>> ed: peter navarro said deep state revenge, what an interview. >> sandra: what a three hours, great to be with you through all of it, ed. we'll be back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: president trump hitting back after the supreme court rejected his administration's efforts to end daca, the obama-era program that gave legal protection stil too g immigrants brought to the country's children. it seems to elevate the issue in the 2020 election. president trump in the past hour tweeting, "these horrible and politically-charged decisions coming out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of people who are proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. we need more justices, or we will lose our second amendment

and everything else. vote trump 2020 grade" and adding, "do you get the impression the supreme court doesn't like me?" chief legal correspondent and anchor of foxes that night, shannon bream, as all the details on the high court decision. shannon? >> hey, melissa. yes, this is involving 700,000 to 800,000 so-called dreamers, brought to the u.s. illegally as children, but how many of them have work permits and protections against deportation. it was set up by executive action by the obama administration. this administration tried to undo the executive action, and today the court said it didn't get it right. here is part of the majority opinion from the chief justice john roberts who wrote that, saying this. "the dispute before the court is not whether the homeland security department may rescind daca. all parties agree that it may. it's an said primarily about the procedure the agency followed in doing so." they are not getting to the merits of daca or contesting

this administration can roll it back, but they said the way they did it, they were a couple of memos through acting dhs secretary elaine duke another one through dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen. they didn't get it right. justice kavanaugh said this. "the court's refusal to look at the nielsen memorandum seems particularly mistaken. moreover, it shows the department back in 2018 considered the policy issues that the court today says the department did not consider." he says, listen, they went through the memos, they did what they were supposed to do, they give the underpinnings for why they are rolling back daca, and he disagrees they didn't get it right. one of the things that came up during arguments was justice sotomayor. she said this president has talked a lot about getting something done, a deal, these dreamers up will be protected, sign up, will renew your permits and protections, and in part of her opinion today, which was partially dissenting, she brought that up again. "the impact of the policy decision must be viewed in the context of the president's

public statements on and off the campaign trail." she says, listen, these folks who were dreamers had assurances at some point from his president that he was going to protect them. that's part of her reasoning. what's getting the most attention today is the primary dissent from justice clarence thomas, who says, listen, they got this right and rolling it back. what you're doing is essentially tying the hands of any administration by the prior administration's executive action. he said dhs created daca during the obama administration without any statutory authorization and without going through the requisite rule making process. as a result, the program was unlawful from its inception. in his dissent, his opinion, he says essentially that the program was unlawful the whole time so you don't have to be so picky about this administration unrolling it. for now, that's where we are. no ruling on the merits of whether daca is a good program or not, but that decision from the court, 5-4, today that the trump administration did not

properly rescinded. melissa? >> melissa: shannon, thank you so much. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner, host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy, syndicated radio host ed fox news contributor, leslie marshall, and joining us today, fox news contributor guy benson. he is host of the guy benson radio show and he is outnumbered. let me get your reaction to this ruling and where you think it takes us. >> guy: in my opinion, it is a weak pond from the chief justice. for the reasons we just for to heard from shannon, they didn't deal with the nut of the issue. to me it looks like he kin kindf found a way to avoid that issue, to avoid a politically controversial or unpalatable outcome. it seems like it should be pretty clear cut, that if a previous president does something with just a stroke of a pen, and executive action no legislative power, a successor can undo that very action also

with the stroke of the pen. i worry that, by going through this convoluted process and trying to make it about a process question as opposed to just a law question, this will, encouraginexecutive overreach ie future. i wonder what president trump might try to do. let's say he loses in november, he made to them i try and sign a bunch of executive orders and hope it gets tied up in the court for years. maybe he can tie the hands of a future admin's region by doing so. that's a bad precedent. also, is the supreme court rewarding congress for doing absolutely nothing on this issue, being unable to come to any sort of compromise? which is their job. it's their job to legislate, not their job to legislate. justice thomas, in his dissent, gets it right. i say that, by the way, someone who has defended roberts in the past and probably will the future, and who supports the dream act for dreamers. i still think this is a travesty today.

>> melissa: kennedy, what strikes me is that both presidents got here the same way. they were frustrated with the fact that our legislators refused to do their job, so president obama, in frustration, created an executive order, and president trump says he, too, went to the courts as leverage to try and force the legislators to get off their tuchises and do some actual writing of law. some legislating, which they refuse to do. what are your thoughts on that? >> kennedy: that congress is populated by a bunch of stunned-happy children. it is really unfortunate, because republicans democrats are not too far off in terms of dreamers when it comes to immigration. but they would rather publicly cry before the cameras instead of sitting down like reasonable adults and figuring out what it is on each side, where they

could come together, to protect a vulnerable group of people, many of whom, a majority of whom, consider themselves to be americans. they don't have a place to go back to. living in fear like that, it handicapped someone from participating fully in the american dream, which is what we should be encouraging every single person to do. the executive branch, it is on steroids. it is far too powerful. and the fact that you can go back and forth with executive orders only illustrates that. now we have seen the court sort of smack down to cope successive administrations. it goes back to congress. take back some of your power, so we can rebalance the three branches of government. >> guy: they don't want to. >> melissa: leslie, what do you think about that? it does seem like they don't want to. it seems like they just want to have the issue as a political issue as opposed to doing the work they've been elected to do.

>> leslie: look, i agree with some of what guy and kennedy are saying. you see the headlines, "a big win for dreamers," approximately 800,000 people. but they are still holding their breath, to a degree, until congress acts. sadly, and rightly so, melissa, to your point, this does become like political tennis between democrats and republicans. right now this is an election year, as we know, and what does the court say? "look, you didn't give adequate and sufficient justification for why you want this gone." in the white house could come back and do that. they are unlikely to do that in an election year, and politically it does for the president because immigration was a focal point of his domestic agenda. again, november is a big election. that still doesn't allow the 800 plus dreamers are still waiting to exhale, if you will, with regard to this. this, again, goes back and forth, strokes of the pen, to kennedy's point with executive power. congress needs to take action to help all these individuals were

still in limbo, to a degree. >> melissa: harris, i wonder, does it really hurt the president politically? you saw with that tweet where he used what is a very alarming phrase they are, "a shotgun blast to the face of conservatives and republicans," and then throws in the reference to the second amendment. obviously he thinks he can use this to gain political support. >> harris: well, i mean, i think any candidate would want to use what is clearly not a victory for the president as something they can show that it's an unfair situation. the wording is a different discussion. i don't think we want to go down that road too much, because we would only reach a point of agreement. chief justice roberts, this is from jim jordan, ranking house of the house judiciary, just moments ago released this statement. "roberts does it again, because in diluting the law to appease the d.c. establishment by ruling that president trump cannot terminate daca in the same way president obama use to start it.

the court decision creates two standards of executive power. one for president obama, another for president trump." that is kind of echoing what guide guy benson was talking about, as well. the big question now, and kennedy asked part of it, will congress do next? is there a legal way forward in all of this? can they bicamerally get together the house and the senate? i don't know. they haven't done it before. they haven't had the will to do it. it hasn't been politically expedient for them. we are at a right now. i agree with what you are saying, i think everyone does. they are still in limbo, the doc of recipients. guy is right, this didn't settle anything. this got the politics thrown out into the middle of the floor. >> melissa: absolutely. all right, president trump lashing out against john bolton's new book as a former national security advisor because the president "unfit for

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>> harris: president trump ramping up his attacks on john bolton over the former security advisor's upcoming book. it details his time in the white house, olden's memoir claims the president was easily manipulated by foreign adversaries and was focused mainly on his reelection, among those of other allegations. however, the president is calling the book made up and told sean hannity it contains highly classified information. watch the president. >> he broke the law. he was a washed up guy, i gave them a chance, he couldn't get senate-confirm, so i gave him a nonsenate confirmed position

where i could put in there and see how he worked. i wasn't very enamored. >> harris: john bolton is doubling down. in a new interview with abc, bolton said the president is unable to handle the job. >> i don't think he's fit for office, i don't think he has the confidence to carry out the job. there really isn't any guiding principle that i was able to discern other than what's good for donald trump's reelection. >> harris: chief white house correspondent john roberts live with the latest on all of this. john? >> harris, good afternoon. the department of justice is seeking an emergency hearing for an injunction, and a temporary restraining order barring the release of don boltz dominic bolton's new book, set to go out on tuesday although advance copies of already gone out, which is why we know so much ab. some of it has been leaked, as well. in an interview with abc, part of we played just they are, john bolton claims that most of president trump's foreign policy

was driven by his desire for reelection. listen here. >> well, i think he was so focused on the reelection, that longer-term considerations felt by the wayside. >> one of the considerations he outlines in the book is that president trump cut a deal with president xi jinping, according to bolton, two buy u.s. agricultural goods because it would help him with voters in the farm belt. that revelation brought howls of criticism from senator chuck schumer earlier this morning. listen here. >> mr. bolden alleges that the president wanted to support farmers in key states, so he sold out the national interest for his personal political interest. sound familiar? , my center public and colleagues? sound familiar? >> but the person in the room, robert lighthizer, says that never happened. he was talking with the senate committee in which he said, "absolutely untrue, never

happen. i was there. i have no recollection of that ever happening. i don't believe it's true, i don't believe it ever happened." just a short while ago, the white house trade advisor, peter navarro, with harsh criticism not just of the book but of bolton himself. listen here. >> it is deep swamp political equivalent of revenge porn. he got fired because he didn't obey the chain of command, he was out of touch with what president donald j. trump stands for in terms of foreign policy, he created his own home autonomous zone near the white house. he disrespected everybody. he had nothing to do with the china policy. >> bolden talks at length in the book about the impeachment process. he accuses the democrats for focusing narrowly on the ukraine issue. he said there were other wells they could have dipped into, as well, including the president's positions toward china and turkey. but democrats have hit back at

both and saying, "if you knew all of this, why didn't you come testify?" a personal observance here, harris, i read the book, albeit quickly, last night. all the bad stuff about president trump is already out there, so there's the potential here that, by continuing down this course to try and block publication of the book, the president just, in effect, gives more publicity to it. the one thing the president can't do, even if they get a temporary restraining order and injunction to bar the release of the book, is john bolton has one interview and they can and a lot more planned for next week, and the president can't stop those. harris? >> harris: john roberts, thank you very much. i just want to tell our viewers real quick, when we talk about chuck schumer, we know he's from new york. at the bottom of the screen, the word said california. will move on. as we talk with our virtual couch about this, i'm reading speaker of the house nancy pelosi has just said, "he was so arrogant in terms of the house." when she was asked whether the

house would consider a subpoena again -- because remember, they could've pressed that before -- she said they would "make a judgment" about that subpoena for him going forward. kennedy? >> kennedy: s? >> harris: this is an interesting spot for john bolton to be in. people on both sides of the political aisle are not happy with him. why didn't he say this before under oath, is what the dems are upset about. and republicans are saying, "no, this is not how you do it. classified information. some of it not true." >> kennedy: yes, john bolton has a very negative view of the president come but he really wanted to be part of the demonstration. the other thing about john bolton is he is much more interested in being right than he is in being liked. i don't think he really gives a rip if democrats and republicans are both mad at him. at one point he had political aspirations, he wanted to run for president, he had his own political action committee, and obviously that has not

materialized for him. john bolton is really fun to talk to. he is a supersmart guy. >> harris: he was a coworker of ours. >> kennedy: some of his policy and his worldview is so incredibly dangerous that i was shocked that the president put him in his administration in the first place, because john bolton would love to blow up everything. that is why the left hates him. they consider him to be a murderer. the president has been very adamant about wanting to end these endless incursions in the middle east. john bolton would like to blow up iran, china, and north korea, and that would just be his appetizer. >> harris: you know, guy, kennedy brings up a good question. why do you think the president did choose him? it sounds like pretty quickly the president figured out he was not actually his choice after all. he wanted to move on. >> guy: could be that the president consumes a fair amount of cable news, particularly one channel, and john bolton was a fixture on that channel and says smart things and has a lot of

information at his fingertips. the president said, "all right, i like the cut of that guy's j jib, let's bring them onboard." even though their world throughs were not aligned in a couple of ways. if you are the democrats or republicans, if you felt like all of this stuff happened and it's a real threat to the country, and the president was unfit and bring his own personal or political interests above the national interests, why weren't you champing at the bit tripping over yourself to come and testify before congress? of course democrats could have worked harder on that front, they didn't. if you were witness to some of these conversations, like about concentration camps in china, and the president apparently tacitly or overtly approving of that, why did you not resign on the spot, ambassador bolton? if that's what you heard any thought it was so appalling. those are fair questions. on the other hand i will say this, bolton is known to be not only very sharp, very smart, but an assiduous notetaker.

this stuff is documented. i bet he has diaries going back months and months and months, and i think there is some credibility especially if you look at the concentration camp allegation. president trump, as a private citizen in 1990, praised the tiananmen square massacre, saying the chinese government finally showed strength. they almost blew it but they showed strength. some of these allegations don't strike me as far-fetched. what they do to the president in terms of reelection and this big brawl over bolton remains to be seen. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i'll tell you, when people say that john bolton is lying, i don't think so. a lot of the stuff is already out there, a lot of people especially on my side of the aisle do think the president falsifies things, that he does personal attacks, loves flattery, and hates the press. what really concerns me is, to kennedy's point, john bolton likes to be right. but does he like to do the right thing, or does he like money more? obviously the latter, because

the right thing, if you really believe and you are stating that the president said to china and other foreign nations and leaders, "look, i'll do this for you if you help me get reelected," that's the quid pro quo democrats were concerned about. that is what the impeachment inquiry started, and john bolton is alleging that democrats didn't dig deep enough yet. he wasn't willing to go forward and to testify. that, as an american, bothers me a great deal. at the end of the day, i guess john bolton has to look himself in the mirror and look at that. politically, though, book sales are great for john bolton right now. quite frankly, i really don't think this is going to help or hurt the president, because the people that love the president think john bolton is lying and the people who don't like him already have a copy of bolton's book. >> harris: or they think worse about john bolton, melissa. they think he put classified information out there that maybe not all of it was cleared, that he did the thing leslie is

suggesting about him, that he chose money over doing the right thing. it may maybe he doesn't care. he acts like he cares, because he's giving interviews. >> melissa: most democrats, when he asked them, "are you frustrated he's a day late and a dollar short in terms of helping you with impeachment?" they say they think it's going to have an impact on the election. i think this book won't change one single vote or one single mind. if you aren't engaged enough over the past four years to decide that you either love or hate this president, then you are hardly going to be engaged enough to read a book that is this deep in the woods. i read the excerpts, a lot of them are funny. if you're not in this game you won't find it interesting. you have to really be focused on what's going on in order to read this and think it's a riveting read. >> harris: and it's interesting, too, what you said, guy. so much of it is already out there. the book is out, you are reading through it. they can possibly stop some of

it, maybe delay it is what legal experts are telling me. we'll move on. new fallout after a prosecutor has announced charges now against two atlanta police officers in the death of rayshard brooks. how that decision appears to be causing repercussion throughout the department. stay close. ♪

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the speed with which the d.a. announced the charges apparently is a surprise to the georgia bureau of investigation. the agency tasked with conducting an independent investigation of brooks' death since this quote. "although we've made significant progress in the case, we have not computed dumb i completed our work. the d.a. was not aware of the press conference before it was conducted. we are not charged dumb i consulted on the charges filed by the district attorney." all this prompting georgia congressman doug collins calling for an independent prosecutor to be appointed to the case. we jumped in there. what do you make of the lead settlements coming out of their now? with the split, but them saying, "you didn't call us first?" >> guy: the charging decisions to be reek of politics. there's an election going on now, there's a heated moment in the country and the city of atlanta. the prosecutors decided they would go with charges i fear are significant over charges, given what we've seen on video.

i am very much open to an argument that there was maybe excessive force, that lethal force was necessary given that the suspect seemed to be fleeing although he was turning around with the taser. that is one question. another question is whether it was aggregated, aggravated assault but when officer and filling and ready for another. this is suspect who resisted arrest, attacked the officers, still the weapon that the d.a. said it's a lethal weapon, a deadly weapon under georgia law. he said that a few weeks ago while charging police officers for using that weapon. the suspect stole it from the police, depleted against the police, who then shot him. this is not the same at all as george floyd. one of the problems we see is when district attorney's want to play to the political crowd, overcharge, in this case, police officers with crimes. if they can't then convict on those crimes, we'll see another round of unrest. i think it's irresponsible, i understand the frustration of the police officers who are now

calling in sick. "if they don't have our backer, we don't have your back." i feel horrible for the innocent police tell my people of atlanta who need a police force >> harris: you don't hav want to hear reports of calls going and heard because of anything like this. we will cover the news as it happens on that regard. leslie, i'm curious, from you, when you look at what happened with george floyd, there were allegations but if you didn't charge hard enough and he saw a second-degree murder added to the third-degree murder, there were some misnomer. "it's been upgraded." actually they added to the charges, the list got longer with second-degree murder on there. as guy is pointing out and as many police officers have said, "wait a minute, let's look at the whole thing. they aren't exactly the same." >> leslie: in fulton county, where atlanta is in georgia, the district attorney should have looked at what keith ellison did in minneapolis. they followed the standard operating procedure, which is

the officer is th suspended, nvestigation, and in minneapolis charges were brought speedily even though people protesting didn't feel it was that way. this was even quicker and they didn't go by the book, in my opinion. suspend the officer, do the investigation, bring the charges. like in minneapolis, you can amend or add to those charges for the down. otherwise, you have to give, if you are a district attorney, enough evidence that the jury is going to see what you wanted to see and end up with a conviction. speaking to politics, the district attorney and fulton county, like in most cases in this country, is an elected official. politics, sadly, is in play. i also think, harris, there's a lot of fear in d.a. offices that if they don't get charges and get the cops off the street quickly that there's going to be more violence, more unrest, more rioting, more looting, and then that shouldn't enter into their

decision, but it certainly does across the board. we've seen it in minneapolis and we saw it in los angeles after rodney king. >> harris: to speak to that issue, kennedy -- and i don't want to lean too hard on this because i know i've said it a couple times on the air -- you do have law enforcement and your family. i'm always curious to ask those who have loved ones who are serving in that capacity, their take on these types of things. i can only imagine you are talking with her family members. >> kennedy: i was talking with my brother, and anyone in law enforcement right now is really frustrated, because they feel like they are being used as political pawns. if you are a good person, a good cop doing the right thing, and you are trying to protect and serve the public as you have sworn, you get painted with a broad brush and then it's your reputation that suffers. it makes law enforcement a more dangerous job. that's not the best way to go about this. i think guy and leslie are both

right. if you are overcharging an officer because you are doing a cost-benefit analysis about potential protests turning into destruction, you're coming at it from the wrong way. if you thinking about it in terms of your own political expediency, you're also coming about it the wrong way. it is right to have the conversation about police reform. this is the wrong way to go about it. when you are putting more people, and vulnerable people, at risk, if you are going to have a giant sick-out by police who feel their lives and jobs are in jeopardy. >> harris: melissa, a quick thought? >> melissa: i think, as we have more police officers and law enforcement officials calling in sick, the crowd that says defund the police loves this idea. i think that, unfortunately, what it means is a lot more

violence and a lot more crime. we certainly seen the crime rate in new york increased dramatically in every category, for murderers to shootings to stabbings to carjackings. it seems like we are adding more in that direction. the community that hurts most is the minority community and the low income community that doesn't have the resources to protect themselves more. >> harris: wow. good point on that last. we'll move on. out on the campaign trail. should the former vice president listen, or is his current strategy working for him in the basement? although he got out yesterday, he was in pennsylvania. ♪ is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. with nutrients to help support immune health.

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a long time. i think he's really been run beautifully. he's not running his campaign, people are running his campaign. i see quotes all the time that he said this, he said that about me. long, beautiful flowing sentences. i said, "joe didn't make that statement, joe doesn't even know this demand was made." but they're leaving them there and at some point is going to have to come up for air. >> melissa: meantime, the biden campaign launching its first major outlets of the general election today. the $15 million rollout targeting six key battleground states that president trump won in 2016. leslie, the basement strategy is working for joe biden if you believe the polls, which i don't, but regardless. >> leslie: [laughs] >> melissa: is he really going to be able to keep it up as the lockdown ends? it was you to say before that he is observing social distancing, and you could do with the

digital campaign. it wasn't being contrasted with huge stadiums being filled by president trump. do you think he can keep up since a sequestered campaign as a country unlocks and goes back outside? >> leslie: joe biden hasn't been in the basement, he left the basement memorial day to lay a wreath at the grave of fallen veterans. he's also met with george floyd's family, he spoke in pennsylvania, he knelt down with protesters in delaware. those are just a few examples. >> melissa: will have a rally? b5 if all of that and the basement is hurting him, that over $80 million that he got in campaign contributions in may certainly is helping. with a $6 million in one day with senator elizabeth warren from massachusetts. with a $3.5 million with senator kamala harris from right here in california. i think his strategy is working and that he's doing the right thing, because right now we are seeing a surge, as you know, in texas, florida, arizona with covid, and unlike the

vice president talking about a resurgence being overblown, we don't know. medical professionals don't know, politicians don't know. i think joe biden is doing the right and responsible thing, and he's obviously, in those polls, doing well. i know you don't believe them but the monies coming in, as well. >> melissa: i don't believe the polls. setting the surges aside because you know the hospitalization rate as we look at as a key statistic, and it is low in those states you just mentioned -- i don't want to scare people unnecessarily --dash guy, let me ask you. all of things leslie to include having a rally unit if the country was reopened, i don't know. it is doubtful if he could get enough people show up for a rally. is that contrast with the president, now that the country's reopening? does that have an impact, or do democrats not care about that? they don't need to see that kind of enthusiasm? >> guy: i'm not sure they really care, because the basement strategy seems to be working overall. i think what the biden people have decided is this is going to

be a pure referendum election. they're going to make it all about whether president trump deserves four more years, and frankly, if joe biden says almost nothing and sits in the basement for the next five months, that could be the best thing for him. i think trump understands that, which is why you heard in that clip from hannity last night that he is trying to goad biden out of the basement to come get more involved. frankly, the more we hear from joe biden, the more we understand how deeply unimpressive he is as a candidate and he's out there. you never know what he's going to say. he might not know what he's going to say. i think trump obviously wants more of that one-on-one traditional campaign, if you will, because he thinks that will reflect poor dominic poorly on biden. the fact that leslie could count on one hand the number of he has made public appearances in the last few months, it seems, it is working for him. he is kicking up and up in the polls. i would be surprised a little bit if the democrats took the bait, here. >> melissa: well, it would be

interesting to see if they end up having debates. he will have to come out for that one. then everybody will be really watching, i guess. business owners and residents living in and around seattle's downtown protest zone are voicing growing concerns about their safety. is it time for city leaders to step in? ♪ >> we have been shell-shocked by the police, and now this. these people are evil at night. they are horrible. ♪

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the violence. >> harris: my heart breaks when i see that, kennedy. it's like negotiating with terrorists. give me back my own house. >> kennedy: this is what one party rule looks like, and this is antifreedom. if people can't exercise their basic freedoms in zones like this, something has really gone wrong. that is the most important thing. it really is. it is liberty. it's not giving over the entire city to a group of people because they are allowed, and the mayor and city council have both been incredibly unpopular and the mayor is terrified of being disliked by allowed group of people. this section of people in seattle, i am all for protesting. i enjoyed civil disobedience. this is not that.

it's not that, and it also allows the city government to step aside while homeles homeles flourishes in a beautiful city like seattle. they are terrified of real solutions to that problem. >> harris: before i move on, i want to hit you with this. i know you've got family who came from northwest portland. maybe not that area, but portland. they had another pop-up autonomous zone. the president has said, this could spread. in fact, in portland, it did. but police officers gathered people up, called it a civil disturbance, and very quickly moved in, took down the barriers and took back that area. some places actually can get in there and take care of business. >> kennedy: s, and cities should take care of themselves. you should not have the president threatening to send in the military when a bunch of stinky progressives get together

and wreak havoc and threaten the rights of law-abiding citizens there. lock it up. portland and seattle, lock it up. portland did a better job, they have better cops. >> harris: you know, leslie, as we look at this -- and i know everything is political. democrats, republicans. but right down the middle are everybody in america who deserved to be able to go to their small business or get to their apartment, their home, their condo, whatever it is, without being stopped, to be able to pass the guards in the economists zone >> leslie: i believe the freedoms and the rights of all people in this now a three block radius. it is interesting, because that woman, my heart goes out to her. but it's very different than residents we had in that zone made a call in just to my radio show the every day, they were saying it's very different than what we are seeing, the violence we are saying portrayed first,

the police aren't going to respond to anything that is life-threatening and they have almost people that are going there, and it is more like a hippie commune, in a sense. that's what we are hearing from the people in that 3-block radius as of late. >> harris: a hippie commune? wow. i guess that's one way of putting it. if it's a commune and it's no longer your city block -- by the way, the city negotiated to take half of the block they have, six or seven of them, they took half of them back. now, as leslie points out, it's a 3-blog area. it's not 100% given back to the residents of that city. >> melissa: no, this is what a breakdown of the rule of law looks like. make no mistake, nobody in this area, whether it's the protesters, the people inside the zone, the homeowners, business people, nobody is safe as this is going on. i would just note that yelp tracks these things, and 4500

businesses in seattle have shut down since the beginning of the virus. i wonder how many are going to come back. if you don't have any coming back to this area, and you lose your basic services, you lose your pharmacy, your grocery store, you lose all the things that you need, what it does to businesses in that area and people who try and live there, i don't know that this is the future that this entire group necessarily wants. >> harris: wow, that's a heartbreaking statistic. we will be back in a moment. ♪ here's record-breaking news for veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped to near 50-year lows. newday usa can help you refinance your mortgage and save thousands a year. newday's va streamline refi makes it fast and easy because there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. i urge you to call newday usa now.

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portland is still better. >> melissa: you've got a laugh from kennedy, they are. thank you to everyone at home for joining us. we are back here on the virtual couch tomorrow. now, here's harris. ♪ >> harris: president trump lashing out at former national security advisor john bolton for turning on him in an explosive new book about his time in the administration. you're watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the president is calling john bolton a liar and telling "the wall street journal" that everyone at the white house hated bolton. this come after bolton claimed president trump asked chinese president xi to help him win reelection and offered favors to dictators he liked, among other allegations. the president denies it all and has this to say. >> he broke the law. it's very simple. as much as it's going be broken, this is highly classified. it's highly classified information. he did not have appro