and we heard from three different governors from spikes in coronavirus cases and it appears that the markets are reacting. >> the big board this morning, pretty significant losses on wall street as there are some fears of the spikes across the country. >> a lot of breaking news, see you tomorrow. >> outnumbered starts right now. >> fox news alert, president from hailing a decision by federal appeals court ordering district court judge to drop th criminal case against former national security adviser michael flynn. as commanded by the justice department. the court saying in a do-1 ruling that the doj decision to abandon the case against flynn settles the matter, even though flynn pled guilty to lying to fbi agents investigating his ties to russia and other countries. the president tweeting, great, appeals court upholds justice department request to drop criminal case against general michael flynn.

here is more from the justice department. >> good afternoon to you, melissa. this is surprising people that heard those arguments in front of those circuit court just about a week or so ago because there were tough questions for former national security advise michael flynn's attorney sydney powell. the big news today the department department departmen of justice healing this decision . michael flynn found out his fat essentially just several weeks ago when attorney general bill barr announced that he wanted t drop this case bread from the beginning the prosecution and defense were on the same side o this issue saying there was no case, then judge emmet sullivan here in washington, dc said i want to hold a hearing on this. he scheduled a hearing for july 16th. what is not clear right now, as if judge sullivan will move forward with that july 16th case, given the fact that a court actually above him now ha saved you need to go ahead and drop this case. judge sullivan at any . today or in the coming days

could issue an order and say i agree with the circuit court decision, i'm going to move on, or his attorney, he has hired a attorney who could ask for in more judges, all of the judges on the circuit court to specifically hear the case. we will see how that one plays out. again, the department of justice , attorney general bill barr healing the decision very want to put up a statement from his. the dc judge has to-1 to grant the motion to dismiss the case with four american flags. that's the latest from the justice department. this case has been going back and forth over the last several weeks, but a big win today for michael flynn as he awaits to hear the final word from judge emmet sullivan. >> thank you for that. this is outnumbered and i melissa's francis. here today, julian tyner, fox news contributor katie pallets.

fox news contributor marie hart. author of american crusade, our fight to stay free. , i will start with you first. do you think this is the end of it? >> i think so. i think judge sullivan has trie everything he can. it doesn't seem like he has any more room at the end of the runway. this is justice finally. the only way to understand the true nature of this justice is to go back from the beginning. their was a fake predicate, the trump administration was targeted politically. they were surveilled, then general michael flynn three-sta general michael flynn, national security advisor was entrapped, made false statements. they make a huge case out of it eventually, it was despised, an we learned through this entire russia collusion nonsense, through impeachment, there was absolutely nothing. this is general michael flynn, three-star general part of a dismantling of islamic terror

groups. he was a second lieutenant when i was one -year-old, he has bee serving and loving our country his entire life. the fact that we are finally no dismissing it when the prosecution and the defense agree is obvious and common sense, hopefully he gets a chance to move on with his life. hopefully there is a second ter of donald trump, and may be he serves in that administration. he has been as the president said exonerated in this by the justice system and hopefully we won't have to talk much more about it. >> marie? >> he hasn't been exonerated. today's ruling was a procedural one. it was not a vindication. it didn't speak to the charges, it spoke to the process which doj has asked for the charges t be dismissed. the facts of the case are that yes, michael flynn had many decades of service in uniform, he also repeatedly lied to the fbi about his contact with russian and turkish and other

foreign officials. in pled guilty twice. there should be consequences no matter your service to this country if you break the law. it will be very interesting to see what judge sullivan ultimately doesn't this case. we are also hearing testimony today that roger stone was treated differently because of his relationship with the president. this is a pattern of the justic system trying to de- treat friends of the president differently and not supply the same standards of the lot of them as to everyone else. we will see what judge sullivan does, melissa. >> katie, i agree with marie, but for the opposite reason, they do treat friends of the president very differently in that they prosecute them for things that they allege, clinto friends go for. what are your thoughts, katie? >> if you want to talk about th standard that michael flynn was held to, let's go back to december of 2016 when fbi investigators said they wanted to close the case, it was open on michael flynn because they

found no derogatory information after listening in on his phone calls with people like the russian ambassador and other leaders around the world. then, the fbi leadership, which was politically motivated said no, no, no, we're not going to close this case, we will keep i open. then the president of president of the united states, barack obama had a meeting on january 5 th and says do we need to be treating michael flynn differently which then le to him being interviewed at the white house on january 24th. before him, the fbi agents who conducted the interview and did not disclose that he was still under investigation said, what is our goal here, to get him to lie or to get him fired? if we're going by the standards of the way people are treated, the fbi under the obama administration thought the standard was that michael flynn had done nothing wrong. cases aren't just dismissed by the department of justice on process, it was dismissed because there was no case. a number of people looked at this including an appeals court with an said you can't say ther

wasn't a case and then continue fishing for something and set somebody up to try to get them to lie and prosecute them for a. >> you have studied this really closely, what are your thoughts? >> first off, whichever way the case goes, whether it is now finally coming to a close after so many months or not, the decision made today is absolutely a victory for the department of justice, it's a victory for michael flynn's legal team. it is a good thing that we are one step farther away from a court believing that general michael flynn create committed crimes, but the decision is not vindication incomplete exoneration and complete exoneration for general michael flynn in terms of the disservic that he did to the administration while serving an office after retiring from the military. you had somebody who was servin in the most important most high-profile foreign-policy rol that exists inside any

administrations white house, he lied to the vice president, tha is a disservice not only to the vice president and to president trump, but to the entire american nation. whether general flynn should be held legally accountable for that lie beyond the fact of being fired, as for the courts to decide which is what is goin back and forth right now. we are dealing with somebody wh served both honorably while he was in the military, but then went on to make some very unethical decisions while serving in a civilian role inside the government. he did a great disservice to no only the trump campaign, but to the administration at its earliest most formative sensitive days. i think that folks are really eager to exonerate him for that honor, doing president trump at disservice. >> can i just follow up on that? >> katie chemical first. >> i was just going to say that if you look at the context at the time, it was the fbi who wa

telling president trump and vic president bends that general michael flynn was lying to them. you fast-forward now and you have mike pence saying if i kne what i knew then about the circumstances of what the fbi was doing, i actually do not believe what he told me was alive. so that is in important follow-up to the context. >> to me timmy, the big disservice that the grave disservice that was done here, was the previous obama administration orchestrated attempt to the fbi and the doj and political appointees to survey all the political opponent pride they never believed it would be found out because hillary clinton was supposed to win. then she didn't. barack obama had a personal for michael flynn for when he led the dia and disagreed with the botching of what was happening in iraq and syria in the fight against isis. their was a personal thread of the ministration to go after him , they use the biggest tools

in surveillance in our government to do so and entrapped him based on the grea point from katie, intelligence and information given to them from people who were corrupt in the process, yet we're saying h committed all of these sins at the beginning of the administration. it was done to him, it was done to trump. the faster we can get past it, the better. >> barack obama did not force michael flynn to call the russian ambassador and say, don't worry about those sanctions that the obama administration just put on you because you meddled in our election. don't worry about those. we'll take care of it and then lie about that repeatedly to th fbi. >> he had a different foreign-policy than obama. >> michael flynn. >> in a capacity is a foreign policy advisor, there's never a okay reason to lie to the vice president. >> it doesn't matter what the

context is. your first obligation to the president, to the vice president , to the american people as to be truthful and do no harm. >> everybody made great points there, i would just add that when you talk about what michae flynn said, you have to remembe president obama on camera leaning forward and saying in the next administration russia will have a lot more leeway to deal with you. flynn is hardly the only one wh had made statements like that about russia. president trump sounding off as protesters turn violent in dc and other parts of the country. details on that head. >> demolish monuments and attac churches, sees city streets, se fire to buildings, and nothing as sacred and no one is fair.

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>> president trump reacting and has violent protest rage on imports of the country and a chaotic scene in washington, dc last night as protesters burn the american flag a few blocks from the white house prayed the president swiftly confirming th demonstration and saying it's a shame congress doesn't act to stop the quote lowlifes who bur the flag. protest turning unruly at the wisconsin state capitol were state senator says he was attacked for recording a video. crowds they are tearing down to statues including one of a colonel who fought on the union side of the civil war. the president is expected to sign his executive order, hikin penalties for destroying monuments this week. he had this to say last night. >> the left-wing the mob is

trying to demolish our heritage so they can replace it with a new oppressive regime that they alone control. they are tearing down statues, desecrating monuments, and purging into centers. it is not the behavior of a peaceful political movement. >> pete, why do you tear down a statue in wisconsin of a union leader? >> because it's not about the civil war, it's about that flag that was burned outside of the white house. its about a burning hatred for america on behalf of the really we are and cultural civil war here. we're in the middle of a fracture. you have marxists affiliated with anftifa an blm rate down there tearing down this kernel in wisconsin. but it's not just that, they want to go after lincoln, washington, and now they're

talking about jesus christ. it's going to backlash at them because of course, as we've see in social media and elsewhere, yell university named after a slave trader. what does yale do about that? what about new york city. the duke of york slave trader centuries ago barry does everything get renamed and torn down? this is 1984 laid bare in front of us and i think president trump recognizes that defending a simple love of america, defending 1776 against 1619 is still where most americans are. you can recognize the sins of the past without tearing them down. you have to confront it. you can't let the mob take over otherwise the mob rewrites history. >> you mentioned new york, the governor of new york had this t say about this. let's listen. >> i think it's a healthy expression of people saying let's get some priorities here and let's remember that the sin

and the state that this nation made and let's not celebrate it. >> katie, what do you think about that? >> i would just what senator te scott said yesterday, look i'm not going to celebrate all of our history, but we can't erase it. keeping our history in plain view allows us to see the progress that we have made to stand up against the type of oppression that we have seen in the past and to move forward working together to make sure that it doesn't happen again. i think it's important to stop calling these people protesters. they are not, they are agitator who are burning down american history, damaging property that does not belong to them. they are setting fires in the streets of washington, d.c. and vandalizing churches. this is something that is not a protest or people calmly and peacefully expressing their opinions and their voice. there are processes to do that when it comes to statues being taken down and renaming things

like yell university for example . these are people are acting tha doctor martin luther king jr. they need to recognize in the department of justice is paying very close attention when it comes to the last letter being broken here and making sure the hold these criminals accountabl so this it stops in countries cities across the country. >> i think one other problems a there is a many things going on. you talk about the statue in front of the museum of natural history, the family of theodore roosevelt wanted to come down because when he looks when you look at it makes you uncomfortable and they don't feel like it's a good reflectio of the relative and that's why they want that to come down. when you look at, it seems indiscriminate then. when you lick it all the things that are going on. whether it is that the captain or the general who fought on th union side of the army, tearing down his statue it doesn't make any sense when you lump that in with these other images. what are your thoughts?

>> i agree, melissa. i think tearing down statues of ulysses s grant for example, fo someone from my home state of ohio who was instrumental in winning the civil war for the union. want to point out a large overwhelming majority of these protesters are peaceful. we certainly see outliers and agitators, but the majority our peaceful and the democratic party is supporting efforts to look at monuments and to have a process to decide whether they should stay up or be taken down. in germany, they don't have statues of and in iraq, our own military tour down statues of saddam hussein. i think in our country having confederate leaders not to lear about history, but to put them on a monument, to look up to them, i don't think that's appropriate for generals who fought against our country as traders. there is a way to learn about history that doesn't involve putting them on a pedestal wher every day you have to drive pas to get to work and that is a conversation democrats want to

have. we don't want to take down gran statues. many don't want to take down christopher columbus statues, but the right ones to lump it all in together to make it soun scary in dangerous and quite frankly, it's really not in mos cases. that's what the american people should be focused on, the bigge conversation. >> they are tearing down both o them. the right is not doing that, these rioters are the ones that are tearing down statues of abolitionists and defacing the lincoln memorial. that is not the right doing that . >> we have to go one at a time. you can't just jump in. jillian, let me ask you. if what marie as saying is true it is these radicals that are hijacking what is that the left is trying to do then and we are seeing come up when you see people getting these and you se all of these different scenes, immediately you're taking away from the idea, that this was about something that made sense

in the first place and now it's just out of control like seattle . >> and the waters get very mudd and it quickly becomes very difficult to decipher what it i that a good peaceful people people on the ground protesting lawfully want. you put it very well, melissa. i spent about five days on the ground with black lives matter protesters covering the protest the other white house here in washington. the thing that has crystallized for me, observing all of these people is that there are too distinct groups of people. during the daytime you have wha are mostly peaceful lawful protesters in and around the white house. at night, you have these agitators, a completely different set of people, they come in, i don't know where the come from, but they come into the area and they sort of take it over. they very quickly become very energized. this is the pattern that we hav seen over and over for more tha two weeks now.

there are to realities on the ground at. >> melissa, i have been on that riot line with the right shield and i don't think they're all that much different. the ones that are peaceful agre completely with the people tearing down the statues commit their just not tearing them down . to katie's point, they are marxist, they hate america, that's their view commit they are using this movement to advance its. >> startling scene in atlanta last night armed protesters gathering at a wendy's parking lot where brix was killed by police earlier this month. how officers are responding. attention veterans with va loans. mortgage rates are now at all time lows. by refinancing, you can save $2000 a year -- with one call to newday usa. our team is standing by right now to take your call. and from start to finish, you can do it all without ever leaving the house. with our va streamline refi, there's no income verification. no appraisal. and no out of pocket costs. one call can save you $2000 a year.

>> armed protesters standing guard tuesday night outside the atlanta wendy's restaurant wher rayshard brooks was shot and killed during his arrest earlie this month. one man holding a 12 gauge shotgun explained to our own steve harrigan while they were

patrolling the area. >> there is no police presence here. there is no one else to protect us. me and my fellow brothers right here are protecting each other. the police aren't allowed here, they're not here to protect us. >> the atlanta police departmen saying earlier today, the department as monitoring the situation and plans to coordinate with communities leaders and the windiest property owner to address security issues and help preserve peace for this community as soon as possible. , so, i will go to you first come up marie, a number of people in the area have been issuing complaints with police that they are not around but also protesters are using this opportunity for their own gain rather than for people peaceful protest. your thoughts? >> this is complicated because certainly don't support sort of vigilante justice, i don't support neighborhood patrols that are armed taking over security for their community. i certainly wouldn't want to

endorse that, but the sentiment that that man just said in that clip you played, that they don' feel like the police are protecting them, that is a very real sentiment in many communities in this country, particularly black communities. i am certainly not endorsing necessarily having vigilante bands of folks with guns protecting their neighborhoods, but it speaks to the bigger question we are talking about i this country. how do we get black communities to work together with police departments? how do we get police department to do better and to make all of their citizens feel like they are there to serve and protect them, not that they are behavin like an enemy. atlanta has a lot to do in this regard. a new police chief coming in, the mayor has spoken about this quite a bit. it speaks to the crux of the problem, how do we get the communities to feel protected and not threatened by the police . that is the question of the day really.

>> so, those that are in the community, there are a lot of them that feel threatened by th man in the video saying that police aren't welcome here. >> this is not complicated at all. all this is as a preview of wha the democrats and the left want to do which is abolish the cops defund the cops, reduce the cops , reduce their budget. if you want more of a private armed security, people out fron enacting their own justice, the support the democrats. the reality as this all started when the minneapolis police department abandoned their precinct. rioters and others said we can do that to commit so you saw what happened in washington, dc you saw what happened in atlanta , easy which happening in seattle. it's a direct result of not empowering law enforcement to d their jobs, especially in the most dangerous places. you can have a conversation about proper policing, but you can't abandon your post, which is precisely what the cops are being told to do, which is why

you're seeing a lot of resignations and sick out spiri if you don't have the power to do your job, why put your life on the line? if that's what you want, vote for democrats. >> in the meantime, president from predicting one big issue making headlines will hand him second term. watch. >> their ideology before your safety it is crazy what's going on. defund and abolish the police? how is that a good idea? i said oh, great, i just won th election. >> we are in an election year, the president staked out his territory with the law and orde message fred given the footage we saw from atlanta, this is beneficial to him. >> i think it's interesting tha especially when i listen to marie talk about how people in atlanta feel, and i think she's

right about that in the communities, then you look to the leadership in uc wow, if black people in atlanta don't feel like the police are there for them, that is sed that has black mayor. you look at seattle, they have black police chief. these cities have been in control by minorities for a while. so how is it, how do you have systemic racism when you have a police chief who is a person of color? i don't understand how this is going on and how this is possible and why things aren't getting fixed rate i guess that's maybe what president trump is at least in part pointing to is that you've had chance to fix these cities, and as it is systemic racism, i loo at new york city, at least half of the police force here is minority. so when you paint this picture that this is a police force or cd leadership that is out to oppress minorities commit them and annuities are in charge. so what is going on, and how ar

you blaming everyone else? >> that's a really good point. jillian, you are at the white house a lot covering president trumps administration. while an order has been a theme throughout the last four years and obviously he is using it on his campaign trail moving forward. as a going to work for him against joe biden? >> well, the reality is that if it turned into a political issue , which is fine, most things are during a campaign season. i want to say something about these autonomous numbers springing up around the country because the reality is that whether they remain peaceful or whether they turn violent, weather people get hurt or stay safe, weather they're able to actually be at hahnemann's and feed includes in house themselves, which is something they largely haven't been able to do, the bottom line as they are unsustainable, they are doomed to fail. we are seeing them peter out in real time. that is quite simply because this nation, to hundred 50 plus

years ago decided that the people of this nation decided w were better off with a government then without a government. in trying to set up these autonomous zones to question an challenge those and offer some kind of alternative living in 2020 is not something that appeals to the majority of the american people, including people who believe that racial injustices is more prevalent than ever, including people who believe the police mistreat people of minorities in this country. the majority of americans want to live with government, they want to live with some sort of law enforcement built into the system to protect their interest . they think it's a futile sort o mini ecosystem there popping up but they're not going to stick around. we talked about this a bit last week, they are also very unsafe whether they ultimately turn violent or not. >> we have seen people killed. they are essentially comp pianist, which communism has

filled all over the world. i don't know why it would work this year. >> i think the big lie here, honestly is that all of our police departments are infected with systemic racism. you talk to the mayors and police chiefs, they've worked hard to make sure that their forces are diverse, trained properly, stepping away from situations that they don't need to escalate. this is not a problem of systemic racism. you say that is the case and th solutions are draconian. get rid of the police altogether . in america is the least racist country in the world. we can work this out if people are honest about it, but if you make every police officer a racist, and now you've got a problem. >> is speaking of, police reforms, senate democrats effectively blocking debate on the police reform bill now on capitol hill. what this means for any police reform legislation going forward . that's up next.

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>> they don't want to take up the issue. they don't want to debate. they don't want amendments. they will filibuster police reform from reaching the floor of the senate unless they rewrite the bill behind closed doors prayed. >> don't get in your sanctimony and. you have none of the civil rights community behind you. i think the politics here is that leader mcconnell wants to show he's doing something and get nothing done. >> earlier this morning, leader mcconnell also said that chuck schumer was upholding this buil hostage prayed he called the bill by democrats bizarre ultimatum. marie, i know you're not a surrogate for the democrats, bu i want to hear what you think a the rationale behind blocking the debate on this issue? >> this is a negotiation. every bill on capitol hill, as you know, jillian is and the democrats believe that this bil is incredibly weak. that is something that the civi rights organizations believe, the groups not the far far left groups, but the mainstream civi rights groups trying to attack

police reform issues, they believe the republican bill doesn't go far enough by any means very democrats say we wil debate this bill with you, but the bill needs more teeth in it to actually come to the floor. this is the process that is how it always works. the house bill is much more goe much further, as much more forward leaning. this is a legislative debate an i agree with chuck schumer here. mitch mcconnell wants to say they're doing something in joe they're doing something. tim scott i think is working hard in the republican pocket t get more people on board. it's a tough job because republican does not want to go further on police reform they don't want to tackle a more comprehensive bill and democrat are saying you know what, you don't have a super majority, we want real police reform in this bill, not just a band-aid and that is what they are pushing for. >> melissa, watching some

diverse got go through this legislative process over the last few days, what is your tak away in terms of where he is, the gap between he and the rest of the caucus and how they can kind of bridge that. >> when you see that 70 percent overlap between what the left and the right want on it, i fee like it's a total disservice to the nation to not bring it to the floor and talk about it. then you would have been open opportunity in front of them to say here are the things that needed tobe added in in order for us to move forward on that. there is not like there's no commonality, but at the same time, i think they're doing a good job of demonstrating why you can't solve any problems at a federal level. they are not able to come together, they don't know what' going on, they never get anything done, they don't earn anything to earn their paychecks . i think this reinforces that if you want to see change, which i think everyone does and can agree upon, it's going to have to happen on a local level and

it's ridiculous to think that those in washington can do anything to help us moving forward. >> katie, melissa brings up a good point which is the senator senate has a much larger proble than this one issue which is that they buy a march excuse me the senate and the house, the entire congress together still lacks, the majority of americans . 60 to percent of americans disapprove of the job that congress is doing overall. where do you think this latest get them? >> you know, a one-size-fits-al federal policy for local policing or any other issue is usually a bad idea. what will work in a place like new york city versus a role are in texas for example is not the same thing. the police department police departments in the sheriffs departments are dealing with different situations on the ground and oftentimes pieces of legislation out of dc make the situation much worse. when it comes to the police

reform that senator tim scott has tried to move through, the democrats are not blocking, it' now important to remember how democrats have reacted to a black man from the south who ha been discriminated against himself on the basis of race, senator said this is token legislation, this is not mitch m cconnell's legislation this is tim scott's legislation. speaker pelosi saying that republicans including tim scott are responsible for the murder of george floyd by putting this bill forward. i think when it comes to lookin at who is trying to solve the issue here, comments like that especially given the person the republican who is introduced luke legislation and the sponsors, that should be remembered when it comes to who is taking this seriously and wh wants to actually solve the problem. not for political reasons, but for real reasons to help police departments and communities com together on the ground. >> it is an interesting criticism. you think that part of the

reaction in blocking debate on this stems from racism on the other side. do i understand you right? >> i'm simply pointing out that competent that they have made i response to a bill introduced b an african-american senator who is trying to move the ball forward on real policing and if democrats want to criticize republicans for not having enough teeth in the bill, democrats don't want to touch police unions either, so there is plenty of criticism to go around on those issues. >> we want to bring you this breaking news right now. the doj spokesperson just now announcing that attorney genera bar has agreed to testify befor the house judiciary committee for a general oversight hearing on july 28th. this announcement coming right now as the committee as having hearing and listening to

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>> at doj spokesperson announcing that attorney genera bar will testify before the house judiciary committee for general oversight hearing on july 28th. the announcement comes as the committee right now is hearing testimony about the alleged of the justice department under th attorney general and president trump. marie, what would you ask them? >> how much time do we have lef in the show? >> you know, i think there are lot of questions about specific cases like michael stone and michael flynn. i would also want democrats or anyone to ask questions about how he has handled the protesters, what his thoughts are on calling out the military. how he was involved in ordering the use of a kind of tear gas o peaceful protesters in washington. this last period of time with the protest, he's been very involved in and i think there

are a lot of unanswered questions that democrats really need to die into with bill barberry i'm glad he's testifying. it is the right thing to do. >> attorney general bill barr has been accused of a lot of things throughout his tenure at the department of justice, especially in the wake of the general flynn case now being dropped in his decision to ask for that case to be dismissed being backed up by the court of appeals in dc today. a lot of accusations are being thrown at him on capitol hill right now. this as an opportunity for him to go and defend himself and to answer questions and give some clarity about the accusations the democrats have of throne an his department of justice. they better be ready because bill bar brings his a game ever single time and the questions better be pointed or he will ru circles around them with his answers.

>> he always strikes me as a productive you are. he's at the same level. here i am, i'm answering your questions, and whether they say to him like president would not terrible position he said that' true, he's not making my job an easier, but he strikes me as he answers the question, they neve get his goat, he never takes th bait. i don't know, i think this will be fascinating to watch for those reasons. what are your thoughts? >> he is unflappable. he doesn't need this job, yet h has been formidable in his application. frankly, he still got ongoing investigations of the origins o the witchhunt of the previous administration. ask questions about where that ends. so count me as not surprised that yet again, how's democrats are happy to use their committees for political purpose . we've seen it for three and hal years, they drag this through a nonsense impeachment. bill barr has done a fantastic

job as attorney general. i think you should be asked about what more could be done t support our police departments who are in an impossible position because their politica leadership is putting them in those impossible spots. he will do just fine even thoug i'm sure the left-wing media will go breathlessly with talking points. >> jillian, he is using the democrats, they democrats our using a hearing for their political purposes, the hearing is about using the justice department for the political purposes, how do you sort it out ? >> i think it's a good move tha he accepted this request from the house judiciary while he's undergoing testimony to try to talk about accusations of political bias, these hearings have become political theater, but i still think that they are useful for the american people. it gives us more exposure to senior administration officials. it also is an opportunity for whoever is on the stand. it is an important opportunity for them to communicate their

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