hello america i'm mark levin "life, liberty & levin" i call this show, the insurrection because i think that's what's taking place among other things in this country and i have to turn to gentlemen who i think know more about what's taking place in our cities than really anybody else who spent a life studying it and writing about it. and onee. of those gentlemen is she shelby steele been on this program before some time ago

hoover institution fellow he wrote the book white guilt. also shame how america's past sins have polarize our country and writes for harper magazine from time to time. shelby steele i want to thank you for coming on the program. so let me just throw it to you. you see what's taking place in cities. mostly democrat one party cities mostly democrat won party states, and yet you see the response from the national democrats biden schumer and pelosi who barely acknowledge the rioting and the looting that's taking place you see the media that report that most of this is peaceful. and you see the allegation, systemic racism, is this a civil rights movement? who is leading this civil rights movement and exactly what is desired out of the civil rights movement that's a lot so i want to throw it to you shelby. >> that's a good question. one of the questions that since

of beginning of all of this has been what do they want? what's, what's the point of all of this. i remember when i was growing up in the civil rights movement and so forth everybody knew exactly what we wanted. often a piece of legislation civil rights bill, or something else that was specific, and concrete, this insurrection seems just sort of well, unclear. unmotivated by negative that it says itself, and so what is it really about? it seemses to me that's the question and that i -- i think that what is really happening is nothing really new. they -- the civil rights argument that triggered this. that there was police abuse, and

was very familiar story, saw that in ferguson, missouri, and elsewhere. and it seem to me that in many ways it's about power. and in order to have to pursue power is, as they do, you have to have victims. and my god, george floyd is the victim and the whole incident of his murder is sort of a metaphor for the civil rights agenda and the grievance industry agenda. here's something completely innocent, tortured to death, wow -- the excitement that that triggers on the left in america is validates their claims that america is richest country.

that they -- they must get recourse for what goes on and so forth. so it feeds this old model of operation that we've developed that america is guilty of racism. guilty of this sin and has been for four centuries. and minorities are victims who areti entitled. and so when people start to talk about systemic racism, built into the system,ing what they're really doing is expanding the territory of entitlement. we want more. we want more, we want society to give us more. top help us and so forth. society is responsible for us. and because, because racism is systemic. well that's a corruption. and i know it's a corruption

because the truth ofup the mattr is blacks have never been less oppressed than they are to date. opportunities around every corner.of and in all of this, no one ever stops to say well, you're unhappy about where minorities are at in american lift and blacks continue to be at the bottom of most socioeconomic measures. you're unhappy about that. well, why don't you take some responsibility for it. why don't you take more responsibility? i would be happy to continue to look at all of the usual bad guys, the police and so forth. if we had the nerve, the courage to look at black people, to look at black americans, minority americans and say you're not carrying your own weight. you are --

you are going to go to have a fit and tantrum and demonstrate and so forth. and yet you're not -- you're not doing -- are you teffing teaching your child to read and making sure that the schools down the street actually educate your child? are you -- are you becoming educated and following a dream in life and making things happen for yourself? or are you saying i'm a victim, and i'm old. and the entitlement is inadequate and i need, i need to be given more and afterall you know you whites that racism has been here for four centuries and slavery and so forth. and so it's time, it's time for to you to give to me. well, that's an exhausted fruitless, empty strategy to take. we've been on that path for

since the 60s. and we are farther behind than we've ever been, and we keep blaming it on racism and blaming on the police. i'm -- i'm exhausted with that. i grew up in a time when there was real segregation. and blacks during the 50s and so forth took a lot of responsibility for their lives because the government didn't. my father bought three ramshackle houses, rebuilt them, rented them out, kept clawing his way up the ladder a man with a third grade education from the south. well, what civil rights bill is going to replace that? that value system in? and he was not exceptional. across the community we lived in,, those were the -- those were the values and that is the problem. is that we have allowed

ourselves to be enabled in avoiding our real problem by a guilty white society. that keeps using us and exploiting us and as victims to says that it's wonderful and its overcoming racism and so forth. if you really care about what, how minorities do, why don't you ask them to do it? why don't you ask them to -- to, you know, to drop the pretense. there's always going to be some racism in, in every society. my own sense is that it's indemic to human condition we will always have to watch out for it as i like to say, stiewpgdty stupidity to the

human condition we have to watch out for that too. that is no excuse for us being where we are in american life. we have let this sort of guilty society and our grievance industry put us in this impossible position where we are aa permanent underclass. before the 60s there wasn't no black underclass. that's a new phenomenon. publicic housing completely supported by the government. let me ask you this shelby steele,ing what you speak of is reenforced by the media as i sited sit here today it is reenforced in our colleges and universities. it is reenforced at the highest level was of the democrat party it amazes me this their model so i think a a lot of this is about economic issues.od

and their modelis cannot create prosperity. it cannot create opportunity in these communities. they oppose school choice. poor little black kids can actually go to a good school, you know, where the money would follow the kid as it does for colleges and universities. it's white liberals and the unions and the democrat party and barack obama who stopped all of that. so,, freedom, choice, opportunity, in many respects -- because of the model that is used by the left and the democrat party. prevents the kind of human and economic progress in many of these communities that are run by one party, corrupt parties, corrupt bureaucrats, and i think this is part of the reason i would be curious to know if you agree with it that the national democrats schumer has yet to condemn riot. pelosi is yet to condemn riot

biden can barely acknowledge that they exist they keep talking about systemic race and by the way these are people who have been in government for 40 years. 35 years and so forth and so on. so when we return, i would like your opinion on that. because i think that is what is playing out in many of these communities right now. among other things -- and so they turn a blind eye to the violence. they turn a blind eye to incompetence of these may yorgs and these city council, and they keep pushing their ideological and they're economic agenda, and this is why they blame it on systemic racism. because systemic racism means everything and nothing. we'll bete right back. payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

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1960ss with the self rights victories and civil rights bill, and t housing and so forth. america for the first time had to acknowledge and did, i think quite bravely acknowledge that that was terrible. slavery was a terrible thing. segregation is evil. and, america had begin to digest that. and in the process, america lost considerable moral authority. and so what have, what has liberal pism become? liberalism is a way to gain back that moral authority. and so right away president johnson said in 60s you're right we're guilty. here's a war on poverty. here's the great society. here's higher welfare payments, here's the affirmative action

here's school busing. here's, and aren't we innocent of racism now? and shouldn't we be allowed to continue in power because we have taken this stand? what they didn't see is that this was a brand new exploitation of black. and orr minorities. now white america is using black exploiting them enabling their dependent. so they can say we're nengts of racism therefore we have legitimate. our -- if you are not a democrat, who is -- who is n owned up to all of this history. then you are not legitimate. that legitimacy democrat party took ass its central power and t remains there today. even though america has made enormous progress sincea the

60s. what i think we see in the democratic party today is trying to keep that old thing alive of aren't we innocent? aren't we the party that looks out for the decent city and the humanity of life after this ugly history that america has. it's what -- what i likeri to call white gui. [laughter] white guilt is this sort of, this buying back legitimacy by exploiting minorities all over again. by enabling them and what, how do they exploits them? they say this is what is pernicious and evil. they say to minorities, look we beatey you up pretty badly. you can't make it out us. you can't recover. you are not beginning to be able to reinvent yourself and become truly equal with us unless we are the agent of that change.

not you, us. so they take over the agency. over the black development, and say oh if you don't get more government money, more government program, more blah, blah, blah, then -- you will never make it. you are dependent on us, and what happens? a grievance industry springs up in black america to receive all of that white benefit. civil rights movement does nothing. but scream bloody murder how dependent black people are on what whites do for them. that's all they do. mark: you know what's interesting you bring the democrat party the democrat party history. many respects of evil history. i mean, it was the party of

confederacy, it's a party of slavery. became the party after the civil war that destroyed reconstruction. it was the party that spawned and gave birth to the clan. it was the party that pushed segregation. it was the party whose members were involved in the scott decision and ferguson decision it was the party up into had the 1920s that embraced the racist and segregationists. it was the party all really as you pointed to civil rights act, that played serious politics with the racist and segregation not the jim crow so forth. and there are exceptions to this. >> now is the party of affirmative action. [laughter] there's a -- that liberalism is a part of and whether it was a mutual

corruption where you see this on a democratic party. where you have t on the one hand the grievance industry blacks and other hand the pelosis of the world who want to take, be the agents of black uplift. and we're just sort of stuck there. and, of course, as always the group that will pay the price for this, this stuckness. this stalemate is blacks. minorities -- will get outer if and further behind when i again when i was a kid, growing up in seriously segregated chicago everything was segregated. my father bought, again seramshackle houses, rebuilt th, worked day and night. everybody was doing something, nobody, nobody was supported by a dime from the government. mark: i want to thank you very

much for coming on the program and for elucidating on matters and issues that many people are not hearing about today with all of the screaming and yelling. god bless you, sir. we'll be right back. ing the issues and matters that many people are not hearing about to

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24 hours after a black man shot and killed in a struggle following a failed sobriety test an responding to complaint ab man now identified as brooks sweeping in a car at a wendy's drive-thru. video shows an officer shooting brooks after 27 yeertd rammed his taser mayor calling for that removal and the distinct comes in continuing worldwide protest over the death of george floyd. meantime, far right counter-protesters fighting with police in central london. the activist saying they were there to guard historical monuments that had been targeted by black matters protesters. their presence prompghting to call off planned gallon strags over safety concern more than 10000 people were arrested. i'm jackie ibanez now book live, liberty, and levin. welcome to the show the insurrection. one of the great leaders i

think, not just in the african-american community and he's a quiet lead sr. bob woodson founder president of the woodson center and originator of the project we have bob on here if two months ago. he was a civil rights activist and he's committed and spent his entire life in these communities that peoplewo talk about that they've never been to particularly in the media. bob, woodson you see what's happening in our country, cities ab states, i want to put it to you this t way, this is a civil rights movement. what kind of civil rights movement is this when you're burning down your own cities and you don't even have a precise message? i don't see any leaders i see anarchy mayhem, i see a media that's very excited about it. i see a democrat party that's run these cities for decades one party rule it see a national democrat party that won't condemn the violence in a full

throated aggressive way. what do you make of this? >> certainly what they're doing is a perversion of the civil rights movement, and but it's a continuation, mark, of a martha started 50 years ago with the passage of the civil rights bill. the great expectation at that time was that the problem of the inner cities and poor blacks was that they were whites running those systems and so the great promise was if you just elect black to those offices then inequities would improve. and what we have done over the last 50 years we've spent about 22 trillion dollar on government money and 70.goes not to the poor. but those who served the poor blacks have been in office. and conditions for low income blacks have deteriorated every year after year. and so -- and so one of the ways that they can avoid those leaders can

the public the cause of this decline they use race as a deflection attention away from their failures and as a consequence, you see the kind of chaos that exist in these communities. they alsoo make the false claim that the problems of unemployment that out-of-wedlock and december associated with slavery and discrimination that's another lie. andd so -- and it's an in order to challenge it we cannot challenge it with an argument. we challenge it with alternative narrative. we go back and we say to the public, toh blacks your faith is never determined by what white america does or does not do. has never been, and so we give examples at our 1-7g -- 177 of from the past that when 50 years after emancipation

proclamation inspite of discrimination they have 70 million in assets we own 9, 900,000 farms. 40,000 churches, 40,000 businesses, cities like chicago, in the bronxville section and black own businesses and 100 million under 15% out-of-wedlock birth so this is the real history of black america that is not being told, and young people today are being convinced that their faith is determined by hundreds ofhappen years ago. and so we must challenge that with information, but also we must get. we must challenge the lie that somehow the dysfunction in these cities is determined by what they call institutional racism. i don't know what that is. or systemic racism, to me it's

just a ruse. biggest enemy that black low income black americans have is not a bigots. it is those who betrayed the trust those who took office and -- and exploited the trust in confidence of low income people had in their leaders instead of taking responsibility and offering real solutions. but they're offering is race. somehow to justify their inaction or their incompetence. mark:: you know, bob woodson i like at this and i see these cities are run by one party up and down the chain of pleks. politics. all of the money flows through that one party bureaucracy jobs controlled by the democrat party,ne i see the national democrats refusing to condemn the violence in a serious way. joe biden mentions it in

passing. and yet they always claim they have the solutions. they control the power. they control the government. they control the money. they control the policies. and yet they want minorities to turn to them for the answers and then i watch bob woodson these athletes i watch lebron james who was a billionaire. i watch steve kerr multimillionaire and people in hollywood so forth all say the same thing. what is going on here with our culture? >> well, it becomes a way of escaping responsibility. first of all i think there's a lot of ironies about this. first of all, a lot of young whites who are participating in these riots and this looting are really living in neighborhoods that were formally black and now gender if in a city of washingt, d.c. that has been run by black

officials last 25 years over 19,000 poor black have been removed from the city through genderification so many of those so-called social justice warriors young, white, professionals are coming from neighborhoods that used to be occupied by low income blacks. but so there's no strategy on thee part of the black leadershp to address the economic and housing change.y but as long as they can use race, to deflect attention away from absence of the solution, they continue to get away with it. but poor blacks, mark our sleeping giant one day they're going to wake up to realize in wordss malcolm x they're bamboozled, hustled that's what we're trying at the woodson center to help low income people to understand so that they become agents of their own uplift. but they must be given information. and you see evidence even in these riots.

there are -- there are neighborhood leaders that are standing up to these that are coming in. for example, a white couple well-dressed in a nice car pulls up in a backseat there bricks. they're handing to young blacks who throw at the police. a neighborhood woman challenge it is this woman -- almost forces them to leave, and they're t there are quite a few people thate are taking riotersd turning them into the police. so when we believe 1776, these are in voices that are in all of these communities, but they're not given the kind of recognition that they deserve and that's what wee got to do. mark:ni when we come back bob woodson toipght ask you this. "new york times" 1619 project american started in slavery. slavery is in our dna, hollywood

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>> bob woodson i see a huge disconnect between white liberal who is claim to know what's

going on in these communities, black liberals who have made it who claim to know what's going on in these comungts. i think there's a lot of economic dislocation that's gong on in these communities. a lot of excuses, we have the left big government, economic model which is brought more poverty and destitution can't possibly work and can't even work nationwide. we see that. we see shootings i'll pick chicago last two weeks apart from the rioting and everything. over 20it people shot. i don't see these same people whether they're in the media sports whatever. tweeting up set, peacefully protesting as they said. when it comes to the slaughter that's taking place in these communities quiteha flankly blak on black crime. what are your thoughts? >>e quell this is again, this is how -- perpetuating liewh there's a harvard study and another study and talk about in course of a year, this past year, there were

a thousand people shot by police. most of those were people shooting back at the police. well, that number 275 were blacks who were shot. and of that number, only a handful were unarmed. and it's been estimated for every one black who was shot by a cop, 270 blacks are shot shoot one another. in other words, more we lose more black, we have a 9 eleven in the community and what's happening as they vilify the police, there's something called police nullification or the ferguson effect that means more the police are accused of racism, the less they're out there to be aggressive enforcing laws and lower income comungts that's a consequence to murder rate soars. st.d louis last spring 18 young people under the age of 14 before shot and murdered in that city. and only arrest was made because people are discouraged from

cooperating with the police. it is not the al sharptons or the -- white liberal haters was police who have to suffer the consequence. lebron james does not live in those communication at risk. nor do any of the advocates who are vilifying the police. it means that police recruitment is down 62% around the country. with the result that 9/11 calls sometimes go unanswered and this trend is continuing and black officials in these cities are throwing black police officers under the bus. they're being vilified. the number of police leaving and so we are really creating a crisis where the people in those cities are told if you're killing one another it's not your fault. it'sf systemic racism. and nothing mark, is more lethal than you provide a people with a good excuse for their own

failure. and so we -- what we do at the woodson center is we find that there are islandings of excellence in philadelphia in 1983 a matter of public record, they have small bands of young black men were robbing people on the subway and movies were shot down. we organized through a group of neighborhood group who was known city wide with young men who werere ex-offenders with who goh had changed their hearts they actually went into the prisons and organized a prevention task force we went out into the communities and brought 200 of young men from all over the city these young men with moral authority told these young at the consequence, the whole wolf pack attacks, toed overnight throughout the entire city. that shows you power of grass roots leaders if we give them who have the trust of the

people, we must look to these healing agent it is that are internal to these communities because they are living in these communities that are being burned and looted. thand so what -- >> wooled son -- yeah. the problem is all of this hard work and you don't get it right up in new york times. you're not brought on to msnbc and other newsrooms cornell webcast is. michael bison is radical leftist, professors, people who attack the country. attack faith, and my view attack the principles of the country. and "new york times" spreading poison about this country in every school, every school and every school district. and the woman who is responsible for that immediately they go to her for her comment about are the rights they don't go to peoplesi like me or shelby steee or go to people who really have

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mark: welcome back, bob woodson

i find voices that get attention from most of the media or the most radical wblg most outrageous voices. but voices that need to be heard and live in the communities and try to live good industrious livesrd don't get heard. what do you think about that? >> and i agree. but what must happen as a solution is what the left does. eve this a ground game. the moment these riots occurred, mark zuckerberg pledge 10 million and 10 to organizations on ground who are taking action. and then hollywood selects put up 20 million locked up for rioting or not. again they are investing. they are on our side freedom loving americans we need to invest comparably in our grassroots patriots and give them a voice and give us the

mechanisms and means to provide the curriculum to students that are proamerican curriculum. we need to be giving them an opportunity to have movies about their successes. we need to celebrate the successes fromir the past and present. there are models of economic development of low income communities. we need to highlight them. so we really need a ground game. we're not going again this fight by just publishing white papers at think tanks and then discussing them inn the media. we've got to go in and give voice to those women and men in those communities who are fighting in protection of those values. they really represent the mainstream black america, and so what we'rero trying to do with e woods son center and 1776 is provide them a platform so they

can undermine the left. because whether low income black people in these communities stand up and say the black left does not speak for me it will undermind their moral authority. 100,000 low income blacks in that gubernatorial race in florida desantis voted against the black candidate. and even though oprah winfrey and barack obama are campaign for gillum to me that demonstrates that black low income people are willing to vote their interest. and ignore race as a factor. >> let me ask you a question we don't have time left you mentioned barack obama for eight years. obama, biden, president of the united states, he has two attorney general both african-americans head of department of home land security african-american. he runs the federal government, the democrats run the cities, many of these cities are in

democratic states he now talks about systemic racism. in these communities that you've been involved it in, did the obama administration make a difference? just seriously very simple answer. >> they made it worse. they really made it worse. >> how so? > that's well because he -- he was supposed to be the great healer. and he made a speech of morehouse university touting to be more responsible followers web and the first time he was attacked by jesse jackson, he backed off and then went retreated back to racial, racial defense institutional racism. he pledged to make a difference on that area and moment he was attacked, viciously by jesse jackson, next thing he knew he withdrew from that platform. so the fact that -- >> how about choice did he support school choice? >> no he opposed it that's why i told you in florida gubernatorial race he campaign

for gillum and 100,000 black parents lowow income black pares voted for desantis, the republican against gillum the democrat, even though he was supported byic oprah winfrey and obama so -- low income blacks have demonstrated a willingness to break ranks. and we must provide the resources and the means for others to learn from the experience of these grassroots leaders. so that more can break ranks. >> i want to thank you bob woodson for everything you do in these communities and this country. we have got to fight through the propaganda the left, the media, democrat party these mayors and these governors that run these cities with an iron fist. and are continuing to destroy them.. god bless you, mike be well. >> thank you. mark: and we'll be right back. ld

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mark:: we have lived through in the course of three years an attempt by the obama administration to defeat the presidential candidate of the other party by violating his civil liberties and by violating our constitution in ways we have neverot seen before in this country. the media and the democrat party applaud. we seat criminalization of politics in unleashing the special counsel without authorityal to take out the president of the united states on a false pretext of russia collusion. there never was russia collusion. we saw an unconstitutional

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they call it systemic racism. america will get through this. but we have to be united. we have to defeat these forces. i'll see you next time on "life, liberty & levin." [♪] jesse: welcome to "watters world," i'm jesse watters. a conversation about race. this country started to crack up. can't say anything anymore. say the wrong thing, don't say the right thing. be in trouble for saying nothing at all. 100% of the country is sickened by how george floyd was killed. the officer was charged. his fellow officers were charged. we are doing police reform and the mobs burned things down anyway. the mobs destroyed their only

neighborhoods and