brought. letting worries fees back, optimistic things will pick up including for those restaurants. i guess some bullish food for thought. see what i did there? food for thought. here comes "the five." ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody. i am jesse watters with juan williams, dana perino, greg gutfeld and dagen mcdowell. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." president trump leading the way on police reform while defending cops and promising to restore law and order. trump signing an executive order after weeks of protests. it bans choke hold unless an officer's life is in danger. it also calls for more police training and creates a database to track cops with complaints against them. here is the president earlier. >> these standards will be as

high and as strong as there is on earth. the vast majority of police officers are selfless and courageous public servants. choke hold will be banned except if an officer's life is at risk. we will have reform without undermining our many great and externally talented law enforcement officers. >> jesse: tromped slamming the far left school to defund police, warning that getting rid of cops would be catastrophic. >> i strongly oppose the radical and dangerous efforts to dissolve our police departments especially now when we've achieved the lowest recorded crime rates in the recent history. americans know the truth. without bullies, there is chaos. without law, there is anarchy and without safety, there is catastrophe. >> jesse: dana, the left is

never going to be satisfied with the with the president's on th this. but if there's going to be reform, you get the senate and the house involved, so where do we go from here? >> dana: i think that there's a chance that you could get something done, but it's a small chance and so i think that's why the president took the opportunity to do an executive order. we all know executive orders are not as strong as legislation, so you have senator tim scott appointed by mitch mcconnell to lead this effort for the republicans in the senate. when i thought was pretty disappointing, jesse, is that the senator from hawaii was suggesting that tim scott is not good enough on this issue. basically was suggesting he wasn't the best person to deal with it. tim scott was just plucked out of obscurity to start working on this. he's actually been working on these pieces of legislation for a long time and because timing is everything in politics, this is the perfect time so i think

it's pretty unfortunate that some senate democrats are already dismissing an issue from a black republican senator of which they always point out he's the one black republican senator. well, the democrats have two. up in michigan, john james is the republican senate candidate, and jerry -- gary peters who is the incumbent running against him, the white democrats, all the democrats are helping support the white candidate versus a black candidate in michigan. so that kind of political stuff is going to happen between now and then. but the small chance that the president, in order to get some legislation done, it would be possible if you listen to nancy pelosi, she sounds like she's willing to do something and sign a deal. the problem will be, will the far left allow that to happen? i think the president could convene a meeting and try to get

everybody in the same room and put the speaker on the spot to see if she's willing to come to the table and help out, reach a hand across the aisle or elbow bump, whatever it is that we have to do. that would be a way to try to get something done that would be stronger than the executive order. >> jesse: that's interesting. i guess there's a lot more pressure from the left, dagen, on this issue and you know nancy is probably not going to get 100%, not 80% but maybe she gets 30% to 40%. is he going to be good enough politically in an election year? >> dagen: it's hard to believe that the democrats would give president trump any sort of win in an election year despite the fact that it would help all americans. right now president trump was standing up there trying to reassure black americans that things will change in policing, things will change in this country and at the same time

reassure all americans that they will still be safe and protected and at the same time reach out to police departments to ensure that the entire nation is on the same page heading in the same direction. but with many democrats, as we always see, regardless of what the president says, they have two things that they will go to. they will scream "too much, overreach, dictator." or too little, too wimpy, weakling and then following up with russia, russia, russia. democrats are falling into the camp of "he's not doing enough." these are some things that were proposed by president obama five years ago. >> jesse: juan, what do you think about the choke hold situation. they were supposed to be banned but they carve out an exemption if it's a life-and-death struggle and the guys reaching for your gun. you're trying to gain leverage. i know that you're an athletic

guy. you understand what it's like to be grappling with people. how do you see that choke hold deal? >> juan: first thing is to reiterate something we heard earlier, i think dana said it, an executive order is not a law. executive orders are easily overturned, jesse. in this case you have an executive order that really what it says is if the officer decides he wants to use her choke hold, he can use it and then leaders that he felt his life was at risk. to me, this rings very hollow. i just think that if the president was serious about this, he would be working with tim scott. he'd be working with nancy pelosi to get something into law, something that is hard and fast. what we have not seen is that the republicans, and here i think tim scott is working hard at it, but he can't get mitch mcconnell to agree to act on it now.

mechanical turk, connell wants to push it until after the fourth of july. tim scott wants to do something. i think everybody in the country wants the president to say to mitch mcconnell, let's get it done. it's important for america. the second thing i would say, i would love him to give a speech about these unions, especially think too often they are protecting back cops and it's really at the root of the problem. epping new york, you guys had a situation just yesterday were you had the police union tweeting out about workers at shake shack are poisoning cops and then it turns out no such thing happened according to the new york police department. they want to demonize everyone but the police. it's hurting their own cause. we could use a president who would really speak directly to the problem.

>> jesse: all right, greg, i feel like you might disagree with that. i'll give you the last word. >> greg: we have to define what the problem is. there's 50 million police encounters a year. out of that there are 50 deaths of unarmed people. some are black. more are white. that is an error rate of one per million. that's an error rate of .0001%. that's three times lower than what we accept and machine processing. it's a one and a million chance and we are trying to bring that onone and a million chance to zo in a million. that's possible with reform, to bring it from one in a million to zero in a million which is by chance, and error, incompetence, resistance, bad cop. it goes right back up to one and a million. it's going to be a very difficult thing because it is a

rare mistake that cost lives. one in a million. the variables are a combination of three: bad policies like no knock. bad training and tactics. combine those and you get one and a million tragedies. so i have a solution to end the society of people and it will eradicate all perceptions and i mean perceptions of racism in policing. not the realities but the perception. it's a great idea but it's also a terrible idea but i don't care because i will take the terrible idea over the disfiguratio disif our society. high collared officer recusal. when there's a black suspect, all white officers recuse themselves may call in the nearest black officer who responds and handles the case. likewise when there's a white suspect, black officers were

accused and a white officer is called in and that's not about race. it's because the black officer will be likely in demand for other issues going on in other communities. what does that do? this is a total discriminating idea but it removes rays from the equation, leaving only tactics and training. you can only look at tactics and training. a white cop and white suspect, black cop and black suspect. the downside for all of this is a big black officers will be working in communities where there will be higher crime rates and there will be a higher demand for black officers which means maybe they should be paid more. that's also discriminating, correct, and that's racist. i have to say i will take discrimination when black cops are paid more in certain communities if it saves our society and gets rid of this racial narrative. it's the only solution for this. it's a bad solution but you

can't let perfect be the enemy of the good which i think is the phrase i coined just now. >> jesse: okay. stick around for "the five." many more bad ideas. i will throw some out there as well. coming up next, the radical left is telling joe biden to back up calls to defund the police or face the consequences. president trump's latest attack on sleepy joe.

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♪ >> juan: joe biden facing pressure from the left over his refusal to back the defund the police movement. more than 50 groups signing a letter urging biden to take a

more aggressive stance on police reform. the groups also saying that if biden doesn't do it, he could risk losing black voters in november. president trump going after the former vp over this very issue. >> president obama and vice president biden never even tried to fix this. the reason they didn't try is because they had no idea how to do it, and it is a complex situation. >> juan: jesse, i think it's obviously biden or trump and there are people in the black community who want biden to do more. why do you think more black people aren't supporting trump? >> jesse: i think we will see in november what the votes tally up to. joe biden is going to do whatever his advisors tell him to do. joe biden doesn't have any original ideas. he never has. he never will.

the one time he got got caught out talking about police reform without any notice that he was handed, he said you know what they should do, cops should just shoot suspects in the legs instead. those are the kind of great ideas that biden has when he's left to think independently. at this point, joe biden is like a car they can't go over 60 miles an hour because when it does, the wheels fall off. he's lucky right now because you have the caution flag up so everybody's kind of keeping it under 65 but the minute that fully goes off, everybody, his speed goes up and biden collapses. at this point he is literally like the luckiest politician of all time. barack obama picked him out of nowhere to be his vp for two years. then a pandemic hits so he gets to stay safely in the basement and not be embarrassed by small crowds. then a recession happens to his

opponent in an election year and then there's racial riots think it's his base all ginned up and he's raising a ton of money. the luck can't continue for that much longer. sooner or later, things are going to get normal, and joe biden is going to have to face the music. >> juan: greg, picking up on the same question i asked jesse, if it's between biden and trump, i guess black voters could stay home, but so far the polls are pretty clear on this. why aren't they supporting trump? >> greg: well, here's the deal. polls were wrong. i believed in them before and they were wrong. what you call it? there's a certain kind of preference, lying about your preference. people don't want to say who they are voting for because the media demonizes you. are you going to publicly say you're voting for trump when 50%, 70%, 80% of the media says

you're racist because you're going to vote for trump and how african-americans are treated, juan, when they say they aren't going to vote for a democrat, how they are vilified and marginalized. do you think they're going to tell any pollster the truth? i wouldn't tell the truth. we might be witnessing one of the greatest pranks of all time when millions of americans are telling the pollsters a bunch of b.s. i wouldn't blame them if they did because right now we are making it harder than ever for people to actually commit to a belief because it runs counter to the media assumptions and demonize them. >> juan: hey, dana, karen bass, head of the congressional black caucus today said she really says that defund the police is one of the worst slogans she ever heard of. on the other hand, i was thinking and i was thinking terms of your p.r. background, that's a slogan that appeals to some of these people who are so critical and want biden to be

more aggressive. doesn't motivate the democratic base at the same time that others say it's a bad slogan? >> dana: perhaps for some, but i think those with any sort of legislative capabilities understand how dangerous it is that's why somebody like karen bass who really does want to try to get the police reform is saying to everybody it's the worst slogan ever. if you are explaining, you're losing. i would also note there is something about the left that in some ways is impressive in terms of message discipline. the letter that you referenced that was hunter biden, signed by 50 different groups, it's not just from people who want to reform the police. you had all sorts of groups like the environmentalists and they all come together to back a candidate and try to move a candidate in a certain way or when they get elected to move the person in office a certain way. it would be like the nra writing something that had to do with a pro-life issue.

that typically doesn't happen so much on the right but the left tensed all work together. that should be a little bit of a boost for the campaign. it could also tell republicans to watch out. if you're concerned that biden would actually be pulled even further to the left once he's in office, that might make trump people even more motivated to get out to vote. >> juan: good point. okay, dagen come at the moment it's like 68% of white voters same this is more than just the george floyd shooting. it's not an isolated incident. there is a proble broad probleme way police deal with black americans. is trump and the g.o.p. missing an opportunity by not tapping into the needs and the desire on the part of the american people for real reform? >> dagen: what he announced earlier today was real reform. you can collect an executive order but president obama five

years ago after the michael brown shooting in ferguson, missouri, rolled out 59 recommendations, not a law, for better policing and building public trust. by the way, so joe biden needs to run on police reform. only about 40% of president obama's ideas have been implemented. much of it because of the vast difference in all the police departments across the country and i will point out that atlanta was previously touted as a model city for implementing these recommendations from the president obama task force and now the police chief had to resign and he had this awful shooting last week. >> juan: okay. president trump ready for a big campaign reset ahead as his critics continue to slam his upcoming rally over covid-19 concerns, next on "the five." ♪ limu emu & doug

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's ♪ >> dana: top allies of president trump view the upcoming tulsa rally is a chance for a campaign reset giving him an opportunity to go on offense. his critics blast the rally due to covid-19 concerns. vice president pence has to rally could be moved outdoors but the media and democrats are piling on. >> it's a bad idea for states already seeing increases in cases to then have these large, it's a perfect storm set up. >> that scenario was the worst case. i cannot believe it in the middle of june after all that we have learned about this pandemic that that would even be a possibility. >> they very well may be infected with a life ending virus. it's despicable.

>> dana: greg, it's amazing how concerned they are for these rallies. >> greg: where were these people last week or two weeks ago? i think we predicted this, that the amount of condemnation concerning the trump rallies would be exactly proportional to the joy, the ecstasy they expressed over the massive protests. whether you think these rallies were these protests are good or bad, you must remember the contrast. then media is rooting for a side and it's not yours. they actually believe in their distorted brains that the coronavirus can somehow detect your politics. like somehow if you go to a trump rally you will die but if you go to a protest you will live. that somehow the virus knows this. this is how stupid. every day i realized that the media is more and more corrupt

and more and more awful and despicable and i think there is no turning back and i think that might be the healthiest thing to come from 2020, from the pandemic to the protests, is that we learned that the media is a sham. it's evil. and i include all media. >> dana: juan. this rally is going to happen. it sort of feels like the countdown to the rally feels like the countdown to the last day of school. there is so much anticipation around it. our democrats somewhat concerned that the narrative will switch to people went to the rally, there's a million people tried to sign up in order to get to go and there's a lot of enthusiasm on the trump campaign side of things. >> juan: i don't think there's any doubt about the enthusiasm and the trump base. but the poll numbers when you talk about a reset, dana, his poll numbers are worse than ever. the real clear politics has him

down by 8. losing in swing states. pennsylvania, michigan, florida. he's tied in places like iowa and arkansas. something is going on. the big issue with the rallies is that this is a planned event and the president and his staff know that it's planned. part of their plan is maybe have people sign consent forms to attend. that's wholly different and that's why the governor of the state's thing let's move it outdoors. that's what the public health director is saying. let's delay it. that's not media. that's people concerned with the spread of a virus that's been killing people. so i think that's a whole different concern and when you hear people like jesse, by the way, say i don't believe these poll numbers. debbie dingell, democrat from michigan, says the same but i think her idea is don't get complacent. don't rest on the fact that

biden is raising a lot of money. i think he raised $6 million last night with elizabeth warren. he's got barack obama coming up for another fund-raiser. >> dana: okay. but jesse, the money, they're not going to be able to match president trump's money, probably not the enthusiasm. maybe the numbers. foreign half months ago until the election and president trump has shown he can pull things together like no one else at the last minute. >> jesse: i told everybody when i get worried, then you guys can get worried that i'm not worried. i've always said that it's going to be a tight race and the debates are really going to be critical because joe is not going to have any notes or no one talking to him in his ear and not a friendly reporter asking him friendly questions. he's going to go mano a mano against the president and he's going to get shredded and he doesn't have what it takes. he doesn't have a political talent pull it off. i want to put a fine point on what greg said, the media is

dead. it's broken. it doesn't exist when you think the media has traditionally existed. they don't call balls and strikes. they are clearly not only rooting for a side. they've gone from routing to actively sabotaging the other side, and they don't even care about the appearance of it anymore and that's completely corrupt. there is a few differences between the black lives matter rallies and the trump rallies. there will be no looting at the trump rallies. there will be no fires lit. there will be no violence. and they will be testing you for covid-19 before you enter the arena. big differences between those sides, trump's people will be very happy as well. a lot of laughter and a lot of cheering and a lot of applause. >> dana: i think we could separate the protesters from the looters. i don't know if they were certainly all the same. dagen, there could be new

fashion debuted at the trump rally. i understand is going to be masks. make america great again masks. who knows. we could have a whole new trend. >> dagen: i want president trump to fully embrace this rally. do it outside. bull riding, monster trucks, full pyro. i want to see the moment. crocodile cowboy boots so that the animal rights activists hate you. they already do, but you know what i mean. >> dana: it could be hot out there for the boots but the cowboys wear their boots all year round. thank you. some in the media are questioning president trump's health. we will show you all about it next. you ever wish you weren't a motaur?

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♪ >> dagen: the media found a new trump conspiracy theory after his west point commencement address. they are questioning the president's fitness over a video of him walking slowly down a ramp and drinking a glass of water with two hands. take a look. >> who was seen walking slowly and cautiously down a ramp. >> having troubles with balance? having some numbness in his feet? >> a lot of questions around the president's physical fitness. >> he drinks water or any glass with two hands. is that anything that you find strange? >> he appeared to struggle to lift his arm and then he used his other hand to push the bottom of the glass up to his mouth. i don't know what explanation there could be for that. >> dagen: greg, that analysis is the intellectual equivalent of eating doggy chow on live

television. >> greg: let's be clear. every side does this. trump making fun of mitt romney walking like a penguin. the difference here is these are actually news people. we can joke about nancy or whoever, but these are actual people creating new segments about this. while they are doing that, they are deliberately not reporting other stories. there was a black lives matter activist that was murdered. that was in the news that they caught the assailant. the assailant wasn't white. it's not news. hannah pfizer, 25-year-old woman was killed by a sheriff in missouri. i think it was saturday night. but it's not news because she's white. now you see this 31-year-old man knocked out in 4-year-old woman and she hit her head -- a 94-year-old woman. i bet you haven't seen that footage anywhere. probably not on this network, not on cnn, not on "the view."

these are the stories that the media chooses not to report. why is that? it's a good question but let's talk about the fact that may be trump was wearing new shoes or head body armor under his suit because he had death threats and that makes it hard to move. that could be it. >> dagen: dana, members of the media are what they claim to hate. >> dana: when i first saw that story i assumed it was some sort of like meme boy when you host a news program you have a choice about what you want to talk about how you want to talk about it, stories that would come up like in the 2016 campaign questioning hillary clinton's health. remember those means. that was something that was also distasteful. i think when you look at the president, i don't care if you want to drink water with two hands. that's fine with me.

also i don't understand why there wasn't a handle for him to hold on to when you're going down the ramp. that's pretty standard for any type of thing. that's actually dangerous. you should always have a connection near walking down. i tell this to everybody and i learned it from laura bush and it wasn't because she was going to be embarrassed if she fell. it was because she didn't want to fall. >> dagen: juan, to the members of the media want the president of fall so that gives them weeks of something to cover because they are lazy and mean? that's the perfect story for them. they don't have to do any work or think about anything. they find it gleeful. >> juan: let's try to get the story straight. it was president trump to begin tweeting about this and invited all of this attention because he paid attention once he started tweeting, than a lot of people including the media started

paying attention to what happened and it was trump of course who went after as you heard hillary clinton. every time she sneezed she was a death store. he's the one who says you know, joe biden is so sleepy. trump is a 74-year-old who eats a lot of junk food and hides everything about his health. i guess people might pay attention when this comes up. he makes it an issue and everybody pays attention and then you want to blame the media. i don't think that's right. >> dagen: jesse, joe biden had two life-threatening brain aneurysms in 1998. are they talking about that? they were treated, but still. >> jesse: when juan reaches president trump's age, not too far off, you wish you were -- as he was. don't you deny it. a healthy man and everyone will take health at that age and he is up tweeting while you are fast asleep. i think i might understand the drinking thing. i watched it a few times.

i thought it was hilarious that he was drinking the water like a baby and i have an idea. i think it's a vanity play. i think is very conscious of the still photographers and all the cameras, the whole world is watching. you and i have all had this moment where you are casually sipping from a glass of water and you throw it up too quickly and it spills all down your face or you throw it up too fast and it knocks you in the teeth. can't take that risk is the president. with the ramp deal, women have issues with high heels much worse than men do, i'll give you that. it's obvious. men wear lace up leather loafers. we have issues too. those are super slippery and if there is one gradation of a decline, you're looking at a catastrophic wipeout. there is no railing, you're easily, gently going down the stairs so you don't fall in front of the free world. >> dagen: i am a speller and a

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♪ >> greg: you want some good news? it starts out bad. yesterday we mentioned the cold-blooded murders of two seniors named paul and lidia. they visited their son's grave at delaware's veterans memorial cemetery last month they were shot dead by a lone gunman there. amid the pandemic, the story went largely ignored. paul was an army vet, the lidia was a loving mom and they had three sons, six grandkids and two great-grandchildren. i bet you didn't hear about them until you watched "the five." i found out that a stranger, chris miller, a member of the honor guard who performed at the cemetery set up a gofundme paged up the family pay the funeral costs so i figured why not help. last night the donations climbed from thousands to over 90 grand. i'm not blowing my horn. i am blowing your horn. those who watched the show last night and chose to help, you are the best. what's the lesson?

the people want to help. if your car breaks down in texas, there's got to be four pickup trumps pulling over to help. if you slip on a sidewalk, pedestrians will help you. when there is a disaster people pitch in. it's vital to note as we are caught in a whirlwind of demonic smears when anchors of network say all of america is irredeemably racist, when we have politicians who prefer vengeance over conversation. when we have angry activists who think it's legit to destroy somebody's business, when we have mobs who beat people down rather than help them up. we need to remind those people want decent people actually do. we assist. we sacrifice. who else needs help? officer shane nick aloneness, age 29 was shot in the head during recent vegas protest. shea is paralyzed, unable to speak. that's the thing about helping out, it's easy. it's addictive and it feels

great because it is. so dana, officer mikilonis. it's up to 155,000. he's going to require lifelong care i don't. people should seek out officer mikalonis' page. >> dana: one of the things that remarkable is it's an honor to be on this show, it's a real privilege to be on the show. we are in our tenth year and over and over again i am always blown away by the generosity and love that our viewers showed one another and we really, really appreciate it. >> greg: yeah. even though some of our viewers get mad at you, juan, you have

to admit if your car broke down they would pull over and help you. >> juan: i think they would do the same for you greg, even though they get mad about you. we have is america standing up and i love to see americans reach out and give some comfort to a grieving family in either situation and to take, americans rise up out of a bad situation and make good of it and i think that's wonderful and it's great for the five family. i think it's got to extend to all the damage that we see done to people. i don't care who does support you have empathy and loving your heart, you make a difference. you do make a difference, america. >> greg: dagen, this gofundme thing is great. they make some money off of it but it makes it so much easier to help people. >> dagen: it does and reach out to people instantly. i want to thank all of

"the five" viewers who supported me during my mother's illness and death. people literally, there is a woman who tweeted me several times a week if not daily throughout my moms lung cancer battle and after her death, she still doesn't. it. all she tweets me is xs and os but it shows kindness and a generosity of spirit and who we really are. who we are as a nation. >> greg: jesse, i think it's great, we realize humans are naturally inclined to help other humans, even you, jesse. >> jesse: it's funny that you say that because yesterday i wasn't going to donate but then i saw that we were doing the segment today i had to donate because i wanted to tell everybody on television that i donated. that makes me feel really good.

and greg, i have to say you did do a really good thing and it really stands out because you rarely do such good things. i want to compliment you. >> greg: that's true. >> jesse: i think you're entering a new phase in your life, just like the country is going through phases. greg is going through phases. maybe this is your boroque period. my wife says you look thin, you've got a tan. are you going to church? we'll have to wait and see. >> greg: it is the church of the sub genius. anyway, i'm going to go now. "one more thing" is up next. ♪ limu emu & doug you know limu, after all these years it's the ones that got away that haunt me the most. [ squawks ] 'cause you're not like everybody else. that's why liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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dana perino. >> dana: i introduce these two young men on my show today. they are tim and fred williams. they have a youtube channel called twins, the new trend. they do first reactions to music from our era. they did one for me from kenny chesney. take a look. ♪ >> okay. >> dana: i talk to them that if you look at the comments on the different youtube videos that has all these people from all walks of life coming together and enjoying it. i asked about bringing people together and this is what they said. >> i always say there is no color in music. everybody joins in and reacts to it. be different. for us, it brings other people and encourages people to listen to old music too, as well, all different types of music.

>> dana: i watched for an hour and a half, i couldn't stop. also i'm doing mentoring on instagram live at 6:30 p.m. with dagen mcdowell. >> jesse: that is a must-see. juan williams. >> juan: . the sounds of summer. lawn mowers, ocean waves, and jingling ice cream trucks. take a look at ice cream truck heaven. that is a pastor handing out free ice cream treats. he did it from an ice cream truck that his daughter rented for him for one day, saturday, as a birthday gift. he runs the florida dream center. they help homeless people and victims of human trafficking. he gives away 25,000 pounds of food every weekend. now he gives away summer ice cream in exchange for big smiles. >> jesse: that was the juan williams-iest

"one more thing" i ever heard. lawn mowers, ice cream trucks and ocean waves? >> juan: i love it. i love it. >> jesse: it keeps getting better. that's it for us. sorry, dagen. "special report" is up next. hey, bret. >> bret: thank you. good evening. i am bret baier. president trump says cost is no object in the effort to prevent deadly interactions between police and civilians. the president unveiling his plan for police reform this afternoon calling for common sense, improvement in accountability and transparency, investment in training and community engagement. his executive order comes as demonstrators in seattle are giving up a bit of their territory, i say their territory. downtown seattle. the occupation of downtown seattle, the six blocks. they are still holding on.