that is it for today, have a great week. we will see you next "fox news sunday". ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hello america, i'm lif mark within. we have two great guests tonight. my first guest i've admired from afar for many decades. leo terrell, civil rights attorney for three decades, before that a school teacher in the l.a. school district and so far, leo, first of all, i want to thank you because i've been watching you over the past few months, and you've been very consistent,

you believe in the rule of law, you believe in due process in the constitution and whether it is going on now or what you felt was going on before, you've been very steady in your viewpoint but you been speaking out a lot about black lives matter, about intifada and the rhetoric in their conduct, what is driving you right now? >> thank you very much for having me mark. i have 30 years invested at the civil rights attorney, public school teacher as you mentioned, and i'm frustrated and disappointed in the democratic party in the left. i mean, it really started a couple weeks ago when joe biden made that comment, that awful comment, that insulting comment that if you vote republican you ain't black. i'm a civil rights attorney. that statement was condescending and insulted every african-american, every american. then you follow up with a

series of protesting which is perfectly okay but the failure of a democratic to call out the rioting and the looting, the murder, something that i could no longer sit and stay quiet. then you have these comments about defunding the police. i want everyone to know i have a sister in law enforcement and i may criticize bad police officers because mark, 97, 98% of the officers are great. they protect you and i at two or three in the morning. and two or 3% are horrible but my goodness, to defund the police, to take away law and order and then you have this unbelievable situation where the democrats will not criticize black lives matter, black lives matter is disingenuous. why? because there's only certain

black lives that they care about. what about that retired black officer david dorn, a black man, murdered defending a business. i didn't see black lives there, i didn't see al sharpton there, it certain blacks they care about. where is the democratic leadership calling out the protesters. they are fine, but never criticizing the looters, never criticizing those who are burning properties. that drives me nuts and then what i cannot understand is when there is an opportunity to do legitimate police reform when you have a great south carolinian senator tim scott working his butt off 24-7 to get justice reform the democrats will not work with them because they do not want the perception that the republicans are working on police reform. and finally mark, you know what, people may criticize the

president, but what american doesn't want law and order. i do, president trump does, and here's a man, that executive order accomplished more regarding police reform, creating a database then what obama and biden administration have done in eight years. that is why i am being persistent and speaking out. i have credibility to speak out and i will continue to speak out on these issues i have just raised. >> you talk about black lives matter, you also have this. [inaudible] you also look into this organization that really are marxists organizations. there also supporters of the bernie sanders campaign. you don't here's ernie sanders

speaking out, pelosi, schumer, we don't hear them speaking out. more to your point, do you think now this very radical element which does not represent the vast majority of americans, does not represent the vast majority of african-americans, they're not up for vote, they just claim two. you think this is a growing element within the democrat party? you think that's why the leadership of the democrat party is giving silent approval really to what they're doing? >> you know mark, i think black lives matter has dominated social media and the perception as they control the democratic party. i'm hoping, i'm begging, i'm praying they don't control the democratic party but the current status right now, it is. it has control of the democratic party. it has muted democratic leadership. the democratic leadership is afraid of black lives matter for a variety of reasons. one is the most insulting. they assume they speak for african americans. let me be clear.

black lives matter does not speak for leo terrell and there is no representative, no monolithic group like black lives matter that speak for african american. we are individuals and we have our own individual opinion. i can assure you those african-americans in these democratic cities, they want law and order. that's the goalpost between the criminal and a safe neighborhood, but what black lives have done is they have hijacked the the democratic party. the democratic party has remained silent fearing they will alienate mainstreet blacks. trust me leadership, you won't alienate mainstream black voters. but the black lives leadership has control the platform for the democratic party as we speak. >> you talk about the fact that black lives matter doesn't seem to care much about mr. dorn who was murdered in cold blood,

wonderful man by all accounts, and others by the way, white, black, interracial, the very template they push a narrative. you've got, going on in our cities today particularly when you look at cities like chicago, absolute slaughter taking place. the number of people who are shot in one weekend, not long ago was over 100 people were shot. 15 people killed. five of which were little kids. one of which was a 3-year-old. i don't hear a thing. by the way, i don't hear a thing from the mainstream media. or black lives matter. i don't hear people marching about this, i don't even see sharpton marching about this. when you look at that little 3-year-old kid who was sitting in the car, or that 13-year-old girl who was sitting, watching tv, a bullet went through her neck. at 16 and 17-year-old kids, boys who are out behaving,

having a good time, somebody walks up and murders them and it's like nobody knows their name. it just moves on and that's the end of it and let's get back to the cops. i don't understand the mindset of these organizations. shouldn't you be in these neighborhoods marching for protection, and there are, there are pastors, there are anti- crime individuals, but their voices aren't heard. it's the mom's voice that's hurt. what you think about. >> i'll tell you, you hit it right on the head. here's the problem, this is why black lives matter. it's basically, in my opinion, the al sharpton of the 21st century. they are profiteers. they are profiting on trying to give a narrative, a false narrative that is white racist cops that are destroying the black community. you point out chicago, no black lives present walking

through the neighborhood, protesting to stop black on black crime. al sharpton goes to the george floyd funeral, used a funeral to launch a campaign speech attacking donald trump, i don't see al sharpton in chicago, that 3-year-old kid who was killed, you know why because it's not profitable. there's no money to be made. and this narrative which is, again, i have the credibility. attack me. as a civil rights attorney i know there may be one or 2% of bad cops, but 98% are great and when you talk about chicago, you talk about atlanta, you talk about washington d.c. and l.a., this big lie of systemic discrimination, how can you have systemic discrimination in chicago when the leadership is minority. i know what systemic discrimination is. it does not exist, but yet this is the narrative that the black lives leadership. trace, the democratic

leadership, systemic discrimination. it doesn't exist. this is not 1960. this is 2020. i, an african american on your show. it's not like it was 50 years ago but black lives matter and the democratic leadership wants you to think it's 1960. well, i'm sick of that narrative. >> and leo, the democrat party doesn't have any answers. the democrat party runs these cities with an iron fist. it's one party rule, all the money from the feds and the state and the local tax flows through their hands. they choose people for these highest position, even police chief, but prosecutors are locally elected, they do not support school choice, they're in bed with these public-sector unions, they got introduced, free market

principles where people can be encouraged to make profits, to invest, all these things that the rest of the country does is not happening in our inner cities and it's not because people are minorities. it's because you've got ironfisted one-party rule that will not introduce true reform. it has the democrat party agenda. does that make sense to you? >> oh yes and the most important question that i learned in law school is why. why do they do that? have been trying to figure it out and i know why. it's pandering. they are power based. they want their constituents to believe that the democratic party and the government has to do everything. it's the only way they can stay in power. they don't want charter schools, they don't want choice, they don't want people of color to think for themselves, to work and make their own career choice, they want the government to hand out, they want their constituents to believe that the government is everything for them.

i won't drink that kool-aid anymore because choice, opportunities make personal decisions has to take place for people of color, for anyone in this country to move up. i made personal decisions to go to law school, to become a schoolteacher, to work, and i will no longer buy the record, by democratic to make the assumption that only government can help you out, no one else. i refuse and reject that premise. >> the irony leo is if you want to burn the system down, they are the system in the inner cities in these blue areas, and they want to make the system bigger and more powerful and more centralized for people's independence, their liberty, their ability for free will, it's crushed so on the one hand they told us

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welcome back. civil rights lawyer leo terrell. what kind of reaction are you getting from friends and family and colleagues when they see you taking such a courageous stand, when they see you really saying to the democrat party you're not my party anymore when you tolerate this and celebrate this. i'm a civil rights lawyer you say, i've represented many of these people, i have a love for these communities and you're not helping. what two people say to you? >> mark, the amazing thing is i given my entire career to civil rights, hoping people who are disadvantaged, who look like me and represent anyone because i do believe in the principle that we live in a colorblind society but ever since the last three or four weeks, people who i know, why work with, the silent treatment, the no comment, the

absence of phone ringing and asking do you want to talk, you want to meet, and you want to go out and you know what, it hurts but it doesn't deter me because on the other side i'm hearing people who are saying thank you, i appreciate what you're doing, i'm glad you're speaking out. you're expressing my views. i get emotional about this because of my mom and dad and how they told me to use what i've learned through school to help people and the people i've helped for 25 plus years have basically turned their back but you know what, i could probably help them by speaking out because i can sleep well at night with a good conscience. the name-calling, so billy can be it. it is the obligation of the civil rights attorney and american to make sure we uplift everyone ended speaking out and telling the truth about how i feel as an

individual. not for every afternoon american but as an individual, african american and american that i'm going to continue to speak out. >> you been doing a superb job you've always done a superb job. i would ask you this. the way that nancy pollutes he talks about the president, the way that she talks about republicans, the way she talks about the police, schumer does the same thing, other democrats do it, there all over tv, they bring in these professors were absolutely radical, people go on and on and are very racialized. everything's about race. not about you name humanity or unity or americans and i see these people all over tv. they're constantly on, their

contributors to these newsrooms and so forth, i really believe the leadership of the democrat party today in the media have contributed mightily to what we are seeing in the street. there narrative, their social activism agenda and i'm not talking about liberal, i'm talking radical and i think it's contributed mightily to what we are seeing now. what are your thoughts. >> thank you very much for your question because you are one 100% correct. first, let me go after the pelosi, the schumer, using the reference that was a direct racial insult to tim scott. they are basically encouraging this type of chaos of what we see on the streets right now. why. they are obsessed with democratic leadership. anybody but trump. they prop up a guy named joe biden who has done nothing for

people of color and what donald trump has done with the funding for historical black colleges, they don't want to give him credit so they attack , they attack, they attacked. they have no platform. they have no platform as we speak. all they are writing on and hoping for is that there is this anger toward donald trump. that's not to be enough to win the election. >> but you mentioned the other half of the equation, these contributors on the other two cable networks which i will not dignify by mentioning their nam name. >> and i challenge every single one of those contributors. they constantly talk about racism, that the country is totally divided on race and selling race books and basically encouraging the destruction of the fabric of our country. monuments, flags, institutions , destroy everything. you have people with fancy

titles talking about the destruction of our current system. i debated one of those individuals, i don't want to mak mention his name, cornell west who's never been out there to understand the logic of what's going on and i'll tell you right now, i'm telling your viewers, don't listen to those people. make a decision of informed information because you're getting rhetoric, you're getting kool-aid coming getting propaganda and you have only one agenda defeat donald trump and that's not good enough for me. >> have had shelby steele on this program a few times and he suffered through segregation, his parents did and so forth and he was a civil rights activist. he said i want my fellow african americans to know you are free, you are free. do whatever you want, become whatever you want just go out and live your life you are

free but he says, and i see you have other people were saying the opposite, that you can't achieve, that you can become something because of your race, because of historic segregation, because of historic slavery when he said that is what kills the black community. you are free. now go out and be a free human being. what you think about that. >> he's absolutely correct. i don't recall any obstacles to prevent me from going to law school. i wasn't denied the opportunity to take the california state bar. i wasn't denied the opportunity to start a law practice. i wasn't denied the opportunity to become a teacher but it goes back to that basic principle. there are profiteers. the current profiteer is black lives. how can corporations give millions of dollars to black lives. what is the organizational structure?

what are they doing with the money. corporations, stop giving money. al sharpton once the afternoon american community to believe that the governments and the bogeyman and the white guy are all against us. why mark? so that he can be a profiteer and that is the mindset. african-americans need to wake up. >> leo tirrell, you have a wonderful background as a civil rights attorney with the consistent, you've been consistent your entire life, civil liberties and civil rights. you've been extremely brave. thank you. i love this country. >> we'll be right back. (timer chimes) i don't have to worry about that, do i?are irritated.

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newsom ordered that all bars and in several counties shut down. the state is still planning to reopen as of now with the rising cases is casting doubt on that plan. now back to life, liberty and ln >> welcome back. i have with me a dear friend, many of you know who he is, colonel allen west. author of we can overcome, a tremendous patriot. welcome. the first thing i want to ask you, because the whole country wants to know you had a horrific motorcycle accident. can you fill us in on your condition. >> markets great to be with you. i want to personally thank you for the phone call that you

gave to me to it extend your prayers and i want to think so many people for all the prayers out there in the well wishes. i was about a month ago i was involved in a catastrophic motorcycle crash. people don't survive those at 75 miles per hour on the highway. i have severe road rash on my arms and children face and i dislocated my shoulder completely, destroyed the shoulder socket bone in my right surgery. i've had surgery to reconstruct it and i'm going to physical therapy right now, but my recovery is going very well and i'm back to running, i'm up to about 4.5 miles so i'm in the fight. that's most important thing. >> and i don't need to tell you most people don't survive accidents like that so god must've been looking after you for good reason. >> i want to get into what you

see going on around you. first of all, just a general question, you been around a while, you've seen combat, you've seen some of our cities burning, you've seen riots, you've seen the media, how they reported on this and how democrat mayors are conducting themselves, just give us generally what is your feeling about what you are seeing. >> what we are seeing is an ideological civil war we are seeing people that have gone beyond that constitutional right in this now has become tradition about undermining the very foundation of fundamental principles of value of the united states of america as a constitutional republic. when you have people going on aaron saying if our demands are not mapper to bring the system down, when you have individuals going into a major

surge and destroying monuments and memorials in going after our history and our traditions, there is no difference between what we see happening in america right now and what the taliban ended in afghanistan and northern iraq and syria. it's the exact same thing with establishing these autonomous zones. this comes down to one simple choice that we all have to make. do we stand for the rule of law or are we going to allow mob rule in the united states of america. >> it's interesting, i pointed out on my radio show while they were pulling down statues of washington and jefferson in the founders and framers, do they realize where their bill of rights come from? do they realize their free speech and freedom to peacefully assemble and the right to a fair trial and due process, a speedy trial, do they realize that probable

cause warrant it's all in the bill of rights and those were adopted by men who didn't own slaves and men who did out own slaves, in other words you can take a photograph of these men and say they own slaves which was bad, which was horrific, but then to tear down everything they did so the rest of us could live free at some point in the future, i notice they're not tearing up the bill of rights on advice to them so there is a great deal of hypocrisy here. >> there's an incredible deal of hypocrisy there's also the situation on ethics in the sense of entitlement when they see their ideological agenda is giving them the right to do whatever they wish. when you look at nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and they're not coming out and condemning these actions, that tells you this is an extension of the democrat party but the real issue that we have here mark

is that were not teaching civics and history. we also and start teaching social studies. that's very subjective. the other thing that's happening is people don't understand the three branches of government. what the left believes in him is the three branches of rule and that means the control of our course in media and academia. let me give you a great example of how insidious it is that you have people going out there tearing down monuments, they tore down and defaced the memorial to the 54th. [inaudible] in boston. that was the very first organized black units that serve the united states of america so it shows you that people going out there they don't have any idea of the history of the united states of america and that's why i think it's a personal offense that they would destroy a monument to the men who are

part of my legacy having served in the united states army for 22 years. >> that's an excellent point. let me add to this. this is a mob and depending on which you speak today it's a different cause. the common thread among them all is, bring the system down. either meteyard man's or burn our system down. my answer to him is who the hell do you think you are to be burning systems down. you don't represent anybody in this country, black, white, brown, red, yellow, whatever. you represent nobody. this is a mob, a marxist mob. the two leaders admit there trained in marxism. i think this is a throwback. there better funded and bigger organized than the underground in the 1960s. that was absolutely violent and link to marxism. what you think about that. >> when you thing about that name black black lives matter it's very oxymoronic because

are not focused on the issues in the black community. one of the big problems is fatherlessness. when you look at the fact that i was born in 1961 i'm about 70% of black kids had both mother and father in the home. today that's down to 24%. you don't hear black lives talking about that. when you go to their website it says the traditional nuclear family is a representation of black supremacy. you don't hear them talking about the genocide of 20 million black babies murdered in the womb since 1973. the biggest issue is the equality of opportunity and education and educational freedom. they don't stand for school choice, it's a marxist organization. they said that. but what they have been able to do is go out and cooperative name or title of black lives matter that has put people on their heels and made people up afraid to challenge them for being called a racist to the point

that they raise over $460 million in the last couple months because they are a mob that's extorting businesses and people prep. >> when we come back allen west, i want to ask you about, the mention of corporations. what about these professional athletes and sports leagues that are bending over backwards and going on and on about systemic racism and oppression

what you make of these athletes and coaches and

commissioners all now taking a knee to black lives matter. >> again, it's very appalling that you would have these corporations and businesses and you have these franchises like the nasa football league that our cowering and acquiescing and surrendering to a marxist movement which is what black lives movement is. i did a video in response to what bret favre said in his comparative analysis. pat was a man who quit the nfl and decided to join the army, enlisted in the army and become an infantry, airborne, ranger and was sadly killed in friendly fire in combat in afghanistan. how do you make that comparison to someone like colin kaepernick. the only reason why bret favre does that come the only reason why someone like drew brees apologizes or roger get

delegates on his knees, the only reason why you have the head of chick-fil-a talking about white people need to shine the shoes of black people is because they don't have their courage to stand up and say what needs to be said. they continue to believe you can appease a mob. the model never be happy and the leader of black lives matters that they will bring the system down. you cannot negotiate, you cannot meet someone like that on an ideological field field and believe you can have reasonable discourse. >> isn't it time that those of us who embrace this country, revere this country, believe in this country, that we get behind our police officers, that we get behind the national guard, that we get behind politicians like president trump, were trying to figure out how to deal with this and let them know while there may be those people but there's 250 or 300 million of us that take a different view that we love this country, we have people who have fought

for this country and our family, we work every day to make this country work in our own little role in our own little lives were sick and tired so we stand behind the cops in the military, we stand behind the commander-in-chief. don't you think we should speak out more. >> we have to speak out more. when i think about my own family, my father fought for this country and world work to. he was a corporal in the army. my other brother was in vietnam. my nephew has continued to serve right now. my father-in-law served two tours. that has nothing to do with being black, white, hispanic, asian, whatever. it's about being an american, standing up and taking the oath to support the pentecostal institution. it brings me back to the great quote that says these are the times that try a man's soul. will they shrink from their

duty but to those who will take a stand, they will deserve the admiration of all men and women. this is a gut check moment for americans. we know who the opposition truly are, what they stand for, what they believe in and what their goals and objectives are. either were going to be a sunshine patriot or were going to need those people to stand as thomas jefferson said in madison style, swim with the current. he met beautifully put. when you look around at that foxhole, are you looking to see how many white guys are black guys or hispanic guys or you looking to see how many fellow americans are there where you're standing shoulder to shoulder. i suspect you look at each other as americans. we'll be right back.

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let's not kid ourselves. the people on the street are democrat, not a single one of them is going to vote republican. not a single is going to vote for donald trump. many were bernie sanders supporters now there biden supporters. this is why think the democrat party is kind of just either standing back or celebrating come of this is why the democrat mayors and governors aren't coming down and the ladders and the looters are

pulling monuments down, and one of the cofounders of black lives matter admitted it. she said we've got to get rid of trump. that's the goal. get rid of trump. he should resign right now. we've got to get rid of him and that's the goal. other in other words we have to elect biden. so what you do when one political party, the bit biggest clinical party in the country is really embracing this kind of radicalism. >> i think the most important thing is to draw that delineation. i live here in texas and there was a 26 rolled by the name of william who at the alamo was surrounded by two or 3000 of the mexican army and he took out his sword, he drew a line in the sand and he said which side of the line are you going to stand on and i think that's the moment we are at in the united states of america were we need to have someone who stands up and says there's a line in the sand and either juergen stand with the mob and the radicals and the progressive socialist, marxist the people that do not believe

in individual sovereignty, they believe in subjugation or juergen a stand for what america truly is ready want to see the fundamental transformation of the greatest gift that god has given the world and that's this nation. this nation has been a beacon of liberty, freedom and all the things that enable a person such as me born in the inner city of atlanta georgia to achieve whatever success i wanted because i could pursue my own happiness. i don't need anyone to start telling me they can guarantee my happiness. i don't need anyone to start believing there is not quality of outcome that they've determined. that's the choice we have to make in the united states of america. there's two different philosophies, you been talking about it for so long and now it's here. it's either a constitutional conservatism or its progressive socialism and that is what we have to decide in this year's 2022 this election really is about liberty and tyranny. you either support liberty and

the founding and our founding documents in the bill of rights, all that this country has been through for well over 200 years and all the men and women who have died securing our liberty or you want to burn it down if your demands are not met. that's really the choice in this election, isn't it. >> that is absolutely the choice and again it goes back to what i said earlier. if you stand for the rule of law or you stand for mob rule and that's a simple choice. i think it does not come down to republican and democrat, it comes down to what your principles and values are. what you believe in, and i don't think there are true americans out there that want to stand with the people that are ripping down our monuments, the people that are trying to revise our history and reimagine our history, the people want to burn our system down. were not radicals. we don't want to look like venezuela, we don't want them running around threatening us and intimidating us and chorus

us into threatening us with their vision for the united states of america. >> their humiliating themselves in professional sports and hollywood, the monuments coming down, this is not america, this is something else but i want to thank you alan, it's so good to know you're on the recovery. we need you back in the front lines. god bless you and your beta for family. >> thank you so much. god be with you. you two. >> we'll be right back. lexus will welcome you back with exceptional offers on exceptional vehicles. get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. are made with farm grownal apples as the first ingredient. experience amazing and key nutrients you want. so you can have a daily multivitamin free of stuff you don't want.

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immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. welcome back. we've had two seminal elections in the history of this country. 1860 and 1864, the reelection of abraham lincoln and the confederacy was hoping on the defeat of lincoln.

lincoln almost was defeated until the battle of atlanta and sherman, burning down atlanta and marching through georgia right to the ocean. now we have the third most coming up in 2020. donald trump stands between us and the mob. in the mob is led by the democrat party. the vast majority of its history the democrat party has been a very evil force in this country with some exception, but it is a party that has never expec accepted americanism. it's a party of the confederacy. after the civil war, it's the party of decades of segregation. as the party of literacy tests and jim crow right up into the 1960s. and so, it was the party of the confederacy and so many bad things in so-called democratic socialism and yet what you see in black lives matter and tivo which has now become a militarized wing of the democrat party and they do

not denounce it, not in any sustained significant way because these people are in a vote for joe biden but you see now it's an effort by the democratic party which is really a continuation of what it's been doing the last few years. the obama administration where biden's vice president, used spies to go into the trump campaign, they violated fisa court requirements, they criminalize politics with the appointment of special counsel, they impeached an innocent man, they attack his supporters, they denounce his supporters and what they are doing now is taking to the streets. this election is pivotal. if you believe in this country or you don't. if you believe in the constitution and the bill of rights or you don't. either you believe in free-market capitalism or you don't. and let me tell you something, if you don't you're going to lose your freedom and so are your children and your grandchildren. this is a seminal election. it's about the life you have today and the life these other people want you to have, whether they're in the media

or incorporations or the streets. that's how important this is so don't let anybody tell you any differently. thank you for joining us and i will see you next time on life, liberty and the vent. -- "life, liberty & levin". >> good evening and welcome to "the next revolution". this is the home of positive populism. pro- worker, profamily, pro- community and always pro- america. with us matt gates and fox news contributor lisa booth. moments away we will be joined by congressman andy bates and head of the freedom caucus. but first, do not underestimate the significance of the bolton effect. this is not just a short-term swamp story that will