floyd's funeral procession coming up. stay with "the five." [cymbals clanging] [knocking] room for seven. and much, much more.

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>> juan: we are continuing to monitor the funeral procession of george floyd in houston, texas, as you can see. his body now being taken by a team of horses to his final resting place. meanwhile, in other big news, even more confusion about how the coronavirus spreads. the world health organization is doing a 180 after making this stunning claim yesterday about transmitting the virus. >> we have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. they are following asymptomatic cases. they are following contacts and

they're not finding secondary transmission. it's very rare. >> juan: the w.h.o. forced to walk back those comments this morning. they are saying now that as many as 41% of the population could have the virus without displaying any symptoms. dagen, i've got to tell you, it's like, what am i to think? is it that they just don't know that this is evolving, that this is science? what do you make of this? >> dagen: i don't know, juan. i don't speak or read idiocy. this is why we are defunding the world health organization. this is not, the w.h.o. has done this repeatedly. just in april, the w.h.o. said antibodies had not been shown to provide any immunity to the coronavirus, to covid-19. 12 hours later, it had to reverse itself and then this is my favorite gem from the w.h.o.

that helped unleash this deadly virus on the u.s. on the world. "preliminary investigations conducted by chinese authorities found no clear evidence of human to human transmission of the novel coronavirus identified in wuhan, china." january 14, week later, reverse course. by the way, that's about the time my friend who lives here in new york city contracted it. this organization is literally deadly. >> juan: brian, you know, we are all human. we are all worried about the virus. this erodes trust, it least that's the way i'm thinking. what are you thinking? >> brian: so many things, it's hard to keep it clear between the mask issue, between it's not going to spread human to human, between oh, my goodness. if it gets on any countertop or chair, don't touch it or else you're going to get the virus and then all of a sudden's very rare to be able to pick up this virus by a countertop or touching anything. really?

which. wear a mask, don't wear a mask. we are not going to serve you. really? asymptomatic, you can't get it from asymptomatic people. hours later they walk it back but that makes no sense. i'm okay with doctors and scientists being wrong. i'm not okay with destroying people's livelihoods because we are counting on them to be right and we gave you 15 days and you asked for 30 and then 45 days. we are in day 100. a restaurant can't open in most states. lee's huge city called new york city and los angeles, you can go to a gym. you can buy liquor but you can't buy a postcard. you can go to the post office and go to a supermarket but you can't buy cleats. who made up these rules? we're going to look back and say how did the american people become such sheep, they continue to make us feel like idiots because we listened to them and give them credit. i think about all those small businesses that are never coming

back, that you pour yourself in for 100 hours a week to make a restaurant work and then it's destroyed because some guy with a stethoscope says you better shut it down. or everyone is going to die. it turns out it's just not the case. >> juan: well, i mean, i can't agree with that because i think we've got 100,000 people dead. something's going on. but jesse, timmy, dr. fauci in an interview that aired today said this is not even over. we're just getting through the beginning, that there is more to come. again, i hope the audience has a clearer view than i do but i trust dr. fauci what he is saying we are not even at the -- that we are at the beginning. >> jesse: may be audience usually has a more clear -- i'm not going to say it.

[laughter] i mean wtf, w.h.o. they got it wrong on china, transmission, hydroxychloroquine, the antibodies, pretty much everything but the left wants to fund the w.h.o. and they want to defund the police. you see how that works? the w.h.o. has probably been more deadly in 2020 than the police in the united states. go figure. i think what we need to do because it's such a political organization, we need to make a new international health organization and appoint dr. siegel to be the president of it. that's when we can get through the woods. >> juan: dana, again. dana, when i look at the numbers before the show, it said that since the start of june, there have actually been an increase

in the rates of infection in 14 states and puerto rico. as i was saying earlier, 109,000 people have died. 1.9 million reported cases of people contracting the virus. so if that's the case and we have these conflicting indicators from the scientist, what do you think? >> dana: i feel like there has been an absolute collapse of the ability of our major institutions especially in public health to communicate clearly to the public. i feel that if they don't know the answers to some think, that that would be more understandable than having these flip-flops. it is like john kerry and the 2004 election, i can keep my head straight. my mom went to the grocery store for the first time in four months today. because she finally had the confidence. colorado is opening. she's able to be able to go. they have to do better job because americans will not stand

for this again. >> juan: dana, thank you. thank you for being with us. "special report" is up next. ♪ >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, we are looking live at images from houston texas, the casket of george loyd following an emotional for our funeral service. his death at the hands of a minneapolis police officer captured in graphic video, shocked much of the country and set in motion a worldwide call for law enforcement reform. starting off tonight from houston. good evening. >> good evening, bret. mourners inside the fountain of praise church and worldwide online and on television witnessed a ceremony filled with beautiful music, rage, and remembrance for a man