>> ed: we are going to watch our fox news interview this afternoon, may be about to unveil some new proposals, we will be on that all day tomorrow as well. >> sandra: of course, we will be watching that. great to be with you, that does it for us. we will see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: a fox news alert, we are awaiting possible remarks on president trump as he leaves the white house shortly for dallas, this is going to be a high-stakes roundtable happening in dallas later today. the trip comes amid his growing showdown with officials in washington state. protesters storming seattle city hall yesterday at demanding that jenny durkin resign. if she refuses to refund the police department there. protesters also continuing to camp out in what they have declared a police-free autonomous zone downtown.

police forced to abandon one of their precinct buildings located inside that area spanning six blocks. president trump tweeting "radical left governor jay inslee end of the mayor of seattle being taunted and played at a level that our great country has never seen before." take back your city now. if you don't do it, i will. this is not a game, these ugly anarchists must be stopped immediately. move fast. "but washington governor jay inslee firing back at the president, saying he should stay out of washington state's business. seattle's mayor tweeting the president "make us all safe and go back to your bunker." this is "outnumbered" and i melissa francis. fox news correspondent gillian turner, fox news contributor katie pavlich, fox news contributor jessica tarlov and joining us today, host of "making money" on the fox business network,

charles payne. harris faulkner is in dallas ahead of her exclusive interview with president trump. in the meantime, charles payne, let me start with you. is there any doubt that the mayor and the governor in seattle and in washington have lost control? >> out a press conference, he was like what? who? if you live in that city or state, you got to ask yourself, where does it end. only enable these folks, believe

me, they will take every inch that the governor and mayor gives them. they get these anarchists, that basically want to take over and around the city as we see in seattle. what do you think about that? how do you stop that? >> seattle has always been ground zero, but locally you had the police chief talking this morning about how this wasn't simply a peaceful protest or even camp out, that they regularly see in seattle, this is armed anarchists demanding payment, demanding people get in line with the rules and the

video you're watching now with them going and debating city hall so that these people, there is no middle ground here. you have to fund the police and given to demand, one of our reporters at town hall, he saying they're calling this a people's republic of china capitol hill. there were no police anywhere, you mentioned that the police precinct was abandoned, this is what happened when you do not get in front of this and there is nowhere to go from here. >> melissa: i want to lean on your security expertise, to me this looks like what we used to see around the world trade organization, when they do have these international meetings and they'd be protesters and the anarchists would come out in force with molotov cocktails and other things and it was very scary, what are we seeing here

>> gillian: this protest zone is only as safe as every individual who is there participating in this decides to be which is part of the problem. without any police, law enforcement presence at all, things can become dangerous and get out of hand very quickly. ar have been for the most part not violent, not belligerent, but that can change on the turn of a dime and the other thing here, as katie just pointed out is that this is been happening not only in spite of the city but increasingly the protest zone has kind of developed with the permission of state and city officials. they are working hand in glove with these people, the police chief was seen out there talking to protesters, asking if they had everything they needed in terms of water and food and

sanitation, talking about setting up public toilets there for them so it really is at this point and effort, the anarchists are being aided and abetted by law enforcement officials. this might work for 5 minutes but it's not on model, not something that can be replicated beyond the stone for any period of time, it can become dangerous very quickly. >> melissa: jessica, what do you say about that? many people are going to point to this and say, this is what defund the police looks like, you know, you have a mayor that's telling the president to go away and as gillian described, they are working hand in glove with these folks and allowing this to go on as if we are watching an experiment in what it's like for a local mayor to support no police. and to me it looks terrifying, do you think to voters it looks like the utopia that those who are staying defund on the police

are looking for? 's people absently not and i think gillian is really spot on when she says this is something you can do for 5 minutes but it's not sustainable. i know earlier in the week we've been having conversations about what defund the police actually means in the fact that it doesn't mean what the slogan says it's a really big problem, that's why you heard people come out against it, nancy pelosi, joe biden is going to be our nominee in november to say no, we don't want to defund the police, we want to reform the police or reimagine the police. i'm interested to see if this spreads beyond seattle which is a super liberal haven and the mayor has been on the side of the protesters, very forcefully throughout all of this, more so than other big-city mayors, i would say very about this is a five-minute solution, it's not long term and i really hope it doesn't spread to other cities because it looks terrible. >> melissa: yeah.

so, charles, you hear jessica trying to distance the democratic candidate in the main part of the party for our route we are seeing on the screen and maybe she's right but do you think the rest of america and most importantly though is getting to vote in november, did they see a big distance between what's going on in seattle and the rest of the democratic par democratic party? >> charles: i don't think they see a big distance and i think this high wire act is going to become a lot more difficult, the democrats come together, they try to bring in the bernie wing and the aoc wing. even kamala harris, who may be the number one potential vp candidate is already out saying defund the police and she can quibble about "what it means," the fact of the matter is, while joe biden came out i initially and said he doesn't want to do that, he's already mincing his words a little bit so this idea of setting up individual lord of the flies and individual cities as we all watch is frightening to all americans and it's going to be a political high wire act

for biden and his presumptive vp candidate. >> melissa: katie, that's so interesting because democrats are really between a rock and a hard place right now and the rock and a hard place obviously is the right and "law & order" or any other way of living besides what's going on in seattle, the hard place being that part of their party that does want to defund the police and much like the politicians in seattle which are encouraging and cooperating with this, those folks, as democrats and joe biden and nancy pelosi and others to announce something like this, those folks get even angrier, do they not? >> katie: when you look at public opinion into these types of things on the way police have responded to these types of anarchists, riots, and protests, the vast majority of americans believe the police could've been more aggressive to quell unrest. some people across the country who are voters are looking at seattle, they're saying, is this

going to come to a city near me? and is the president of the united states going to protect me and the citizens here if the local officials and the governor and the mayors are going to enable this type of bad behavior that is economic consequences, their burning things down, and consequences if they are taking over completely, large parts, blocks of the city, that is something they have to ask for but you're right, the left flank of the democratic party which joe biden has advisors who are part of that left-wing on his campaign, aoc is one of them, she is -- they brought them in because of course, bernie sanders wanted a bunch of delegates at the convention because they want some kind of part on the platform moving forward and they have to make a decision here about whether they are on the side of "law & order" or anarchy because that is the perception and what we are seeing. >> jessica: melissa, can i step in quickly -- >> melissa: i want to follow

on one point that she made because charles, she said the economic impact, can you imagine a business setting up shop in seattle, can you imagine in that zone -- who's going to sell food? you think starbucks is going to be there? who is going to provide basic services? who in their right mind as those people are shaking down people who have businesses, who is this going to hurt the most in the long run? your thoughts really quick? >> charles: we are going to get an assessment from all of these riots real soon, it's going to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars with a greater point is that a lot of these businesses will never return. those basic services will be gone, perhaps for a generation of people living there. >> melissa: absolutely. >> jessica>> gillian: sorry, me, there is a hot dog stand selling $6 hot dogs inside the zone right now. that's who's making money off of this. lots of people are stuck there

without food. >> jessica: absolutely -- >> melissa: president trump -- go ahead, jessica. >> jessica: i wanted to say quickly, to katie's point about the polls on police using more force, that 70% of americans standing on the side of the protesters, we've seen a 20-point increase in support for black lives matter since 2015 and that's 49% of white americans, the american public is on the side of the people who are out there so i just want that to be made clear. >> melissa: when i don't know. not sure when they watch these videos. we've got to go, we will talk about it more in the next block. president trump set to depart the white house any moment now for dallas, texas, ahead of his roundtable. we will bring you any remarks he makes and later, the president will sit down with our very own harris faulkner in the lone star state. harris is here and asked to give us a preview of her exclusive interview. ♪ it's a new day for veterans all across america.

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>> melissa: fox news alert, president trump getting ready to depart from the white house to dallas, texas, ahead of his roundtable discussion with police leaders into small business owners there. we are also waiting for an announcement on his administration's plan to tackle police reform in the wake of george floyd's death. the white house says the proposal will balance "law & order" with reform. >> making sure we hear the voices of all of those, an appropriate piece of policy that protects law enforcement and make sure they are able to do their job and protects their communities but also has the appropriate amount of reform to take into account and to address what we saw in that horrendous,

horrendous video of the death of george lloyd. >> melissa: this amid a growing push to defund the police, local officials in dozens of cities across the country now voicing support for reducing funding for police departments or redirecting it to other priorities. our own harris faulkner will be sitting down with president trump later today in dallas for an exclusive interview to discuss all of this and harris joins us now live from dallas, welcome. i know you, i know how much homework you do and how much your heart is into this, what do you plan on discussing with the president? >> thank you, melissa, and it's great to see you from dallas. the news is changing moment by moment today and the big headline of course will be what this revitalization of both regarding race relations, police reform and the economy, that's what we are told the president is going to be talking with the black leadership and black clergy at the gateway church

here in dallas, that's what he will touch on with them but i would have a gas because of the last couple of days that the president will doing a lot more listening than talking or at lee advised to him. as we saw just a short time ago, john roberts reporting that the head of the joint chiefs of staff and not apologized for being alongside the president during that photo up as he turned it outside the church in washington, d.c., and some of the headlines now have to do with new videos, new audio recordings of black men in recent months, before george floyd it, caught videotape dying at the hands of law enforcement, uttering the words that they could not breathe, these are all things that are popping onto the landscape and our sensitivities to them now, you've got people with videos apparently that have always been there but now

they're out there, our sensitivity is, it's time to talk about this. there is always as we know historically, a tipping point, a historical moment and we haven't heard national address from this present so i will ask him about all of that, is this that tipping point, what we hear from him and what would he want to say now that he hasn't set already and 16, 17 days of protesting. >> melissa: i imagine you're also going to ask him about the situation in seattle dominating the headlines today, people looking at that through different lenses and you know, i'm sure you've heard in the last talk, gillian detailing how the local government areas working with and basically encouraging this in seattle and what are his thoughts as the mayor there says, go back in your bunker, we don't need any help? >> and what are his thoughts as we hear reports that the president would actually get involved in that and would have some sort of plan for that bay because those are the reports,

what would that look like? it certainly couldn't look any less toxic than what we saw breaking off in chicago with that mayor and the alderman lopez in the 15th ward after people were dying and he went to her and said "do you have a plan?" i could be wrong about that but we are going to ask the president about that, we're going to ask him about the fact that it doesn't seem that the crowds of protesters on either coast are necessarily quelling. they are peaceful for the highest percentage we've seen in the course of days of all this going on, seattle notwithstanding, where is he anticipating that things will sort of quiet down and what will it take for this president to unite us? it's not just black and brown people in the streets, we are accompanied very differently than we were in the '50s end

'60s, its every walk of life, gender, men, women, everybody. the you know? and i talk to you because you and i are students of history, we often talk about how we get to certain moments. i say all of this because what will the next phase look like? can we inform it from this position? that's what i want to ask the president, can you affect change in such a way that when history looks back it looks favorably on, they did everything they could lead by a president who was engaged. and not tweeting. >> melissa: katie? >> katie: hey, harris, congratulations on the interview, i'm looking forward to seeing you in dallas with the president, the president was elected on law and order the first time around, we are in an election year, he's always been supportive of law enforcement

and throughout this process has tried to balance his comments about george floyd and the killing of george floyd but also being supportive of what the law enforcement community means, what do you expect from him about that, balancing what occurred from these officers with some kind of reform to avoid this situation in the future? >> it's a great question and i really want to try to ask it in such a way that it also communicates who i am as a person and a journalist, somebody who has hosted virtual town halls on the subject of public safety and i have tried to inform the public to understand what life would be like if we had great relations with our police officers and may be engender the spirit of catching and identifying and removing those among them who shouldn't wear a badge. but i really do want to know the president's thoughts on a society that would be shaken by

any sort of defunding of police department at a time when we are leaning on the more than ever and i don't just mean the rioters and the problems we had amid the peaceful protesters. domestic violence that is so unpredictable, with the los angeles police department weeded out, saying that in the first week of protesting in their city we saw a 250% rise in violent crime. that sort of thing. when you call 911, you want to have some sort of police reform such that that phone call gets answers from people who feel like they are part of a wider conversation and they appreciated as well. the president i know has thoughts about this, i want him to tell me what he means when he says law and order. >> melissa: yeah. harris, we know you're going to do a fantastic job. we are all going to watch the

interview, thank you. joe biden set to hold a roundtable with community leaders and philadelphia, the 2020 campaign with the president announcing rallies in key swing states and levying new accusations. we will be right back. >> my single greatest concern, trying to steal this election. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years.

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warning about the election, watch. >> voting by mail while he sits behind the desk in the oval office, to vote in the primary. >> melissa: gillian, let me start with you on this idea of reopening the rallies, seems like by virtue of seeing these huge protests get together, people out there in the street, throngs of humanity, we ripped the band-aid on big political groups getting back together but it would not be wise for the president to go to a state where the governor or the local mayor doesn't have control because we see these anarchist groups at the very least come in and really cause a scene that might overshadow whatever rallies having. >> gillian: i think that is a fair assessment, melissa.

at the same time i think both sides are really concerned about the political objects and when it comes to large numbers of people congregating together for political purposes that they support, republicans and democrats, they are okay with it. when they don't agree with the cause at hand with the political objective, suddenly covid-19 becomes the number one concern and the public health of all americans becomes front and center, this is a volleyball we are going to see go back and forth for months, probably years, until there is a vaccine and most americans are vaccinated and you don't have to learthink about coronavirus on a daily basis. one of the things that is shocking but not surprising in the sense that it's a pretty tried and true democrat political talking point to accuse republicans of stealing the election, it's something hillary clinton did in 2016, she said something similar which was

that, if votes were contested in certain states, polls weren't entirely clear, president trump would certainly try and steal the office of the presidency so biden is really not original or unique in that, i would point out that the former dnc chair person who is advising biden now told supporters, donors earlier this week that biden is not doing so bad in the basement, he should stay in the basement because he can stay on defense there and i think that his counsel he's going to follow more and more moving forward. when i talked to operatives they all tell me that. >> melissa: jessica, what are your thoughts on that? >> jessica: joe biden staying in the basement? i would like him out in the world, i think it was extremely productive for him to go out on memorial day, give that speech on race and i think that people start holding more miniature rallies, nothing like a stadium rally that president trump might

be doing next week. i just want to say about the tulsa valley that i find it to be completely tone-deaf that the president is doing this on juneteenth, the anniversary of the freeing of the. many companies across america have made that a holiday including where i work, twitter is doing the same, foursquare is doing the same in tulsa obviously as a city has a deep racial history there with one of the largest race riots -- i think that he shouldn't be doing that on that day and i know that stephen miller about this was a good idea, i think it is a terrible idea and to the point about voter disenfranchisement, what we saw in georgia this week for instance proves what joe biden is saying and there's a new report that shows that people of color are waiting 45% longer to vote than white people and we saw that with the white suburbs of atlanta, 20 minutes in and out versus up to seven hour waiting in line for black people in georgia.

>> melissa: katie, do you want to address any of that? specifically this idea of being in tulsa on juneteenth. >> katie: look, the idea that president trump is somehow going to steal the election is a democratic talking point that hillary clinton hasn't been able to get over since she lost the 2016 election, joe biden is now using it and it seems like he doesn't have much confidence in his own ability to win the white house fair and square. the trump administration has always said, we didn't need help from the russians, we didn't need help from anybody else, we didn't steal the election, we won by getting on the ground and talking to voters. with this roundtable, opening up the american economy, he's said barely anything about the riots, a number of businesses in the cities were destroyed and the majority of them are minority businesses, by the way and he is about a month behind the president on every single thing he has suggested. a month ago the white house

launched an economic task force to move forward, joe biden is behind and if we can hold a rallies and protest in the streets then we can certainly go to the polls in november and vote safely in person. >> melissa: i'm glad you mention to the economy because we are watching the dow plunged roughly 1300 points as coronavirus infections are increasing in some states and amid the fact that so many americans still remain out of a job despite signs of a gradual economic recovery. last week, some 1.5 million laid-off workers applied for unemployment benefits. bringing the total number of people who have filed during the pandemic to more than 40 million. all this as the federal debt rises above $26 trillion for the first time and amid massive relief spending. the data first top $24 trillion in early april and hit $25 trillion in early may. charles payne, i come to you on this question, we are watching

the markets sink today, i think part of it is on also what we are seeing in seattle and mayor who goes along with that, you wonder how many other cities become a very bad place to do business and what does i do to the economy? >> you're right, there are a lot of combinations, i want to reject the idea that this is because of a spike in covid-19, a lot of folks in the financial media always find something but they have not liked this. i already went over the last six times that the cases were higher than yesterday's case count. may 26, the next day the market was up, may 3rd the market was up, the june 1st the market was up the next day. 21,000 new cases, the market of 21.6% 28,022,000, remember despite today's 20,000, the market up 1.2%.

the dow is up 46%, and earlier this week, from the march 23rd lowe's, yes, you worry about the election, you do worry about the federal reserve, but sometimes after the most amazing rally in history, you give some of it back. i know this was last -- the juneteenth thing, i've got to speak on this. it is not disrespectful for president trump t to go to tuls, we have black wall street, even today they talk about it and if he said something there it would be a major accomplishment. i can't remember any president particularly a republican doing anything on that day so i think it will be fantastic. if he wants to go to uniontown alabama that will be even better so this whole thing that every time president trump does

something, he offends black people. maybe it's honoring black people, maybe it's a great thing for him to get out there and go to a place where we saw the destruction of black progress and for him to go and make comments. i think it will be a powerful message for him. as far as the overall can economy is concerned, two things here. republican lawmakers out there talking about no more stimulus are nuts, they are out of their minds made we've got 21 million people who are still unemployed, you have evidence from last friday with the jobs report that ppp saved small businesses but they need more so any republican that wants to be fiscally conservative right now, i think you're making a huge mistake. i think i've said it all. >> melissa: charles, i know, i love everything you have to say because you're pointing out for this audience, when you hit a record like that, that's when you see selling because people want to take some of their winnings. if you're smart you take your winnings off the table when there's been a big rally, 100%.

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with nutrients to help support immune health. >> katie: nascar announcing it will ban all displays of confederate flags added events and properties, bubba wallace yesterday drove an all-black vehicle with the black lives matter slogan written on the side. meantime, protesters tearing down a statue of confederate president jefferson davis in virginia last night, they argue all confederate monuments are symbols of racism and white supremacy and as the debate intensifies president trump says his administration will not even consider calls to name timmy

greene name ten military bases that were named for confederate generals. house speaker nancy pelosi responding with this. >> the american people know these names have two. these names are white supremacist, you listen to who they are and what they said and then you have the president make our case as to why a base should be named for them. he seems to be the only person left who doesn't get it. >> katie: charles, your thoughts? >> charles: it's one of those things, going back to nascar first, we've always talked about private enterprise doing things they thought they should do and free market as well, hands off. so if nascar is at this point in time and that's what they want to do, i don't have a problem with this, i spent the

first half of my childhood as an army brat and i lived in fort bragg, i did not know the history of the name in fifth grade. there's a lot of pressure and there certainly is a sea change in this country but i want to say that these things, these efforts do not really make a major material difference and what i worry about is whether it's corporations writing checks or the sort of grand gestures, substituting real authentic efforts to make things better because this is what happens every time one of these things happens, then you look back ten years from now and nothing really solid and smart was done so i'm looking for it later on, president trump's comments about what he wants to do, what is ideas are as we try to move this forward. >> katie: we've also seen the defacing of the lincoln memorial, abolitionist statues being defaced and torn down so what you have to say about that happening in addition to people tearing down confederate statues of these

riots? >> jessica: i think it's terrible, when i saw the world war ii memorial had been defaced a few days after memorial day, it simply heartbreaking but these are two distinct issues. yes, don't defaced memorials to people and organizations that have brought forth democracy and all good things but i think we are at our place in society where we don't need these confederate statues and we certainly don't need military bases named after generals from the confederacy. the president has maintained from the get-go that he doesn't like losers, there are no bigger loser than generals who represented the confederacy, they are against the united states of america and what we represent and i think nancy pelosi is spot on about this. >> katie: gillian? >> gillian: i think every society has the right to choose who in american history and the present they want to honor and glorify with statues and public places, the naming of military bases which are hugely important culturally to all americans, not

just a service member so if the time is right to reevaluate who we are choosing to honor its fine but it must be done through a large public conversation, it cannot be done through defacing public property which is what they statues are that are being torn down, not a decision that should just summarily be made by the president of the united states, it should be made to get by in front americans across the country >> katie: a debate that will continue for sure. police tv shows are facing mounting criticism and not even cartoons are immune. growing calls for nickelodeon to drop a popular kid's show and whether the protesters are going too far. ♪ by refinancing now, you can save $2000 a year. and newday's va streamline refi shortcuts the process. veterans can refinance with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs.

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>> melissa: more tv cancellations and controversy following the death of george floyd, a&e canceling its flagship series and one of cables highest-rated shows one week after it was yanked off the air. they said they after the plug was pulled on "cops," ending its 32 year round and even kids cartoons are not immune. take nickelodeon's "pop patrol" which features a

german shepherd police dog. the show's official twitter to page on the receiving end of a torrent of criticism even after showing solidarity with protesters. among the responses, how much will "paw patrol" be donating to bale funds? "defund "paw patrol"." "fire and prosecute chase" and "euthanize the police dog." "even bighearted cartoon police dogs are may be especially bighearted cartoon police dogs are on notice. the effort to publicize police brutality also means banishing the good cop archetype which reigns on both television and in viral videos of the protests themselves. "paw patrol" seems harmless enough, and that's the point. the movement rests on understanding that cops do plenty of harm." charles, i want to start with you because i've probably seen every episode of "paw patrol" and people out there who don't have little kids, it is about

characters that are all servants to the community. they have a firefighter, a sanitation worker who recycles, they have search indirect rescue dogs, they have a police dog, every single cartoon, they go and help someone who is in danger who is then very grateful. and this is what the left wants to wipe out in this situation, this idea that police can be good and that children might want to aspire to be good cops, your thoughts? >> charles: i have five grandkids and they love "paw patrol," particularly my oldest grandson. loves it, loves it, loves it and makes it easy for me to christmas shop. this is a narrative that we've seen particularly from the left and i've heard my whole life, there are good white people, they are called democrats. there are bad white people, they are called republicans. now there's not even such a thing as a good police officer.

99% plus are amazing, they do amazing things to keep us safe and yes there are some bad apples out there and yes, the walls of silence must go and there must be better training but the notion that somehow to make the police force themselves who put their lives on the line every single day villains, i love "paw patrol" and they better take their hands off it and i will tell you this, the cartoons i grew up with, they were offensive, that was offensive. "paw patrol," i love it, leave it alone. >> melissa: jessica, all the characters in this show, this is the group that 5 minutes ago we were honoring for risking their lives, fighting covid-19 and suddenly now we've changed, go ahead. >> jessica: obviously the murder of george floyd has changed america and turn into a

movement. i'm thankful for that but i am extremely disheartened to see this go this far. they profile a number of characters that are all serving the community, people who dedicate their lives, to making our communities better and safer. i saw that lego doesn't want to make a police officer anymore, this is a profession that we should want the best and the brightest to go into and if our children are learning about it as an option and make sure that they know there are also those bad apples and people who are doing something wrong as well, we are going to lose out on getting a lot of good people into that profession and i wonder as well, we need to move back to talking about police officers as police officers and not as cops. the colloquialism i think hurts the organization and we should think of it as a profession with a normal name like that. >> melissa: that's an interesting point. katie, really quick, a couple seconds? >> katie: this is about the far left wiping out a narrative that debunks what they've been

saying. the vast majority of police officers are good, all these shows it showed police officers in a light that is accurate. >> melissa: katie, i'm so sorry. >> katie: that's okay, see you later. >> melissa: thanks to everybody on our panel, harris is on the other side of this break. and save thousands a year. newday's va streamline refi makes it fast and easy because there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. i urge you to call newday usa now.

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