have a great week and we'll see you next fox news sunday. hello america, i'm mark levin. part two of the insurrection. our guest is doctor swain. she was a tenured professor at vanderbilt university, she has a ba in criminal justice, a masters in law, a phd in political science, really remarkable woman. she is also part of the 1776

night that bob woodson has organized and part of a black voices for trump advisory board member and i could go on and on. doctor swain, you are very, very impressive, but people who don't know, give us a little bit of your background. >> i'm an american success story. i was one of 12 children born and raised in the rural south. we all dropped out of school after we completed the eighth grade. by the time i was 20 i had three small children and i went to community college and got the first of 5 degrees and i eventually became a successful university professor earning early tenure at princeton, i've been cited by the u.s. supreme court, and i love america. if you haven't noticed i'm black.

>> that is a fantastic background. you've seen what's been going on in this country. athletes, commissioner of nfl, hollywood, the democrat party on the left, pelosi and schumer, first of all when asking a question, is this a civil rights movement like that of the 1960s that have a specific agenda on equality, voting, access. this has but over throw of the original principles of our government and the overthrow of our economic system. what you make of this. >> i think that it's part of the cultural agenda against

america, and the protesters that are out there, the corporations that are giving money, i believe there is fear and they believe racism in america is intolerable and it hasn't improved and black people live their lives in fear, that's a false narrative and i think it's being pushed this year because of the election and i think that the situation with george floyd in the media and black lives matter, all of those groups had an incentive to push and fan the flames so they ended up with what we are expressing right now. so were all suffering as a result of their political agenda and it will not bring us closer together. >> i look at this and i have to say, you look at these that have been run by one party

with an iron fist, mayor, city council, for half a century at least, they're in charge of the money that comes into these communities and how it's distributed, that money is laundered through their nepotism and political cronyism, they take no responsibility for what going on in their city. same with these one party states and these democrat states. >> she wants to remove 11 confederate statues, nancy pelosi, and i'm thinking hasn't she been there like 30 years, she's been speaker twice, she was there when the democrats controlled the house and senate and barack obama was president.

what is that going to do and is in it for her, purely opportunism because she had every opportunity to remove those statues years ago. >> first of all, i would like for your viewers to know that i was a democrat up until 2005 but i always had a different perspective on the world, i've always been able to see through things so i've known that the democratic party was problematic, but i was there and i've been able to watch them over the years, and it's clear this whole movement, i believe it's really focused on dividing the country even further. the monuments are part of our history. we can't learn from our history them were in trouble and the whole situation is problematic because with the monument, this is something, there's monuments on all sides. if we turn those down what

happens tomorrow when the leaders that we are celebrating today fall out of favor. it's the wrong time for our. [inaudible] and it's meant to stir up people who are opportunists. >> i think you're right. the notion that were going to turn on all the confederate statues because americans worship these generals, americans mostly despite these generals or don't know who they are. what comes next? what comes next. movies are being affected, television shows are being pulled off the air, we have this bizarre purging going on, this cleaning up of history that's going on when in fact we actually need to know all these things as we go into the

future, correct. >> it's far more important to look at the full picture and not to judge the past by the politically correct lens that we use today. >> yes because if we judge the past by the political lens of today as you point out, then we have a lot of questions to ask of the left and the democrat party, for instance how could you have voted for robert to be the democrat party majority when he had been a klansman several decades before. that seems to me to it be a rational question. how could joe biden have worked with out of the closet segregationist on various crime bills and other issues if were supposed to cleanse history, or may i say this to you professor, the democrat party, if were going to purge society of all vestiges of segregatesegregation and

racism, was it not the democrat party that gave birth to the clan, was that not the democrat party that throughout hundred years after the civil war led to segregation and jim crow and literacy test, i understand the democrat party has done some good things, but if it's in our dna and we are systemically racist and were burning books, why don't we purge the democratic party. >> i agree in the democratic party also for against the anti- lynching laws and the democrats have been manipulating black people for a long time and they pay off the leaders. they pick certain ones in the black community, they pay them off and nothing good trickles down to the masses.

it has stood in the way of black progress, it standing in the way right now, and they are using black people to advance a radical agenda that i believe will be destructive to our nation and hurt all of us and it's hurting us right now. >> i look at the 1964 civil rights act which was actually quite crucial, i look at the breakdown of the votes in the house of representatives, 61% voted for it, 80% of republicans voted for it. in the senate where were filibustered, the democrat 69% of democrats wound up voting for it. 82% of republicans wound up voting for it, and yet the democrat party today blames to take the lead in what is systemic racism in society, systemic racism in police departments, the democrat party is going to advance

equality, you have iconic figures in our culture, lebron james, you have the commissioner of the nfl, pretty much, these are all democrats, all promoting the democrat party. let me circle back. so in many respects is this about power and not so much about civil rights. >> it's absolutely about power, and if you go to the black lives matter website and you click on the link to donate, that money is going to credit candidates. it's not really advancing the cause of black people, and i think that it's very problematic that the truth statement, the slogan that black lives matter in the same way that all lives matter that because of the slogan, black lives matter is a true statement, people are being shamed, they feel the only way they can show support is to

donate money or to acquiesce and get down on their knees and that's not going to benefit the black community and this whole move to defund the police, that's ludicrous. that will hurt black people more than any other group. >> thank you. we'll be right back. why bother mastering something? because when you want to create an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery is all the difference in the world. the lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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welcome back. let me ask you a few questions. you're very experienced, you are an example of the american drea dream. in the media and hollywood

you've seen them talk about systemically racist and so many of them do not live in these communities. maybe they came from these communities, they live in these communities that are quote unquote racist and they send their send their kids to these schools that are quote unquote systemically racist. does that kind of hypocrisy, someone like you who has come out of inner-city system, does that frustrate you. >> the poverty i came out i was a rural poverty and what i noticed as a student and faculty member is that a lot of people who have been privileged whether their white, black or hispanic, the more privileged they are the more they feel the need to use that language of systemic racism and i think of been

driven by guilt. they feel guilty because they're prospering and it's very problematic to me that the people who make public policy from ivy league schools, they know nothing about the topic they are trying to solve so maybe they did research or were in a phd program or wrote a dissertation come about the extent of their knowledge and their gonna make public policy for the nation? that's one of the reasons we are in trouble and all these theories. all of this is rooted in marxism and it's a false narrative and if there is no relationship to truth or reality. mark: this word marxism, the nt for group that has done enormous damage over the couple weeks is a marxist

anarchic group. the media pretend they don't exist or they down downplay the role. black lives matter was originally a very violent group, that's never mentioned. people say they stand for black lives matter, we stand for all people but we don't necessarily stand with this organization. let me ask you this. education is key. it's been he throughout your life. not a lot they are tied at the hip the democrat party, huge donors nearly exclusively and

they work -- barack obama was one of the most outspoken opponents of student choice so in communities with bad schools, to choose working quality schools to send their kids rather than the school down the street if it's not functioning properly and allows competition, parochial schools, private schools, charter schools and so forth where the money follows the student just as it follows the student in college. this to me is a huge human and civil rights issue. basic education. the mbas not behind it, the nfl's not behind it, the media is not behind it, the democrat party is obstructing and they talk about the cops unions, what about the teachers unions. what's your take on it.

majority an of blacks, they have school choice and in those inner-city schools that are crime-ridden, students are afraid to go to school because of restorative justice rooted in marxism and it is making it almost impossible for students to be suspended and in cities run by democrats, they have not gotten rid of that so there's lawlessness within. there is chaos in school just like there is in the streets. it's very problematic and we need school choice. whenever democratic cities want money they say we have to pay our teachers more they use the teachers but a lot of that money never reaches the teachers.

>> the problem is in these democratic cities that have an economic model that's more socialist than capitalist. >> yes. mark: they have an all-powerful bureaucracy and they do not allow these kids get a proper education. money keeps flowing and it does not work. we have drastic reform and bring more liberty and opportunity that we haven't seen in half a century. doctor i want to thank you very much for being on the program. god bless you. so you can have a daily multivitamin free of stuff you don't want.

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this is a fox news alert. they are releasing the cause of death as homicide. brooks died to two gunshot wounds to the back. this is following the death of brooks by the hands of police. he fell asleep at a wendy's and resisted arrest.

the atlanta police chief has resigned. one officer has been fired and another placed on administrative leave. welcome back our next guest is associate professor of political science at kentucky state university. he wrote a fantastic book, among others, hate crime hopes how the left is selling a fake race war. professor you see what's going on around you. you've been commenting on this. is there systemic racism in our police department in the aggregate.

>> systemic racism as an academic is a phrase i'm always a bit skeptical of. obviously if we want to be honest about some of this country's history there has been systems like mental sentencing in the past where until quite recently you did see discrimination at a broad root targeted level, but very often this phrase means there's a difference in performance between two groups and were going to attribute that to racism. the basketball league is more than 60% black and i don't think has anyone would believe that white jocks don't get a fair shot. there is a cultural barrier. after the americans play basketball more and so on average we are better at it. white guys play more baseball if you look at mlb that is a very heavily caucasian and

hispanic league and you see the same thing and more what you call. situations again. in 1995 the government and the conservative researcher. [inaudible] whose nonpartisan at the time look at the troubling fact that there's a gap between black-and-white income. african-americans made 82% of what caucasians did and this is universally attributed to racism. what they found out is that wasn't the case. there are a lot of variables involved. african-americans are younger population, the most common age for a black man is 27. for a white man it's 58. obviously people earn more later in life when they've had the chance to move into executive roles. african-americans are much more concentrated in the south where wages are lower for everyone. these factors, and just a couple others, years, not even quality of school but just

staying in school, average performance on a test like the sat, the gap almost disappeared you could argue some of those things are tied into class and whatnot, but there's no pattern of businesses paying an absolutely qualified black guy and absolutely qualified white guy different amounts in general and i think that's a valuable lesson. when people argue that policing is institutional basis, almost always what they are saying is african-americans are arrested at a higher rate where they encounter police at a higher rate than the black percentage of society would predict, but the obvious intermediary variable is crime rate. if you look at the very of just a crime report, the african-american crime rate where you encounter the police is 2.4 times the white rate so you would expect there, unfortunately to be more encounters between african americans and the police and when you look at this narrative about black people

and the police being in constant conflict, not only does a lot of the structural element, perhaps not all of that but a great dea deal, the figure themselves that are often used strike me as very, very inflated in terms of police violence so there is a comprehensive database of police shootings and killings maintained by the washington post newspaper. there's another one that kept online at debbie debbie debbie.killed by police.net, and if you look at that washington post database, for some reason the figures change from time to time, but until about a week ago the total number of unarmed men killed by police in the usa last year was listed as nine unarmed black individual. total number of unarmed people, all races, all sexes was only 56. there were only about a thousand people of all backgrounds armed or unarmed killed by police and only 229 of those were african-american. there is a lot of serious research that looks at types of violence, other than just shooting or killing.

so roland fryer who is one of the youngest individuals ever to gain tenure at harvard and like me, as a black man, took a comprehensive look at every type of police violence in the paper that came out in 2016, and what he found is that there were some small gaps, african-americans were a bit more likely to be pushed out or shoved but when it came to extreme beatings or police shootings, african-americans, in the case of shootings were actually 24-point to less likely with everything along with race adjusted for, to be shot by the police than whites were so i don't think you see pattern of fraud and systemic targeting of black people by the police today. that doesn't mean there aren't individual bad officers. we saw the horrifying george floyd tape, my position is in thatcomplex than they origiy

seem to be. two of the officers on the scene as it turned out are not caucasian men. floyd and derek chauvin, the officer primarily responsible for the killing had previously known one another from a security guard position so i don't think we can just look at interactions and say what we have here is an epidemic pattern of racism, genocide as the attorney called it in a recent book. >> all right. we'll be right back.

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based on what you're saying based on what i'm reading in the data, police brutality is not the issue that is holding back people. unity. what is holding back people in the various unities, and why is the narrative so heavily focused on police brutality i think that's a very complex question that gets into a lot of things, like the difference between historic and contemporary racism. so, first of all, one thing i would say is that minority communities in the united states have gone through and come through a lot the black community endured free, at least in the south, endured jim crow, the crack era, and so on down the line. you've actually seen some pretty steady closures between black-and-white. just looking at this doing casual research, the black sat

went up to 950. the black story in america is not a story of tragedy. but when you look at things that are genuinely problematic in a large scale in the black community, i think you are seeing legacies of racism in the past when you're looking at poverty housing, so on down the line and even more to the point to me, you are seeing legacies of the 1960s welfare state, a fatherlessness is the biggest problem, and i'm not just in a blame black people. the biggest problem among all groups in america, the great economist walter williams in 1938 that rates of fatherlessness for whites it was under 4%, for african americans it was 11%. those same rates today are 35.4% for caucasians including caucasian hispanic, over 50%, close to 60% for hispanic and native americans, 72% forever in american, and obviously the presence of a father, and particularly a young man is one of the biggest predictors

of how likely he will go to high school or go to jail, things like suicide come about true for lower income caucasian americans. there are very broad systemic problems in the black community and many american communities. the collapse of the family and those associated is probably the biggest one. why is it so necessary to blame the ghost of the paschal #two reasons, one we are used to doing so and two there is broad social approval so celebrities, lebron james for example know that if they say the cause of every one of these problems is racism, one that is going to be greeted very approvingly by a network of natural allies throughout society and to it will sound like something that most people are used to hearing, but dealing with the actual

problem in african-american communities is going to take more than the eradication of racism and it's worth noting, by the way that the large majority of people black-and-white are not racist in any conventional sense today. we might look at the results on some biased test and be a little worried for a bit but if you look at classic questions, would you vote for qualified member of the other race for president if they ran with your political party, the figure for that is 92% for african-americans and for whites. interracial dating, marriage, love, i don't think we can simply look at an issue like violence in cities and say that's due to racism. one thing you have to point out is that many of the large cities have been controlled by democratic, often minority led

, if there is a problem with gun violence in the streets you can't just say that's the white man. mark: and also on this interracial issue you raise, i looked at statistics based on a few years back, and it indicated that new marriages, 17% were almost one and five is interracial. how can you have systemic racial when one out of every five marriages is inter- racial. i could be wrong, but i'll pose this to you for the next segment. this notion of systemic racism means everything and it means nothing. it's an excuse for not addressing the real issues that exist in these communities and other communities, you pointed out one party rule, one party economic ideology so there's a battle. there are obstacles to things like school choice that exist in other parts of the country, but not in the inner city. you have the democrat party

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professor, how about a liberty agenda, a competition agenda, the sort of environment that exists in so many other parts of the country, is never discussed, you never hear it discussed by people in the media or in hollywood, so how about a real liberty agenda. >> if you're talking about for the black community, i would fully support that. one thing i will say is that i think more competition economically and politically would be an excellent thing for the african american community. i would love to see the black community split our vote 5050 because that would imply that both political parties might actually do something for us. >> what you see right now is that every four years, with a few exceptions, there are a few long-term serving black servants but democratic politicians come out of the woodwork during election years and make impassioned racial

pitches to the black community and this is true no matter who the gop candidate is. when ripped mitt romney who is an antiracist republican was running for president, joe biden commented about him was that he's gonna put you all back in chains. mitt romney's not going to bring back slavery no matter which political party you vote for, he's just not going to, and this year the exact same line has been used against donald trump. in political science we find that the mainstream media covered most gop presidents as they cover donald trump read the reaction as a result of his sometimes over the top offense of language, but in regard to trump, joe biden said you ain't black to the radio host if you would consider voting for the donald while he's in office. i don't think that sort of virtua virtue signaling every four years does much. racism is real, but today, simply put the biggest

predictor of how successful you become in this country is not residual prejudice around you. the most successful groups in the country have a liberty agenda. nigeria and americans, japanese-americans, east indian americans, they are the wealthiest work americans. i would definitely like to see a lot of that agenda transitioned into deprived communities whether poor white communities are asking american communities although clearly i'd like to see enterprise zones and charter schools as an option for striving minority parents, hbc you is a member of which that are a bit, i'm proud to teach at one but that after high school, i would like to see as many chances to competitively perform in the hood as there are two competitively perform in the suburbs and that would do much much more good for poor people, especially for black people then the endless

ghost hunting for new or refined forms of racism. >> but you can understand what that means, that means trying to figure out how to defeat one party rule in these cities and how to defeat the teachers union and a whole bureaucracy in a whole group of surrogates i have grown out of these one party cities. that will be very difficult. >> just very quickly, public-sector unions in general to me as a businessman and an academic are problematic. with public-sector unions you don't really have two parties coming to the table. you have it's made up of middle-class and executives and then you have the executives that give sizable contributions. in terms of real solutions to the issue of policing, a lot of those would involve tackling police unions. you sometimes hear that camden

got rid of the police. no they didn't they broke the union, gave training and change their name plus they have 70% more boots on the ground in terms of the number of police officers than they used to. the more you can take on these public-sector unions to achieve things like body cameras in every department, discussion about removing various immunity from contracts, perhaps i'd like to hear officer reactions to that, the better a relationship between police and the communities they serve , you will see. >> a right thank you very much. it's been extremely edifying and god bless you. >> you as well. mark: we'll be rightnt back. in its most visionary form. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. the bounce wrinkle guard shorts have fewer wrinkles and static, and more softness.

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because we don't know when this crisis will be over when the stock market will be reach bottom, we have to be prepared welcome back. america is a great country with great people. massive diversity with the the vast majority of us get along but there's political and

others that seek to divide us. this idea that america is systemically racist is a big lie. the purpose of the flag in the national anthem is to unite the country. the people who attack it don't seek to unite the country. let's go through history very quickly in the minutes that i have left. there was a civil war that began in 1861. over 800,000 casualties would be the equivalent of over 8 million casualties and over half of those were soldiers and others fighting for the north to keep the union together and to end slavery. no nation on the face of the earth ever undertaken such an effort. 1863 was the emancipation proclamation. president lincoln freed the slaves throughout the country, particularly the south. we had 1865, the 13th amendment abolishing slavery,

the states ratified the 13th amendment, we have the civil rights act of 1866 and 1871. the enforcement act of 1870, the force act of 1871, all intended to advance the cause of integration. with the kkk act in the civil rights act of 1875, in 1868 the 14th amendment was ratified by the state that abolishes not only but it guarantees due process to all citizens, especially freed african slaves. 1870 the 15th amendment guarantees the right to vote for all citizens. now the implementation of this became problematic because of the democrat party and elements not just in the south from the north but they didn't believe in reconstruction after the assassination. i was after the assassination of abraham lincoln and after ulysses s grant left office. there's been many efforts since then including by our courts, our national legislatures in our state legislature, in 1954 the brown versus board of education 9 - 0, reversing parts of

plexi versus ferguson, then they end segregation in transportation. in 1964 civil rights act passed by the overwhelming majority of the republicans in the house and senate majorities of the democrats, prohibits discrimination in voting, public accommodation, public facility, public education, federal assistance programs and employment and establish the eeoc or the 1965 voting rights act. a prohibited denial and restriction of the right to vote and forbids discriminatory voting practices nationwide. 1967 you have the loving versus virginia act declaring state laws prohibiting interracial marriage to be unconstitutional. going back in 1953, dwight eisenhower instituted rules that eliminated segregation.

1957, the civil rights act of 1957 created the civil rights commission and civil rights division. eisenhower ordered desegregation in the d.c. schools. you have the insurrection act that was amended in 1871 to allow the use of military to enforce, among other things, civil rights and desegregation. 1871, ulysses s grant sent a thousand elders to hunt down clansmen in south carolina and captured 600 of them. 1957, eisenhower sent the 101st division to little rock to protect nine students entering little rock against the order of the governor at the time. one of bill clinton's mentors. 1962 john kennedy federalized the national guard to allow black student to enroll in mississippi oxford. 1965 lbj federalized the national guard to protect civil rights.

i'm just touching the tip of the iceberg. the number of economic programs, the trillions of dollars, don't tell me this country is systemically racist. if this country were systemically racist, none of this would have taken place, none of this would be taking place. we americans are good people regardless of our race, regardless of religion and our sex. regardless of politicians who try to divide outcome of the media who tried to divide us, the so-called cultural icons who try to divide us. we are an imperfect people in an imperfect country and it's the greatest country on the face of the earth. just ask most of those on tv in sports or hollywood who trash it day in and day out. if you want real revolutionary dramatic reform, including in our inner city, then of and in the old economic practice. allow choice and liberty to take place in these communities. they are ruled by one party,

ironfisted control and the politicians that run these town, as far as i'm concerned are corrupt right up to here. anyway, thank you for joining me tonight on life, liberty and levin and i will see you next time. >> more protests across america against police brutality and for racial justice after the death of mr. brooks on friday. good evening and welcome to "the next revolution". i'm steve hilton and this is the home of positive populism. pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and especially pro-america. my thoughts on the big debate coming up next but first let's go live to steve in atlanta. steve what is happening there right now? >> despite a steady rain you can still see the protesters out here at the wendy's where mr. brooks was shot and killed friday night. they came from different parts of atlanta to march here