america will get through this. but we have to be united. we have to defeat these forces. i'll see you next time on "life, liberty & levin." [♪] jesse: welcome to "watters world," i'm jesse watters. a conversation about race. this country started to crack up. can't say anything anymore. say the wrong thing, don't say the right thing. be in trouble for saying nothing at all. 100% of the country is sickened by how george floyd was killed. the officer was charged. his fellow officers were charged. we are doing police reform and the mobs burned things down anyway. the mobs destroyed their only neighborhoods and blamed racism.

>> what's to be gained? you stop for one second to think burning and looting doesn't help you in any way. jeas * that was -- jesse: that was morgan freeman in 2015 after rioters destroyed baltimore. why is that so hard to say today. when the average american says that's not okay. that needs to stop now, they become the bad guys. you are told the looting and violence is trump's fault, or capitalism's fault, or because of systemic racism. and the people destroying the cities are just trying to make their oppression heard. do you believe that, that millions of americans are victims and haven't responsible for their choices and can't shape their own destiny? >> do you think race plays a

part in wealth distribution? >> no, i don't. you and i are proof. race didn't have anything to do with it. stick your mind to what you a want to do and go with that. it's kind of like religion to me. a good excuse for not getting there. jesse: according to morgan freeman you can only control what you can control, yourself. no excuses. >> come over to my window, flash his light in my face, hand on his pistol. i can start yelling and screaming and say you are a racist or i can say yes, officer, no, officer, or are we done, officer. and both will have drastically different outcomes. jesse: that was author anthony

mac kie. i was raised to respect authority. especially if the authority has a badge and a gun. you give respect, you get respect. i understand if you feel targeted or harassed. mackie later said if you want to fight them, fight them in court. this isn't just about race. polite respectful cooperation goes a long way. denzel washington says family plays a bigger role than the system. >> it starts in the house and starts in the home. when floyd got locked up, where was his father? i talked about my three closest friends. i was the only one in three who had a father in my life. even though my parents weren't together, i still had a father who was a gentle man.

you can blame the system but they didn't lock of any us up at 7. jesse: how we confront those challenges help shape who we are. everyone has different story to tell. there are some people who have never seen racism at all. >> god knows, i have been nothing but blessed. my whole path, these 33 years have been nothing but a blessing. never is a strong word. never dealt with racism. jesse: never dealt with racism. interesting. everyone has a different story to tell. that's what i'm getting at. black americans don't always think alike just like all white americans don't think alike. race and family and police are interpreted differently based only your back ground.

70% of black americans like their legal police department. same with white americans. it spies you because media and democrats paints a different picture. black and white americans have more in common than the media tells us. but it's difficult to talk about race in this hysterical environment. people want to shoot the messenger, especially if they are on fox or of a different color or if they are not a democrat. the democrat party uses race assed a shield and weapon against the right. they say we need a conversation about race. but they don't want a conversation. they don't want to hear from you at all. they just want you to submit and just do what they want. you are only allowed to listen. people are on pins and needles. you see people getting canceled left and right. the left tries to keep you off

balance and confuse you when they play by different rules. first we aren't different. then we celebrate differences. but only certain people of can celebrate differences. here are democrats dressing up in what many see as traditional fridge tribal dgarb and taking a knee for 10 minutes. when i saw this i said to myself, are you serious? democrats spent the last decade telling us not to dress in other culture's clothing. cultural appropriation is a fireable offense. people have been canceled for doing what the democrats are doing. the media who led the charge against this barely said a word about it. the cloth originated in ghana, west africa. some people weren't happy about it. >> excuse made democrats.

you didn't wait to find out that this thing you are hanging around your neck is not some african unicorn. it belongs to the' people. excuse me, democrats. don't treat africans like we are children. jesse: black criticism of democrats isn't really toll rated. when there is criticism it's met with slurs and smears. ask clarence thomas. the democrat party has 90% of the black vote. if black americans have been voting for democrats for decades and in 2020 still believe the system is stacked against them. maybe it's time to change the system. if the left says all the -- if the defendant sends all the jobs

overseas and imports cheap labor to the south and apologize in exchange for subjects does and votes? is that a fair deal. is it right to take away your second amendment. and blame rum cans with everything that goes -- blame republicans for everything that goes wrong every four years. you never see them going under the label of liberals. the white person you see calling himself a liberal is the most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere. he's like a fox. he's more dangerous than the wolf. you seat wolf coming. butted the fox looks like he's smiling and you will take him as a friend. jesse: that was mall come x years ago warning blacks about their so-called liberal friends.

he says they throw in a symbolic gesture here and there, but is there real progress? what's going to happen when george floyd soon fades from the news? now that neighborhoods and businesses have been looted and burned to a crisp. minneapolis looks like a war zone. is that progress? are liberals going to flirt with reform and demand your vote in november, then it's back to business as usual. this week the line of attack is the police are bad guys. the nypd had 700 of its men and women injured from the so-called peaceful protesters and they had enough. >> stop treating us like animals and thugs and start treating us with some respect. that's what we are here to say. we have been left out of the conversation. we have been vilified.

it's disgusting. it's disgusting. driving to make an embarrassment of our protection. 375 million interactions. overwhelmingly positive. our legislators abandoned us. the press is vilifying us. you know what? i'm proud to be a cop and i will continue to be proud to be a cop until the day i retire. jesse: we should be thanking police not ridiculing them. who do you call when your baby stops breathing, your dad has a heart attack. your house is robbed, you are raped. your purse is stolen. a creep solicits your daughter online. there always mossive car wreck. you call 911 and the police are there like this. virtue signaling is hopping on

board the defund the police. >> what if during the middle of the night my house is broken into, who do i call? >> i hear that loud and clear from some of my neighbors and i know that comes from a place of privilege. jesse: what an idiot. that's the president of the minneapolis city council. and radical congress wolf and omar ad wong woj -- congresswoman i will than aprove. >> i will never stop saying not only do we need to divest the police but we need to completely dismantle the police department. jesse: instead of sending police to a 911 call, they want to send social workers. liberals have had a lot of dumb ideas. but this may be the dumbest.

joe and his advisors are struggling because strong inner city police departments are the key to democrats' grip on power. the pandemic is already causing wealthy people to move out of cities. defunding the police would be the last straw. when wealthy people leave cities it sends' values down and and the union dues dip. donations to democrats dip. plus donations from industry and real estate leaders who left the city. they don't have to grease the liberal mayor's team nip more. sports franchise and restaurants in the city will have to slash

prices. creating a downward domino effect. finance and industry can work remotely in the burkes rbs and create business hubs in read areas with quality of life and lower taxes. this boosts the power of red districts and democrats lose their bargaining power. strong police forces are the thoidges holding them together. democrats are in a tough spot. the status quo works for them, but they can't admit it. so here are "watters world" ideas for police reform. defund the traffic police. the traffic cops that walk around the city all day giving tickets. slash their staff in half. the constant stream of parking tickets is too much. and stop using the police as a

collection agency. liberal mayors need to balance their budgets so they stick their police forces on honest americans you driving around. stop pulling everybody over and handing out fines for nickel and dime infractions. state troopers need to relax on speeding tickets. you shouldn't be ticketed if you are going 85. that's the flow of the road. most cars can handle shire speeds. enough with with the speed traps. number two, double the manpower of internal affairs. many departments don't even have internal affairs. everybody at the station know who the bad apple is. so give the departments manpower to root it out. number three. mandatory body cameras. they pay for themselves in the long run.

number four. you can't lift immunity from police and fire because the lawyers will make a fortune suing cops all day annen it will be chaos and they won't be able to police. why should the cops be sued but the mayor can't. what we can do is when the police union contracts are up for renewal the union can appoint an arbitrator to decide disciplinary action. that's not good, they stack the deck. make the arbitrator independent. try for the teachers unions, too. most of us agree on what the issues are and what needs to be done. but we can't move forward if we are afraid to talk about it. the mobs intimidating. the mob wants you to live in fear and silence so they can seize power while you are too scared to say anything. i support the police. i want paul americans treated

fairly under the law. and respect goes both ways. i love our freedoms and our flag. i'm not ashames of our country. we fight to fix our flaws and fight to be free in our own land. ed the land of opportunity. how is that for an honest conversation about race and policing. here with reaction, former new york city mayor and president trump's personal attorney, rudy *. you have seen a lot of things in your long i will luls industrious career. what the heck is happening in this country right now? you i have never seen this. it's one thing after another you have say you never thought you would see in america from the idea of dismantling police departments to you autonomous s

to where the laws are not even forced. it's a small area but technically that's insurrection. you can't take over areas of the country and appropriate them some yourself. jesse: you saw what happened in seattle and in miami you have people smashing police cars with skate boards. it draw as stark contrast between now liberal precincts are governed and they are handled in red states. you are seeing how liberal governance plays out if you just let everything run wild. >> you know, jesse that's not at all an exaggeration. if you study the states that had

the worst riots. the worst destruction, the least effective law enforcement and the most people killed and injured. it comes back to one thing. they are governed by democrats. they like to consider themselves progressive. i think they are regressive. and the socialist group that wants to secede from some parts of the country. this is very dangerous. this can't be allowed. the american people have to note this as they come up for the election. this is a time the democrats take a bad bad beating. so they go back and reform their party where we have an agreement on fundamental principles. you can't have an autonomous zone within the united states. we fought the civil war because

we are one union. i am not saying this is a civil war, but this is a minor version of it. i believe you stop things right away. you don't let this progress beyond where it is right now. just like you never should have let the riots progress beyond the first stone that was thrown. jesse: it's like the broken windows policy you instituted in new york city. you don't put up with the small stuff. if you let the small stuff go, they try for the big stuff. once they get away with that, all hell is going to break loose. it looks like the tail is wagging the dog. they have have no control over their own towns. and it's a shame to watch. the president gets hit just for trying to lend a hand to help. 30 seconds. give you the last word.

>> they criticize the president and blame him or several. there are people who have been planning this for a long time. antifa, soros. people with anarchist and socialist views. they want us to be part of a one world government. this could be the start of that. if it isn't, it should be wiped out anyway. fit is, it should testified -- if it is, it should definitely be wiped out. jesse: seattle under siege. a socialist takeover of the streets and police are on the run. a firsthand account of what's real i going on inside this anarchist encampment. a major twist in the epstein scandal involving bill clinton.

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and loaded it into trucks and surrendered. they were ordered to do so by seattle's mayor jenny durkan. they forms this zon this you a e zone. and a few armed guys are shake down people for protection. they seceded from seattle and call this area chaz. the astonishing part in all of this is mayor durkan doesn't seem to care. when asked how she plans to take back control of her own city, she had no idea. >> how long do you think seattle in those few blocks looks like

that. >> i don't know. we could have the summer of love. >> tell that to those this who are suppose nobody that precinct. jesse: joining us, caleb heimlich. when you got there, what was it like and how different was it from what the liberal media is describing as a utopia of peace. >> it's a little bit like what the liberal media is portraying it @as. music and arts and crafts and lots of drugs. but about a dozen police officers attempted to walk past the barricade in formation to get to their precinct where they work. 100 protesters flocked to that side, picked up fence and

barricades and physically pushed police back. the mayor and our governor, governor jay inslee want to act like this is all peaceful. they are ignoring the fact that this police precinct has been abandoned since sunday. this is five days later. the chief of police in seattle says call times in that area responding to murder and rape have tripled. it takes 18 minutes for a police officer to respond instead of 5 because they don't have police working out of this precinct. the governor and mayor want to talk about this as fun and games, but it's having an impact on the surrounding communities. jesse: it's like children governing children. if the tea party took over 7

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>> this is a fox news update. atlanta's police chives resigning less than 24 hours after a black man was shot and killed in a struggle over a field so bright attest. there was complaints about a man sleeping in a car at a wendy's drive-thru. the video appears to show the officer shooting the man. the police chief said out of a deep and abiding love for this city and this department i offer to step aside as police chief. beijing's largest wholesale food market and its surrounding neighborhood has been shut down.

traces of the disease were found on fish and cutting boards. >> do you smoke weed in this car? >> yes. >> i kind of got a whiff of it. you got a little bit? ain't no big deal. are you going to give it to me? not often do you stop somebody who is as honest as you have been. i appreciate honesty. it goes long way. so i won't take you to jail. i will cut you a class c ticket for possession of drug paraphernalia. a & e seriously caved and canceled the show. it was a bad move because it

shows how brave and honest police officers are. cancellations are sweeping across the country. hbo removedgon, gone with the w, and statues are being torn down and vandalized. christopher columbus statues are being destroyed. the world war ii memorial was vandalized in washington. the texas statue was removed in texas. the texas ranger. the statue of gandhi was defaced. even a famous abolitionist in philadelphia was attacked. so what does this say about the time we are living in? why are symbols of our shared culture, history and heritage under violent attack. joining me now, victor davis

hanson. this looks like an all-out assault on our connection to history, our founding, our founding principles and it looks like this movement wants to disconnect everything we have with that so they can wipe the slate clean and rebuild america in their own socialist image. how do you see it? >> i think it's no longer a political revolution and demonstration. it's a 360, 24/7 cultural revolution. they want to encompass he aspect of your life from statues to cartoons to movies. the french revolution renamed the months of the year and extended the workweek. mr. abrams in his cop show, he

never thought the revolution would eat him because he was a sober judicious progressive, and an even list on cable tv that night after night told us donald trump was guilty of the charge of russian collusion. so he thought he had sufficient revolutionary protection. but when the revolution gets in full gear, the cultural revolutions, they start eating their own. the only thing that stops them is they eat too many of their tone, too many important people. that happened with the #metoo. it was sort of like that. when they got in full speed and brett kavanaugh was okay. but when they started eating matt lauer and garrison keillor and kevin spacey. when she started ignoring presumption of innocence. now with tara reade.

no one cares anymore. that's what happens with cultural revolutions when they kill off their supporters. when some guy like napoleon says i will stop it with a whiff of grape shot or mao takes over communism. i don't see simone having that degree of evil or ability. jesse: i have never seen anything like this before. but it's good to hear your perspective. eventually this will end, it's just a matter of what it takes to get there. thanks for your insight. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me, jesse. jesse: a new layer to the bill clinton-jeffrey epstein relationship never reported before. president trump bringing back his blockbuster rallies.

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prime trucks, he says, "daddy, there's your people!" i know every single one of us is here busting as hard as we can go every day to make sure these packages get delivered. jesse: it's been a tough quarter for the president. deadly chinese virus. historic economic lockdown. racial riots, just months after a partisan impeachment all in an elect year with nasty media coverage. democrats are glad joe biden is in his basement. they point to polls showing he's in the lead. as things get back to normal, president trump will restart the rally and joe biden will begin a traditional campaign which leads to exposure and moments like this.

>> you know, the rapidly rising in with -- with -- i don't know -- jesse: joining me now, chris wallace and host of "fox news sunday." how do things shape up in your opinion. i guess we are almost at the july 4 weekend. the polls are a little all over the place. joe biden seems to be doing okay hanging out in the basement. what can change the race in your opinion in the next few weeks? chris: everything can change the race. you talked earlier about impeachment. most people forget that even happened this year. and when it was happening in february, everybody said that would be the big story. things happen and we con assignment with such velocity. i think clearly the coronavirus and the economic impact will

stick around. and i think the president will certainly be judged on how well looking in october and november they think he handled. but they won't blame him for all of that. but they have the sense that things seem to be improving or they are not. i think the importance of the last couple of weeks has less to do with the specifics on policing than just the question of unity and whether people feel when there was all this chaos going on, whether they were happy with the way the president performed or not. then you put your finger on another big thing. joe biden's performance. he's very shaky. there is no question about it on the campaign trail. at some point he will have to get out of the basement and go campaign at least by the convention in august. it's always interesting when joe biden gets in front of a

microphone. reporter: this is a fox news alert. we are going to listen to a press conference. rashard brooks' family is speaking. >> you don't know how far away they were when they shot? you can't find their positions when they used that weapon? they appear to be covering their tracks. allegedly he was taken to the hospital and died in surgery. >> we agree with the mayor saying that the for who fired his weapon should be terminated and he should be prosecuted. paul howard, they have their investigation. they say they want justice. i don't even carry inmore.

i don't know what justice is anymore. is it getting somebody arrested or fired or the police chief stepping down? i know this isn't justice what's happening right now. you know. it's just not much more we can say or do as a society. people who are refusing change and not understanding why the time is now for complete systematic change. take a look. if you compare all the individuals on line if it was a white individual who had a deadly weapon that wasn't killed. we are trying to understand why didn't they get shot? and why did rashar -- have to when. i don't have any answer.

i am surer is tired of seeing it. we are so concerned about trying to find a vaccine for the coronavirus. the world is pitching in. we are pitching in millions and millions of dollars, scientists from around the world are trying to help find a vaccine. but nobody is trying to find a vaccine for civil rights abuse. it's something we are told to wait for. it will come. nobody is trying to find a vaccine why officers pull the trigger he fast. i guess it's just because it doesn't hit close to home for the people who say it. so once again, i will say this the millionth time you have seen me fight one of these cases. we'll fight for justice. we are trying to get the cop

arrested or whatever. i don't know. we are just tired. and if you don't understand that because you may be a didn't color, you may be a different gender, you may not be from georgia, then you may be the problem. i think the word that encapsulate everything that chris just said to you is empathy. this is all -- all the families are asking for and we are asking for as representatives of these families. just a little empathy. if this officer today had been and little more empathetic and a bit less scared, then we probably wouldn't have a dead

client. we wouldn't be here talking to you like we are right now. there are a lot of things, specific things wrong with policing in this country. and i think that over the past few week we talked about a lot of them, you have seen a lot of them on tape. like chris said, we are tired. we'll keep doing this as long as there is a need. but we don't want there to be a need to do this any more. the first failure i saw when i saw this tape was training. just as chris said. if a taser isn't a deadly weapon, then it's note a deadly weapon when i have it, it's not a deadly weapon when anyone else hates. when our client has a taser they are going to say it's a deadly weapon and it's not. there were two officers.

one of them. that's number one. number two, leadership failure. and i don't want to see anyone lose their job, but maybe the police chief needed to resign. whatever they are doing from the top is not reaching the bottom. if they are doing it correctly from the top and that's what they are trying to get across to their officers, it needs to change. because this can't happen again. policing in this country and this city needs to change to something more he pathetic and community-based. police are necessary. but the way they are policing our communities is wrong, it's causing death, and we are not going to stand for it anymore. obviously. you see the people are not going to stand for it anymore. i think a lot of these minor

changes are happening because people are scared. they are scared for a store, they are scared for a restaurant. but the lives of these people, americans, black people, human beings. in my opinion are more important than any store or restaurant that is anywhere else. that's number two. the third thing i will say [inaudible] i don't know those two officers personally. but just from watching the tape i can tell they were scared. it's understandable. that's a hard profession police. but if you have fear, you don't need to be a police officer. if you do not understand the community that you are policing in, you do not need to be a police officer.

if you are not comfortable with black people, white people, brown, general, whatever, you don't need to be a police officer. a police officer is as much of a counselor as they are anything else. i believe when you go back to the leadership and training. you will see these officers are talking crack heads. when they can't crack heads they are talking shoot. that's resulting in death. i don't think this is going to end anytime soon. and frankly i want everyone watching and everybody here to understand we are noting for protesters hot to go out. we need to keep pushing. we need to let everyone know this is unacceptable and we are not going to just move on to the next tragedy. this probably won't be the last

tragedy. and that's a sad thing. but we are going to treat he single one like it shouldn't have happened. we are going to go as hard as we can with this one like we are going for george floyd and you a maw -- andahmaud arbery. and at the end of the day, if you look around, we are white, black, asian, brown, yellow, green. we are all people. so if we can see that, we understand why the police can't see that. there are some people who opened their eyes and woken up and they see that. but we want you to put pressure on the police, put pressure on the mayor, put pressure on your governor.

put pressure on everyone letting them gnome know you will not take this anymore. this is not just black people. we have been dealing with this our entire lives. they are dealing with it now, stand up with us. push with us, fight with us. when you see us in minnesota, fight with us. when you see us here in atlanta, fight with us. because our fight is your fight. this is the united states of america. we are coming up on july 4. this is going to be a very weird july 4 for a lot of people. people are coming to the realization that america doesn't mean america for all americans. and that's a problem. so keep pushing, fight with us, and hopefully we'll get some change and this will be the last time we have to have a press conference about a dead black man killed by police.

>> another thing, there was to count to 100 and walk this line. they said they were just talking. having a decent conversation. then all of $sudden one of the officers grabbed him and told him he's under arrest. so this started from nothing. it wasn't a bank robbery in progress or anything violent. they just told him he was under arrest. now i see they are reporting suspected dui or he was blocking the line. he wasn't blocking the line. and they didn't do a sobriety test from what the witnesses said. so why was he under arrest? you want to knowy how this could have been avoided? talk to him. hey, buddy, you okay?

why don't you pull your car over there and call an iesh. then you walk over. why is that so hard for police officers. a conversation. he wasn't doing anything crazy fear violent or harming anyone. hey, buddy, i think you have had something to drink. pull over there, call an uber. i guarantee you that happens hundreds of times a night in college towns with young white kids or other places in america. we don't get that benefit of the doubt. not only do that destroy it i am and of policing which i have always held to a high standard. even though i'm going against the officers.

but [inaudible] i will get up there and say i have respect for officers and policing. but [inaudible] needs help, and that's hard. any questions? >> [inaudible] >> i don't care. >> [inaudible] came back and pointing. why do you think he got released that video [inaudible] >> i think they were just releasing the most surveillance

video of the parking lot. i am sure there is more video. witnesses have video. in some of these horrific actions. in that video you can count how long they let that body lie on the imrownd before touching him or even trying to fix him. the video is helpful for us. it would show they were far apart when he's running and pointing it backwards. but the case law in georgia. a taser is not a deadly weapon. they can't say he was running with a gun. i lose cases on officers who use it against my clients because it's not a deadly weapon. if it's not a deadly weapon, his life was not in immediate harm when he fired that shot. just was not. it wasn't. i watched one of the most

conservative police chiefs today and even he said there were other options he could have done and a taser isn't a deadly weapon. >> [inaudible] >> there is just so many witnesses. we didn't know that they picked up their shell casings before gbi got to investigate the scene. >> [inaudible] the video concrete audio of any of the conversations between law enforcement? >> we haven't gotten all the audio yet. the district attorney's office is talking to all these witnesses. >> [inaudible] >> there could be a thousand

reasons for someone running from the police, right? just imagine if you are sleeping in your car because you are trying drink something off and you get officers knock on your window hard. judg>> he tried to get away, tht what it looked like. they would not let him get away. they were hell bent on stopping him. so yes getting away from a situation that could be detrimental to you also turned into a situation that was detrimental to you. you can't get out of it. that's probably what happened but we can't speak to