president. a lot of anticipation for this, ed. great to see you this morning. we'll see the president a short time from now. stay tuned. continuing coverage here on the fox news channel. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> there's breaking news. fox news alert. president trump is set to sign an executive order on police reform. the administration faces pressure to act amiss nationwide protesting over the death of george floyd. the white house called the reforms revolutionary. the goal is not to defund police but to promote best practices and help officers build trust within the community. the plan is expected to include tracking officers who have repeated complaints and deploying nonpolice experts on issues like mental health, homelessness and addiction. you're looking live in the rose garden as they begin to gather. you can see representative jim jordan there in the center.

mitch mcconnell again. they take their socially distant seats. joining the president, police officials, family members of those killed by police as well. chief white house correspondent, john roberts, is live there with the latest. john? >> we do know that the president spoke with people in law enforcement, faith leaders and the families of victims of police use of force informing this executive order. there will be representatives from each of those groups who are there in the rose garden for the official unveiling and signing of this executive order. the white house cannot tell who is there because they don't know who have shown up. we'll have the information soon. the president's executive order on reforming policing tracks along three lines. here's what the president said yesterday. >> it's about law and order and

about justice also. it's about safety. you'll see some things that a lot of people didn't think would happen. we'll get them done. >> so here's the three areas that attracts along credentialling in certification standards to best practices on the use of force. there will be federal incentives in order for police law enforsment agencies to adopt the best practices. second to that will be information sharing. tracking people with excessive use of force complaints. one bad cop can't leave one agency and join another one. the third one, co-responder programs where experts in mental health, homelessness and addiction and other social services will join police and accompany them on certain calls. federal incentives for law enforcement agencies to adopt those practices. the president is considering other ideas that will be

including in legislation coming out of the senate. dhs secretary chad wolf says the initial goal is to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the communities that they serve. listen here. >> we have to give law enforcement the resources, the leadingship, the training that they need to do the job to protect american communities, this is not about defunding police. this is about giving them the tools and resources that they need to change their culture. >> so we have three tracks going on right now, harris. the executive order the president will sign and within the next hour, then legislation that is already making its way through the house. tomorrow we're expecting south carolina senator tim scott to unveil his proposals in the senate. the president believes given all three things put together, there will be comprehensive efforts coming out of washington to reform policing across the country. as always, we'll see. >> all right. we have william barr walking out of frame there. you can see in the center is

mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader. we have people taking their seats rights now. john roberts, thanks. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here's melissa francis and emily compagno and jessica tarlov, a fox news contributor. joining us today, former nypd officer, dan bongino also part of our fox news family as a contributor. i'm going to start with you, dan. a.g. barr coming in. we're moments away from hearing the president. we heard from john roberts. set us up with the three buckets, credentialling, info sharing, best practices and the co-responders. your time line thoughts. >> the co-responders is important. there's some situations where polices are expected to act like social workers and psychologists. you stop in the new york city

subway. when i was an nypd police officers, you see someone homeless that has a mental health issue. police officers, it would be helpful to have a social worker there to co-respond. i don't see a down side to that. having said that, there's some scenarios where they call them a violent edp, emotionally disturbed person. those will remain law enforcement and don't want to put social workers in danger. the database, a good idea. a lot of law enforcement concerns about privacy, harris. you don't want people get put in this database and having their names leaked to the press if they had some use of force incident that was adjudicated. the president's team is very open to law enforcement input. here's the problem. they didn't want to do a federal law enforcement use of force. a quick example. when office secret service agent, you shake the president's hand too often and you won't let go. we had a thumb restraint to do

to get you to let go. cause you pain. it's not the same thing in the police department. it's an example, a small one but why federal standards don't work. >> a good point. when i interviewed the president last week, he said he was looking for ways to shore up the conversations that are going on across the nation at local levels and the senate and house right now. you can see moments ago, senator tim scott of south carolina. you know, emily, as i come to you, we're getting information about senator tim scott's police reform legislation that he will put forth to the right, mark meadows talking with senator mitch mcconnell. so emily, i want your thoughts on this. maybe you can explain what it means. for a source familiar with the police reform proposal. senator scott tomorrow will not be putting in qualified immunity. it will not be part of his proposal. also not part is this weighing

in on desertification process for police officers who knowingly violate the law. they're talking about what. what does that mean if those things are not in there? >> first blush, what it means, he's more interested in getting the reform passed than getting everything that people want in there included in the initial run. qualified immunity is a really hot topic. remember, for viewers, there's other avenues at this point to hold police officers accountable. so it's not the only measure. but it's a hot topic in that there's obviously a huge measure of resistance to that because it exists for a reason and protects a lot of people in public service capacities. if i may put in my two cents on that, the co-responding notion. i'm a fan of this. it's in stark contrast to for example, in san francisco, the police made a call they won't rerespond to certain nonviolent calls. my issue is the

preclassification. a thin line between a neighbor dispute and a domestic violence. as we progress to actual reform and accountability and reforming police culture for the purpose of "to rebuild trust", there needs to be a synthesis before you cult the leash. especially more urban environments, it's important to have law enforcement involved and not make an initial classification that could lead to unfortunate dire results. >> before i move on from you, emily, a quick one line about qualified immunity. we know what it is. explain it to us and what happens if it's not there and what happens if it is. >> qualified immunity is a very high bar to cross in which a civilian cannot sue a member, a

police officer, let's say, in this case, for certain use of force. because they are acting under the color of their uniform and under the color of law. so it's essentially you have to prove at the outset an incredibly high bar for you to sue in the court. we see it internationally, too. we see it in all forms. like the cross-border shooting. there's no avenue for a civilian to bring suit in court so it ensures a level of protection for these officers at the outset. that is the issue. civilians say we want to sue. those in uniform say we're acting under the color of uniform. we can't be partially liable in situations as dan pointed out, that you're making that call based on training. >> jessica, what do you want to hear from the president today? >> i'd like to hear from the

president that he is absolutely dedicated to ensuring that we don't have murders like with george floyd. we have the rashard brooks situation that came up. he's committed to working with congress and senate to ensure the full range of reforms are passed. the things that dan and emily have gone over are a step in the right direction. he's relying on congress to get some of the things that people want like a ban on choke holds, no-knock warrants, the qualified immunity issue will come up as emily laid out there. that will be something that democrats will absolutely demand in their bills. there's a number of bills that will be coming out of congress. ayanna presley has one of the best. and the president understands how important this moment is, addresses the protests and talks about the protesters and their commitment to making meaningful

change and combatting systemic racism in this country. i want to hear a different tone than i did a couple weeks ago when he spoke and went into lafayette square and tear gas used on protesters. the president has to be more understanding of the other side of this issue. >> melissa, same question. what do you think the president needs to say and who do you think particularly are his audiences? i say plural, people in different lanes watching. >> you know, it's important to bring people back together and try to get on the same page in as much as, you know, we all want to see improvement in this situation. nobody thinks that what happened to george floyd is remotely acceptable. i do wonder how much you can fix this problem at a federal level. it's great to give it a shot. what this is really about is accountability. you only get that at a local

level. i think what would work is if you had a regional commander in charge of five or eight officers. he was in charge or she was in charge of those people. if they did something, not only did that officer lose his job but that person that was responsible for that team was also fired as well. i think that you can only keep your eye on so many people at once. we see this even in corporate management when you have way too many people who you're responsible for. you can't make sure that they're all behaving properly. in a situation like this where how these officers behave is life or death for everyone, for themselves, for their partners, for the communities that they police. if we want to have real serious accountability, it has to be at a very, very local and approximate level and go up from there. so when you talk about holding them financially responsible, i don't know that that necessarily does it as much as saying, you know what? if an officer does something

like happened in this situation with george floyd, not only is he or she fired but also the person that was responsible for training and monitoring that individual officer. i think that way we would get more accountability and more hands-on making sure that everybody is doing the right thing and on the right page. >> you know, that's such an interesting way to look at it just in terms of holding those accountable. with derek chauvin, there was a long list there. so that might involve more than a handful of people that had a part in monitoring him, keeping track of the complaints and so on and so forth. might be a bigger job at minneapolis p.d. so dan, i couple to you on this issue. you worked local and federal. how hard is it for accountability at that local level? you have a lot of eyeballs on a situation. i can't imagine that chauvin didn't get anybody that talked

with him. how do you know you have it with somebody that you have to keep an eye on on the force? >> on that question, every police officer watching this show right now, we have a lot of them, everyone know who the bad seeds are. they know. always been a supporter of our men and women in blue. when you get the bad seed, it's the policety of the police unions and benevolence associations to say we have to get rid of these people. you can't have your eyes on them all day. they know who they are. that's where we have to do better or a lot of it better in many cases, a lot of the police officers know that. this is a moment that you'll see that change in the future. >> let me ask you this -- >> if i can respond to that for a second. >> hold on a second. hold on. when you say the police unions and the benevolent groups, what sorts of conversations are going on? you've been in there in the nypd. they've had problems. look at eric garner and what has and has not changed since then.

>> the garner scenario is different. he was not handcuffed. that is different from chauvin. you're free -- i wouldn't lump temperature two in together. you asked me what has changed. decades ago in policing, yes, i'm not going to spin wheels. there was a back-to-blue no matter what kind of mentality. when i got on that starting to change, the damage this officer chauvin has done to policing all over the country is an earthquake level seismic moment where rank and file officers are i've had enough of, this i won't be responsible for what this guy did when the handcuffs were on. this is that moment that the unions and the benevolent association says guys, we can't have this anymore. this is unacceptable. >> melissa? >> harris, my point is if everybody knows who the bad apples are, nobody would

volunteer to be responsible for him. it would be a risk to their job. >> i'm going to step in right now as we see the president of the united states walking his way to the lectern. this is the rose garden. the moment that he will talk about that executive order that he will sign on safe policing for safe communities. it's been a rough few weeks for america. painful, emotional. now the president of the united states will talk about he reforms he would like to see. let's watch together. >> thanks very much, please. thank you all for being here as we take historic action to deliver a future of safety and security for americans of every race, religion, color and creed. we're joined by law enforcement professionals, community leaders. though we may all come from different places and different background, we're united by our

desire to ensure peace and dignity and quality for all americans. i have just concluded a meeting with incredible families that have been through so much. the families of ahmaud arbery, bothan jean, antoine rose, jamel roberson, adianna jefferson, michael dean, darius tarbor, cameron lamb, everett palmer. these are incredible people. incredible people. it's so sad. many of these families lost their loved ones in deadly interaction with police. to all of the hurting families, i want you to know that all

americans mourn by your side. your loved ones will not have died in vain. we're one nation, we grieve together and we heal together. i can never imagine your pain or the depth of your anguish. i can promise to fight for justice for all of our people. and i gave a commitment to all of those families today with senator tim scott, attorney general bill barr. we are going to pursue what we said we will be pursuing and we will be pursuing it strongly, tim. right? i want to recognize attorney general bill barr who has spent so much time on this and other matters like this. bill, thanks very much for being here, a great job you're doing.

[applause] >> along with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, tim scott, they'll work on a senate bill that can go hand and hand with this and representatives kelly armstrong, louis gohmert, jim jordan, pete stauber and thanks to florida attorney general, ashley moody. the president of the fraternal order of police, pat yost, stephen casstephens. many will be joining me at the signing. today is about pursuing common sense and fighting for a cause like we seldom get the chance to fight for. we have to find common ground. i strongly oppose the radical and dangerous efforts to defend,

dismantle and dissolve our police departments, especially now when we achieved the lower recorded crime rates in american history. americans know the truth. without police, there's chaos. without law, there's anarchy. americans believe we must support the brave men and women in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. americans believe we must improve accountability, increase transparency and invest more resources in police training, recruiting and community engagement. reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals. they're not mutually exclusive. they work together. they all work together.

that is why today i'm signing an executive order and encouraging police departments nationwide to adopt the highest professional standards to serve their communities. these standards will be as high and as strong as there is on earth. the vast majority of police officers are self--less courageous public servants. they're great men and women. when others run away from danger, police run into harm's way often putting their lives at stake to protect someone that they don't know or never even met. great danger. police officers run straight toward this incredible harm. take the world trade center. they ran straight into the twin towers of 9-11.

many of them never returned. never returned. vast numbers of new york's finest. never returned. last year i presented the medal of valor to six heroic police officers that ended a murder's rampage. so professionally, in dayton, ohio. hundreds of people would have been killed surely without them. we ask our police to put on the uniform and risk their lives for us every day. the least we deserve and the least we can do. because they deserve it so much. have to get our gratitude and we have to give them great respect for what they do, for the job is one of the most dangerous jobs on earth. one of the most difficult jobs on earth. last year alone, 89 law

enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty. many recent days, two members of law enforcement were killed amid riots and looting and hundreds of police officers were injured. just recently. one officer was shot in the head and is now laying in a hospital almost totally paralyzed. despite our very good record on crime, law and order must be further restored nationwide and your federal government is ready, willing and able to help as we did in minneapolis after it got out of control for four days. sent in representatives commonly known as the national guard and it was all put down very quickly. we're willing to help. we're willing to help in seattle. we're willing to help anywhere you want. we'll be there very quickly.

it won't take long. there will be no more looting or arson. the penalty will be very grave for those that get caught. violence and destruction will not be tolerated. we cannot do that. the looters have no cause that they're fighting for. just trouble. every day police officers make great sacrifices to keep our communities secure and safe. in 2018, our police arrested nearly 12,000 people for murder. 25,000 people for rape and nearly 1.5 million for assault. very dangerous criminals. in many cases, local law enforcement is underfunded, understaffed and undersupported. 47% of all murders in chicago

and 68% of all murders in baltimore went without arrests last year. americans want law and order and demand law and order. they may not say it, they may not be talking about it, but that's what they want. some of them don't know that that's what they want but that's what they want. they understand that when you remove the police, you hurt those that have the least the most. nobody needs a strong trustworthy police force more than those that live in distressed area and more is opposed to the small number of bad police officers and you have them. they're very tiny. i use the word "tiny." a very percentage but you have them. but nobody wants to get rid of them more than the overwhelming number of really good and great

police officers. some of them are standing with me and with me in the audience today. i appreciate you being here. plus. [applause] >> what is needed now is not more stoking of fear and division. we need to bring law enforcement and communities closer together, not to drive them apart. under the executive order i'm signing today, we will prioritize grants from the department of justice to police departments that certify that they meet high standards and in some cases the highest standard. that's where they do the best, on the use of force and deescalation training. for example, many believe that proper training might have prevented the tragic deaths of antoine rose and botham jean.

as part of this new credentialling process, choke holds will be banned except if an officers life is at risk. i will say we've dealt with all of the various departments and everybody said it's time. we have to do it. additionally we're looking at new advanced and powerful less lethal weapons to help prevent deadly interactions. new devices are being developed all the time and we're looking at the best of them. cost is no object. no object. under this executive order, departments will also need a share of information about credible abuses so that officers with significant issues do not simply move from one police department to the next. it's a problem. the heads of our police departments said whatever you can do about that, please let us

know. we're letting you know. we're doing a lot about it. in addition, my order will direct federal funding to support officers dealing with homeless individuals and those with mental illness and substance abuse problems. we will provide more resources for co-responders like social workers that can help officers manage these encounters. this is what they have studied and work on all of their lives. they understand how to do it. we're going to get the best of them put in our police departments and working with our police. we will have reform without undermining our great law enforcement officers. president obama and vice president biden never even tried to fix this during their eight-year period. the reason they didn't try is because they had no idea how to do it.

it is a complex situation. beyond the steps we're taking today, i am committed to working with congress on additional measures. congress has started already and they'll be having bills coming out of the senate and possibly out of the house. hopefully they'll get together and come up with a solution that goes even beyond what we're signing today. this is a big, big step. a step that hasn't been taken before. in order to make real progress on public safety, we have to break old patterns of failure. many of the same politicians now presenting themselves as the solution, the same ones that have failed for decades on schools, jobs, justice and crime. they're all often unfortunately the same politicians running the

cities and states where help is most needed. it's an attitude. it's not working. today's action is a big part of the solution to restoring, renewing and rebuilding our communities. for the last 3 1/2 years, my administration has been focused on creating opportunity, fighting for equal justice and truly delivering results. nobody has ever delivered results like we have delivered. nobody has come close. [applause] we worked with great people too get this done. we enacted criminal justice reform. we got it done and got it done powerfully. nobody could do it.

people appreciated it. but it's something that with all the work and all the talk for so many years, criminal justice reform, nobody else could get done. we secured permanent and records funding for hbcus. historically black colleges and universities. numbers that they never thought were possible and long-term financing because they would come back to the white house after my third year, i said, why are you here again? great people. 42 people. the heads of black colleges and universities. great people. they do such an incredible job. i'd see them after the third year. i'd say why are you doing this? we need money again. don't we set it so you have a ten-year program? a five-year program? no, sir. for years and years we've had to come back every year.

i said the only bad thing about what i'm going to do, i'm going to give you long-term financing and up the amount but i won't get to see you anymore. that's the bad part. you can focus on education now instead of worrying about dealing with us in washington. so we did that for the historically black colleges and universities. very proud of it. they're incredible people. got to know a lot of the heads of those colleges. they do an unbelievable job and don't get the notoriety that they should have. we expanded affordable options for better healthcare. we created opportunity zones with senator tim scott. brought it to me. we didn't know if we could guess it past him. but we got it passed. one of the great things in this administration. tens of thousands of jobs. billions and billions of dollars being brought into neighborhoods

that would never ever be taken care of monetarily. areas that didn't have ten cents put in them for years and decades. now people are investing, thriving and the jobs have come back. we achieved the lowest black hispanic and asian unemployment rates in american history. we will to it again. we'll do it again. we're fighting for school choice, which really is the civil rights of all time in this country, frankly. school choice is the civil rights statement of the year of the decade and probably beyond. all children have to have access to quality education. a child's zip code in america shouldn't determine their future. that's what was happening. we're very strong on school choice. i hope everybody remembers that. it's happening. it's already happened but it's

happening. we have tremendous opposition from people that know that they shouldn't be opposing it. school choice. all children deserve equal opportunity because we are all made equal by god. so true. a great jobs market and thriving economy is probably the best thing that we can do to help the black, hispanic, asian communities. we saw that just recently prior to the virus that came in from china, just a few months ago, what a horrible thing it was all over the world. 188 countries now. i just want to say we've done incredibly well. we're doing well. things are happening that nobody can even believe. our country is opening up and it's opening up rapidly. we had the best unemployment and employment.

we had the best unemployment and employment numbers. think of that in the history of our country. we're up to almost 160 million people working. there was never anything even close. that's for almost every group including black, hispanic, asian, women, young people, old people, young people without a high school diploma. every group. everybody was thrilled. everybody had just about high-paying jobs. our country was never in a better position and we were planning on massive growth. it was happening. it was already there. including big salary increases, which were already taking place. big, big increases. record increases. nobody has seen anything like it. then we got hit by the virus. along with the rest of the world

and now i'm building it up again. here we go again. i'm building it up again. it's moving fast. it will be even better than before. we also learned, it will be better than before. jobs are rapidly coming back. retail sales that we just announced two hours ago, just a little while ago, they're up a staggering 17.7%. [applause] amazing. the projection was anywhere from 6 to 8%. we're up 17.7%. what does that mean? the stock market went through the roof. these good numbers, they drove it up to a level that were almost at the same level, hard to believe. we're getting close to the level we were before the pandemic and before all of the things that you've seen happen happened.

it's a great thing. ultimately it's about jobs, it's about -- the government can never do anything like a great job for a person where they look forward to getting up in the morning and going to work and getting a much bigger check than they could ever get otherwise. today and over the last 60 days, we've had one of the biggest stock market increases in the history of the stock markets. and two weeks ago, the 50-day increase was the single biggest. unless my formula is tampered with, we will soon be in a stronger position than we were before the plague came in from china. when the numbers reached the point that i know they will, there will again be a great unity and a great spirit in our country. people will have their job back that they might have lost. they'll be making even more

money than they did before. we have some brilliant people working with me. put it together. we did it once and we're very easily doing it again. way ahead of schedule. you'll see that. you'll see the third quarter numbers. they'll be very good. you'll see fourth quarter will be really good and next year one of the best economic years this country has ever had. [applause] it's all happening very quickly. way ahead of schedule. you'll see that. on top of that, before the end of the year, i predict we will have a very successful vaccine, therapeutic and cure. we're making tremendous progress. ideal with these incredible scientists, doctors, very closely. i have great respect for their minds. they have come up with things.

they've come up with many other cures and therapeutics over the years. these are the best, the smartest, the most brilliant anywhere. they have come up with the aids vaccine. they have come up -- or the aids -- you know, there's various things and various companies involved. the therapeutic for aids. aids was a death sentence. now people will live a life with a pill. it's an incredible thing. the ebola vaccine and others. these are the people that have done it. these are the people that have been around it. they're all competing. it's an incredible thing. all of these brilliant firms, labs, companies are competing. i'll tell you, we're very far advanced. we already started tests and trials. so i think we're going to have a very, very good answer to that

very, very soon. i always say, even without it, it goes away. but if we had the vaccine, and we will, if we had therapeutic or cure, one thing blends in to the other, it will be a fantastic day. i think it will happen and happen very soon. americans can achieve anything when we work together as one national family. to go forward, we must seek cooperation, not confrontation. we must build upon our heritage, not tear it down. we must cherish the principles of america's founding as we strive to deliver safe, beautiful, elegant justice and liberty for all. i'd like now to invite our great friends because they are, great friends from law enforcement,

the officers representing their groups as i sign a very important executive order. we're asking mitch and tim and all of the people that are here from congress to go back and see if they can get something done. i see louis, jim, jim jordan. all here. a lot of our representatives from congress and the senate. if they can go back and add to what we're signing today, it will be a big moment. this is a tremendous step. this is a step that could have been taken years ago. people chose not to do that. that was in my opinion a big mistake. could have solved a lot of the problems that we have now. so if i could, law enforcement, come forward. please come up. we've had the endorsement of the federal law enforcement officer's association. the fraternal order of police,

international association of chiefs of police. international union of police associations. major county sheriffs of america association, national association of police organizations, national district attorneys association, national sheriff's association, sergeant benevolent association and many others. they've worked on this with me and my team and have been fantastic. i want to thank my team. what a team it is. and we have taken very much into mind what they are saying because these are the people that keep us safe. they've done an incredible job. thank you all very much. thank you. [applause]

[applause] >> harris: at a time when our nation is struggling to find its way forward after so much protesting and the death of black men at the hands of some police officers and the stride and struggle that they push forth, the president of the united states making history with the safe policing executive

order ahead of congress doing any legislation. they're working on it. they haven't passed anything. the president jumps ahead with these four messages. we're a nation, we grew together, we heal together. i gave my commitment to families hurting today with attorney general barr and senator tim scott of south carolina. he's the only african american in the senate. he said he's signing the executive order to adopt the highest standards of policing. another message, he bans choke holds. the president at a federal level banning choke holds unless and officer's life is at risk. when i sat down with him last week in dallas, texas, he mentioned that. he said, you know, if it's a one-on-one fight and a person's life is at jeopardy here, a choke hold is not something that he would consider should be banned. but overall, he's in favor of taking them away. given every other circumstance.

he says then toggling to the community, he's doing this on policing and what he wants to do and continue to do with the economy will work to bring us back from the brink of the coronavirus pandemic. he spent quite a few minutes on that and talked about how communities of color and those hardest hit by covid-19. he said "unless my formula is tampered with, we will be in better position than the economy than before the coronavirus pandemic." the president touching on other issues. school choice particularly for black, brown, asian communities he said the retail sales today giving us buoyancy. 17.7%. rise and retail. we're on the way back. he's working on it. the big news today, the executive order on adopting the highest standards of policing. so the president says and we will follow this news.

thanks for our fox broadcast stations. we'll let you go. talk a pause. we'll see you on fox news. i'm harris faulkner in new york. >> harris: all right. we're back here on "outnumbered." i want to bring back our virtual couch. dan bongino. your reaction to the president of the united states just now. >> a couple of things. i was glad he didn't ban what is known as a choke hold. a choke hold actually encompasses a number of different things tactically. i'd refer to them as neck restraints. a choke hold would be a wind pipe restraint, which is very dangerous. when you restrain someone's wind pipe, your collapsing their air supply. you could kill them. neck restraints are different.

i don't know if you notice, in the atlanta video where you see them engaged in this fight is with mr. brooks, at one point, if you watch the video closely, you'll see one of the officers appears to go for a neck restraint and doesn't. i don't know why he didn't do that. having said that if he would have got a carotid restrained, he would have passed out and woke up. we have to be talking about things that we don't understand. a choke hold is different than a carotid. if only other thing after that is a gun. >> harris: very interesting. dan, i appreciate you breaking down what happened in the wendy's parking lot with rayshard brooks. the training is again what you're pointing to. that is fascinating to me.

jessica, before we went to the president, you had some things you wanted to hear from him. i understand tone and tenor. what did you hear? >> i was pleased to hear there was a ban on choke holds. dan is more of an expert on this than i am. i'm am a little concerned about unless the officer's life is at risk. that is a big loop hole. we'll have to see how that is delineated. i pleased he started off reading the names of police violence. names like botham jean. that was just last year. feels like decades ago. it turned into a re-election speech too quickly. we were supposed to talk about police reform.

when the president talks about the economy or school choice is a civil rights issue of our time. black americans being murdered by white police officers is more serious and the president should have kept his focus there. you can hear when he's going off script. he uses the same kind of five or six words over and over again. "so true", "biggest on earth." i wish he stuck to the script there. >> harris: when i heard the presidenting to toll the economy, may i heard it differently like a knitting together black communities had been vulnerable and as jessica points out, he does have a lot to say about that issue. >> i think it's hard for him to ignore positive news. when you are giving an address to the nation and you have so many people tuned in, we did have a huge retail sales number

this morning, which says that america is coming back. you know, it's very -- he's criticized for cheerleading when he says something positive. you know, it's as if he really can't win on that front. i would ask emily, you know, in terms of trying to put all of these things into effect at a federal level, how realistic is that? if you lay down federal guidelines, communities still have the opportunity to do whatever it is that they see fit, don't they? i'm confused about the idea. it's important to send a message from the top but where can you effect change? >> i appreciate that introduction, melissa. he mentioned federal incentives. you're right. it's important to acknowledge that this is a really positive acknowledgement by the federal government that there needs to be change and a widespread one

at that. one that addresses culture, one that addresses trust. one that isn't just about changing legislation and love. it's important equally, however, for people to understand that change needs to happen at the local and state level. how does federal policy impact your local and state policies and procedures? especially in the sanctuary cities and states where they refuse to cooperate with federal law enforcement? so it's important to understand that overarching structure and this is an excellent message, of course. but that change fundamentally happens at the local level and especially because we're talking about community elevation. the relationship between law enforcement and communities and nobody knows those better than those local leaderships, the local law enforcement and those community members that are most impacted and as we've been touching on, are those vulnerable populations, the black communities, those that are socioeconomic poor and all

the like. you're right, this is a good step in the right direction. in terms of the details and the applications that needs to happen with the boots on ground. >> you know, dan, as we look at -- >> i'm sorry? >> dan, i was looking for your response too that. harris was as well. >> everything has to happen with change and boots on the ground. this is an important first step. i'll tell you why. you have to codify some use of force guidelines now. what the president didn't do and is critical. sometimes what you don't do is important. don't confuse doing something with something good all the time. what he didn't say, hear are the federal guidelines for use of force. you do it or we're going to withhold federal funds. what he did was he said listen,

we're going to need you to put down best practices and put down on paper what those use of force guidelines will be. emily is right. that is a local issue. as i said to you before, my example with the nypd. use of force are different based on your job requirement. not for everyone. maybe the lapd and nypd may have different ones. having said this, regarding the use of force guidelines that are local. have them codified and on paper. they go both ways. they only protect the public and the officer. if the officer engages in use of force. nobody wants to see anybody hurt or killed. god forbid a scenario results in that like with mr. brooks and the guidelines were followed, it makes it difficult for the police officer to then be arrested or prosecuted for doing his job if he did the right thing according to the training. it's a two-way street. >> harris: you know, emily, i'm

curious to know how the law now, which is your end as an attorney and attorney general bill barr who the president that i'm checked, is in concert with the things that dan bongino is talking about on the law enforsment and community service part of it. how does that fit with the changes that the president would like to see? >> to answer that, you have to look back. we know there's a history of police departments that have taken upon themselves to do their own reform, right? that generally happens with the adoptions of measures proposed by the doj. so essentially, it's an unfortunate pattern. in the positive light, the doj has instigated recommendations with community leaders, certain reforms and policies that departments have adopted. so there's a pattern and history

of adopting doj-suggested reform. we saw that in los angeles, pittsburgh, philadelphia, new york even. so i think this is almost sort of the macroapplication of that. dan is right that by codifying things, provides the structure however a level of protection for the law enforcement officers that said this was the directive that was operating under, which goes to many i ongoing point that i've been making as we had this conversation. if there is change and reform that we want to be reflected in culture and in our society, that it needs to have that application in the law. because otherwise, there's no structure to support it. really interesting point. >> harris: also the president had no more looting or arson. penalty for those will be grave. violence and destruction will not be tolerated. interesting to see the answer back or what protesters heard

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>> harris: big news again this hour. we break it down. moments ago, president trump signed an executive order on police reform with protests still raging over the death of george floyd. you're watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. president trump defended the police and restated his call for law and order. then announced reforms addressing choke holds, a national database to track officers with multiple complaints against them along with federal incentives for departments that maintain high standards for the use of force. watch the president. >> standards will be as high and as strong as there is on earth. the vast