china had one around beijing area. but nothing to dissuade investors. when all is said and done that the rollout continues without any serious bumps. that will do it. here comes "the five." thanks for joining us. ♪ >> dana: hello everyone. i'm dana perino along with juan, jesse watters, and greg. 5:00 in new york city and this is the five. a fatal police shooting of a black man in atlanta fueling a fresh wave of outrage and calls to defund the place. a police officer shot and killed him during an altercation in a wendy's parking lot on friday. police say a few officers were arresting him after a sobriety test when he took a taser from one of them. surveillance video shows him

running away. then, one of the officers shoot him in the back. the city medical examiner ruling the death a homicide. the officer has been fired and the city's police chief has stepped down. president trump calling it a terrible situation. the president also set to sign an executive order on police reform tomorrow. take a look. >> we are going to have some solutions, i think some good solutions and some of it as you know is about good people. we need good people in our police departments and we have mostly great people. overall, we want to law and order and we want it done fairly, justly. we want it done safely. >> dana: the deadly shooting reigniting the debate on defunding the police. but democrats are disagreeing on the issue. >> nobody is going to defund the police. the fact of the matter is the police have a role to play. >> you can't really reform a

department that is rotten to the root. the current infrastructure that exists as policing in our city should not exist anymore. >> dana: juan williams, let me start with you, because the situation in atlanta, it happened on friday night. pretty quick action. it was ruled a homicide. the officer was fired. the police chief stepped down as well. your take on the development over the weekend. >> juan: well, i think this is a case that really cries out and helps you to understand why people are crying out for reform. as you saw in the video that you showed, there is a moment there, actually before the video where there is a pretty calm interaction between mr. brooks and the police officer. he is intoxicated.

he's in the drive-through lane at a wendy's and he's blocking it. the police are called to talk to him and they have an ongoing conversation before that scuffle that you see in sue. and then, the larger point here is that he refuses to be arrested. there was no problem until he refused to be arrested. and then when the scuffle happened, he grabs the taser and runs away and sadly a shot in the back. now, to me, again, it seems to be a situation where he said he was going to run to his sister's house. i just wonder if it wasn't in the public interest to let him run to his sister's house. he could have been picked up later, i think. with the public had been less safe if he had run away? i don't think there would have been a problem there. but again, i will not see the idea that he deserved to be shot in the back. but again, de-escalation, to my

mind, was called for here. i think that's why people are saying let's have some police reform on the table. not defund the police, but reform the police, structurally. >> dana: okay. so, there obviously will be due process for the officer. in the court of public opinion, they have already been tried. i also wanted to point out and get your take on the fact that another business, a local business, wendy's was burned. wendy's had nothing to do with this. the guy was asleep in his car the drive-through at the wendy's. but now the establishment has been burned. people who work there don't have a job. >> no, and the district attorney told me this morning on the fox business network that they are looking into that crime and looking for the suspect in addition to weighing charges against the officer who has been fired and even the one who has

been suspended possibly even looking at felonies, murder. but juan raises a good point about training of officers and the number of hours that any officer would get in de-escalation training versus use of force training. and also, we don't really have a nationwide database over the use of tasers. i've mentioned this before that when you are dealing with someone who is mentally ill, that in many states, officers only get about eight hours of training in handling the mentally ill, when about a quarter of fatal police shootings involve someone with a mental illness. it just raises the issue of how to focus training. because you watch from start to finish in less than an hour, you go from an intoxicated suspect who is talking about his daughter's birthday party to be him being shot in the back. that's got wrenching and heart-wrenching for anyone to

watch. >> dana: and justly, over the weekend too, the conversation oe about defunding the police continues with writing in "the new york times" that no, we absolutely believe that we are going to defund the police. what you have somebody, more of a statesmanlike james, who was on tv yesterday. we showed the clip, explaining that defunding the police is not a good way to go about things. the democrats are at each other's throats about this. >> jesse: yeah, that's a mess that the left is going to have to clean up that really doesn't have anything to do with reality. i see things a little bit differently than juan does. i don't think it's acceptable to allow highly intoxicated people to insult police officers, shoot tasers at officers and say okay, i'm just going to let them run back at large to their sister's house. that's just not policing. if you look at the situation, if

you punch a police officer, resist, steal their taser, and then as you are fleeing, and they've already been hit with a taser to no effect. as you are fleeing and you are turning and firing the taser at the police officer, they told you to stop. and you shoot the taser at the officer and happen to miss and that taser hits the officer, incapacitates the officer, the suspect grabs his firearm and shoots the other officer. and then you have an armed man at large with a deadly weapon. this story could have gone that way. and the news would have covered that a lot differently if you think about it. maybe they wouldn't have covered it much at all if that had happened. but it didn't happen that way. under the playbook, the police department of georgia, this was just a file beer. now the reason he was shot in the back is because he was shooting at the officer. when they have a taser turned on

them, they are trained to discharge their weapon. that's why the gun was discharged in the back. if you watch the full tape, which i have, almost 40 minutes of it, the police were nothing but polite. in fact, they knocked on the window to wake the guy up. they asked him if he was okay, if he needed an ambulance. and then they had a long conversation. they didn't know whether he had a daiquiri, a martini. at one point he said to the other officer, hey, i know you are doing your job. i know you are just doing your job. it could have been an easy simple dui. probably would have been discharged in about an hour. and he just starts racking up felonies and it's a horrible tragic situation that never should have happened in the first place and now we are sitting around here talking about this horrible horrible death again. and it's just incredibly frustrating that these things keep happening.

>> dana: indeed. greg, can we get a last word from you? >> greg: one of the things why you can't let somebody go is you don't know what they might be guilty of doing that you don't know about. but none of the last, it's a terrible video. but the story for me is larger than a singular event. we are offering almost no context anymore to these events when these videos come out. i think we are leaving our country at the mercy of a dangerous narrative fueled by these horrific videos. i can ultimately destroy a country when you are having 10 million arrests and something like 15 million police encounters a year. you know, ten of these incidents could very easily happen. make it 20. twice a month. maybe you could have two of them a month. if we treat these the way we treat them now without context, this country is not going to survive. because every time we are about to make a little bit of progress, it's back to square

one with riots and with looting, because we've made it okay. i would urge everybody to go listen to harrison's podcast. he confronts some of the facts that nobody on network tv or cable television will touch. for example, the fact that blacks are 25% less likely to be shot during an attempted arrest even though nonwhite officers are more likely to shoot white suspects. these are facts. the reason you have to bring up these facts as we have to stop making this a black versus white issue and make it a black-and-white issue. because right now the narrative that we are operating under is heading towards a race war. what happens with the race war? the police back off and crime and murder increases, right? blacks are six times more likely to be murdered and not by cops. so, if the cops pull back, it's going to become 12 times. you don't need to defund the

police right now. it's already done. it's called the ferguson effect. cops are going to pull back. they are going to do just 911 duty. they are not going to do any proactive policing. when there is no policing, that means they only come after the crimes committed. so that means the thousands of murders, whether it's black on black crime, white on white crime, they are going to double. they are going to triple. because we are creating a fiery narrative that makes people think that something is happening more often than it is and that it's happening to a certain type of person as opposed to another. the statistics will change your mind on this. i urge you to go listen to the podcast tonight. it's an hour and 15 minutes. there is a little anti-trump stuff in there. just get through that. >> dana: [laughs] right. it's always a great recommendation. i love sam harris as well.

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♪ >> juan: president trump going after washington state leaders for not breaking up seattle. >> we have governors that are stiff and a mayor. if they don't do the job, i'll do the job. radical left press. that doesn't cut it. they are acting like nothing happened. all of a sudden they will see let's do something about the city let's do another one.

>> juan: greg, let me begin with you. why do you think the president views this as a threat to public safety? >> greg: well, because there is no and order. what we are seeing is an experiment and infantile behavior. there are humans on this planet who can't value something until it's taken from them. they have no idea how to make anything. where does food come from? electricity. it just comes through the walls. they don't realize this until it's all gone. it's kind of like when you're in a relationship and somebody dumps you and then you go, i didn't know what i have that it was so special. so now the irony is realizing the importance of boundaries. they are building walls. they are setting up their own law and order and it's actually kind of hyperviolent. they are even doing some kind of jim crow where they are separating races. it'that'sultimately what happen.

maybe commerce might help them. now they are actually figuring out that having no structure is leading to fascism. this is a lord of the flies situation. i think the good news is that it's devolving fast. it's going to return to the population and annoy the rest of us. but maybe they might just be a little bit wiser, although i doubt it. >> juan: all right. dana, why do you think there's a need for the federal government to intervene? the state and local officials, the president indicated that they don't see any threat, any problem in terms of public safety. >> dana: i was think about this today. a part of me feels like if they all think this this something sensible and a big party and the local people are like, oh, well, if that's how they really feel, then perhaps letting that experiment go on is okay. however, you saw the police

chief on their being very honest and blunt in saying she knows what's going to happen. she actually loves her city. she didn't want to abandon the precinct. to president trump's point, you have already seen people try to do something similar, like in nashville of all places. so, his point is that it could spread is a good one as well. are so inept.lems with these they can't even decide what to call themselves. it was a chaz and now it's chop but they can't decide what the o stands for. now they are super confused. they take conventional security to help them deal with her issues. they actually had to call in a real fire truck to put out an actual dumpster fire. someone had to call an actual ambulance. and then you have the fact that they are playing dodgeball in the street. what happens when somebody's eye gets taken out by one of those things? so he has to figure out.

nobody has parents. nobody has parents. >> juan: [laughs] you mean the parents should call them home. >> dana: they probably don't want them to come home. >> juan: i mentioned last week and i still am struck by this. in 2016 i think it was, there was a group of people with guns who took over a federal wildlife reserve and disrupted federal government workers. and there was no outcry from the far right, but outcry over this. what is the difference? >> jesse: i don't remember much about the story. i do remember that they had some sort of what they thought was valid legal claims to the land of the property and it was like some cabin out in the middle of nowhere. okay, this is six city blocks in the middle of the hustle and bustle in metropolitan area with small businesses right there. a little bit different, but neither here nor there.

god forbid, juan if this country is ever invaded, because seattle would be the first city to fall. i mean, is the mayor french? she surrendered before there were even shots fired. she has allowed a bunch of hitchhikers and radicals to come into her city and basically build a fort, like a 12-year-old would build a fort in your house and start making demands and now she's really poorly-negotiating with them. and no one knows what's going on. if you think about it like this, i think i know why. number one, if they had to change their name, chaz was the name of will ferrell's character in wedding crashers." he wore pajamas all day. remember? they thought that was maybe too close to home. so they changed it to chop, which i get is sturdier and it's going to send shivers up your spine. i think it's because the mayor and the governor, they are baby

boomers. their characters were forged in the 60s protest era, so they like this fight the power, fight the police, fight the system. peace love and all that here they have a soft spot for chaz. they are going to give chaz like they did antifa, because deep down they want to give this group room to be radical because they are kind of living vicariously through them. as the new generation. but they are just not treating them the same. because if they were, those bundy people in the city, they would have snipers on the roof ready for the kill shot. >> juan: [laughs] all right. is this about president trump trying to paint all protesters as terrorists, antifa, a threat without any evidence? even no evidence on any wrongdoing on the part of these young people experimenting with the summer of love in seattle?

>> they should have stuck with the name of chaz. it's all about love and the kumbaya. it's like an new flavor of gelato or maybe interpretive dance that they only do with her toes. it's actually, with what the mayor and the governor are doing. they are trying to make it about trump and essentially egg him on. where is the governor? again, it's the obligation to provide some semblance of law and order for the state. and you know what? seattle itself and the surrounding area is the hub for large companies. amazon stays there. starbucks. costco. microsoft is nearby. why aren't those tech executives on the ring telling the governor to get his act together and put them back to work?

>> juan: all right, coming up, gregory takes on the media narrative behind the protest. they with us. that's next on "the five." ♪ a lotta folks are asking me lately how to get their dishes as clean as possible. i tell them, you should try cascade platinum plus the power of oxi. cascade platinum + oxi penetrates and breaks down food soils some detergents can leave behind, washing away even the smallest food residue, so it doesn't redeposit on your dishes. and oxi is cascade's most powerful clean, formulated without any chlorine bleach, for a deep hygienic clean you can see and feel. cascade + the power of oxi. the #1 recommended brand in north america.

♪ >> greg: so, you realize this won't stop. there are millions of arrests made every year. the odds that a dozen or so will end up horribly, 100%. all it takes is one video to set it up, and of course the media that inflames it. the videos are shocking. what unites them are the visuals. what makes them different are the stories behind them. the death of george floyd and tony share common traits. but they are different races, which changes how it's covered. should it? the stats back up what i said

after the floyd killings. bad training, unbending minds. and now it's countered with an equally unbending rage now steering a country towards ruin. all it takes is another video. is there something the media can do to save us? yeah, stop pushing inflammatory uninformed opinions. the media should get a room and read the stats of police interactions and know every single mistake shown in these videos. all races included. the culprits are actually bad tactics in training. the race card fades when you see how many whites are killed and that nonwhite police are more likely to shoot nonwhite suspects. it's time to take the foot off the race puddle and place it on training and tactics so real reform can be made, so th. chicago has had 18 murders in 24 hours. the most violent in that city in

60 years. who do you think the victims were? so media peers, why don't we all had to a conference room and face the facts, literally? >> dana: [laughs] >> greg: so, dana, the media has a absolutely no idea how to police itself and it comes to a yet they demand, they believe that they can police the police. this really frightens me. >> dana: so, first of all, i want to know if you are going to have pastries in the room at the holiday inn express. if so, we want to make sure we are there. >> greg: i know that juan loves his sweets. >> dana: he does. i do think that we know that the media does follow stories like this. and especially if there is,

right? but i also think that there is another angle here, and that is the social media angle. and that is also, i think, fueling things. maybe even the traditional media doesn't understand or see. i think they are late to it. that's one of the things you heard from the protesters. we've been talking about this for years. it took a video for you to believe us. now come on the good news is side of things, the things you mentioned in terms of training and tactics, in the legislation that senator tim scott has been working on, and i think there's bipartisan support on it, they have things like dealing with accountability, training, transparency, de-escalation issues. those types of concrete things that perhaps, if we all focus on getting this legislation across the finish line, we would have done a good service for the country. >> greg: juan, it seems like whenever i turn on cnn, they are

trying to incite a race war. it's something that they are profit centered. it's very disturbing. >> juan: well, i hope there is no race were coming. i just want to respond to what you were saying, because i found it interesting, greg. to my mind, i think that what we have is, i said this to you before. i think the police unions, a lot of those contracts that the politicians sign onto are really the root cause here. they protect bad police officers. i don't think that is in anybody's interest. i think we should not have a situation where a guy leading on his neck had repeated complain complaints. not only back on the force, he's back on the street. we heard this from the minneapolis chief, et cetera. i think it's important to highlight, because i think people who have been ignored in

terms of prevideo complaints about abusive police behavior, if they see that in fact the media reflects the reality, they feel better and they feel like you know what? society is responding. the power structure will respond. that's how you get change. that's how you get reform. the best of media is when media, as they say, you know, afflicts the comfortable and comforts the afflicted. raised a ruckus, let people see what's going on, and let's have reform. >> greg: all right. i agree with the reform. if we were live on these videos without context of the facts, this will never end. if we only choose specific incidents and overlook others, like the tonies of the world, you're going to get a distorted view of a reality. >> that's what i was talking about earlier, is how well

well-equipped police officers are to deal with the mentally ill. just even from personal experience, it can be horrific. i want to single out the technology world. if you are going to change black lives in the united states, you've got to basically increase prosperity. more job security, more wealth. people who are not financially vulnerable in economic downturn, the economic rate triple from february to may. i'm going to call out apple and tim cook, because he's always very quick to quote dr. martin luther king jr. in response to george floyd's death. here's where the apple stats were and just a couple years ago in 2018. a percentage of america, 13% of the u.s. population is black. u.s. apple employees overall 9%.

in just technology jobs, 6%. leadership, 3%. look at google. they want to tell you what to do. how about going into high schools and hiring young black people and training them in areas where there aren't opportunities. at google, less than 4% of the workforce are black americans. leadership, under 3%. that is disgraceful. stop talking, start walking. >> greg: all right, jesse, last word. can the media change itself? can it police itself? >> jesse: greg, as an expert in human behavior and group psychology and as a seasoned veteran of the political commentary and media analysis, i would say that people just can't be persuaded with facts and logic and statistics. this country is run by feelings. i mean, you can look at the russia thing. people still think that trump is a russian spy, even after three

years of us pointing out that's false. you're not going to change people's minds with all your beautiful logic. it's got to be done through feeling. a majority of the country feels like this is a racist country and there's racist police brutalizing black america, well then those feelings become a reality. so, unfortunately you are just going to have to change people's perceptions and feelings because then we can figure out the facts later, because they are not listening to the facts. >> greg: all right, well that's a dark way to end this segment, jesse. coming up, the same media who backed nationwide protests, now on a quest to covid shame trump rally goers. ♪

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>> jesse: the liberal media not even trying to hide their antique trump bias right now. a pair of tweets posted about an hour apart. one mentions a packed crowd and the other warns about the damage of the president trump rally. trump hitting back claiming the media is trying to covid shame. all right, juan, do you think the media even sees that they are being biased or are they on the attack constantly that they don't even look in the rearview mirror? >> juan: i just see it a little bit differently, jesse. one, i think you are right, by the way. i think that not only the politicians and civil rights leaders should have been more aggressive. there is a risk because of the covid pandemic. people did wear masks. but it had to be an informed choice, in my opinion here they should have been more aggressive. but now we come to the trump

rally and what we hear from the officials and the director of public health is don't do it. delay it. he says it will lead to a heightened number of cases in the community and they are not ready to handle it. but even the trump campaign says they are demanding consent forms out of fear that that's just going to happen. he should be looking out for his supporters, not putting them in danger. >> jesse: well, you know how he's looking out for them, greg? he's actually screening on the forehead every single person that comes in. i don't think they did that during the civil unrest. >> greg: i often do that in my hot tub. this is an amazing contrast. you have a 1-1 comparison. one crowd versus another crowd. it shows you the bias. one crowd, it's acceptable. what is it? the media knows that it can slam one group and not get canceled,

right? that's the trump rally. but if you criticize the other group. i think it was black lives matter. you will be canceled. nobody in the media is going to touch that because they are operating on fear. nobody wants to lose their career. they never give you an accurate version of reality. if the media were truly fearless and published real data, imagine how many lives would have been saved, could have been saved if they delivered accurate news. >> jesse: very interesting hypothesis. that will never happen. dana perino, your thoughts. >> dana: a glaring double standard. i think that when you have a million people sign up to say that they would like to be able to attend that rally, it tells them something else. the enthusiasm for the trump campaign is very real. of course a million people can't go to the rally.

they can only hold about 19,000. think of all of that information that the campaign just reconfirmed. all of those voters, they are enthusiastic. they might donate. they will probably knock on doors, put a sign in their yard. bumper sticker. the media is missing that because they don't want to talk about it. >> jesse: yeah, a million people. i don't think sleepy joe is going to see anything close to that. speaker you know what? all the deplorable's clinging to their guns and their bibles. now they are accused of hacking up some virus and making people sick. you know what? they are use to it. bring on the shame police. they are going to be panning the crowds, pointing people out. they don't have masks on. and then they are going to be contact tracing all these people. you know what? trump supporter's, embrace it and love it. >> jesse: all right. we will be covering it on

saturday night. andrew cuomo threatening his state to another covid lockdown. ♪

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>> governor andrew cuomo threatening new york city and the hamptons with another locked on. the leader, furious. >> and we are not going to go back to that dark place because local government and it do its job or because some individuals exploited the situation. local government, do your job. >> well, restaurants, it would it be crowded the streets. >> greg: here's the deal. i wish you would have shown concern for the elderly. we would have more people alive. you just know that he hasn't been social distancing either. i would bet a pair of rings that he has been partying somewhere. >> that's no knock on you.

who is sick of the divorced dad i'm single and ready to mingle act? >> jesse: yeah, he looks like snooky. put some sunscreen on, my goodness. here's the thing. i was just in new jersey over the weekend. there is one section of town where restaurants are open and the other section right next door. what's the difference? the politicians saying hey guys, it's okay. i'm not going to say anything. do you really think the governor is going to come in with the state police and start arresting restaurant owners? of course not. same thing. he has no leverage. who is he going to send? state police into manhattan and start locking up the thousand small business owners were opening their doors? of course not. people are just going to do what they are going to do. >> and juan, somehow new york state with cuomo and

de blasio, we have had as a state the worst hel outcome ande worst economic outcome. way to go. >> juan: i'm just worried about, i think over the weekend, i think everybody got a little more nervous. i think we've seen it in the stock market, the way the reacted today. i think it's ten states over the weekend or last week, i should say, they have their highest single spike in a day. so i think people have a reason to worry, not to freak out, but you know, there's a reason that people are concerned. >> dana, i wonder if they are going to keep the lockdown in place to make sure that the economy here suffers and they get federal money. >> dana: oh gosh, that is very cynical but a probable thing. here's another thing i would say about new york, new jersey, all the states that have been going

through a lot, but especially new york city. it's been hit before and it will be a resilient city. it will come back. but it will be in spite of the government, not because of it. speak or write. and people here ought to stop snitching on each other too and sending messages to cuomo. >> greg: "one more thing" coming up next. ♪

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lydia moreno who were visiting their son's grave at a delaware veterans memorial cemetery when their lives were tragically cut short by a gunman, shot them dead. paul was a veteran of the u.s. army and lydia was a homemaker and a seamstress. the couple spent almost every morning visiting the grave of their son, anthony who died in 2017. according to the family, nobody really covered the story at all. it just got lost. so a gofundme page has been set up to raise money for the family. goals were exceeded with over 11,000 donated but you should go there. go find the gofundme. on the site, search delaware veterans cemetery shooting victim's family. it's the real deal. i talked to them. help them out. >> dana: absolutely. doing that at 6:01. i'm doing it. juan williams. >> juan: yeah, i think that's

a good cause. look up in the sky. it's a bird. it's a plane. no, it's a drone with books. what you are looking at is the dawn of a new library service, the wing company is about to start delivering library books by drones to 600 young people. the covid virus keeping library is closed, so virginia's montgomery county wanted to get new books into the hands of their students. kelly, a middle school librarian, decided that the book deliveries from the sky will get young people excited about their summer reading lists, and they don't have to return the books until they come back to school in the fall. this is just a great idea. >> dana: shoot, juan, that was going to be my "one more thing" tomorrow. i love it. >> dagen: i love animal charities. this sanctuary in the united kingdom came up with a great fund-raising method during the lockdown. sending a photo of the

do-it-yourself lockdown haircut and the sanctuary find a horse with a mane that matches your haircut. you should donate the coast of going on -- the cost of going and getting your haircut. it's a winner. that's not a bad look. >> dana: let's see if we can do this. i'll go next and then jesse. everyone has cabin fever. there was a dog in australia. he was writing with his owner, super cute. can't pass up an opportunity to show that jasper has plenty of time in the sidecar. he and peter got out over the weekend. all right, jesse, you're next. >> jesse: that was good. juan smoked you with the library books. that was in your lane. i can't believe you let it get away. here are some dumb criminals. i love dumb criminals. makes me feel better about myself. here's a guy who was casually walking his dog and he sees a packet on his neighbor's doorstep and then he is an idea.

i'm going to disguise myself by pulling my shirt over my head and returning and stealing said package. brilliant move. nobody will ever know. >> dana: that's it for us. "special report" is up next. hey, bret. >> hey, dana. the competition for "one more thing" is intense. good to see you guys. good evening. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, president trump says he will release his plan for police reform tomorrow, and that it will be about law and order, justice and safety. it comes as another white police officer is involved in the death of an african-american man. tensions are high tonight in atlanta where protesters burned a restaurant and blocked traffic on a major interstate highway over the weekend. we have fox team coverage. steve harrigan is in atlanta showing us what's happening along with the video of him the story behind friday shooting. jonathan hunt in seattle are protesters who taken