tomorrow morning. griff: tune in nascar this afternoon, 3 p.m. pete, go get a costco sheet cake while you still can. [laughter] pete: have a great saturday, everybody. see you tomorrow morning. ♪ ♪ neil: all right. more on the great reopening that is stalled right now at least in dallas, texas. to your left, miami, florida to your right. both of those states right now are kind of going in reverse, not just slowing phased openings, but in the case of both of them now looking at stopping bars from doing business at least with alcohol, which does kind of limit their clientele, and also with drastic capacity in the case of texas in restaurants. that had been up to 75%, going backwards to 50%. the implications from all of this at a time we got news that half a dozen states right now are considering similar measures to deal with what has been an enormous spike in cases.

for the third straight day running, around the 40,000 mark, something we've not seen throughout this process. but again, more cases does not necessarily mean more trouble. for example, the death counts at this point are actually subsiding rather dramatically. we're going to get into that anomaly in just a second. in the meantime, i do want to pick apart the significance of what's happening in these states right now. here to do that, steve harrigan. hey, steve. >> reporter: neil, you singled out texas and florida, both those states taking steps backwards after initially being very aggressive in reopening their economies. putting new restrictions on bars and serving alcohol indoors. in florida they have seen more than a 70% increase in new cases of the coronavirus in just the past week. florida has seen more than a 500% jump in new cases since memorial day. the governor of texas saying now he regrets reopening bars as early as he did. and as you pointed out, the

problems not just in texas and florida, but six states reaching single-day records for new cases of the virus on friday including idaho, kansas, south carolina, oregon, utah as well as florida. and the big number is 45,000 new cases on friday across the u.s. as a whole. that was a record friday. it topped thursday's record which in turn topped wednesday's record. so three record days in a row for new cases of this virus. vice president pence said though he was encouraged by some of the data. >> roughly half of the new cases are americans under the age of 35. which is at a certain level very encouraging news, as the experts tell us. >> reporter: some cities also beginning to take measures on their own. pensacola, florida, now making wearing a mask in public mandatory, and miami-dade mayor now shutting down the beaches

ahead of the fourth of july holiday. neil, back to you. neil: all right, steve, thank you very much, my friend. steve harrigan in atlanta, georgia, on that. in the meantime here, he did mention what's happening in florida with miami beaches closed for the big fourth of july weekend, that obviously put a damper on a lot of holiday plans, vacation plans. but at the very least, it is changing the way people think about the progress or the resurgence of these virus cases which are now running about 13% positive in the entire state of florida. greg steube joins us right now, florida republican congressman, also house judiciary committee. sir, very good to have you. what do you make of this and the spike in cases in your state? you know, this happens when we, obviously, get more testing, but the streak of positive cases is alarming some in the medical community. what do you know? >> yeah. i mean, the first thing is there's 200,000 tests a week that we're doing in florida so,

obviously, you're going to see a spike in the number of positive cases. the vice president had it right, you're seeing asymptomatic individuals between 18-35 who are testing positive. they don't have symptoms, and so that's a good thing. we don't have an elderly population, you don't have people in nursing homes because governor desantis has put things in place to insure our elderly population is protected unlike new york. if you compare overall cases in florida to states like new york, we still have 3,300 deaths compared to 31,000 deaths in new york. that's almost ten times the amount of death. so the amount of cases, obviously, is an indication of the amount of testing that we're doing. if you drill down on the numbers of hospitalizations and those patients needing icu beds, that number has stayed flat. i get numbers in my district every day for each of the nine counties i represent, and those hospitalization numbers are about the same as they'd been a month ago. so i'm not too alarmed because

we have so much testing going on in the state of florida, and we can't keep our economy shut down forever. so i think a gradual reopening is a good thing to get our economy back to work. neil: congressman, do you think floridians were just ignoring some of the distancing provisions and rules on capacity at restaurants to the point that they did this to themselves? now they might be, you know, doing it so often that's going to compel the governor to order such restrictions, to order the wearing of face masks, that sort of thing? >> we just had all those protests, and you've seen them across the country. we had them here in the state of florida where young people between that 18-35-year-old age demographic are down in huge groups without face masks on protesting different things that are going on. so i certainly think there's some correlation there. i've seen videos in tampa of the walmart being looted where all of the people running in didn't have face masks on, all

congregated together. so most floridians are being smart and safe about this. if they're in the high risk category, wear a face mask when you go out, socially distance. don't even go out. i talked to a gentleman in my district yesterday that said he's high risk, and he's just not going out, and if he does for some reason, he wears a face mask. so i think the numbers you're seeing are because of the increase in testing, the demographic that you're seeing in increased amount is a dem graphic that's not at high risk to see hospitalization. so i think we're in a good place here in florida right now. neil: you know, northeastern states are now not too keen on florida residents coming up to their states, among other states, arizona, texas. what do you think of that? >> well, i certainly disagree with shutting that type of thing down because if you look at the percentage of the amount of people, again, that are testing, like i read something from governor cuomo that said they had such a low amount of those testing positive. well, i can guarantee they're

not doing 200,000 tests a week in the state of new york, so obviously their numbers are going to be different. again, people have personal responsibility and individual liberty to make up those decisions to insure that they're not infecting oh other people if they're sick, stay home, do the things the cdc's recommending you do. neil: congressman, thank you for joining us on a saturday to cuts cuts -- to discuss it. we'll be watching closely. be well, be safe and be healthy. what do we do right now when these types of things happen? what's the better part of valor? to shut down beaches as they're doing in miami, to reverse capacity orders as they're doing in places like texas, to shut down bars as they're doing in both texas and florida? how do you move forwarden owl -- forward on all this? dr. marty mcharry joins us. are those measures in those states enough? >> well, neil, the thing is you cannot react at the time. you've got to plan ahead because this is a three month lag

between what you do and the effect of what you do. and some of these policies make sense, but some of them are a little erratic. for example, in texas you can get outpatient hair loss treatment or piercing at a piercing salon, but you can't get a hip replacement or elective surgery. so one of the common sense things that many states could adopt and, in my opinion, should adopt is mandatory masking indoors in public areas when social distancing cannot be achieved. i don't think it makes sense to close beaches, perhaps limit capacity at those places. as you know, the texas liquor board did some inspections and found at several bars people were packed in tight with no masks, and they actually closed about 14 bars for that reason. neil: it goes to your point about the whole mask issue, a point i raised with louisiana senator john kennedy. here's what he had to say. >> i don't wear one max, i wear two when i'm on an airplane, and i wear one everywhere else. i think a mask, it does protect

other people. i think it protects you. from day one -- neil: you think it would be good that for those, including the president -- and they are, i get that -- but to wear one at least to kind of incentivize people, look, we're going to make this worse if we don't do stuff like this? >> look, that's up to the president. you know, i mean, i understand some would like me to say, well, the president ought to wear a mask. it's up to the president. it's up to every american. neil: doctor, what do you think of that? the president is famous for not wearing a mask, and some key people around him don't wear it either. people watching that might say, well, if he isn't, why should i? what do you think of that? >> well, look, we're on track to have a quarter million americans die from this virus. this virus wants to infect and penetrate about 60% of every locale in the world, it doesn't care about borders. masking is one of the few tools

we have. it's not perfect, and we can have debates, but we have a country of opinions, and i think we need to put those aside and say whatever the effectiveness of the mask is, if it's a 30% mitigation or a 60% mitigation, it's one of the few tools we have. look at a asia, look at europe, look at many of the northern states in the united states. they have been able to manage the infection after initial spikes and surges because of universe almassinging. neil: so when we have a lot of people that are just loathe to put on a mask, and i can understand particularly down south, i get that. i'm sure you do as well. but when people like dick cheney come forward and say it's cool and very manly to wear a mask, we need to see more of that. okay, okay, i don't flip over this, but now look at the spiking numbers, it's probably not a bad idea. >> look, masks do a lot of good, and i think one of the things is, is it takes away the stigma for those who really need to be

wearing a mask, those with symptoms or those who are exposed and are out there and shouldn't be. it's good when public figures wear masks, in my opinion. neil: all right, doctor. great seeing you again, thank you as always for updating us and helping us make sense of everything that's going on. to doctor's point about a masks, this is an environment where there are a lot of protests going on, we've still not be able to link the latest spike in cases to what has been a lot of protests going on around the country since the tragic death of george floyd in minneapolis. what we know though is that they were sandwiched together across the country right now. is it just coincidental that we're seeing a spike in cases since? we're going to be exploring that. also exploring the new wave of protests concerning statues and getting rid of them, forcibly. and with forcible response right now from no less than the president of the united states, sending in the troops. after this. stock slices.

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♪ ♪ neil: you ready to do time for taking down a statue? that is the president's latest executive order to sort of rein in some of these bizarre attacks on statutes that have been there, in the case of a couple, centuries. right now the president indicating enough enough. david spunt following that at the white house with what this could mean. >> reporter: neil, good morning. i was supposed to be coming to you from new jersey, but president trump cancel ised his trip to bedminister, instead he's golfing at his virginia club but said he wants to stay in town to protect some of these federal statues and restore law and order. yesterday he signed an executive order dealing with some of these monuments and threatening to take federal funding away from local cities and towns that do not protect these monuments. he announced that yesterday. now, in some cases, neil, monuments were taken down by city officials, but in many cases they were taken down with

chains and set on fire as was the case, we've been playing the video all week, with the statue of confederate general albert pike in washington d.c. that happened on june 19th. earlier this week people put chains on the famed statue of andrew jackson across the street from where i'm standing in lafayette park. minutes later authorities were on scene and blocked off the park so there's no access to the statue. this poster put out by the fbi shows 15 people wanted for vandalizing that jackson statue. destruction of federal property could bring up to ten years behind bars if convicted. neil, yesterday i took a tour of the fbi's strategic information operations center, the hub of all intelligence coming in to the fbi about vandalism across the country. i spoke to fbi director christopher wray about what he's doing to stop it. listen. >> equal justice is essential, but violence and destruction of property is not the way to insure it. and to the extent that there's a federal nexus involved in that

conduct, people need to understand that the fbi will take steps to investigate and hold the wrongdoers accountable. >> reporter: neil, race is one of his -- wray says one of his top priorities is working with federal and local officials. i want to show you a picture i took this morning on my way in to the white house. you see those tall fences going up, that's near the executive office building on 17th street on the back side, on the south side of the white house. officials not saying exactly what those are for, but this debate continues to rage on. we continue seeing these statues or, excuse me, these fences going up near these statues. also, though, around the white house. and according to fbi officials, they could be up for the next several months into the -- going into the election. neil. neil: thank you, david, very thorough report. david 13u7b9 at the white house. and as david was pointing out, the president was supposed to be in bedminster, new jersey, this weekend. he is at home at the white house sort of monitoring events and whether anything gets improved

this weekend with the whole statue thing. it occurs at the time, post-executive order, whether he has doubled up on existing laws that are in place including the veterans memorial preservation act which already has punishments and potential jail term for those who do attack historical landmarks. let's get the red on all of -- the read on all of that from major general william walker, d.c. national guard commanding general. there are 400 troops already deployed to protect monuments. general, thank you for taking the time, sir. do you expect any trouble this weekend? >> good morning, mr. cavuto. we do not. first of all, let me just give a quick shout-out to the magnificent soldiers and airmen and civilians of the district of columbia national guard. i simply could not be more proud of these amazing patriots. so, no, sir. we don't expect anything that we can't handle. we are in direct support of the

united states park police, the metropolitan police department, and together we will protect these monuments and statues. neil: you know, general, i was mentioning the fact that's already on the books that, you know, punishing people for doing the kind of stuff that's happening right now, i raised it with the interior secretary, you know, under his purview these statues rest, and he was saying this kind of stuff is is necessary. i want you to e act to this, general. >> this kind of thing necessary i didn't hear the question. >> they're going to deal with us, and we'll deal with them severely, we'll deal with them with dispatch. and the president has -- neil: what do you mean, what do you mean you'll deal with them severely and with dispatch? does that mean are there cars there? are there law enforcement there to arrest them if they even take this on? i've heard that a national guard troops might be brought in, they may be there now. what? >> that's absolutely the case.

neil: all right. i apologize, general, but what he was saying, essentially, is we have the power to do this, we will do this. these are vital sorts of land a marks. you agree to disagree, violently taking them down isn't the answer. i guess i'm asking you, sir, if people try to do that, what do you do? >> they won't be successful. the united states park police, the metropolitan police department and the men and women of the district of columbia national guard will protect these monuments and statues. neil: so across the country i think, you know, we have this issue where some are controversial, you know, confederate generals, soldiers, you know? as you know, general, even on capitol hill to remove the former speakers of the house because they were around the time of the confederacy and supportive of slavery. as an american patriot, do you

think this is going too far? >> you know, i haven't really given it any thought. here's what i do know, we're going to protect the statues until they're either removed or they remain. but i haven't given any thought about should they come down or should they stay. my job with, my mission is to protect. neil: all right. so that applies to some at first glance, that's an odd statue to want to take down, this emancipation memorial featuring abraham lincoln, you know, at his feet is a slave kneeling down. and yet it was abraham lincoln who freed the slaves. i'm just wondering whether you fear this goes a little too far. >> i haven't given any thought, mr. cavuto. here's what i know, is that we're going to help the police protect it. neil: very good, sir. thank you very, very much. general, be well, be safe, be healthy, you and your men and women. we'll be monitoring that very

closely and the legality of all this. as i said, with laws on the books, is this really more powerful message? we'll explore that after this. you doing okay?

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♪ neil: all right, well, there ought to be a law for people who try to take down or forcibly destroy historical landmarks, properties no matter what you personally think of the subject here. well, there actually is, but the president doubling up on that with an executive order to say touch these things, you destroy federal property, you are looking at some prison time here. and depending on what you do, maybe a lot of prison time. matthew whitaker joins us now, the former u.s. attorney general.

matthew, always good having you. i know there is a law on the books that deals with this, sir, the veterans memorial preservation act which addresses this type of behavior. obviously, the president didn't feel that was forceful enough. so do you think an executive action was warranted here? >> i do, and i think what the president did is very important and a good example of leadership in this area. you're right, there are laws, there are plenty of laws, in fact, so much prescribed in the federal statutes that, you know, there's twitter pages dedicated to a crime a day of some of these statues. but the point being is i think what the president did was focus the priorities of law enforcement. you saw that with chris wray earlier in your show outlining the steps that they're taking to enforce the law and also coordinating the intelligence and putting out most of these wanted posters. i think these are very important steps. obviously, the president of the

united states can focus law enforcement, focus the department of justice to work on what he deems important because he is the head of the executive branch, and that's exactly what he's doing right here. neil: and to your point, sir, i think he's sort of saying law and order is the key, underlying theme. that we can have our differences and all but, you know, hauling down statues and the rest, acting violently in protest, you know, this is all part of a law and order theme. i mean, we'll be exploring this on the various police reform measures at work on capitol hill. but one constant that's emerged since the death, for example, of george floyd is eight others have died in the minneapolis area in shootings and protests. and it's escalated across the country. how do you keep a lid on that while still being sympathetic and empathetic to those who want to peacefully state their case? >> yeah. neil, we're always trying to move to a more perfect union.

it's outlined in our founding documents. and i think one of the things that we need to understand is that for all of us to enjoy our freedoms and our liberties, we need law and order to protect those freedoms and liberties. we can't have the mob determining, a small group of lawless vigilantes, decide what monuments to tear down, what buildings to burn, what glass to break and loot stores. and so, you know, i think to some extent that we have to not only get back to law enforcement as a force for good and the men and women in law enforcement, you know, as they know i fully support them and encourage them to continue to do their jobs and protect our liberties. otherwise we see this mob and what they're willing to do in tearing down lincoln and grant and all of these statues that represent our history and our proud history to some extent. and, you know, politics and politicians need to get a backbone and stand up on both sides of the aisle, neil. this is something you and i have

talked about before, how important it is for leaders to lead and how politicians need to represent their people and do their jobs. neil: so when you see what's going on and the pressure on now attorney general bill barr to do more and to come up with more, you know, forceful, you know, responses to what's been going on around the country on this, what can he do? what legally can the attorney general do? >> well, legally he can make sure that law and order is restored, he can bring federal assets to this mission. but most importantly, they can coordinate and lead an all of government response to protect the citizens and our houses, our businesses and our livelihoods. and this is one of the things i'm concerned about especially, is that if we have a breakdown in civil society and law enforcement is, retreats from these flashpoints, we could have

even more violence, more injury and possibly more death. so, you know, i think we are at an important moment in american history, and i think now is the time for level-headed and sound-minded americans of all stripes and all colors and all creeds to make sure that we respect our fellow citizens and we respect and honor law enforcement and the important job they're doing. neil: i don't even know what legally if they're ticked off about statues honoring confederate soldiers and generals, what is the legal course to take if you want them removed? >> well -- neil: let's say -- [inaudible] in your community, what do you do? >> yeah. yeah, well, so much of this -- let's talk about richmond, for example. you know, richmond and its city council and its mayor could, obviously, if the people of richmond desire that, they could work through the legitimate political means. and the state of virginia, obviously, could have a voice in that as well. i think to some extent, you

know, we need to make sure that the process works and that all voices are heard and not just violent mobs that suddenly appear and desire to pull down these monuments. and, you know, what is so important is all americans and all citizens that are affected by these things have a voice and we have a civil discussion. we have to continue to be the marketplace of ideas and not sort of reflect this cancel culture that has suddenly taken over many in our society. again, the lawless mob cannot rule what happens in our society. neil: matthew whitaker, always good talking to you, matthew. be safe, be well -- >> thank you. neil: former acting attorney general of the united states, matt whitaker. we're going to have a fair and balanced discussion of this issue, particularly when it comes to moves on capitol hill to sort of address police reform. democrats saying not going far enough when republicans have anything to do with it and republicans who say that the

democrats aren't serious about it when they're challenged to come up with something to actually do about it. after this.

♪ ♪ neil: all right. they are both working on police reform, but there is a mile, many miles of difference between the house version dominated by democrats and the senate version dominated by republicans. never the two shall even compare

or discuss one with the other x. there we stand at logger heads here with manager that would reform police departments and their behavior as well as protecting law enforcement going forward. easier said than done, apparently. senator steve daines, republican from montana, joining us now. senator, good to have you. is it looking grim as far as you see it, both sides reconciling their differences on this? >> well, we're quite a ways apart, no doubt. but i think we need the look at what's going on. in the george floyd's death, justice must be served. but now it's become an excuse for radicals to burn our cities, and our police officers are doing good work under very dangerous conditions. violence and destruction is not the answer. we're seeing absolute chaos across our country at the moment. it's time to stop destroying the statues, stop destroying the monuments. let's not forget that we should learn from history and not

destroy it. and we're working in good faith as senate republicans. if you saw what happened on the floor of the united states senate on wednesday, the democrats blocked even to debate it. we want transparency, accountability, we want better training. the democrats talk about defunding the police. it's outrageous. what the american people want are solutions. unfortunately, democrats are using this now as an election issue. they want to use this to win, they want to use this to beat president trump, and we're working to unite our country. but unfortunately, my colleagues across the aisle are working to divide us. it was a sad day on wednesday when we could not even bring this bill to the floor to start a debate. neil: you might be stunned to learn the democrats are saying the same of you, sir. [laughter] not you specifically, but there is an impasse here. one of the things that have come up, you both seem to agree, both sides on the chokeholds and that sort of thing, violent apprehension of suspected

criminals. but it drops off after that. is that fair to say? >> well, yeah, but there's some significant divides at the moment, some issues around what they called qualified immunity. this protects our men and women who are in law enforcement from lawsuits, from, you know, trial lawyer pandemics that we always are afraid of. but, neil, to put this in perspective, i got the outline of the house bill, i've got it right here in front of me. listen to this. it says we need to empower our communities to reimagine public safety. i'm reading their points. what's it mean to reimagine public safety? no doubt we have some, we've had some bad apples in law enforcement. but the vast majority of our men and women who wear the badge, when they leave their homes each night or each day to go serve and protect us, their families say good-bye not knowing if that might be the last good-bye. and they're putting their lives

on the line for us. and i spent time just yesterday, in fact, with some of my sheriffs here across montana getting their input and their feedback. first of all, they really appreciate us telling them we stand with them under these difficult times. and they were very receptive to some of these ideas we're going to bring before the united states senate. for example, better databases so that the member of law enforcement transfers let's say from los angeles, wants to come up here and work in montana, they want to have the background of that particular member of law enforcement so they can do an exhaustive background check. so they're very receptive to some of these reforms. and this bill that tim scott put together was very thoughtful, very well thought out, and we were going to start debate, neil. we weren't asking for an up or down vote, let's just have a debate to bring the country together and try to work on a solution. it was a sad day to see they stopped us from even bringing the bill to the floor for a debate. neil: how do you feel, senator, about the president's movie ya

executive order to go after those who try to take down statues? some have feared he might incite even more violence as a result. what do you think? >> tell you what, we saw this right here in montana, neil. we have a statue of a world war i soldier. it's in missoula, montana. it's been there a hundred years. and unfortunately what should have been peaceful protests -- and the vast majority of these protesters were peaceful. but you have these individuals who are dead set on violence and looting and vandalism. they took a blue can of spray paint and defaced it, and they took an american flag and they december skated it -- desecrated it, and they wrapped it around the neck of this world war i i statue. that has got to end. as a nation we are founded on principles. we're a constitutional republic, but we are based on enforcing the law, respecting the rights of individuals. we've got to stand up against

this mob rule. that's what's going on. we've got to stop the mob. and the mob does not stand for the vast majority of men and women in this country who love our country, who want to see law and order, who want to see peaceful protests. but this mob rule's got to stop. and i applaud the president doing everything he can to protect our communities and to protect these chews and these monuments -- these statues and monuments that reflect the heritage of our nation. we should be learning from our history, not i doing it. neil: senator, you mentioned the president and given the spike in coronavirus cases, we have seen what apparently is a tide, what we're seeing in texas and florida, if residents there sort of flouting and ignoring the rules on social distancing, wearing masks. the president doesn't wear a mask, and the -- he doesn't hide that fact. he just prefers not to. and others around him don't as well. senator john kennedy, your colleague from louisiana, said

it might be a good idea. he wears a mask. he wasn't going to judge the president whether it's a good or bad thing, but as the leader of the country and providing an example, do you think he should? that would send a signal to americans that this is probably a good idea not to spread this? >> well, i think that the president will decide what he wants to do. it requires common sense. not forget the president's very well protected. when people come to meet with the president, they're tested for covid-19 before they can even meet with the president. is so is he's protected. he has that level of protection just like he has secret service protection -- neil: i get that, but when he's not and he's advocating people follow whatever the requirements are, in effect, that he is sending a mixed signal there when he's seen not wearing it. in fact, maybe criticizing reporters who are or that it's a political statement. what do you thinkover that? >> yeah, i don't think masks are a political statement. clearly they aren't. i fly back and forth between

montana and washington d.c. when you fly on an airline today, you have to wear a mask, and i respect that. i think that's common sense. it's the right thing to do. i think each of us have to decide what we want to do to help our communities to insure we don't spread covid-19. but i think it comes down to common sense, and each of us will make that decision. and i'll tell you what, there's times that i will wear a mask if it's the appropriate thing to do. other times i'm at home here, i'm not going to wear a mask. neil: all right. we'll see what happens. senator, thank you very much, be well, be safe, be healthy. all right, the chief deputy says that the president not doing enough on these and other issues. stay with us.

♪ ♪ neil: all right. want to hoe you something going on in washington, d.c. right now. the lincoln emancipation memorial, this is in linkin park in washington d.c. it is one of several statues

being closely monitored and later on with national guard troops in tow in case anyone gets the idea of tearing the sucker down. the controversy seems to be not so much abraham lincoln freeing the slaves, but the slave kneeling down beneath him getting the news that he had. the controversy comes at a time when they're even going after general grant across the street from the white house, andrew jackson in lafayette park where they actually gated hum off. but this is the scene that's playing out again and again across the country. dan kildee joining us right now on how far all this goes, chief of deputy whip. i want to kick off, dan, if you'll indulge me -- and thank you for coming -- on the whole statue thing. the president is saying the executive order, you touch it, you're looking at prison time. what did you think of that? >> well, while i do think there's a legitimate debate about what historic figures or which historic figures we ought to honor with statuary, i do not

believe that individuals as a mob can make the decision for themselves and destroy public property in that way. but that shouldn't obfuscate the fact that there's an honest debate about some of the statues that are up and whether or not we should honor some of these individuals. my gosh, we cannot have a very small minority of these protesters, as has been said, taking these matters into their own hands. so i don't agree with the president on a lot of things, but i think this is a case where we need to protect public property and make an orderly decision as to how we might want to address some of these questions about, you know, historic figures that have a dark past that might not, we might not want to continue to honor through having a statue erected to hair -- to their memory. neil: would you put abraham lincoln and general grant in that category? >> no. no, i would not. in fact, i just read doris kerns goodwin's book on leadership,

and a fourth of it is dedicated to abraham lincoln. you know, a complicated figure, but he sure has a legacy of, a positive legacy in this country. i certainly would hope that his statue would not be touched. neil: you know, a lot of this was born post the george floyd killing, and it's morphed into a national protest movement. and i should stress, mostly peaceful. but, again, we have seen violence, and we have certainly seen deaths in minneapolis and other cities, increasingly so, and now statues. do you feel the polls don't seem to indicate it yet that it could hurt democrats, that they look to be sort of forced hard left on the situation that shouldn't even be up for debate and that it could hurt their chances, that they look anti-law and order? >> well, it shouldn't, but, you know, you never know how public opinion can be formed.

you know, on one side we have a very small percentage of these protesters that take matters into their own hands. i've been to many of these protests. for the most part, they're vastly peaceful. and truthfully, on the other side of the question, you have a small number of police officers that are rogue officers who don't behave in a way consistent with our values. and i think we ought to leave the decisions to those folks, you know, who represent that broad middle who are thoughtful when they come the their questions about what we should do about policing, recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are good people who want to serve their community and try to keep it in bounds. i think very often the attention goes to the extreme cases. i do think we have to acknowledge that we have a problem with policing. democrats and republicans have agreed to that we need to do something. we're now going through the sometimes painful process of trying to reconcile our differences to actually get manager done. neil: so on that, finding some

common ground between republicans and democrats, that looks pretty difficult at this point, congressman. i'm just wondering, is it your sense that the push on the part of some of your colleagues to defund or limit funding for police departments is an acceptable solution? if. >> yeah, i don't think we want to defund the police. based on what i hear people interpret that as meaning. i do think the reform, and i saw the interview with senator daines who's a good friend of mine, we came to congress together, you know, his questions about reimagining policing, i think there's a legitimate conversation. in my mind what that means is not putting every social problem that we have in society on the backs of police to solve. whether it's addiction or domestic violence. very often in reimagining public safety, we can think of other ways to intervene in cases that are really not police matters, but that we have defaulted and essentially required our police

to be social workers, to be counselors and also to protect us. i think there is a legitimate question there. neil: dan, thank you very much. good catching up with you, dan kildee, big power broker in the house of representatives. we'll have more. ♪

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makes it way in toward the east coast of the u.s. and when it does, a few things happen along the way. we see really nice sunsets, that's one of the beautiful things about it. if you have respiratory issues, it certainly is a problem. we also watch for decreased tropical development. so tropical storms, we're in the season right now expecting to see a really active season, that activity gets tamperedded down because of this. we're watching a really big event. this is the strongest, most significant dust event we've had across the u.s. in over 50 years. this is where we are right now, i just wanted to show you a wide-out view from africa cutting across parts of the atlantic. we're going to see a few more bouts of this over the next couple of days. you see it in the southeast, we get a little rain tomorrow, it comes back tuesday and wednesday, neil. neil: wow. that's amazing. all right, rick, thank you very much, my friend. rick reichmuth, we'll be monitoring that all the way from halfway across the globe. it's amazing.

all right, when we come back here, mark cuban from texas. what he makes of what's happening in texas and why he's giving support to joe biden. after this. ...

>> all right. not just a pause, but kind of a reversal. right now going on in texas and also going on in florida. in dallas, texas and in tampa, florida, we're keeping a very close eye on things right now because the one thing they have in common, they're not just slowing down phased reopenings, but reversing in the case of bars that are essentially closed for business in texas, and closed for serving alcohol in florida. there are more sweeping measures considered in both states as well. in florida, for example, they're kicking around the idea closing miami beaches around the july 4th holiday, that's

next week. the quick developments at a time when those two states are getting focus from northeastern states that might not want passengers coming up north and might require that they quarantine themselves if they do. aishah hasn aishah hasnie from new york city, where this is going. >> hi, neil. yeah, this is a big deal for new york, new jersey, connecticut. basically they've got together and issued a travel advisory that impacts anyone coming from hot spots like florida, texas, alabama, places that new yorkers are vacationing to right now and returning home. governor cuomo said he's in discussions now with the airlines here in new york to try to figure out if they can, on the state's behalf, start to screen these domestic travelers basically ask them where they're coming from and perform temperature checks when they get off the plane. this is all happening, as you said, 37 states now across the

country are seeing spikes in coronavirus cases. states like idaho, with are they were already in phase four of reopening, when cases began to surge there. so, very concerning level. now, these 11 states, if you look here, have now taken steps to cause reopening efforts, and arizona nearly 1500 deaths and the governor says there could be more waves to follow this particular surge. he's asking residents to stay at home. >> when we reopened the economy, i said that this is a green light to proceed, not a green light to speed. there's no consideration of increasing activity. arizona is on pause. >> in texas, governor gregg abbott taking drastic action there, announcing, he's shutting down bars altogether and reducing restaurant capacity to 50%, as, neil, new

york city phase three is just around the corner here. so far phase two has been going pretty well. we haven't seen or heard of any surges so far and the grn of the state wants to keep it that way. neil. neil: thank you very, very much. in midtown manhattan on that. in the meantime, i do want to go to mark cuban right now. you know him as a billionaire investor, the mavericks owner. he's in texas and texas one of the states seeing spikes in cases like florida. speaking of florida, the cases raised by about 9,585 new cases, so that's about 500 more than yesterday, which is already a record. so, this, it looks like four straight days of record new cases of coronavirus in the sunshine state. texas has been dealing with similar alarming numbers as well. so, mark, the governor wanting to dial things back. what do you think?

>> you've got it. i mean, it's scary here right now. we're seeing record number of cases, we had 10 deaths yesterday and we're seeing a lot of them, as everybody knows, with the younger population, who is a lot less likely to adhere to guidelines and so we need to take more specific steps, so i'm glad he's dialing it back. neil: you know, there's always that balance. you and i have gotten into this before, this idea of keeping people safe, but also, reopening the economy so they can get their livelihood's back. the way it's going right now in texas, the way it's going in florida, the way it's going in arizona where at least they've put a pause on new openings, that this applies to another half dozen states looking at doing so. do you think this brings the recovery pace into question? >> oh, of course. you know, this all goes back to leadership. we could have stayed open if we had leaders who believed in science and said, look, here is the only way we're going to

stay open, that's if people wear masks, if businesses stick to protocol that adhere to cleanliness and all the issues that are required to keep businesses open and safe and customers safe and employees safe. we didn't have any of that, so, everybody just thought, you know what, numbers are down, things must be good now we're seeing what happens when there's a lack of leadership and now the states are trying to take all the responsibility with no federal support at all and that's making it even worse. neil: well, you know, republicans and the white house more to the point, mark, look, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. we've been pushing more testing, because governors said we needed more testing and provided that in spades and naturally get new cases, and it's not right. it's not fair just to say that this is some kind of a republican or a white house problem. what do you say? >> leadership is hard. you know, it's hard to lead in a pandemic. it's hard to lead when there's

social unrest. it's hard to lead when the economy is having so many difficulties, but that's what leaders do, they take on the tough problems and at least, if you don't have specific answers, be transparent. be honest, be authentic. neil: they say they are, mark, by going ahead and doing the testing, knowing full well it could lead to increase in cases and doing the thing that critics said they had, tested, and now they're getting called on the carpet for the-- >> again-- >> what do you say? >> just because you do the obvious, just because you do some right things, which is good, they deserve credit for all the testing. there's no communication. part of the leadership is telling people, particularly all the people in this country exactly what's going on and exactly where the risk factors are, exactly what the science is, when you're right you say this is what's working. when you're wrong, you have humility and say this is not what's not working. that's what's missing. we're having to decide in all the cities that are resurging,

we have to decide who to trust with our lives. how do we make decisions. nobody knows who to ask, let alone who to trust. that's a failure of leadership, and it's not just about testing. if you want to go there, what about tracking and tracing? here we're having increases in tests and no support from the federal government which should be a unified position on how to track and trace. there's no support there at all. every city and state is left to their own devices, which makes it much more difficult to track and trace because all the data is silos. so again, this comes down to a lack of leadership. >> did something happen between you and the president? you've never been best buds, but you were an ad hoc role in the advisory group giving president counsel on this issue. something happen, a falling out? >> no. neil: you've since said you're backing joe biden. am i hearing a guy with political sour grapes or what? >> no, no, not at all.

look, when people voted for president trump in 2016, i understood, right? people were tired of having politicians in office and while i didn't agree, i understood completely and respected people who voted for donald trump. in december of 2019 i would have understood why people would continue to support and vote for donald trump, the economy was great, we were flying along, you know, everything seemed to be-- not everything, but a lot of things seemed to be good to a lot of people. here we are in a pandemic and we are where we are and his response in this, look, it's not my fault. the chinese brought it in, don't blame me. that's not what leaders do. when you're a leader, you step up and provide comfort and details and provide information to the citizens so we can make the right decisions about our health and the economy. he hasn't done that. and so when the times came for him to truly step up in a difficult situation, he did not

and he has continued not to do so. and that is the problem. neil: joe biden hasn't exactly been winston churchill though? he's sitting on a lead and maybe just trying not to do anything to have trump be trump. is that encouraging or is he just the lesser of the, maybe the evils for you? >> well, we'll see what happens over the next few months. there's one 130 give or take days until the election and that's where we'll really find out and you're starting to see more of joanna little bit more scripted, but you know, the difference is, you know, the republicans are far better at creating these and dem demonizing people. i'm an independent, i think that joe and his campaign are going to have to step up their game and look, the difference between the two. president trump sits down with

sean hannity and his supporters and doesn't go out to the community and open up for questions. joe biden does which opens him up for making more mistakes. if you put yourself out there, take chances you'll make more mistakes. neil: he doesn't. the issue with joe biden, he doesn't do enough of that. i guess woo could debate that. i want your thought. you're an accomplished investor, i think people on the left and right would certainly acknowledge that, but i do wonder, wall street, argued, mark, is not really red or blue and it's green and they'd made a lot of money on this president. and joe biden maybe to a progressive wing of the party that will go after wall street. they're not too keen on that. what do you make of that? >> i think it's understandable. look, there's a part of me that says, yes, i'm going to vote for joe biden for president, but republicans down the ticket to create balance because i don't know where he stands on taxes and other economic issues and that's exactly what i told

his campaign. and until-- they were like after i said what i said on hannity, why don't you go out there and really talk to us, and they asked me about going to the democratic, virtually speaking democratic convention. i said i'm not going to do it until i see your economic policy and they said they'd come back with that and we'll see what they turn out to be. but it's con inconceivable that joe would be a great president and we'd get, you know, more interest in voting republican as a balance because, you know, it creates some road blocks and makes some things more difficult to do, but i mean, that's a necessity if you vote first for the economy. neil: real quickly, are we going to have a basketball season? the ideas i've been seen kicked around seem idiotic. >> yeah, i think we will. we will have the seeding games, eight games for the 22 going, go to orlando and it's not going to be easy to do the right things and keep everybody safe, but i think we'll be able

to pull it off and the reality is, it will be safer in the bubble in orlando than it may be for just people in dallas or any other nba city. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely, mark cuban, always a pleasure. thank you for taking the time. >> neil, thanks for having me on. neil: all right. mark cuban. asa hutchinson is the governor of arkansas, wouldn't you know in the middle of everything else that he deals with, he gets word some northeastern states are not keen on arkansas residents heading up north. wonder what he thinks of that, after this.

>> all right. if you're from any one of those facing a spike in cases, a message from northeastern, text new jersey, new york, connecticut. you can come here, but don't be surprised if we demand that you

quarantine yourself here. arkansas is one they're targeting given they've seen a spike. asa hutchinson joins us, the alaskan governor-- i'm sorry, the arkansas governor. what do you think of them wanting to lump you into some others where you're almost persona nongrata? >> neil, good to be with you. first of all, you understand where they're coming from, because they've had enormous challenge, deaths, hospital overflow because of their enormous peak there and they don't want that to return. so, i understand with are they're coming from. we in arkansas actually early on had a restrictions on travel very similarly for those that's coming from new york or new jersey. we did away with that because, as the virus moved across the country, the travel restrictions were not as significant or important and we also built our infrastructure and addressed it in different

ways. the fact is, we've had a lot of people that are looking at arkansas, moving out of new york and the northeast because of their isolation that they've had to go through. they want to go to a more open environment. and so, it's not going to help anybody to start isolating our economy. whenever you want a recovery, if new york wants to ban essential travel from-- or nonessential travel from all the other states, it hurts everybody's economy. we've got to pull together on this a little bit better. >> what do you think of how things are going now in your state? you would not be the first. in fact, there are 30 states right now that in one way, shape or form have seen an up-tick in cases, so severe, some not so severe. you're kind of in the middle there, but i'm wondering whether people are following the guidelines that you laid out? i know there was a concern, certainly, in other states that that wasn't happening so

governors, for example, in texas and in florida are revisiting distancing provisions, capacity restraints in bars, restaurants and that sort of of thing. what about you? >> by and large, they're following the guidelines. they're taking it have he seriously. they're concerned about it both on what they see nationally and the up-tick in cases in arkansas. so, there's not anything that we take more seriously than this virus right now. and whenever it comes to our opening, we fade until then. we didn't do it all at once and allows us to measure an increase in cases, whether from a restaurant or a bar and we do that contact casing. by the way going back to mr. cuban's interview if i might for a moment. everybody makes mistakes through this, but in contact tracing, we're able to expand it in arkansas because we've received federal funding that comes in and that's a pretty good partnership where they're

funding us, but we're able to implement this and do it in an accelerated fashion. so, there are some things that are working in that record, but we're measuring the openings and if we see anything that we've opened something and that's led to an up-tick in cases, then we can put those restrictions back in place. so we've got a strategy in place and we hope that we'll be able to break that up-tick in cases soon. neil: you know, governor, i had a chance to talk to your counterpart in ohio, mike dewine. they are dealing with potential issues down the road that might compel the governor from going, recommending, for example, wearing masks to distancing to enforcing it. i want you to react to governor dewine on how far you'd go to push the people to do i think so this he this should. this is governor dewine. >> you've been urging ohioans, wear masks.

you're not ordering it. given the up-tick in cases we were just discussing, do you think you should order it? >> we hope we don't get to that point. wearing a mask, keeping a distance, doing things we know are important, washing your hands. all of these things will keep us going and keep us with your economy open and allow our economy to grow. that's what we have to have people do and we're asking people to do that. so, we're not to the point where we're going to order them to do it yet. neil: are you at that point, governor? in other words, if you continue to see a rise, in case people aren't listening to the guidelines you and your staff put out, what do you do? >> well, we're not to that point and we hope we don't have to get to that point. i agree with governor dewine on that. in fact, if you look at seat belt laws, it took years and years and years of education before those laws were broadly accepted by the public. anytime you create a law or a

new social requirement like wearing masks, you have to have broad public acceptance for it to be meaningful. we are trying to create that broad public acceptance and having some success there and by and large people understand the messaging that that protects others and it's an unselfish act to wear a mask. when that message gets out, you're seeing the success of that. that's really the strength of what we're doing. so we wanted to rely upon that education, that voluntary compliance. i don't think a tough handed law is the right thing to do at this time on that. neil: all right. governor. thank you very much for taking the time. governor asa hutchinson from arkansas. we've got a lot more from seattle. you remember the six-blocks sealed off in seattle. they're unceiling it and getting kind of back to business as usual, but

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back. >> thank you, it's a little over a week since i was on your program. sadly it didn't go a little too far, it went way too far and continues to be too far. no, we don't have our precinct back and as we mentioned on your show, those businesses and residents that compromise that area, which are on dozens in the lawsuit. have a right to be angry, as well as the majority of citizen held hostage by a criminal elements that controls six blocks of city of seattle owned land, as well as privately owned land. neil: they've not left, they're not going away as the mayor seemed to intimate? go ahead. there were city entities, as far as heads that went into the area yesterday to try to remove some of the boundary areas, as far as blockades and they were met with resistance. armed people flocked into the

area and prevented those city entities and agencies to get the job done. so, no, this has not been solved. it's deeply troubling still. neil: oh, i imagine. what was weird about it and obviously what prompted a lot of the lawsuits in the making here, it wasn't only bad for business, it was bad for lives, especially when police had to get in to address a shooting in the area and protesters blocked them. i think one individual died, another was badly hurt. and still another later on in a celebrate incident. so what did you do or what could your men and women do, just sort of standoff and not get in? >> absolutely, that's what i said last time. there is a sum mack -- and chemicals in order to move the crowd back. as i mentioned on your show, the west sprint which houses

the communication center has been probed and defaced the last five nights. last night they were successful in breaching windows right outside the precinct. and so here we are, we are fighting for control of our police facilities so we can protect the majority of the public, but as you and i are both aware, this is a small group that are holding the entire city of seattle, the majority of its citizens hostage. an autonomous zone like chop imposes the will of the few on a majority. and this has metastasized across the entire nation. when are we going to get leadership to help solve the problem. if we want to come to the table and be stakeholders in this, what's happening, there's a socialist movement here that's now infected city hall politics, that's now every --

that's got everybody in our city held captive by this ideology. it's extremely, extremely difficult situation that we need to get a hold of immediately. neil: you know, this was really an outcry from the george floyd case and black lives matter and all of a sudden, saying police are bad, et cetera, et cetera. but the difference is, it had the support of the mayor of seattle and you know, the tacit support of the governor of washington, and i'm just wondering now, given the fact that certainly the mayor's changed her tune and these guys aren't leaving, what's next? >> well, great point, neil and i know that 5% of the budget has been to the negotiation process. and are there going to be -- so it's almost like a negotiation,

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>> you know, there's a battle between the states over the coronavirus and who is vulnerable and who shouldn't be welcome. you know, it's getting ante right now. new york governor cuomo says he issued an executive order to make those travel to high risk states, eligible for any covid based sick leave, i think he means florida, texas, arkansas, arizona. and speaking of which arizona coronavirus cases just jumped by 3,591 on saturday. it already ties the level back to june 23rd for the biggest daily increase sips the

pandemic started. the state employees best not to visit. all right. so the state's responses, you already heard from the arkansas gorp that he wasn't too keen on that, but a state's got to do what a state's got to do. in the meantime, there were elections this week, primary elickses to set the table up for the novacaine -- the november campaign. and there was a surprise on that when madison hawthorne, the north carolina congressional candidate beat out the one that donald trump wanted in this race. madison is on with us now. good to have you. >> neil, good morning, thank you for having me on. neil: i'm delighted. you're all of 24 years old, but i understand that you got elected and by the time you take office, assuming you do, you'll be 25, the minimum age

you need to be for a congressman you've got to covered. but you beat a donald trump favored candidate. that's the first time that that's happened. would you want the president's support in your race? >> absolutely would. not only would i want it, i'm fortunate to know i have it. on the night of the election i got a great call by president trumpment and i assured him by no mean did i think my victory was a referendum on his influence in north carolina. 99% of my supporters will be voting for president trump. how did you do this? first of all, you're very young, and you wanted to do it and you resonated because won it in very lopsided fashion. i don't think that many people saw that. what got you to do this? >> well, you know what, the biggest thing that made we want to run for congress was in 2016 when we had the house, the senate and the presidency. i was so excited to see some

sweeping changes and see a constitutional republic come roaring back, but it's very much like a lot of what our health care industry is today in america, i feel like so is our politics. you know, i feel like sometimes big pharma and big health care often times don't want to necessarily fully heal somebody because then they're losing their patients and i think sometimes even on the republican side when we had the house and senate. i feel like they did not want to fix all the problems that are facing america because they didn't want to lose their talking point. that's not what america deserves and that's why i want to return for congress. neil: there's a concern about the polls, all over the mass, you weren't for what you did. for the republican party and in general. he's in deep trouble, if your state of north carolina, i'm wondering what's going on? what do you think is happening?

obviously, you hoped them spol for putting nem it. the trend is not a trend. >> i think there's misinformation, because of the protests happening and an increase in covid-19 cases just like you were talking about in the last segment. it's unfortunate for me to hear that because it seems basic to me as we increase testing we're obviously going to see more cases of covid-19. what i think is important for people to highlight death rates are actually going down with coronavirus. and when people realize that it's not as much as they believe, i think we'll see the economy roaring back. and that's his silver bullet, the economy is what makes president trump so strong. i look forward to getting back to the 2019 that we won last

year. neil: do you think that the president with your state, moved a big part to florida and north carolinians don't like that. >> i'm passionate about this one. i don't blame the president at all. i blame king cooper. we have a governor taking radical stances when it comes to what our state is going to be allowed to do. going way over the head of the council state and i don't blame the president for taking it out of north carolina because you know, it probably would have been a severely limited capacity event and that's not what the republicans need. so he took it down to probably the jacksonville. in charlotte, they walked out on $40 million in revenue that would have been pouring into the state. so it's sad that the democrats are playing politics with something like the coronavirus

just to be able to think what they believe in a swing state. neil: i've heard stories that your fiancee and your friends thought it was joke when you said were you running-- i'm sure your fiance say took your seriously. but here you are. what made you think you could pull it off and that you could still pull it off? it was an audacious step, you were going after an establishment. what made you do that? >> well, you know, i don't know what stories you're hearing, but my best friends flew from from all over the country to lep with the campaign a-- help with the campaign and my fiancee has been nothing, but supportive. we pulled off 18 hour days, we know the district well and we know the people here, they don't take well to cronyism and that's what we saw in the beginning of the campaign going up against my component.

we started out as a 12-way primary. and me, my friends, my family, even without the president endorsing, we didn't blink. neil: maybe i was talking to too many old people. maybe nigh problem. and good luck in all of this, you certainly got the nation's attention. by the way we did reach out davis, the democratic candidate. he'll be here next week, fair and balanced. this is a seismic event in north carolina and bears repeating for its significance. ! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%.

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>> all right. i always like to say that polls are snapshots. one snap, the shot, the image goes away and we move onto the next poll. for the time being, they do not

look good. that is the trend of the polls for the president losing in every one of the key battle ground states from low single digits to double digits. if the election were held today and you buy the polls, joe biden would win in a walk and have and would need 270 to win. and not only in the industrial states, but across the nation. >> hey there, neil. well, the polls show president trump trailing former vice-president joe biden in several key states, including battle ground florida where biden has the greatest advantage. biden tops trump there by 9 points, 49 to 40%, up from a 3 point edge in april. some groups key to his reelection are split down the middle, including men and voters age 65 and older. biden's advantage though is coming from women, millennials

and hispanics, and in north carolina, trump has a 9 point advantage on the economy, but biden has a 13 point advantage over trump on race relations and also a significant gender gap between the two, men preferring trump and women going for biden. in georgia which trump won by 5 points in 2016, the shift away from trump is almost entirely attributable to softer support among men. perhaps the most surprise willing results from texas where biden has a slight advantage within the margin of error. both texas and georgia were once relybly red states not considered up for grabs in the 2020 cycle. the results are coming on the heels after disappointing turnout at president trump's first rally since the coronavirus pandemic began. neil. neil: thank you very much. appreciate it. let's go toen svengali behind the clintons, mark joins us right now. the comparison, mark, that

people have made polls four years ago that showed hillary clinton also enjoying leads over then candidate trump, and the leads evaporated so the trump folks come back and say the same thing will happen. is there a difference in the candidates as you see it? >> well, there is a difference in the candidates because hillary clinton had such high negatives relative to joe biden, but i think the interesting thing in the polls that i've followed, you know, i do a bunch of polls, and the harris poll, what we really saw was that trump and the republicans as the race issues surfaced, as the virus, i think, became more difficult, really took a nosedive whereas biden didn't actually improve his internal number, but he improved in the difference between the two in the horse race and bill clinton who had been successfully managing the

crisis, took a 7 or 8 point nosedive and those are the problems, real problems that are quite difference from the dynamics of the race four years ago. neil: you know, at least these things could be seminal events when you have the wall street journal puts out an editorial saying the president has reverted to his worst form, criticizes veering off otherwise promising topic, lambaste the press or those who criticized him at a crucial time. do you buy that? >> look, i think that is pretty much spot on. i think that these were critical presidential challenges. you're in a reelection campaign. i managed president clinton, you've got to have an agenda, future better than the past. i think that people say, well, it was a great economy. he still gets the president credit on the economy, two big

new issues came up and the president doesn't seem to be winning those, joe biden is winning those issues, even as he's not taking an active part in them because the president is failing in them. that's just the public judgment right now. neil: you know, mark, the biden folks are playing rope-a-dope here and hope the president hurts the president and joe biden just lays low and reports, you know, comes out of his bunker basement to say something and then goes back down because the president's imploding. do you buy that or, you know, obviously things change in campaigns. so how do you see this all sorting out? >> well, i do think it's been trump v trump and trump was winning against trump and now trump is losing against trump. and i think that trump knows that, actually, because everybody knows that. i have rarely, in my polling history seen the kind of nosedive that occurred in the last two months. frankly after both the president and the republicans were studily improving the

margin and two months earlier for the first time were beating democrats and i was sounding the alarm, it's a radical shift if public opinion and i think it's real. neil: of course. >> do they change, do they change? do they have enough time to change it? if someone has a lead over you at this point, how much does that stick? >> well, look, because these changes were fairly quick, that means you always do have the potential for snap-back here because voters often times return to where they were, if they get the cues for comfort that they have, you know, and that would require kind of a complete reboot, probably the president's campaign. is it possible? yes, it's absolutely possible that these numbers could close. the biden campaign will really start to get into high gear once there's a vp nominee, and once the vp gets out there. neil: we'll watch it closely.

thank you, mark penn. the issue of the protests and violence, that, too, could be an election changer. a sheriff in wisconsin on what's going on thereafter this. rengthen your immunity. starvation dieting, processed foods, shakes, and diet gimmicks have made us heavier and sicker. the solution for losing weight the right way is golo. we help transform your body and change your lifestyle, so you can lose weight and get healthier. over 20,000 people of all ages, and entire families, switch to golo every week, because golo works. golo is a unique approach to weight loss that targets insulin resistance and body fat. insulin resistance makes it easy to gain weight and harder to lose it. golo is a patented system that uses natural plants and minerals, and sound nutrition to help your body convert fat to energy faster. so you'll lose weight while improving your health and immunity. join over 1 million people who found golo,

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>> all right. forget about protecting statues. the sheriff down in wisconsin has a keep an eye on folks, real live folks who might come in harm's way with planned protests in the madison, wisconsin air. and sheriff dave mahoney with us. how are things looking right now? it's been a bumpy 48 hours to put it mildly. >> we had significant violence on this past tuesday night, but wednesday, thursday, and last night were fairly peaceful

protests. neil: now, the protests are still post-george floyd related or have they become other issues? >> no, they are pass a result of the incident in minneapolis and the loss of life of george floyd. neil: going forward in wisconsin, i mean, how do you balance that? obviously, people to your point, sheriff, people have a right to peacefully protest. where you get involved is when they veer from that and last tuesday did. how are you preparing for still planned demonstrations this weekend? >> well, you know, we believe in upholding the right of people to gather and to air their grievances and freedom of speech, but when that line crosses into violence and it challenges, the life and safety of our citizens and even protesters, it's time to law enforcement to step in. you know, the back drop of this, you're aware of what's going on with congress in other

states, maybe wisconsin as well, where they're trying to rein in police departments. do you feel authorities have your back? >> yeah, i do. you know, we as law enforcement leaders must always remember the authority given to law enforcement is given by the public that we serve. these past few weeks since the incident in minneapolis, i've actually worked with senator scott and his staff and with speaker pelosi on the house bill to ensure that the changes, the reforms in this profession reflect the needs of our communities and reflect the needs of law enforcement to do their job. neil: got it. i'm sure it will go well, sheriff. thanks for keeping the peace, and the dane county, wisconsin sheriff. hopefully peacefully. we'll look at efforts to guard

statues and go after those that try to damage statues, leland vittert and gillian turner will be exploring that as fox news continues. i'll see you on monday.

>> the nation's monuments have some new protection this weekendment the president signing an executive order to, quote, not allow violent mobs incited by radical fringe to decide what can and cannot be celebrated in public places and he's backing it up with the threat of long prison sentences for those who destroy america's monuments. i'm leland vittert in washington. gillian, good to be with you. >> good to be with you, too, leland. being out and about covering rallies and protests and