pete: nascar and grill meat with your dog in the backyard? with beer for sure, if i know griff jenkins absolutely. have a great saturday everybody, we'll be covering the president 's rally tomorrow morning, until then, go enjoy the summer. neil: you are looking live in tulsa, oklahoma the president getting ready for a big rally tonight. his first since all of this started with the virus and the shutdown, and if you think about it here, the crowd itself of which can fill that arena to the tune of about 19,000, over subscribing that by at least a factor of 10 a lot of people waiting for a chance to get in there, and so are protesters also gathering right now, but so far everything is peaceful and everything is nice we'll see how that goes later on tonight and once the president arrives welcome everybody it's cavuto live i am neil cavuto very good to have you let's get the latest on what we are looking at with

ray bogan a look at the crowd and the protesters which seems all friendly thus far? reporter: good morning to you, neil we want to give a quick look at the security measures that are in place. there is about a six-block perimeter around the center and there are armed members of the national guard here a vehicle barrier and then we'll show you the pedestrians in a moment but we're in an area with a lot of merchandise and people walking around and you can see that line to get in is building and those people are waiting at about a 10-foot pedestrian fence. you can't get any farther than that if you don't have a ticket and as you mentioned, the mayor is expecting somewhere in the range of 100,000 people to be here tonight, so it's going to be very very busy. now, yesterday the mayor put out an emergency order which has since been rescinded but there were a couple of key lines in there that are still important in terms of safety and security. one is that he had received

intelligence from local law enforcement that members of an organized group who have been responsible for violence in the past were making their way to tulsa. he also wrote in that emergency order that molatov cocktails and explosives are strictly prohibit ed within the tulsa city limits so as you see these armed national guards start to make their way down the vehicle barriers and police we really start to get the sense they're taking security very very seriously, and you can't even get to within a block of the ro b center without a ticket back to you. neil: now, ray, i seem to remember that they wanted a curfew in effect they had one thursday night and dispensed with it last night because i guess the crowds that were forming just to get in there, so there was no curfew last night, right? reporter: there was no curfew last night and also part of that emergency order there was supposed to be a curfew tonight that was going to go into effect

as soon as the rally ended, so everybody was supposed to immediately go home, but after president trump spoke with the mayor, that curfew and the emergency order as a whole was rescinded so now it seems like people can stay out later but there's definitely people taking precautions and concerned about protests potentially turning violent, for instance we saw a couple businesses not too far from here boarding up so there's definitely even though the curfew is no longer in effect there is definitely concern about what might happen in the nighttime hours. neil: all right my friend thank you very very much that's ray bogan in tulsa. the president is going to have a who's who crowd with him the vice president of the large delegation from congress including the senator from oklahoma, who joins us right now senator, good to have you. the campaign seems to have taken a good man it precautions to prevent any virus-related issues making sanitizer available, mask

s if people want them but many expressed in your state concern that with the best of intentions, this could lead to a flare-up in cases. what do you think? >> well you know, they always say that, but i'm just so honor ed that it's going to be oklahoma first. you know, this guy has been gone for a long period time, three almost four months and so to have this opening up now is exciting. sure we're going to have people come in. i have no doubt in my mind that we have professionals coming around right now, trying to infiltrate, come in, create problems, and i think particularly since this is the first outing, and so i anticipate somethings going to happen but in oklahoma we're just not that tolerant and we're going to take whatever precautions we have to take. neil: you know, attendees i guess have to sign a waiver, recognizing the risks that are out there. does that scare folks oracle

doesn't impact the crowd, what do you think of that? >> well i'm not sure i understand what you just asked. do it again. neil: they are to sign a waiver to not blame anyone if they were to contract the virus or fall ill. >> yeah, i think that it's always if you can get by and he can get by with almost anything because the people want to get in and they're going to sign anything you have to sign, and i think it's a good idea. we don't want this to be a hay day for attorneys to go in there and particularly unfriendly people to try to turn this into something that is going to be harassing something that's not going to be going smoothly. we have a lot of great people and we're looking forward to having this as the opening act and this is the first time that this is happening in four months , so we're very excited this is happening in our state of oklahoma, and i'm excited. i've talked to the president about this. i chair the senate arm services

committee, so i talked to him almost on a daily basis and he's been counting the days until we get here and he's excited. neil: i can understand that. senator you know, much has been made of where the back and forth goes on this with protesters, they're likely to be there as well. many of those who were supporting the president including some comments the president himself have made that protesters will not necessarily be treated like they have been in places like new york and by extension i guess some of these others where things got fairly heated. did you see that as a reminder that this will not be kind treatment against disorderly? >> yeah, i think some of the states, some of these other environments where people are protesting, the elected official s are afraid and they kind of get back and stand in the background, but we're not here and we're going to make

sure that we want friendly protests that's healthy and american and we won't tolerate any kind of activity that it's going to create a problem or a hazard to someone's health or prosperity but it's not going to happen. neil: senator while i have you here we'll be discussing throughout the show there was a big to-do last night with bill barr the attorney general was trying to fire the manchester district attorney jeffrey burman , and he wouldn't leave he's still in his post and its caused confusion can he do that? how do you feel about that? >> well i wasn't in on that because we're having our event preparing for this and i'm not sure what happened, but so i'm sorry i can't answer that. neil: all right, but it is unusual, right? for a president to want to get rid of somebody and the person doesn't go, could that set up a crisis? how does that work? >> it's something. this really bothers me too, because the president is pretty abrupt, if there's somebody he

doesn't like, if he doesn't think is really playing the way they should and he fires them. now, immediately a lot of them start getting hostile unfortunately. i was really surprised with, right now he wrote a book and all these things that are going on this happens when people get in this case, just get fired and i'll have to say this i'm a real fan of the president and i'm with him on a regular basis, but he is not someone whose going to be tolerant and sit around and wait and try to make everyone happy. he does it and gets by with it and look what he's done as a result of this. the attitude that he has. the economy that we're having. i often think about what would happen if this virus came when we started with an average economy? he gave us the best economy i've had in my lifetime and fortunately, that for us, that's when all this started, so i think we're going to survive

this thing when this is over. we look back and say that we're sure glad we had a president who is really, who had the country in good shape, and things are returning to normal, and everything is going to work out fine. neil: senator you kind of touch ed on john bolton's book which has created a whirl wind of controversy right now. the administration wants to pull it right now before it formally gets out but it's already out i think the judge in the case looking at it is sort of like putting the geneie back in the bottle. >> john bolton has been a good friend of mine for many many years and i've never seen him, the demeanor that we're seeing right now and of course you're having a lot of people who have read the book and are disclaiming things and accusing him of coming out with false accusations and things that are not documented knowing that there's a bunch of people out there that hate the president, that are going to buy the book

and try to glean from that information things that they can use to punish this president. you know, you have to admit you've never seen a group who primarily in the media, who just hate the president. they don't dislike him, they hate him and here he is, he's given us the best economy we've had, he's rebuilding the military doing all of the right things and yet, this book it just is a shocker to me, because i've known john bolton for many many years. i knew him quite well when he was the ambassador to the united nations. he is good, he's always been, but then something happened to him, they had to split and you know, the president makes up his mind and he does what's in the best interest of his administration and he's going to make this thing work and work great. i think the book is wrong and i think that people are, you know, people are coming out in droves disclaiming a lot of the accusations that are coming from that book. i haven't read it so i don't know. neil: all right, we'll see what happens.

it's the latest book. it's probably not going to be the last senator thank you very very much good having you. enjoy the rally tonight we'll be focusing on that rally and crowds there again a number of protesters as well all peaceful all good and for tonight in tulsa, all pretty much excited. stock slices. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500, even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50 instead of paying thousands. all commission free online. schwab stock slices: an easy way to start investing or to give the gift of stock ownership. schwab. own your tomorrow.

neil: all right competing beliefs as the police builds coming up out of democrats and republicans this week finding the middle ground on that to people law enforcement in place while at the same time practices that are at the very least controversial, and we're looking right now with the floyd family attorney, george floyd's family attorney ben krump. very good to have you, ben thank you for taking the time. what do you make of the efforts on capitol hill right now? what kind of things do you want to see them complete? >> well the hope is that we

would get real systematic reform to change the behavior of policing in america where we won't continue to see unnecessariable unjust it fridayable excessive killing of mostly black men in america,. neil: neil: so ben when you see this is really the shooting death of rayshard brooks, that that was compared to the george floyd case, and yet, even some of the movements most vocal members are saying there are very very big differences, when you examine that case, is it similar to the floyd case? >> well i think all the cases are unique. i know george floyd's case is unique when you watch that video of him face down in handcuffs i think the rayshard brooks case

is unique when you look at all the circumstances of that case, i think brianna taylor in louisville, kentucky is very unique, so, they are all different to answer your question directly but i think they all have a component in them that suggests when it's african americans the police seem to shoot first moreso than we do with white citizens and what we are saying is we want equal justice, equal treatment for all-american citizens. neil: well i guess what came up certainly in the brooks case as you know is that he fired a taser at the officers, and actually took it, wrestled it from him in the first place, george floyd never did anything like that and a lot of people

said that there was a rush to judgment or to try to make this another floyd case, so much so that ever since there have been reported sick-outs in atlanta among police officers, there's a growing anxiety among police officers nationwide that they are all being sort of paint ed with the same brush. what do you think? >> well i think this is a very contentious time when it comes to the whole issue of police use of force and i think i don't know as much about the facts in brooks case because i'm not representing that family, as i do about george floyd and others but i think we should all try to make sure that we examine all of the circumstances and i hope that's what the district attorney did because i've

advocated that we have to have due process of the law for everybody and that we want to have the fair administration of justice for all involved and what i have found is that normal ly, the police are going to be given every benefit of the doubt, every benefit of consideration and the things that i have found is that citizens of color are not always given that same due process, and so i think it should be fair for everybody. it should be fair for police officers just as much as i believe it should be fair for citizens whether they are black people, white people, brown people or red people. we have to make sure that when we quote thomas jefferson's words that all are created equally that we honor those words in america by saying we want equal consideration and

equal justice under the law for all americans. neil: do you think if you mentioned thomas jefferson then there's a move to remove the statues of the former president, and the same time that nancy pelosi has removed the portraits of at least four former speakers tied to the confederacy and that this is going too far. what are your thoughts on that? >> well i think we have to figure out how to honor people who have done things that are beneficial to society and if there are things that are beneficial to society that we can examine in the lens of having a broad view of what we believe as americans represents the best attributes of our national identity, then we should look at that. whether it should be a situation

where if we keep statues up like that, we tell the history of that individual so people will know the whole story and i'm not sure pulling the statues down is the right thing if we now don't get the lessons to understand how we can learn from those things so we don't repeat those mistakes of the past and they say we will also repeat it. neil: ben crump, thank you very much, george floyd's attorney handling that entire case and will lead that entire case we'll have a lot more on that case and the reverberation because obviously its effectedded not only taking down statues and portraits of the rest but also, the 2020 campaign, so much so, that joe biden is under increasing pressure and it looks like he will vow to take an african american and amy

klobuchar said it's a good idea, after this. you doing okay?

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♪ ♪ neil: all right i want to tell you something going on right now i believe in washington d.c. is this what's going on is the statue of a confederate general is being taken down hard to make out in this particular shot but this continues to trend as we go on around the country and we raised it with george floyd's lawyer the second he was saying, you know, this can get overdone, but it is still happening here. this is the same week of course we learned that nancy pelosi the speaker of the house was removing the portraits of four former speakers with ties to the confederacy and now, a push to remove any statues or portraits

recognizing thomas jefferson, of course the former president because anyway how far does this go we're looking at that but we're also looking at the political impact of all of this , because given the floyd situation, and the atlanta shooting a couple of weeks back now a lot of people are saying all the more reason for joe biden to have an african american woman on his ticket so much so that amy klobuchar who had made some final lists and follow-up lists and the the short list to be his runningmate so recognizing that maybe it be the better part for the former vice president to make sure that he has an african americans vice president should he become president, leigh carter on all of that and it is moving the needle certainly for democrat and i'm wondering what you make of it because it is certainly heightened that since emergency and i've talked to a number of leaders in the democratic party who are saying this has got to happen or

it will be huge disappointment what do you think? >> yeah, i think that there's no doubt that this is a moment that we want to see across-the-board, across the aisle, across america there is a movement where we want to see equality is a recognition that it hasn't been so 70% of americans right now say that they want to see people of color in positions of leadership and this is an issue and that goes across party lines. what amy klobuchar did i'm not even sure if she was in consideration but she did a couple things. she put the pressure on biden but also did something really interesting that maybe we're not thinking about as much as and i can't help but wonder if biden wasn't thinking about elizabeth warren very seriously before all of this happened, and before amy klobuchar made this move. i think that amy klobuchar might have made this move in addition wanting to support equality in that role, i think she also wanted to make sure that the party didn't go too far left and i think that was a very interesting chess move and i'm

reading into it a little bit but i think that is the case. there's also some very very qualified women of color that biden had to choose from and some of them had experience with the police, some have experience in the military so very interesting choice to make and i think if he doesn't choose a woman of color there's going to be a lot of questions as to why. neil: you know, up until the floyd case, you could make a credible argument that amy klobuchar was in that dwindling and narrowing of list of the potential runningmates and then that case changed everything but i'm wondering, i guess for the time being kamala harris of california comes up there, the california senator, and the presidential candidate whose already been fully vetted, so she would have that going for her versus a couple of other names mentioned not quite as well-known and the reason why i mention that with you, lee, is that democrats want to avoid, i'm told, a phenomenon where you

pick someone the public doesn't really know, and then the scrutiny begins and then you regret trying to go outside the box. how much of that could impact the thinking on the part of joe biden right now? >> i think playing it safe to do something like that and looking at somebody like susan rice who has been in the public eye, kamala harris has been in the public eye be sort of what you'd expect from joe biden, who talks about wanting somebody whose experience he likes but that be playing it what i'd call a little bit too comfortable though in this moment because i think kamala harris had baggage associated with her particularly as it pertains to black lives matter. she was a prosecutor and was part of what people would say is part of the problem why didn't she do more. there's some other very very qualified people if you think about tammy duckworth from illinois and a purple heart in iraq, lost both her legs in a crash, and a disabled veteran and born in thailand, and while she was a senator, she has a lot

of firsts associated with her and a phenomenonal speaker and i think could be very very interesting. if you think about some other people, val demmings, the police chief in orlando, but that could answer the problem that joe biden has because to de fund the police is actually quite unpopular despite what everybody is saying less than 30 % of americans want to see the police defunded. you had somebody like her in that role, who was the chief of police, and is now in congress, she argues the impeachment of trump before congress is one of the few that did that so we know what she's like as a speaker and i think she could be interesting as well, so i'm not so sure i would go to kamala harris. i don't think she is all that likable in many many ways i know it's a moment for the base overall, i think we need someone that's going to give biden some energy, some enthusiasm, because right now, he's not getting any attention and there's very

little enthusiasm, as much as people are talking about how well he's in the polls he is ahead by eight points in the polls right now if you look at the popularity of biden vs. trump it is within a margin of error. only 44% of people, 42% right now approve of the president only 44% approve of biden and we're talking about a very unpopular candidate despite everybody else and give him a boost. neil: all right, lee carter thank you very very much. and to lee's point another thing that comes up in those polls is really the worry if the other guy wins and that is dictating the course of these polls as well so we'll see how that goes but the vp pick is going to get a little bit more scrutiny because joe biden should he get elected be the oldest president by far that we've had, so a lot of people are saying well look at that number two, there could be easily be a number one, we have a lot more coming up not so much on the controversy around joe biden but i certain book by john bolton, after this.

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neil: all right, john bolton's book can come out as scheduled on tuesday, a judge has just ruled that the president's former national security advisor who has a tell-all barn burner of a book better than 500 pages which rips the president from beginning to end and also incorporates some key members of the administration, many of whom

are denying a lot of the allegations and comments made in that book that be that as it may the geanie was out of the bottle anyway when the book was being sent to the wall street journal, the washington post, too late to stop it from happening so it will be happening and it will be out on tuesday. lelandvittard with more on that i guess the judge telegraphed this. had none of this come out it would have been one thing but so much of it already has. reporter: the judge was telegraphing it by saying the horse was out of the barn so to speak but unprecedented for the united states government the department of justice to seek a temporary restraining order to keep a book from coming out prior restraint is one of the highest levels of curtailing freedom of speech and this is what the judge has to say about the book the room where it happened. john bolton has gambled with the national security of the united states and exposed his country to harm and himself to civil and potential criminal liability but these facts do not

control the motions before the court and the government has failed in the judge's words to establish that an injunction will prevent irreparable harm and much of the discussion and arguments on friday was about the fact that the book has already shipped, its already on the top seller list on amazon and neil as you pointed out many of the most juicy details is leaked to every news organization that seems to have a copy. this is not the only place where the department of justice is in a debate and a fight with people who cause the president headaches. jeffrey burman is the attorney for the u.s. southern district of new york and has open investigations into tumultuous associates continuing. late last night the attorney general bill barr announced he had stepped down which was apparently news to mr. burman, who tweeted i have not resigned and have no intention to resign and i will step down when a presidential nominee is confirm ed by the senate until

then our investigations will move forward with or without delay or interruption. so it's unclear, neil, how this ends, because the u.s. attorney serves at the pleasure of the president, not necessarily at the pleasure of the attorney general, so president trump could fire him, barr announced the head of the sec would replace burman, but right now, he isn't leaving and you had a senator on earlier who made the point president trump can fire who he wants and often does so quite quickly when he gets upset with people but this does bring up the very important issue of what is it going to look like if you fire a u.s. attorney in the middle of an investigation. one thing when it comes from the attorney general another thing if it comes from the president. neil: wow all right, leland, thank you very much my friend and leland is coming up right after the show with his broadcast and i want to check in with the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, andrew mccarthy knows that court very very well first if you don't

mind the judge's ruling on the book, it's out so it's coming out, tuesday, i'm not stopping it what did you make of that? >> i think maybe neil i don't know about you but you and i maybe the only two people in america who don't have the book already so it must have been, it was pretty easy call for the judge. neil: i wonder if that played a role that hey look, the horse is out of the bar, whatever, you know, cliche you want to use that is what kind of decided this. >> we don't like prior restraints in our law anyway and the more interesting question has always been what will they do civil or criminally with bolton, but doj i don't think seriously thought they could keep this book from being published because bolton was the only one they sued, they didn't sue simon and shuster or go after any of the other distributors so i think this was pretty baked in the cake. neil: let's talk a little bit

about this administration and certainly the attorney wanted to fire jeffrey burman, the manhattan southern district attorney and the guy won't go, says he doesn't have to go. where does this go? >> well it's a peculiar situation because president trump did not appoint burman. he was basically brought in by attorney general sessions on an appointment basis and when they didn't do a permanent appointment, there's a provision in federal law that allows the court to appoint a u.s. attorney until the president appoints one so that's burman's status and the fact of the matter is the attorney general, it's usually presumed he's speaking for the president but every u.s. attorney, there are 94 federal districts in the country , every u.s. attorney has a presidential appointee and the attorney general does not have the power to fire a u.s. attorney, but the president

does so if president trump wants burman out president trump can fire him but that doesn't mean, neil president trump will be able to get his own guy in there because it's a senate- appointed position and that's always been a problem for the president in new york where there are two democratic senators and both pretty hostile to the president. neil: so even if the president were to say all right, burman you're fired, would he have to go then? it's one thing for the attorney general to try it but if the president did it he'd have to go , right? >> yeah, well the statute says that basically he can stay until the president's nominee is seated but as a matter of constitutional law, no officer of the executive branch gets to stay if the president doesn't want him so if the president fires him he's gone. neil: all right because i'm going to try that here. if someone tries to fire me i'm just staying i'm not going.

go ahead you have to physically drag me out of here but i don't want to give people any ideas that's a separate thought. >> let me know how that works out for you though. neil: yeah i have a feeling i know exactly how it works, but anyway, he did put out a statement saying that i will step down when a presidentially- appointed nominee is confirmed by the senate. until then, to your point he said our investigation will move forward without delay or interruption and those investigations by the way include those of rudy giuliani who himself was running the southern district court of new york. it's just bizarre what do you make of this? >> well let me tell you this having worked with the southern district of new york for 20 years and neil we like to call it the sovreign district of new york. those investigations will continue regardless of whether jeff burman hangs on or not. that's a very independent-minded

office with a long tradition of investigating both republicans and democrats and those investigations are being run by very good prosecutors who have a chain of command and they will continue to run whether burman is there or not. burman is relying on the statute which suggests that he can stay until the president has a new appointee, but the statute has the constitution as far as that's concerned. he can't stay if the president fires him. if the president fires him and wants him gone, all executive power flows through the president, so he has to go but again that doesn't mean trump will be able to get his own guy in because the senate would still have to confirm. neil: you're right about that. it be a multi-layered process to put it mildly and thank you, have a wonderful father's day my friend thank you as always for helping me out on these legal matters and enduring these questions you have to get from me. all right we have a lot more coming up here, some of you have already let me know that if they

told you to go, neil, you're going to go. why do you think i'm going to go we have this , we also have by the way an update on this rally that's planned for tonight in tulsa. another big story on this is the fear of infection, and a doctor says that it's not over blown, what you have to watch out for when a lot of people are crammed together inside an arena, after this. the guitar intro to your favorite song.

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neil: you know, we look at the crowds that will gather tonight in tulsa, and you heard the drill a lot of people saying they are going to be in danger and tulsa is so crammed together in an indoor space, you know, they were not quite the same amount of concerns raised when there were protesters gathered by the hundreds of thousands across the country in cities across the country, a lot of the folks come back and say yeah , but we were outside. be that as it may doctors worry inside or outside without many

people crammed together there are worries and signs of spikes in cases where states are reopening, and maybe some of them considering slowing down that reopening the chief strategy officer right now formation health at the university of washington is with us, doctor thank you for taking the time. if you don't mind, sir, i'd like to begin with tulsa and just advice you might have for the 19 or 20,000 who will be in that arena tonight to hear the president. he separately is addressing an outside group as well i understand, but your advice to them. >> thank you for having me and i heard the previous session so i hope you don't go meet people like me, thank you, so my advice be wear a mask. please wear your mask because we know masks are very effective at reducing the transmission of the virus. neil: so a lot of people will pass on that even among trump adminitration officials, i know a number of them will wear masks

but for example, kayleigh mcenany, the white house press, will not, and does that send a bad signal or in this environment, it's okay, what do you think? >> it sends a bad signal. we have to be realistic, there are two camps people are saying we need to save the economy because it will have have a big effect on the health of them and people but these two camps can get there and by wearing a mask you can save lives and the economy, so we need to send a clear message for everybody and those that have used them they have been able to control the pandemic much better than others. neil: doctor, do you worry about another surge? i think dr. fauci said we're still in the first surge, others have said what's going on in states like alabama, florida, north carolina and south carolina is reflective of the natural order of events, when people are desheltering that you're going to see a spike

so these are all acceptable spike, are they acceptable spike s to you? >> there will be outbreaks from the social distancing and we have to contain them by early diagnosis and testing and tracing and isolation so that's what happens in that dynamic but yes, i'm concerned about the second wave because you know from the virus' behavior, it is coming down right now in the summer, and it will start picking up in september so we have to be very careful. neil: all right, dr. thank you very much, i hope you have a wonderful father's day, sir and thanks for all you're doing to look after folks and it's just legion among all of your colleagues just looking after us and we really are grateful for that so thank you. >> thank you, neil. neil: have a wonderful weekend. we are also following this big battle now going after big techs you know a lot of conservatives say they really are anti- conservatives. steve moore actually agrees that a lot of their positions are

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>> at a minimum they need to be more transparent and consistent and if they're not going to offer that kind of transparency and consistency and if they are going to engage in carefully moderating the content they provide and opinions they don't like even when those opinions garner a majority support repeatedly at the polls and surveys they ought not to enjoy the extraordinary immunity from liability the laws have given them. neil: all right, republican lawmakers say these big social

media concerns like google, twitter, facebook they all hate conservatives and conservative thoughts and they over-police it and on that count former trump economic advisor steve moore readily agrees with them, but where he parts with them is the need to go after to the point that you might be throwing the financial baby out with the badswater he joins us right now so steve, your premise is the bias is alive and well that's very much the case, but your willy-nilly going after these guys all-american success stories and the envy of the world, it could boomerang, did i get that essentially right >> [laughter] well neil i couldn't put it better than that. i think you're exactly right and that is my position. it's not like wow, some folks like tom cotton whose a someone i greatly admire in the senate is attacking some of these tech companies, and on the other side of the aisle you have people like elizabeth warren from massachusetts, the senator there , whose basically saying break up big tech that wants to go after them on an anti-trust fund so they are getting

attacked by all sides and one of the points i've been making is number one, there is no way we could have gotten through this pandemic. our economy be flat on its back were it not for the marlboro of our technology industries and that starts with the ones at the top companies like amazon and apple and google but it filters down by the thousands and thousands of companies that really made this recovery possible. everything from delivering our food and i wouldn't be talking to you right now if it weren't for the incredible technology innovations we have in this country, but there's another point that i hope that some of my conservative friends will think about is that if we break up google or apple or amazon or facebook or some of these microsoft whose going to benefit the most from that? obviously china will. they've got big big companies like huawei and tik toc which would love to see our government break up our big companies because they would take over

some of that technological leadership. neil: you know, looking at these stocks also played a key role in leading our market back. are you worried by the way the markets gone too far too fast? >> you know, i'm a little bit worried about it i am. i don't know if i'd be selling stocks right now, neil, but i certainly wouldn't be buying them. i think we have a tough road ahead and we're running ahead of schedule in terms of where i thought the recovery be. those jobs numbers are great the retail numbers are great but this we did some serious damage to our economy through the shutdown, but you're right these technology companies have really led the way in terms of the stock market. by the way if you've seen, neil what the unemployment rate in the tech sector, we have what a 13% unemployment rate nationally , but in the tech sector it's about 3% or 4% so there are major major jobs but i do want to say i've got to get this off my chest. neil: real quick. >> i do think the political leanings of these tech companies

is very problematic. 90% of the ceo's give money to liberal organizations, and they -- neil: i've got it people are going to rip me for doing this i have to say goodbye, steve. goodbye, steve. when you walk into an amazon fulfillment center, it's like walking into the chocolate factory and you won a golden ticket. all of these are face masks. this looks like a bottle of vodka. but when we first got these, we were like whoa! [laughing] my three-year-old, when we get a box delivered, screams ... safe every single day.

>> all right. the president is getting ready for a big rally in tulsa, oklahoma tonight. this when he received some maybe disappointing news on the john bolton book front, but the judge in that case where the administration was trying to stop it from getting out, even though so many people have gotten it and read it, the judge recognized the obvious, the horse out of the barn, the genie out of the bottle, whatever cliche you want to use. tuesday it's officially out. and meanwhile, getting ready for the big rally, whether the president addresses bolton or a variety of other fronts. john roberts is looking at

that. >> good morning to you from tulsa where we're on one of many streets surrounding the bank of oklahoma center the new arena where the president will be speaking where thousands of supporters have been gathering for hours and some for a couple of days. and if the photographer can jack up the camera a little bit and take-- [cheers] >> you can see the tremendous amount of enthusiasm here, clearly it's the first time that the president has been back out on the campaign trail since march. and i want to bring in kathy here, she drove all the way from wichita, kansas. why did you want to be here today? >> this is like a kickoff. i want to be here to support his first appearance of the next four years. >> of course, there were health concerns with the covid-19 pandemic raging. what are your concerns for this? >> well, i probably will put a mask on if people are close to me, but i'm not real worried because it seems like it's kind

of died down. and i am in the age group of risk, and probably my family is more worried than me. >> take the precautions you can. >> i will. >> kathy, good to talk to you and enjoy the rally. one of the things that the organizers of the rally and the trump campaign has done. they've made available face masks and hand sanitizer and take their thermometers before they go into the oklahoma center the glass building there. they had seen a spike in cases here in oklahoma the last couple of days, and back down now. still a lot of of concern that, i mean, this many people together, the same places at the same time. and it holds almost 20,000 people, may lead to an event where i don't want to say super spreader event, but i know that the health commissioner is concerned about that. and a lot of other people concerned about that as well. but this really will, neil, have a test case for the trump

campaign going forward whether or not you can have big rallies like this. you mentioned earlier, a million people have requested tickets for this. i think a lot of that was probably a show of support because clearly a million people were not going to come to tulsa to try to get in, but holds 19,000. there's the outdoor experience where thousands more people can see the broadcast from inside and we understand, too, when the president gets here at about 5:00 eastern time, that he will be speaking and 6:00, 7:00 eastern time. he will be speaking to the outdoor event and then go inside to the bok center. the president has been itching to get out here for a long time. he felt he had momentum in his campaign before the coronavirus hit and he's been forced to basically stay in the white house for time, although he's made trips to florida and bedminster last weekend. neil, the president hopes this

will be the beginning of the resumption of the campaign and the campaign will be looking at what happens in the days ahead to see if there's an increase in cases or whether or not people could actually be here safely this close together because you can see they're fairly jammed close together. nobody wearing masks here, but they're going to take as many precautions as they say they can to pull it off safely and i think it will determine what happens going forward. neil: i hear it on authority, the crowd is there for you, john, they heard you would be there and said, wow, come on, let's get there. >> i think they were expecting the other john roberts. [laughter]. neil: all right, thank you. you are our broadcast justice as well. john roberts in tulsa. we told you earlier in the broadcast that the attorney general of the united states tried to fire jeffrey berman. he is the manhattan district attorney, but berman indicated no, i won't go, you can't fire

me. the president indicated right now he's got a replacement and so far, we hear at least at this point, that the senate judiciary committee chairman lindsey graham supports the president's decision to nominate jay clayton to be the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. that will involve the president though having to formally make the move to tell berman to get out of there because if berman wasn't listening to the attorney general of the united states, the legal experts telling me on this show that he has to listen to the president. so we'll see. with us right now on all of this is arizona republican congressman andy biggs. congressman on this back and forth, whether or not he can fire mr. berman. it's quite another thing when the president says he has to go. >> once the president weighs in

and says he's got to go, he's got to go. if he's professional at all he would have gone when the attorney general told him he had to go. when the president says you have to go,'s got to go. there's going to be a replacement and you can't have-- you can't have two and so the old guy's got to get out of there. neil: you know, a lot of people are saying is this guy being targeted because he's been investigating trump association, including rude why -- rudy giuliani and does that complicate things and does it make it suspicious? >> there's not a way that the president can win ever. look, from top to bottom, the president has tried to clean house and clean the swamp up and every time he goes, he's run into the roadblocks. this is just another roadblock and that particular statement, i've heard it as well, what it

indicates to me not that we're dealing with the real issues here, what we're doing is seeing red herrings. it doesn't matter, he's an at-will employee to the president of the united states and he needs to go. neil: all right. back to the president's rally tonight in tulsa. there were a lot of concerns, as you know, people being cautious and wear masks and hard to do, in a crowded arena. you're not stranger in your state, sir, to a spike in cases. are you worried about, forget tulsa, just what's happening in your state, of a second wave of a spike that we can't plan on? >> we've talked about it and it doesn't have to happen. i trust the american people to be responsible. you know, you get in this big crowd today and i think that many will wear masks and choose to be as distant as possible. now what, neil? in a free society, people get

to choose and make these decisions and they take the risks. they understand there's going to be risk and i think it's the elected official's job to remind them, hey, there's risk here, you need to understand that. i'm not overly concerned with a second wave, i'll say this if we go to a lockdown because people are concerned about a second wave, what's going to happen, you're going to see the other public health issues that we've seen soar, are going to skyrocket again. i'm talking everything from suicides to people not getting their chemotherapy, to people not getting their cancers detected and start treatment of that, brain surgeries were on hold. i mean, a whole plethora of problems that grew because of the lockdown and i don't want to see that happen either. neil: real good. i know you are moving with other republicans to get police reform or something that would reform departments, that their actions on choke holds and the rest. democrats say the plan panel

out of the senate with tim scott doesn't go far enough. both seem very far apart. where do you see this going? >> the far apart, the democrats' purpose here, a rear guard action to emasculate police and in effect, nationalize it. we could go in detail and that's what they're doing. their radical base wants to defund and eliminate police departments and they're not running away from that. what they're doing is rear guard action because they know that's unpopular with the american people. and what i think the president with his executive order is trying to give space to the local and state jurisdictions to make changes where they need to be made. the democrats, they want to basically emasculate the entire local and state police force. neil: all right. we'll see what happens. congressman, always going seeing you. hope you have a wonderful father's day. >> thank you. neil: we'll hear from ben carden on this police reform

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>> bolton is still jolten. the book it on. a judge ruled that the book, in the room where it happened, a very controversial sort of blistering view of everyone and everything around the president, including the president, can go ahead and release as scheduled on tuesday, but, but it wasn't a complete pass. even though he said with hundreds of thousands of copies around the globe, this is the judge, in many of the news room, the damage is done. there's no restoring the status quo, this coming from judge royce lambert. but in a 10-page opinion he also suggested that mr. bolton could be in jeopardy of losing the $2 million advance he got on the book as the justice department had separately requested, that was another request, and that he could be

prosecuted. that is bolton, for allowing the book to be published before final notice in a pre publication review process that apparently wasn't complete. in other words, he jumped the gun in the approval process and rushed this out. so the book comes out, doesn't get any dough for it or at least any of the rest of the dough, the $2 million advance, might not be so black and white. we have ben cardin with us, esteemed senator from maryland. you're aware of this, the book is coming out because it's already out. everybody is knows what he's saying. what do you think? >> well, neil, first of all, i can understand the judge's opinion, i think it makes common sense this book is going to come out. we're disappointed that mr. bolton didn't talk a little bit earlier about this. in the united states senate, why didn't he come forward earlier with a lot of this

information that's included in this book? so we're disappointed he didn't stand up for principles earlier. neil: so the fact that both sides are ripping bolton, but selecting the kind of things that they kind of agree with bolton or challenge bolton on, obviously, it's going to be a run away best seller. but it's really the latest tell-all book for this administration. the president has called mr. bolton a wacko and other things, similar that he used to other top officials in his administration and not so top officials who have come back to criticize him or write disparadi disparaging memoirs himself. what do you think about that. >> there are those who served close to the president, they told their viewers that the president didn't want to hear. as a result they were promised and ultimately had to leave.

i think it's just extremely unfortunate that the president does not want to hear different views and there were some very distinguished people who decided to serve our nation and even though they had challenges with this president and now are being really demeaned by the president of the united states. and that's just terribly unfortunate, but we know how president trump operates. he wants people around him who are basically yes people and it's unfortunately that we've seen over and over again what happens in the confines of the white house, which is not what a president of the united states should be doing. neil: well, we should obviously say the president disavowed a lot of these row marks and the fact that he was sucking up to the chinese president in order to extract more purchases of chinese goods. we could go on and on about that, but it occurs within the same roughly 48 hour time frame as we got news that the attorney general want today fire jeffrey berman in the manhattan district attorney's

office. berman won't go so it would likely mean that the president would formally have to fire berman. what do you think of this? >> as ambassador bolton said, there were many more examples of obstruction of justice by this president and here we see another example where he's trying to obstruct justice. it's out ray go us -- it's outrageous. that it could be conducted without the political interference of the president of the united states. it's wrong for the president to interfere with the independent department of justice. neil: all of this occurs at a time, polls vary all over the map, senator, but the trend shows joe biden leading. and a consistent trend.

and now the pressure on joe biden to find an african-american female to complete his ticket, do you first of all agree with that that he has to find an african-american female? >> well, i think that mr. biden needs to select someone he can work with, someone who is fully qualified to be president of the united states. s' already indicated it will be a female. there are a lot of good people out there. i think he has to make that judgment, recognizing that this individual could very well be-- step away from the presidency of the united states. neil: you know, kamala harris' name has come up many, many times as you know, your colleague from california, senator, and now what could hurt her chances, she was a tough prosecutor, put a lot of african-americans in jail and while that might win over the law and order crowd, it might not win over those who have had it with police department's overreach and abuse and all of that. is the party at risk, senator of going so far left,

particularly on, you know, crime and related issues, and going after police departments that it could actually hurt joe biden, not help him? >> well, senator harris is a very qualified person and certainly qualified as president or vice-president of the united states. her career in law enforcement as a prosecutor shows her sensitivity to many of the issues that you see playing out today in discrimination in our system and she's the author, along with senator booker, of the comprehensive justice in policing act, which i think is the right way to go. not only the right policies, not only the right values for america, but you see in recent polling by the majority of the people of this country. so i think the democrats, if joe biden selected kamala harris as his running mate, you would have a person who i believe would add strength to that ticket and help us in

those numbers. neil: all right. we'll watch closely, senator. i hope you have a wonderful father's day. politics always beyond that, so i wish you well and your family. >> thank you, sir. >> neil, it's always good to be with you. stay my friend. neil: pan touching on the party's relationship with the police and law and order and that sort of thing. a florida restaurant owner decide today do something novel. now what? i'm sick and tired of hearing this police bashing. you, officers have a safe haven here. when he used the safe haven term people went nuts on social media, but a good nuts. i'll explain. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500, even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50

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>> all right. is this a case of fighting fire with fire? welcome back, i'm neil neil and we're looking at a tampa restaurant owner who had it with attacks on police. he made it known you're welcome here, a safe haven here. that created an online fury, target that restaurant, never ever go to it. and others said target that restaurant and definitely go to it and the latter is overwhelmingly winning. ron is joining us, the owner of the fresh grill, i should say. good to have you back, ron. well, you stuck to your guns, no pun intended, and it's definitely helped. i mean, not only did law enforcement seek you out, but a lot of people supporting law enforcement sought you out, as well as those who even support the protests. how did you do that?

>> get up off their chairs. i made them get off their chairs and get busy. we've had an enough. and i've got my navy buddies, gave me a hard time not mentioning them. the keyboard warriors, i said put the keyboards down and get your checkbook out. and by the way, we've got a $5,000 donation from one citizen that just like, just blew us away. $5,000 and it's been. ever since we talked the other day, i feel like you and i are bff's we talked so much lately. [laughter] >> the response was amazing, at a time you weren't bashing protesters, you were saying, wait a minute, let's cool it on bashing cops and just that alone and standing by the cops and saying, they're not all bad, they have a haven here,

they're welcome for a meal here, that kind of ignited a fire, didn't it? >> it certainly did, but you know, the truth is, if i were to say that i bought yellow petunias as a gift for my dog because my dog loves yellow petunias, i am a racist. and it's like i can make that into-- that's why businesses are cowering in. there's nothing racist-- beating up 0 on law enforcement, the morale right now is so bad, the morale in the police departments. forgive me for saying police departments, there's sheriffs, and highway patrol and we were brought up saying police departments, but it's just got to stop. i mean, they could get triggered off the simplest

thing and call you racist and the companies say we're going to-- and mrs. butterworth, i think she's an a great symbol for history, and she's been around forever, and they murdered here, mrs. butterworth. neil: when you look at people who come into the restaurant now and they can agree or disagree with symbols that don't carry as much support as they used to, but you were getting at something more fundamental. i just wonder when customers come in whether they're big on law enforcement or not, they felt you were going to be targeted by protesters and others, but that never panned out, right? >> yeah, yeah, fortunately, no one's ever actually showed up to fulfill their threats against us and you know, that's nice. a little sanity maybe kicked in there, and realized okay, this

is not the best business to attack or game plan. nothing i said was meant to stir up trouble with racism or anything else, it's just my encouragement to law enforcement officers to keep their morale up. look at atlanta right now, i don't know how the poor guys in atlanta are still coming to work every day. it's just, it's disgusting that paul howard has brought charges against an officer for doing his job. en it's unfortunate whenever there's a death involved, but you know, and these guys are talking about a july 4th blue flu and please don't, people out here need you on the job. neil: sick-out. and the officers come in and what do they tell you? >> they're thankful and so appreciative. as you see in some of the pictures, we've had quite a few

come in since all of this started and they're just like, thank you so much. thank you so much. we need it, the morale is so bad. we just appreciate everything you're doing and it's been great. you know, we got our first other business to put a gold shield in the window just this morning on the way here i dropped off a gold shield. so, yeah, yeah, so kudos to the cozy coffee cafe in temple terrace for being the first one. neil: they're all following. ron, we'll watch it very, very closely. thank you very much. ron ignoring the calls to say that all police are bad, all of them have to be defunded or see their funds limited. he stepped in to say enough is enough. food for thought. more after this. to brain bet? unlike ordinary memory supplements neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus,

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>> all right. a little bit of drama in seattle's occupied zone. the latest right now from dan springer who joins us from seattle. dan. >> yeah, neil, details are sketchy, but i can tell you i just talked with the residents in this area who live just outside this chop zone and he said, quote, this was bound to happen. we do know there was a shooting last night and two people were hit and one person was killed. beyond that, details, as i said, seattle police are putting out little information. and we have some sound from the

police department's dispatch as they were responding to the shots being fired. take a listen. >> saying that a male is running towards the restrooms of the previous location with a gun, and possible gunshots heard. we have a report of a victim shot outside rancho bravo. >> so here is what i've been able to put together after that call was put out by dispatch. seattle police did in fact go to the area a couple of blocks from where we are. seattle police confirmed, a source, told that they tried to get into the chop zone to get to the victim. at least one person shot at 10th and pine, which is again, just a couple of blocks away. they tried to get to that victim, but then they were basically attacked by an angry mob. there were people throwing stuff at them. they were never able to get to that victim so they got back

out. so, these medics who are inside this chop zone actually ended up taking that victim to the local hospital where he was pronounced dead later on that morning. later on after that first shooting, there was a second shooting, about 20 minutes later, about a block away from the initial shooting, and we understand that that person is still alive. we don't know the condition, but again, what i can tell you, neil, is that two people were shot. police were never able to get to the victims because the crowd pushed them back, made it impossible for them or the fire department to get inside to render aid. remember, just this week, we were told by seattle officials that they made a compromise with the people inside this chop zone that they should be able to now get in and out with their emergency vehicles, they shrunk down this chop zone from seven blocks down to three. they put in blockades so they can put vehicles in and out and traffic, motor traffic is now allowed in this area, but last night, when it was important for them to get to a victim,

they were not able to do it because of the crowd. neil. neil: incredible, dan. thank you for that update on that. i want to go to frank luntz on this, because it could be a game changer in terms of protest movements and the like and whether this crowd prevented, you know, lives from being saved. frank luntz, i mean, you never know with these things, a lot of details we're still waiting to hear, but it's going to add to the debate and the law and order debate that the president wants to make, a focus no doubt tonight in tulsa, what do you think? >> with the president, i'm going to be live tweeting as this goes on, the president should not be using the language law and order. that's language of richard nixon, language. '68 campaign, you talk about it, but you don't say it. the president should be talking about public safety. it's what americans want, it's what americans need and it's only a slight shift from law and order, but when people think of law and order, they think of tough tactics by the

police. when thing of public safety they think of their own security, their neighborhoods, their homes, their businesses and neil, i'm not convinced that the president has the right tone and the right message. it is very smart that he's going to speak tonight and a lot of people, i think he's going to get the highest ratings, fox news is covering it, this is going to be the highest saturday fox news program i think in a long, long time, but if the president is only talking to his supporters, then he will not be reaching the critical swing vote, which is going to determine who wins and loses and one more thing, neil, we are still weeks and weeks and months away from the election. yes, i do believe the president is behind and he can yell and scream about the polls. what i tell viewers is dump the poll that shows him furthest behind. dump the poll that shows him closest to biden, both sides and then take an average.

the president needs speeches like tonight to bring him back up to where he's competitive and to put him in a place, in a position to win. neil: you know, back to seattle, frank. the president could argue and we'll have to see, you're right it's all how he says it. i warned the seattle mayor, warned the government in washington state what happens when you let protesters take over or control a zone, if we're to believe the reports, prevent police from getting in and addressing, you know, real immediate concerns. and they didn't listen. and this is what happens when the inmates run the asylum. i'm wondering how that resonates or if it resonates or if we've moved on. what do you think? >> not that phrase. that phrase got the owner of the houston texans in a boatload of trouble when he made a comment and he didn't mean it that way, but he used that phrase and he got into

awful trouble. yes, you are correct, but the best thing the president can do and i don't know if he'll do it or not sto show video of him saying this a week ago, 10 days ago, two weeks ago. i don't know why he doesn't use examples of what he said and then you show the reality. because in the end, that video is actually more credible than him claiming it himself. look, he controlled the media during covid-19. he's controlled the media since we've had the protests. but why haven't his numbers gone up? because the words and phrases that he uses has not been effective amongst swing voters. he is as popular as ever among his base. they love him. the cheering that you're going to see tonight is going to be incredible and seattle does play a role. but it is better for him to show it than it is for him to say it. it's better for him to use video evidence than it is for

him to claim it. this is an issue of finesse. seattle matters. what's happening up there scares the heck out of people across the country, but neil, in the end, it's what-- it's not what you say, it's what people hear. neil: you know, he's been very popular with his base as you've pointed out. and interesting with some of these polls, stirring up not passion for the candidate or in joe biden's case, the lack of it. and i wonder if this changes the dynamics of this campaign? >> there is a lot of fear. i agree with you, that the people that are going to decide the election really don't like either candidate. and the question becomes which candidate do they dislike more and which candidate can they tolerate and this is something that the president doesn't want to hear and something that biden has been very good about. joe biden has stayed away from the press. he's stayed away from this kind

of interaction, and trump is now embracing it. but in the end, it is not going to be that 40% that love him to death, and it's not going to be the 40% that hate him. it's going to be decided by 6% of americans that are still undecided and those undecided dislike both candidates and the question is, which one to attributes, not issues, neil, attributes, which one can prove they'd be the better president. neil: very interesting. well said. we shall see. and maybe a first hint of that ne we hear the president. frank luntz, thank you for that. we'll have the latest on the reopening around the country, after the coronavirus. and nebraska as well, that state's governor on phase three that starts monday after this. i am in so much debt.

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>> all right. and you can go ahead and publish your darn book, but frankly, there's a second matter whether you should get paid for it. that's a reading from the judge that okayed john bolton's book where it happened, a rip-roaring account of his days as the president's national security advisor. effectively the judge said the genie is out of the bottle, it's already there but, but, but he did hold out the possibility if john bolton violated security clearance agreements with the white house and the publicist too soon he could lose his $2 million advance on this book to which the president responded with the twitter delight, he says with the book already given out and leaked to many people in the media, nothing the highly respected judge can have done about stopping it. strong and powerful statements

and ruling on money and classification made. and bolton has been called out and rebuked, with a big price to pay. he likes bombs dropping on people and killing them and now bombs dropped on him. and governor pete ricketts, reopening his state, this is opening right now. if you'll indulge on the john bolton book and the judge saying effectively go out and enjoy, but i don't know about that $2 million advance. >> you know, this is way above my pay grade. i've been following the story, but not the law case and, you know, it's something that's going to have to play out and see where this all goes. what's actually in the book and whether it's actually violating the security clearances. neil: a lot of people are saying the latest tell-all book

from a former staffer or high ranking official in the trump white house and that it could reverberate this in an election year. other books have not. do you think this goes anywhere? >> you know, again without having read the book it's tough to say. i think what the president needs to do is focus on his record. we've had the best economy we've had in this country a long, long time before the pandemic hit and now we're grappling with the coronavirus. i think these are things that the public is really going to care about. without knowing the content of the book, i couldn't tell you what's going to happen with that. i think that people are going to care more about what is happening with their pocketbooks right now. neil: i think you're probably right. and you don't take the easy politician route and just easily comment. something about you, governor. let me step back on the coronavirus situation and how we're coming out of this. that probably will have a far,

far bigger impact how americans vote and how it's handled. there have been concerned about spikes in cases a few in your state as well, but not enough to really change plans for reopenings. i believe your phase three reopening is still on. how do you think it's going? >> so far we're doing very well here in nebraska. we've really tried to strike the balance between slowing the spread of the virus and allow people to have a more normal life. our hospitalizations are at the lowest point they've been since the end of april and yesterday, the numbers just came out, we've got the lowest unemployment rate in the country. we've been working. we're one of the states that didn't put a shutdown order in place, a stay-at-home order. we closed selected businesses and we are at greater risk. and we've been talking sentence to get people to follow the rules of scattered showering and slow the spread of the virus so we could build up our testing and contact tracing and ppe, the plans we've got in place to protect at risk communities and quarantine space. that's been successful so far

and as you know with the virus, it's going to be here for a while and we've got to manage it until we've got effective treatments or a vaccine. >> so, nothing changes your openings and where they go. there have been some states with sporadic strikes and some more severe, arizona, south carolina, k in, texas of course. some are relatively table, but are you worried about that? >> the thing we have to remember, the virus nobody has selective immunity to. now that we've got, for example, robust testing and contact tracing, the idea is to get on top of the outbreaks quickly. get the people who are affected to isolate and find the people they've been in contact with and quarantine and manage this until we have the effective treatment or vaccine. this is something we'll do the blocking of epidemiology for the foreseeable future. we can't shut down while doing

it, we have to take steps to allow people to a more normal life. people are tired of the restrictions and we've got to find the balance, what is that going toboggan able-- going to be obviously to balance it. >> a lot of doctors say it goes case by case basis. dr. saffir and what she says and the alarms that she's hearing after this. payment res to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today. for ralphie's appointment. who's his groomer? carrie. full groom for sure what? i just booked ralphie's appointment online. that work? wait you what? it's that easy! download the app or book online at petsmart.com

>> it is special. father days are specials just like mother's day. you want to spend it with their family and you'll want to with us. we'll wish them the best to

have a father's day orbiting the planet. we love them very much and hopefully spend the next father's day with them. >> all right. that was from my chat earlier in the week with my fellow astronauts. [laughter] >> all right. played one on tv. they're celebrating their first father's day in space. they're out of chores. and when you're up, it's too time when families gather and dr. nicole saffir what they have to do when they do gather. we have to be cognizant of that, don't we, doctor? >> absolutely. father's day just like mother's day is a time of togetherness ap family getting together, but in the era of covid-19 it's important that we keep our fathers safe, especially as we have learned a lot that males

actually tend to be a little bit more severely affected by covid-19 than the female counterparts. but there are some things that we can do to make sure that we keep our fathers and our entire family safe. it's the first day of summer and people are getting together. try to be outside as much as possible. don't be sharing food and drink. try and limit physical interaction. make sure you're doing hand hygiene. if the father is elderly or has chronic illness maybe consider wearing a mask if the entire family hasn't been tested. but i still implore people to try and get together because that physical connection, just being together is so crucial and nursing homes at this point have started being creative on how they can get their residents to actually be seeing some of their family and getting some of those visitors. neil: you know, doctor, this event in tulsa, oklahoma. you've heard the back and forth, is it a good idea for

19,000 people to be crammed into an indoor arena, are they taking precautions. if you advise them should they all wear masks, what should they be doing? >> neil, we're in the thick of it. now would i say that gets tens of thousands of people indoors right now is a good idea? no, i wouldn't necessarily say that's not a good idea. i'm not for large gatherings outdoor either. the truth is again there are precautions you can take to limit the spread of viral transmission. one being wearing a mask. that's the best thing you can do right now, especially if you're going to be in tight quarters, if people are going to be yelling and chanting and singing. we've already seen outbreaks in terms of choir practices and churches so we know this is a way that clusters occur. so masks, hand hygiene, hand sanitizer. my biggest concern is that people are going to be there and then they're going to leave, interstate travel, they're going back home and neil, let me tell you, we do

have rising cases with you the hospitalizations and deaths are not going up the same way. neil: we've got to be careful. doctor, i don't want to jump on you, we'll be monitoring that, hope everyone has a wonderful father's day. be safe though, be wise.

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>> and a look at tulsa, oklahoma where president trump supporters are lining the street. we are now just hours away from the president's first rally since the coronavirus pandemic began. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm alicia acuna in denver. leland: alicia, good to be with you: john bolton's book will hit shelves tuesday. the judge denied the department's request. we'll dig into that. first, john roberts is outside the rally where he's found