>> dana: i appreciated reading your words and thank you so much for coming on the show. thank you for your service too. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> dana: think everybody for joining us. i am dana perino. i will see you on the five coming up in a couple of hours. here is bill hemmer. >> bill: thank you, dana. we will see you in two hours, thank you. i'm bill hemmer. good afternoon, jam-packed hour including details we are just now learning from the white house. so here we go now. president trump set to touch down in dallas 30 minutes from now and will be at the gateway church, a massive church near fort worth that attracts 36,000 every week. minutes ago, we were told soon offered a vision for overcoming the race disputes the country has been dealing with since the death of george floyd. in a minute, i will talk with texas republican will hurd and current houston police chief about that, but first the white house north lawn and john roberts watching from the

there. >> good afternoon to you as well. appeared there would not be any policy announcements and what was done as a listening session at the president was going to have there at the gateway church but in just the last hour, learn they will have some announcements to make in the preamble to that roundtable. we are expecting the president to paint a big picture overview of how to bring about equality and opportunity in the united states or abroad strokes outline of where he wants to go here in the wake of the george floyd killing. the president will be meeting with faith leaders, law enforcement officials, the theme of the roundtable is a plan for holistic revitalization and recovery. now, what happened to george lloyd across the nation will no doubt be a centerpiece at this roundtable. the issue of police reform will also be a big one but so will economic recovery is the nation continues to move through the phases of reopening. we are expecting they will be an executive order instructing the justice department to take whatever steps they can, we are

told that executive order will be coming soon which at this point probably means sometime next week. senate republicans are also finalizing legislation on police reform, south carolina senator tim scott who is taking the point on crafting saying the language we finish soon with the as tonight or tomorrow, we'll take the weekend to read it and could learn about it either monday or tuesday. there could be some crossover between the senate republican legislation in the house democratic ledger wa legislation that was announced this week on the issues of banning certain choke holds as well as implementing an independent process for monitoring and reviewing complaints against police, but what is really a redline frantically with president trump here is b's that they want to rollback qualified immunity that protects police officers who are engaged in something short of outright criminal contact. believing that would tie the hands of law enforcement and

they want to see that. i don't know if that could ever be ironed out if we get to a conference committee between house and senate legislation, but something is going to have to get some way of the nation wants to see some of these police reforms implemented. >> bill: that was dismissed pretty much out of hand yesterday. thank you, nice to see you. want to take you now to texas republican will hurd. thank you so much for being here today and good afternoon to you. >> always a pleasure to be on. >> bill: the headline says, congress can do without police abuse at one of the things you've listed here is fire the bad cops good why is so hard to do? >> i want to make sure that we strengthen our great police chiefs across this country to get bad cops off the force. the chief of police know who the bad cops are. the great cops know who the bad cops are and don't want to serve with them and a lot of that comes to this adjudication process when the police chief tries to hire someone.

this is something that is taken care of at the local level between cities and police forces about this opportunity for congress in order to address that. we know what their standard should be and when we should follow them, and i think that's an opportunity that we have with the white house has in doing the executive order. we know what good police departments look like. we know what that is. there was organizations like the commission for accreditation on law enforcement agencies that talk about these best practices. these are law enforcement experts that are talking about how we do this. mental health is an issue. some police forces only have eight hours of training for their officers. of my hometown san antonio police department is 40 hours of training and so this is one way that we can incentivize a police force to follow good behavior and tie that the $2 billion or

more that comes from the department of justice. i hope this is one area that an executive order can address and we can support in legislation. >> bill: what was interesting about that answer, you didn't talk about money at all until the end and that is a jaw dropped. the justice department, $2 billion a year. this isn't an issue of money, is it? >> it's not. there's a lot of money, and then you look at what some of the cities did, but let's make sure we are moving that effectively. defunding the police is a crazy idea as well because that's owing to lead to communities out in seattle right now, that is not the way to do it. but we know what good police forces are doing across the country. let's make sure more of those police forces are doing that and we can help with some of this grant money that is coming from

washington. >> bill: last point, this is whenever your ideas. making sure they only go to departments showing best policing practices. i read that and i find that nebulous. how do you define that? >> you look at an organization, every administration that department of justice has a best policing strategy under president obama, 21st policing reform under president trump, where we know what those are, and the example of how many hours of training should you have a mental health? one out of every ten to stop by the police as a mental health issue. so are we making sure the police know how to handle that? what does the use of force mean? if you have somebody in handcuffs, do you need a choke hold? these are things that we know community policing is a topic that a lot of people do, making sure that the police is in that community before something bad

goes wrong. you have so many police that were marching alongside protesters because they had a relationship with those communities, it's one of those kinds of chiefs. so we know what the standards are. go to those experts and let's make sure that the thousands of police departments are following those and not using old-school tactics and not updating and make sure that we are protecting and serving. >> bill: good to have you on today, thank you. congressman will hurd from tex texas. you mention the man's name and here he is now from houston, the top cop and they're testifying yesterday in washington warning congress that defunding police is not the answer. houston police chief is with me now. how are you doing, sir? a day to you. what happens to communities when you take the money away from police, when you defund the police? >> first, i think it's important

to realize that in this city, the most diverse city in the country, we have 1.2 million calls for service a year and it is the communities that we are trying to protect the most, the ones impacted most by violent crime and i can tell you that disproportionately are calls for service are in these communities and if you try to take away policing, you're going to get a lot of pushback. i can tell you that because every time i want to close a storefront to put my cops on the street, the community pushes back. they want less bad policing and they want good policing to keep them safe. they deserve it, they demand it, and we need to deliver that. >> bill: house democrats have some proposals here. have you seen these? one is no more choke hold's and get rid of no knock warrants. the transfer of military grade equipment that is been happening over the past ten years, i think you could agree on that and then

also change the standards for prosecuting police misconduct cases. of that list, what would you agree to? >> this is me personally. i can tell you when it comes to choke hold's unless you are in a fight for your life, then that should be off. you're not fighting for your life, all bets are off. the police officer has the right to survive a deadly encounter. as it relates to the 1033 program which is the so-called militarization of police, we have to be more thoughtful because it's not about the equipment, it is about the training, the policy, the supervision, the oversight to command-and-control. i'll give you an example. we know we have a lot of violence in this nation. you think about dayton, ohio, where man with a 100 round drum magazine, high-capacity magazine is about to enter into a crowded club, a crowded bar and it was a police officer with the military style rifle that was able to get that from a distance.

the big vehicles, armored vehicles, those are not designed, the only offensive capability they have is running somebody over. you can do that with a police car and with a motorcycle. we'll look at how they've been used. they've been used for citizen rescues, officer rescues it in a world where we see more and more natural disasters especially flooding here in texas, they are being rescue people during these high water flooding situations. so we all need to just take a deep breath, need to be thoughtful and deliberative and we did not fill out the baby with the bathwater. >> bill: you have some interesting ideas. do you think washington heard your ideas yesterday? where they listening? >> they heard them. the question is hearing and listening doesn't equate to action. and i will say that i will beat up both sides of the aisle because we been talking about reform for a long time. we can't have 18,000 police

departments having critical policies that are all different. need to identify those critical policies, have a national standard. i will say this, when i took over the austin police department in 2007, we were certified agency, and i will tell you that i don't know what policies they were looking at because we have a use of force with a baton or a taser and the policy they said was flagship didn't require supervisors to respond to the scene and thank god we were able to with the help of those policy issues, need the government to be involved because it has to be one size or all 18,000 police departments. >> bill: thank you for being so thoughtful. good luck. back in houston, thank you. come on back, okay? president trump putting washington governor on notice after protesters take over parts of downtown seattle. they call it a cop free zone.

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when not average rating, the dow is plunging, it's biggest loss since march 18th. analysts say it is because of fears about a second coronavirus wave and a cautious outlook and the federal reserve as of yesterday 1600 points, more than 6%. meanwhile, another 1.5 million americans filed for jobless claims about a week ago, even a state start to reopen down from the peak of almost 7 million weekly claims in late march. today, more than 44 million americans filing for unemployment such that shut started. that means more than 25% of americans have what lost their jobs. >> the american people know these names have to go. these names are white supremacists and that said terrible things about our country. >> a number of people in the armed services, the fact that it could be appropriate -- change some and some would say

otherwise not to. we will look to see what comes out. we'll wait and see what comes out. >> bill: congressional leaders they're talking about the push to rename military bases after confederate military leaders and says that's a nonstarter. is "our history and it will not be tampered with. retired army colonel david hunt, fox news military analyst back with me. how are you doing? and spend some time. what you think about this? do you support the renaming of them? >> no. it's an absolute joke, waste of time, stupid idea. we have real issues in the military and race is one of them. for example, the air force just promoted its first four-star black officer and they've been around for what, 60 years? we don't have enough priority senior officers. we have a lot of other serious problems dealing with race. changing fort bragg to fort

smith won't even get close to it. it's a waste of time, stupid idea. >> bill: did you see his peace? he called these men traders in uniform and they should be not honored with their names years later. go ahead. >> i serve -- i know the guy. i think retired four-star may have a small personal issue he wants to deal with. what does it add to the issue though if you are trying to get that racism, then let's get at it. but just saying, let's change fort bragg to fort smith, not even close. waste of time. no reason to kneel at that alt altar. had some issues in the military, but changing a fort's name won't get started. >> bill: on another point

here, you saw what general milley had to say. he was part of this walk across the street from the white house, the st. john's church about a week and a half ago and said it should not have been there by presence in that moment in that environment involved in domestic politics that was a mistake that i've learned from and i sincerely hope we all can learn from it. should he have been they were not do you think? >> the chairman of joint steve's presence in battle dress uniform was way over the top and unnecessary, but again, another side issue it was overly done versus clearing a path for the president of the united states to get to the church, that's a security issue. don't need to use tear gas. they had that part. the president needs a clear safe path to operate. having the chairman of the joint

chiefs walking down was a sideshow and it has distracted from the main issue of how did you cut crowd control. >> bill: did you have a problem with the president going there? keep in mind what's been lost in the reporting here. the church was on fire 24 hours prior in the building across the street was on fire 48 hours prior. >> no question. again, and that is a clear path from the white house church should be done. they have to have a safe and secure place to walk, the horses have that coverage. it's the tear gas and rubber bullets that i have problem with because they are not the enemy. secret service has to clear the path and the horses were valuable. the excess use pushing crowds

that are already on barriers on the issues, not the president's right to go to the church and being in battle dress uniform. >> bill: thank you, it was nice to see you again. nice to see you out of your basement in your attic today. we will talk again. thank you, sir. there were a bran new developments on the republican push to investigate those today, republican red senate judiciary committee giving the okay to subpoena dozens of former obama officials. we'll tell you who is on that list in a moment. also a spike in covid-19 cases and more than a dozen states. the details on what is considered a possible second wave ahead.

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>> bill: from the european union union accusing and of waging a disk information campaign with some of the strongest criticism to date of how beijing handled the outbreak. senior e.u. officials saying the pandemic show that this information does not only harm to our citizens but also the health of our democracies. >> it appears that you want to talk about everything except what we should be talking about. mr. miller had carte blanche authority to look at everything you've talked about, mr. stone, and not one person has been prosecuted for colluding with the russians. but that whole crowd, they are is coming. >> bill: said it judiciary committee voting to allow chairman lindsey graham subpoena power for dozens of former obama administration officials which includes former fbi director james comey. for my national advisor

susan rice. james clapper, the vote along party lines but the list is lo long. former justice department prosecutor, good afternoon to you. i could go on here. they have all been given authority, the subpoenas have not gone out yet but what are we to make of that now? >> it is a comprehensive list and i think if you put politics aside which is seemingly impossible in today's world but if you look at how the hillary probe and the trunk probe went, you should have a lot of questions about rule of law. you should have a lot of questions about the fbi contact and i see that list and i think what a spectacle it might be to have high level fbi officials for ex-officials taking the fifth in front of congress, pleading the fifth saying i can't answer that because i might be criminally culpable.

that is actually a possible outcome here with any appearances in the near future in front of congress and i think there are legitimate things to drill down and try to find out about double standards and why certain rules are disobeyed or ignored, and it will be very interesting to see the divide in terms of who knew what on the doj side versus the fbi leadership. >> bill: money on the right think that he is taken a serious line and that john durham investigation. a lot of the same people do not believe congress is taking this seriously. is this an indication that he is willing to get answers? >> i think it is, but i will be the first to tell you that when you see congressional cross-examination, it's not like a courtroom. of most of the time when congress does their little five-minute rips, it is 4 minutes and 50 seconds of speechmaking and then throwing in a random question mark at the end. i don't have total faith that even with good intentions, everyone will get to the bottom

line of why the fbi conducted this the way it did but it's a start and it needs to be looked at and he is to something that we can keep from happening in the future. i met a few more subpoenas, george papadopoulos, michael cohen who is on that list, roger stone, former national security advisor michael flynn and many others. quickly, i want to ask you about this case involving michael flynn. the lawyer that was brought in on behalf of the judge is now recommending that michael flynn be sentenced on the existing charges, and also there was criticism for the conduct of the doj. you believe this cases dying by the way of 1,000 cuts and it's only a question of time before flynn is exonerated. given the events of today on that headline, do you still think that? >> i do. is a crazy ride. everything about this case right now is unusual, even the fact we're dealing with that request with a higher court looking at

judge sullivan's actions before he's actually acted, all of this is unusual territory, but the bottom line is troubling that a judge would basically think that he can overrule a motion to dismiss that does have a lot of good reasons for dismissal. let me just say a lot of armchair prosecutors are saying wrong about materiality or willfulness which are elements of the motion to dismiss, but when i think death by 1,000 cuts, but i mean is looking fbi misconduct. justice department looked at long last at all of the conduct that was involved with peter strzok and jim comey and said enough is enough. discovery violation, fbi agents saying draft 302 is missing. is ridiculous. then just one little aspect of that and say this is why he is correct to finally put this stupid 1,001 call statement case to rest. when jim comey was so intent on

having the ambush interview that he wouldn't return a call to the acting attorney general sally yates. he wanted to make sure it took place before he ever had to answer the sally yates. that tells you all you need to know about the misconduct in the political viewpoints have jim comey and his cabal at the top of the fbi. >> bill: thank you. we will see what happens next. in a moment, president trump threatening to take action in seattle after protesters took control of a neighborhood. i'll talk to former police detective ted williams about that. also, amazon is banning police from using some of its controversial software. why would that be? that story is next r veterans. mortgage rates just dropped to near 50-year lows. one call to newday usa can save you $2,000 every year. and once you refinance, the savings are automatic. thanks to your va streamline refi benefit, at newday there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs.

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harris faulkner here on the fox news channel as well. first, protesters taking control of us have block area in seattle, washington, and declaring it a cop free zone. president trump in turn accusing the demonstrators of being domestic terrorists. will weigh on that matter and a moment but first back live today in seattle. >> first off, the police chief was just doing some interviews inside that zone, so police have gotten back in but it's a very tenuous situation and right now, hard to imagine how or if this occupation will end anytime soon. the governor said he didn't even know what was going on and certainly does now and the mayor really has been silent on the whole issue. the protesters have taken over a multiblock area of the capitol hill neighborhood of seattle. it's a mix of residential and small businesses with the police department east precinct right in the middle. had been named the capitol hill economist zone but it was taken down backing away from being

completely separate and independent from the city. a new name we heard is occupying protest. either way, not going away anytime soon. six entrances and they have seen some armed guards. she had a police are concerned about reports of residents being first and business is being forced to pay protection money. we met we have heard anecdotally reports of citizens and businesses being asked to pay a fee to operate within this area. this is the crime of extortion. >> this coming and started monday night after the seattle police of the national guard abandon band and the east precinct which they had been protecting throughout the protests. immediately, protesters moved barricades from the building blockades at the entrances. we did talk to one of the leaders who didn't give his full name purity rejected president trump's description of the group.

>> we are not terrorists. we are not trying to take over anything. we just want change for our people. that's it. we are not warlords. we are not extortionists. we are loving and caring people. >> but that leader did say that they are there until their demands are met and among their demands that the police department be abolished. >> bill: dan springer in seattle, thank you, dan. fox news contributor, i mention this, can the president take action on the seattle manor was at a local issue? >> a local and state matter, for any rhetoric about taking over, the thing they would be able to do and hope you will not do that is be able to send in the military. is no doubt about it that

initially, these demonstrations started about george floyd and his death, but now they have walked into individuals who are concerned about the citizenship of their city. they are going about it wrong. you can't go in and take six blocks over until law enforcement can't come in. what is needed here is the state police to come in and to get this matter under control. >> bill: i can't remember the time six city blocks were taken over by regular citizens. defies the mind. what does this have to do with george floyd? >> not a thing, unfortunately. this man has now been buried. his brother has testified on capitol hill, and now this is

disparaging that good man's name by taking over the six blocks. it's just unfortunate. >> bill: we will see how long it holds out. hope to see you tomorrow. although they will be plenty discussed there as you well kn know. some top american tech companies no longer selling facial recognition software to police departments. microsoft and amazon freezing sales and calling on congress to pass new laws that regulate that technology. ibm made a similar announcement and tied his decision to concerns over racial profiling. on the debate over police reform has that heats up, some tv networks now pulling the plug on police shows. i'll speak to the former life pd host dan abrams about that in a moment but also starbucks planning to close and transform stores close pandemic and what that means for you in a moment. this moment.

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through options as consumer behavior begins to change after covid-19. still set to open 300 new locations in the next year about half of what the company had originally planned to open. first, it was the show cops and now annie has canceled life pd, one of the latest cop shows to get pulled from tv as protests continue over the george floyd death. dan abrams is the now former host of life pd and the founder of the law and crime network. good afternoon to you and let's try to work our way through this. why was it canceled? tell us. >> i am not certain exactly why because obviously due to pressure to cancel the show based on the current environment that we are in. again, i had thought the show would survive, i had thought that we could both support the important protests and calls for change that are going on around

this country and say transparency amongst police officers and police departments can and should be a part of that. but in the end, the decision was made to end th the show. >> bill: here's what i appreciated about your show. you have detailed for viewers how tough the job is for officers on control. >> and how uncertain it is for officers on patrol. they just don't know what is going to be around the next corner. they don't know what the next could be. they don't know who is in the car that they are pulling over, but i should say that also part of the show was seeing officers at times do things people didn't approve of, and that's part of transparency. that is part of showing what happens in the life of the police officers. police officers make mistakes, sometimes worse, and i would think that's an important part of continuing this effort saying

we need body cams on police officers and i would've thought we need more things like life pd. >> bill: a couple other thing things, cancel culture, is that the reason why the show was canceled? >> i don't know. i wasn't part of the discussion. i am the guy who tweeted out a couple of days ago don't worry, the show is not going away because i was convinced it wasn't going away. i was being assured that it was going to survive but i also understand that annie and some corporate partners under enormous pressure in an environment like this where people are very critical of the police. so i don't know exactly why it happened. i wasn't part of it, but i'm disappointed. >> bill: "wall street journal," earlier today and his piece, the media self sensors. says in the past week, the

editorial page at the editors had the bon appetit web site have been forced out by the staff and owners of their publications for the offense is regarded as at odds with the beliefs of the current protests. are you -- or are you next on that list then? >> i don't know. i think each of those cases are little bit different. i think they're pretty outspoken and my views on the fact that i think some of these places like "the new york times" should be willing, ready, and able to have an op-ed from tom cotton. you wanted fact-check it, okay, the idea that they shouldn't even have his position in the paper, again, my view in general is let people decide for themselves. to provide people with more information, provide people with fair information, opinions, and then they can decide for

themselves and it is true that increasingly in this country, we are seeing people isolating on both sides getting into their bunkers and they don't seem to want to hear anything from anybody else. >> bill: if you are right, it extends that this whole conversation we are having about the pc world. there was an incident that occurred in march of 2019. where an african-american was pursued by officers and apparently your tv crews were there. wasn't during a time when you are airing, off season i think the correct way to phrase it. and apparently your policy on behalf of a&e is to destroy the tapes. there is body cam video that still exists among the police department in texas that is still out there. do you believe the destruction of those tapes led to the termination of your show? yes or no.

>> i think it was part of it. i don't know that if it was singularly responsible. but i think it's important to put that into context. wasn't just someone decided to destroy the tapes. they destroyed every single tape after a certain period of time because they do not want to start having to pick sides. they didn't want to have to start saying law enforcement wants all of our videos to help prosecute people that they are arresting for a defense attorney that is saying i want the video to do this with it. we were there to chronicle what was happening with policing, but i will say in this incident even though there is body cam that was available, i wish that we had saved that tape. i wish that the policy hadn't been so strict. i wish there had been an exception that we could provide it. i never saw the tape. >> bill: do you believe them? of about 30 seconds left,

important question here. do you believe ana did not want to take the chance to put the show back on the air because of this very tender issue that still exists out of austin, texas, to this day? >> i don't know. only you know is i am convinced it was part of the issue, and i think there were a lot of people who are angry and a lot of people who have very good reasons to be angry. i just don't know that taking it out on life pd as opposed to the district attorney are the people who were investigating this with the body cam if they had was the right way to go. >> bill: thanks for coming on today and we will follow and see where it goes next if anywhere. dan abrams, thank you. in a moment here, some states dealing with a spike in the covid cases as they start to reopen their economies. the world health organization now clarifies yet again comments about a symptomatic spread. dr. marc siegel will take that on life coming up next.

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>> they're running a few minutes behind her, and we will bring it to you as soon as i get started. >> the evidence that we have given the percentage of people which is about 25 or 45% of people likely without symptoms and we know from epidemiological studies that they can transmit to someone who is uninfected even when they are without symptoms. >> so what he's talking about is the world health organization's comment about spreading the virus without symptoms. here's what the world health organization said. since early february we have said that asymptomatic people can transmit covid-19 but we may

need more data. like i said, i'm confused. what are we to believe? >> you should be confused, this is very simple. the whole situation is riddled with fear because it happened so fast and it over one hospitals in new york and elsewhere and when people are panicked they look for answers. when does the spread, how does this spread and i world health organization up their foot in their mouth or originally when they said it's rare for it to spread when you don't have symptoms. that could include right before you are going to have symptoms. let me make this clear for people, respiratory viruses almost across the board spread most of the time -- the vast majority of the time, when you are sneezing and coughing. that's a vast majority of the time. but when we start talking as public health officials and say, well, you could get it when you don't yet have symptoms, everyone jumps to the worse case scenario, bill. they think, i don't have

symptoms, therefore i'm going to get it. that doesn't follow. what follows is, you got it if you have symptoms and maybe some of the time it's possible to transmit it elsewhere. this isn't going to break the curve, this virus, it's as bad as it is. >> bill: i'm not a doctor but i pay very close attention to this. in 20 states the cases are rising and certainly testing more, and in 30 seconds or less, what's the headline for america on this map? >> the headline is, a, i've already said most of the time you don't have symptoms, you have to have symptoms to get it. in other states he will obey social distancing. states that really follow social distancing have been able to open up safely, so we see surges in some cases like utah, alabama, arkansas and arizona.

but we are testing a lot more and as a test tomorrow we will see more cases. but look at wisconsin, that's a perfect paradigm of what we need to do with this country, open up. >> nice to see you. >> neil: cobit cases rising out of stocks tanking as we prepare to get to the president. out of nowhere, news that the virus cases are spiking and worrisome levels in about seven of the states. suffice it to say, it reads the market of the notion that maybe this will all pass and by the way, it still might. and that the recovery will be rolling out slower than earlier thought.