the entire event. we don't know the breakdown of all of the members here. amid criticism of the size of the crowd and all of that, far more important is the health and safety of those involved. we will have more on this with "the five," which is now. ♪ >> jesse: hello everybody. i'm jesse watters along with dana perino, juan williams, dan, and katie. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ liberals see seen a surge in violence while the left continues to fall for defunding the police. 14 were killed including five kids. they are calling out the lack of outrage. >> where is the outrage? where is the outrage for the 3-year-old that was killed, the same type of outrage that was called for when george floyd was

killed in minneapolis? there should be people in the streets until we get it right. black men need to shut down the black community until we get it right. >> jesse: in minneapolis, a shooting spree left one dead and 11 people injured. in new york city, gun violence is up a staggering 358% this time last year. protesters, slowing down. police responding to a shooting. >> please move away. all we are trying to do is get to the victims. >> jesse: but don't worry. it's all trump's fault. "the president bears responsibility for the violence." all right, we've been talking about this for weeks and weeks.

it's starting to happen, unfortunately. i don't know if anybody is going to hit anybody on the back, because our people are dying. this is what happens when cops pull back. >> dana: yeah, it's not a great time to be saying i told you so, but there are certainly people who are raising the alarm. now, sometimes you see violence have an uptick in the summer. this summer, and possibly increasingly so because you have an economic situation where there are a lot of jobs lost. you have no schools, very few camps. you have people who are worried about their health and social distancing. on top of that, you have the george floyd murder, the protests, some of which turned into riots and looting. the police in some cases, there are reports that they are pulling back a little bit. or in a community like you saw

in whatever they are calling it now, blocking the police from actually helping people and then being blamed for that as well. so, yes, it seems like lawlessness all across the board. something is going to happen this week and it's going to happen on wednesday. there will be a vote on senator tim because scott bill to reform police. the democrats look like they are going to defeat this bill. they would not let it go on for consideration. now, they have been working on this for years. there is an opportunity here to at least get it to the next phase for discussion. i feel like the democrats are setting themselves up for a big fail here. because if you look like you want the issue to campaign on rather than you want the issue to be solved, people will hold you accountable for that, and it will be a real shame, because this is an opportunity where you have a president willing to sign a bill, congress in a bipartisan

way, hopefully willing to do something. and the big concern and i will shut up after this, the democrats are upset that the bill doesn't have a mandatory band on certain types of policing like choke holds. now, what it does say is that there will be incentives to make sure that local police departments ban choke holds. that is similar to what happened when you have the seat belt laws or you change the drinking age from 18 to 21. used incentives from the federal government and almost always you have the states fall in line. we still do have a republic and that's what this bill would still allow, but it would make sure that police departments are actually performing so that they don't lose funding from the federal government. >> jesse: hopefully they don't use this as a campaign issue, but it would not be the first time. we have heard for days upon days from the media that this is a

safe place. it's just a bunch of people having a block party. and now it's a block party and people are getting shot and killed. >> katie: yet, people who are of african-american descent. black people who are americans are being shot and killed in these places where the police have held back by the demand of the city council members and the mayors. police are being vilified and painted with this broad brush and being accused of racism and not be entrusted. they are the ones dealing with these types of people. for example in chicago, they are the people who are dealing with criminals who are willing to go around in their own communities and killed 3-year-olds in the back of cars for whatever reason that they say fit. they do not want criminals to be

running rampant. when it comes to what democrats have been pushing so far, i think every single one of them pushes for defunding in police in this country. they need to be asked if they are okay with what happened over the weekend, whether it is ins seattle or chicago. they need to be held responsible for it. we haven't seen those questions being asked. >> jesse: juan, she brings up chicago, father's day weekend. horrible tragedy. he said something brilliant, which i have to give him credit for this. you can react to that. he says the media is very concerned about gun violence and the media is also concerned about black victims of violence. but they don't seem to be so concerned with black victims of gun violence. how would you explain that in

chicago? >> juan: i'm a little puzzled. i think people are concerned about victims of gun violence. i'm just trying to make sense of it in my mind. i think part of it, jesse is that what you are seeing is something that dana hinted about, which is that we have all-time lows in terms of crime in the country right now and we are especially during the lockdown over the coronavirus, we saw a crime even go lower. and now, it's summertime and people come a lot of people are out of work. a lot of people out of school. people are hitting the streets. so, everybody who has been involved with every firm from everything from drugs to partyio getting out of the house, they are out there now and i think you are going to see it, as is normal, bump in criminal activity. in terms of stopping this spreading of fear, i think it's important to understand that historically we are at a low point in terms of crime in this

country, and that we have to try to keep it that way. so, to me, it's an important distinction to be made. when people call for police reform, they are not saying, oh, let people go shoot each other. not at all. that to me is a huge distortion of the argument. i think what you are really talking about, and i certainly hope you are not implying that cops aren't doing their jobs, not upholding their oath. i think that what they are dealing with here -- >> jesse: not implying that. before you have people who are not attacking strangers. they are attacking each other. they are not for defunding the police. they are for police reform. the american people are for police reform so we can avoid the kind of brutality we saw with george floyd or the kind of abuse that many black people charge the police with on a regular basis.

>> jesse: all right come a day now i will you respond to juan's point. >> dan: he does this thing. i find a lot of liberals do this. they love to start the story in the middle. we are really low levels of crime historically. yeah, juan, the first6 chapters. how we got there is because of aggressive broken windows policing. i don't mean aggressive, by the way, by referring in any way to the horror show on what happened to mr. floyd. there is universal agreement that that was just grotesque to the highest order. but broken windows, aggressive policing, juan, is why we are at where we are right now. if you are suggesting that that's good, which i think most sane people would come a low-level's of crime are a good thing, i assume you are on "the five" right now supporting policing. checking them for warrants. so, i applaud you for doing

that. that's really strong. that's a bold move. i don't see a lot of liberals doing that. >> jesse: way to go, juan. so glad you could come around. >> juan: jesse, do i have a second? >> jesse: yeah, sure. >> juan: i am, by the way, a fan of the 94 crime bill, because i think people today, especially in black lives matter weren't around in the '90s when we had staggeringly high crime rates. but i'm not for harassing people who have no criminal record. if i'm walking down the street, there is no reason to stop me. i just think that's ridiculous. >> dan: i'm not either. you know what broken windows policing is? it's the guy who is stopped. >> jesse: all right, dan got juan to agree. coming up next, president trump returns to the campaign trail

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♪ >> dana: president trump is back on the campaign trail attacking his opponents and causing controversy during his rally in tulsa. >> i've been watching the fake news for weeks now and everything is negative. don't go, don't come, don't do anything today like i've never seen anything like it. i've never seen anything like it. you are warriors. thank you. joe biden is not the leader of this party.

joe biden is the helpless puppet of the radical left. when you do testing to that extent, you are going to find more people, you are going to find more cases. so i said to my people, "slow the testing down, please." >> dana: a smaller than expected crowd size. katie, i think one of the things that was happening with the overpromising, under delivering on the crowd size is that in the trump campaign, they are looking for a metric to show that they are better than joe biden. so, the fund-raising, the biden campaign does it a little bit better. the poll numbers, they do it a little better. but we know that the enthusiasm gap been between trump and biden is quite large. they are very enthusiastic about doing so.

i know arizona is your hometown. what did they learn from the taltulsa experience? >> katie: i would say to verify the numbers of ticket sales of who is going to show up. the joe biden campaign and the trump campaign and the riff on the trump campaign that somehow is a failure because folks only 6,000 people showed up to the first rally in months during the end of a pandemic and in the aftermath of these riots and protests. i think it's a pretty solid argument to make, especially considering that joe biden had a town hall meeting where people were handpicked. there were 20 people there and there wasn't any enthusiasm. moving forward, i'm sure that you noted, it will not be overpromising who exactly is going to show up. you just don't know who is going

to show up. but the history of these rallies is that there are overflowing crowds. i know people who waited in line for hours to get in and never did in places like arizona. so i think that they will be just fine when it comes to getting these rallies back on the road. the majority of life is showing up. well, trump is showing up and biden is not. >> dana: juan, the trump white house explained that he was clearly joking. the white house reiterated that today, the biden campaign decided to take the ball and run with it and they are going to use that even though the president was joking. what you think about that? >> juan: well, let's just take the president's word, dana. if he thinks that's funny. i didn't find it funny. i don't think many people found it funny. the virus is pretty serious. even in places like oklahoma and arizona where he is going next,

we have seen a spike and continuation of the problem. i think this was an epic embarrassment for president trump, who has made a big, big deal out of crowd sizes. and the idea that his own campaign said it was going to be a million plus and built the stage out to have a second speech for the overflow. all of that came to not. it just didn't happen. at some point, you have to take some responsibility. that's not the media, that's the trump campaign. the other point you have to say here is that the polls were right, picking up on what katie was saying, if people were worried about the virus, it's not just democrats or the media or i don't know who, but in a deep red state like oklahoma, maybe people are worried about the virus. maybe that's one of the reasons people do not come out in the numbers that had been forecast. but overall, i would say on the merits of it, and this gets to

what you were talking about. when i heard with the president was saying, it just struck me that gosh, this is like a summer rerun. i've seen this tv show before. there is nothing new here. i'm in, he is not running against hillary clinton. he is running against joe biden. you say joe biden is a captive of the radical left, it's kind of wild. everybody knows that he has a centrist, a moderate. >> katie: no, he's not. >> dana: i want to play the sound for you of the president trying to have a little bit of a lighter moment on something that happens we can before. take a look. >> i set i got myself a problem, general, because i'm wearing leather bottom shoes. it was like an ice skating rink. it doesn't look good for a long time frankly, the tire is never the same.

they gave me the disease. >> dana: dan, there is something about a politician, no matter who it is, if they can have a lighter moment and make you laugh, you can hit a home run. >> dan: yeah, it's a skill and not many politicians are good at that, because focus groups tell them the stories. tell that story. people laugh. it's so weird he just tells you the stories that are in his head. as someone who has worn leather shoes, it got me thinking about ice skating rink's. i can't even imagine. if i may come back for a minute, an epic embarrassment? i mean come on. that's a little hyperbolic to say the least. we are in the middle of this viral outbreak. if you show up to a protest, don't worry. you are a-ok. the virus want to anything to you. he still gets by secret service

estimates, by the way, between ten and 12,000 people. i will trust them. there may not have been ten or 12,000, but there were certainly 10-12000 people. on my estimates, if joe biden had an unbelievable 20 people in his rally, which katie referenced, which looks like maybe parcheesi, that means president trump had 600 more times than biden. if this is a binary choice, which it is one, trump, biden, would you want to be th? i will take the trump rally any day of the week. they have nothing to apologize for. >> dana: we don't have time for juan to respond, but just to come and you were here covering the slide for us. what you know about the whole event as a president heads to arizona later this week? >> jesse: i will respond on juan's behalf. dana, you are right.

i admit that i was wrong. crowd sizes are now our barometer for enthusiasm and joe has no juice. honestly, joe would kill for this small trump crowd size. he will never get 10,000, and never has, never will. i think he cracks 1,000 on his main launch event. so please, joe can't fill a library let alone a stadium like that. the media has been telling everybody hey, don't go to this event. it's dangerous. to thjeanette they have been pag them on the back for being smart and healthy? no. do think they lost his game? joe can't even score one. i mean, come on, there's not even a comparison here. >> dana: meanwhile --

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♪ >> juan: the trump campaign claims joe biden is a hard person to find. they are calling out the presumptive nominee. biden's senior campaign advisor pushing back against criticism. >> we have been campaigning virtually, but just because we are campaigning virtually does not mean that we are not meeting actual voters throughout the country.

>> many of you all are all awa aware. we take pride to our ties in local media. the vice president is doing local interviews. he is doing national interviews and taking questions from reporters. >> juan: let me begin with yo you. just thinking as a politician, someone who ran for office, if you were joe biden and you looked at the polls and his success up until this point, when you keep doing the same thing? >> dan: not a bad point. if you believe the polls are accurate, i don't think they are all inaccurate, but i think some of them given the 2016 polling disaster is probably worth some extra scrutiny. if you believe they are accurate and you are a democrat, we can kick joe biden in the face. you agree that i'm not crazy. when you are doing a

live stream, you are joe biden, and 68 people are watching and 72 are on a bathroom visit at the trump rally, meaning you have more people visiting the trumrestroom at a trump rally, i think you've got enthusiasm problems. just one more point. people may not like trump's answers to questions and that's fine. but it's absolutely hilarious when people condemned trump. this is the most successful president in the history of the united states. biden has given nothing. he is just busy telling black voters they are not black if they don't support him, which is insane. >> juan: katie, let's pick up on that thought. you heard simone sanders saying he is doing press, but it is mostly -- i'm not sure that's a solid point of criticism. >> katie: local press is a

good thing. the reason why hillary clinton lost is because a, donald trump was a better candidate, but be, she just refused to show up. you have to be able to go to places, get on the ground and convince people why it is worth their effort to go out and vote for you. she says what, i warned in 2016 that trump was going to win michigan. i keep warning that the same thing is happening. my constituents are voting for him. that should be a red flag for people like joe biden. >> juan: all right, so jesse, i noticed today, i was reading that the president's campaign, they have a huge financial advantage on biden. they spent more than 20 million since march and yet they couldn't fill the arena. why do you think that in the coming months between now and election day, they are going to have any more success?

>> jesse: i think they will fill arenas much better than sleepy joe. i think we covered that in the last segment. i think you understand pretty well that you don't want to compare crowd sizes. one, he held a press conference every single day for a month at 5:30 on the fly. it was called the task force briefing. >> katie: thank you. >> jesse: must have slipped your memory. it wasn't that long ago. nobody is clamoring for joe biden to say anything. his voters don't really care what he says. you know why? because they don't care what he says, because he never says anything. it doesn't matter what he says. he's a puppet. like the president said, he's just a trojan horse for socialism. what is he going to say? "look, number one, look at my record."

he says come on man. thanks, joe, that clears everything up. he needs to give his staff a break. they are like the hardest working campaign staff ever, if you think about it. they have to write everything he says. they have to hand him every single note. they handle all his tweets. he doesn't know what he believes in. he doesn't have fresh ideas. they just put it all in front of him and hope he doesn't screw up. >> juan: dana, i was thinking to myself, you look at what the trump campaign has tried with biden. remember, it was china, biden, than it was read. i'm just wondering, what do you think is coming next? what is the next line of attack from trump on biden and is there anything that might stick? >> dana: you were talking to jesse about the money they had spent. i'm sure they are probably looking at what is actually landing. what is happening that

they are having a hard time pinning him down and defining him partly because he's not out there that much. he's kind of hard to pin down. you heard it in the president's speech in tulsa. he was talking about joe biden being the vehicle for the far left progressive, that he is just going to pull this country so far to the left. i think that is what they are zeroing in on. i would also say this. the media was all sorts of upset that hillary clinton didn't give them much access. but they don't seem to give biden a hard time about that. i would also say that sometimes doing local press is even harder. that means you really have to understand the issues. for example, in arizona, one of the most important issues is the issue of school choice and charter schools. so, you can just go there and talk about big national policy stuff if you don't have your ducks in a row as to what is

going on with water quality or something else that is happening. you have to really started to do local media. i don't think that's a terrible strategy for them. it probably makes sense at this point in the campaign. >> juan: thanks, dana. i had calls ramp up amid protests. some names coming down. they are going to surprise you. that's next on "the five." ♪ where will you go first? wherever you may go, lexus will welcome you back with exceptional offers on exceptional vehicles. get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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tearing down statues. french is scott key, who i need an explanation of what is going on here. they are tearing down statues of baldwin, who was an abolitionist. does that make any sense to you? >> juan: i don't know about that one. let me just speak to the teddy roosevelt one, dan. i don't think the museum or the city of new york thinks that teddy roosevelt should be somehow put out and never, ever honored for all he did for our national park, our national wildlife refuge. he's a hero. but i do think, and i would ask you, look, they have a statue of teddy roosevelt on a horse with an african man and a native american behind him, and

the museum has said it's inappropriate. teddy roosevelt's great-grandson says that's not the way he sees his great grandfather's legacy. the museum is going to name a hall for teddy roosevelt. so, to me, this is not a matter of g, where does this stop? it's where do we start? how do we to start taking down monuments, confederates who were traders of this country? how do we get nascar to celebrate taking away the confederate flag? how do we get those confederate generals and their statues all of the capital? i think that's what we've got to do. >> dan: to answer your question, i think we have to view statues for when they were made, not through the lens we have now. what is this really about? they are pulling down statues of gandhi. what is that about?

>> jesse: yeah, gandhi, francis scott king, columbus. i mean, this is way beyond what juan is talking about with a few confederate generals. he dodged the question. the situation is this. this is an angry mob trying to destroy america's connection to our history and our foundation, because they want to wipe that clean and rebuild it this country into a socialist utopia. that's the plan. it's mayhem. you have to stop this, because not only is it dangerous, because if you want to bring a statute down, fine. bring it down safely and legally. but if you are going to just start toppling things like an invading army in a foreign land, you can't get away with this, because there are federal charges. my question to these people as this. who are your heroes? who do you think should have a monument? how have you personally shaped

this country and a great way? the answer is you haven't. you guys have done nothing and you can't hold a candle to these men who had statues and monuments built after them, the ones i just named. these are very small people and the need to realize that. i hope they get put into place. >> juan: jesse, do you know who bill to the u.s. capitol? do you know who built the white house? black people. >> dan: so you want to rip it down? >> jesse: okay, let's build a statue. >> juan: they didn't do anything to help this country. come on, jesse. >> jesse: that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the mob that is taking down george washington and thomas jefferson. >> juan: okay. we have different heroes. >> dana: i'm confident that jesse was talking about those

who are pulling down statues. they even took down a statue of miguel's amonte, who rode don quixote. i'm still trying to figure out that one. there are not that many historians in the mob. they are also not people who actually care about "law & order." there are ways that you can get things done. they are going to do this in a peaceful way and they are going to find a different place. maybe they will replace the teddy roosevelt statue was something else. to jesse's point, why don't we add more statues and art in our country. i think that we could use that. we could make it a part of a big cultural revolution rather than a cultural and moral, which is what we are seeing right now. >> katie: i would say that the quest for racial equality has been hijacked by a group of people. if it's about racial equality, you don't vandalize the lincoln memorial.

you certainly don't remove a statue of teddy roosevelt, who was the first president to invite booker t. washington to dinner at the white house with his wife and daughter. those are not the people you go after if this is really about racial equality. this is about attacking america on the inside out. >> dan: all right, more of "the five" coming up next. ♪ this is the tempur-pedic breeze°. and its mission is to make sleep...feel...cool. so, no more night sweats. no more nocturnal baking, or polar ice cap air-conditioner mode. because the tempur-pedic breeze° delivers superior cooling from cover to core. helping you sleep cool, all night long. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, save $500 on all tempur-breeze mattresses... and experience your coolest sleep this summer, on our best breeze savings of the year.

♪ >> katie: welcome back. one in four adults have arguments about who controls the temperature. the average temperature for the air conditioner apparently is 6o called for me, and it certainly causes fights in the office if not other places. >> dan: listen, this is a serious issue. i like it at 67. my wife likes it at about 87. so yes, i have been in the doghouse many weekends because of the ac. i'm sorry, paula. i love you.

>> katie: dana, is this a man versus woman thing? >> dana: well, actually it's more of a thing where women expect men to be able to read their minds. frankly, i'm just not sure why after 21 years he hasn't been able to do that with mine. we have had this ongoing debate for so many years. when i say can you turn the air conditioning down, he thinks i mean make it colder. but that's not what i mean. i mean, less air conditioning. so, just this weekend we had an agreement that now i'm going to say, "could you please make it warmer in the house?" or "could you please make it colder in the house customer" and therefore, we will not be serving any papers. >> katie: okay, juan, so it's about communication as well. >> juan: yeah. my wife likes it cold, dan. and so come in the middle of winter, she wants to sleep with

the windows open and i am a skinny guy who gets cold. i want the heavy blankets and everything. i've got to tell you. i think if anybody is going to split up over this, katie, i think people should be able to, like peter and dana, talk it out. [laughter] >> katie: jesse, isn't this just the controversy we needed in 2020, fights over their air conditioning? and my main question, is air-conditioning sexist? >> juan: when juan said that, it didn't surprise me that juan is the one who gets a little chilly when there's a breeze outside. you get a little cold, throw a second layer on okay? problem solved. that goes for everybody. they are. that's my advice. [laughter] >> katie: i could be a new

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ask your doctor about ibrance. ♪ >> jesse: time now for "one more thing." i want to wish my dad a belated father's day and birthday. yesterday on sunday the 21st, best dad ever. i love you so much. there we are together at the white house. he had a great time. also, my twins gave me some dad swag. girl dad t-shirts. we had a great dinner out on long island. great spot. i think everybody very much. we had a great weekend. okay, dana perino is next. >> dana: and you girls have the nicest hands. they look great out there. having a summer. i want to talk about this golden retriever puppy. monday is going to be hard for

everybody. she couldn't be bothered to move. she is 15 weeks old. she is like no. yeah, not today. i'm not moving. she's not scared of the rumba. she does not care at all. [laughter] a big day of playing outside. >> jesse: i was about to say. nothing can wake him from his slumber. all right, juan williams, i'm sure you've got some father's day stuff ready to go. >> juan: no, but i admired yours, jesse. that was great. i want to talk to you about how there is no hiding a heart full of love. so come i want you to take a look and listen as a 5-year-oldr mom that she will be leaving home for college when she turns 18. >> i don't want to. >> why are you so sad?

>> i just want to stay here. >> juan: the thought of leaving home is particularly tough. i will tell you why. she went through three heart surgeries. the little girl has a permanent pacemaker. she will need future surgeries on her heart. as you can see, she loves her mom with all of her heart. her mom has a facebook page called kisses for mckenzie, a heart warrior's journey. no matter where you go, all of us here are rooting for you with a heart full of love. >> jesse: that was so sweet. dan. >> dan: all right, so it's taking off. not for me. i ain't doing this. but there's a company out there called space perspective. [laughter] there were monkeys eating a guy's face. i am not going to space. so, for $125,000, which is a

nice chunk of change if you have that lying around. you could take a flight up into space, hang out there for two hours, get if you sell these may be, and then a two our dissent back down to earth. when the trip is over, it will splash down at the atlantic ocean and drive back to shore. it sounds like a great idea. just not for me. it's the one never do it. >> jesse: you don't want to go to space, but i know a few people who would pay. >> dan: yeah, may be juan after today's show. [laughter] >> katie: i would g go to space. they were not in space over the weekend. look at this viral video. a dolphin and two dogs on a boat. they didn't know it was barking. they became fast friends and hung out all morning on the

lake. so, there you go. >> dana: very cute. [laughter] >> jesse: dana, who is smarter? a dolphin or a dog? >> dana: dolphin. [laughter] >> jesse: "special report" is up next. take it away, bret. >> bret: good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. the u.s. supreme court last week, president trump is issuing another big executive order on the immigration. it comes as the president's press secretary is denying reports that her boss was very upset at the low turnout at his return in person campaign in tulsa. the campaign is also pointing to big ratings on tv and online streaming. correspondent kristin fisher starts us off tonight with all the news from the white house. good evening. >> good evening. president trump is signing an executive order that will suspend many types of