>> it is a present pleasure to be with you this morning carrie what a great way to start the week. to get you as well, melissa. outnumbered starts right now. this is a fox news alert. president from doubling down th reports that russian military officials offered bounties to kill u.s. troops in afghanistan paired the u.s. says intelligence never briefed the president or the vice president. the president tweeting last night intel reported to me that they did not find this info credible and therefore did not report it to me. possible another fabricated breccia hoax. the new york times as reporting that unnamed intelligence officials say they believed som

militants or criminal elements collected payouts for dead americans. meanwhile, house speaker nancy pelosi is of ignoring allegations of misdeeds by breccia yet again. take a listen. >> i don't know what the russians have on the president president or whatever it is, bu he wants to ignore. the trump administration is set to reef select members of congress on this today. some are calling for answers. >> this is outnumbered outnumbered. i am jillian turner here today with ss fox news can bring contributor host of kennedy on foxbusiness. fox news contributor jessica tarver have, and joining us today is the anger of bill hammer reports, mister bill hammer himself. thank you so much for being here .

i made the mistake of logging back onto twitter saturday morning. i saw so much had changed, it i still such a mess so we go onward for the next 59 minutes. >> wade to kill the weekend moj by logging onto twitter. before we dig in on this, i wan to ask you to take a look at th big picture for us. when you relook at the reports of the intelligence reports, yo look at the response from the administration, do you see something that they can kind of tamped down today and get back under control, get off the fron page of the news cycle, or is this another russian collusion to plano story? >> i got the story was a bit confusing earlier today. this is what i do believe in th bers of congress today, we will probabl have an answer in this story

about 5:00 p.m. this afternoon because there will be leaks. that being said, it's a fact that president trump wants to reduce troops in afghanistan paired it's also a fact that many democrats think he's in th back pocket of vladimir putin. for now i think you take the president at his word. he said u.s. intel could not confirm it. it is noon and the east coast and that's where this story is. the senior national security official in the white house, they told us, first they confirmed then they said the reason he was not debriefed is because the intelligence committee had not formed a consensus on the trees of the underlying intelligence. what you make of that? >> why is the washington post, ap, and new york times reportin with such confidence but in within the intelligence community itself, there is stil

disconnect. there are so many important questions outstanding here. if you look at it through a skeptical lens, you ask yourself , what did the president know, and what else did he know that he's not taking action on. i don't trust russia, none of this surprises me. i feel that they are a total propagandist. i think they are bad actors wit bad intentions. obviously, they want to be the dominant force in afghanistan. that is america's longest war. we should not still be there. our objectives are all over the place. but given all of that, it is

still important to know what th president knew, and why there i a disconnect between what is being reported and what is bein discussed within the intelligence committee d itself. kincaid the other really important question that lawmakers are now asking really both sides of the aisle from speaker pelosi to liz cheney is if this intelligence as real, i it is proven to be true, why wa president trump not briefed on it. we have democrats now talking about a major intelligence failure if ultimately we find that this stuff as true. >> absolutely. i've been following that side o the story as well and hopefully we can get some answers because the intelligence committee did knew something like this and even if one or too of them thought it was credible, and it didn't make it to the vice president or the president, we have a huge problem over there. i was told that could happen by 5:00 p.m. today. it will be interesting to know if there is an underlying reaction here that this is something related to vladimir putin who has always been a bit of a soft spot for president trump. we remember him standing up there and saying heat they didn't meddle in their elections

. because it is so painful to watch as an american. that move in helsinki was something they got widespread condemnation on both sides of the aisle. vladimir putin is the core problem here. it is consistent. he has no place with the wester democracies. he shouldn't be a part of the g et cetera and the president needs to get on the same page with that. >> lisa, i'm going to let you respond to jessica's claims tha president trump has a soft spot for vladimir putin because i'm sure you want to do that. first, take a listen, to what white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany said a couple of hours ago. >> nancy pelosi is entirely off base. this president has been tough o russia, sanctioning targets. talking about alleged

intelligence that was never briefed to the president of the united states. what is she doing? taking a reports based on anonymous sourcing that was jus dead wrong. the new york times was wrong believe it or not. >> so she is saying there that president trump has been toughe than his predecessors on russia what say you, lisa? >> i would say shouldn't we all be concerned that we're ever even having this conversation? how many times has everyone on the panel said it's true, if verified, what yet we're talkin about it which is the dangers o people leaking highly classifie information. as you pointed out from the intel community, that should concern everyone that that information is out there and we have seen when raw intelligence is wrong even with what we saw recently with ports about kim jong un's health. his actions have been tough which is the opposite of what w

saw from the previous administration who talked big, didn't do anything, and also talked week behind the scenes a we saw with president obama's conversation. additionally, look at the actions that president trump as taking. you can even go back to 2018 when pro-syrian government forces or being too aggressive with our special forces and those pro-government forces included russian mercenary. we spent javelins to ukraine when obama did not. a look at the fact that president trump in response to an attack on a former british spy dispelled 60 russian officials and also shuttered consulate there. he sent them on their way out o the united states. i think we need to be very cautious in this conversation everyone has pointed out repeatedly that none of this information is verified.

>> bill, to that point, does th national security council put out a statement to fox news earlier today, they say there working to verify the veracity, the truth of these underlying claims about this intelligence. essentially saying there, we're not saying the intelligence exist or that it's false, we're just not saying where they are there yet. clearly the stuff got out to th press and the public when it wasn't ready for prime time. how damaging is that for the white house? >> i think you have to wait and see how it plays out. there is a member of the intel community. i think with the new york times story reported is that they found a bunch of cash in one part of the country in afghanistan and that's when things started to move relative to this. many times have we seen that this is linked to the media and off it runs. that is one piece to fall follo

throughout the day today. the other thing very relevant i the presidential daily briefing the intel community has to decide what is relevant and wha is not. his point is that the president decide what's he wants to be aware of and what he does not want so we could very well be that there was as sniff on the story, but it did not rise to the level that it needed to be contained in that pdf. this day for the policies he is looking at that day. we have to leave it there. coming up on the other side of the break, another deadly shooting near seattle's top zon as a wake-up call to the city t regain concern control of the city. also, a startling number of

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>> fox news alert. the supreme court striking down and louisiana abortion bar that could have left the state with just one abortion clinic in new orleans. the vote was 5-4 with chief justice john roberts joining th courts for liberal justices. the law requires that doctors have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. the high court ruled that violates the abortion rights se out in the roe versus wade decision. the white house as calling the ruling unfortunate.

just moments ago seattle police chief pleading with protesters to vacate a capitol hill organized protest zone followin another shooting also known as chop. leaving one man dead and anothe in critical condition over of over another night shooting. this is the second reported shooting death near the area since it was first established earlier this month. at least four others have also been injured in their shootings around chop. last week visiting mayor said the city would move to dismantl the zone, but the barricades remain in place. protest organizers are reportedly looking to move into their zones abandoned police precinct where many chop leader have taken shelter. frustration is growing among some residents and business owners. watch. >> we don't have any confidence that this will end anytime soon. we have a very capable police force i could probably go in there, but we believe they

probably have standdown orders. i talked to my friends who own restaurants and other businesse and i can tell you the crescend keeps increasing here with people saying we want out. >> seattle was once a great city . it feels very chaotic now. the mayor has been kowtowing to the protesters. jessica, let's say you are the mayor, what do you do at this point because it seems as thoug she has lost the confidence of seattle pd and the protesters who are remaining, it is an all or nothing proposition for them. so what would you do if you wer in her position? >> wish for a time machine that i could go back a few weeks and said not to have said it will b fine, it will be the summer of love. i think everybody saw this wasn't going to end well and it wasn't going to last just a couple of days. i think it's unfortunate that you have such a fractured relationship with the police

chief who seems completely sane and en pointe every time i've heard her speak about this and really done well at balancing the desires of the protesters and the people out there all across the country with the needs of her police force. i think that she kind of has to eat crow on this quite frankly and send in the police to push them out of the space just moving to the east precinct isn't going to solve the problem . i'm thankful this only seems to be going on in seattle, but she's got a lot on her plate an i think she needs to pick a definitive side and i don't think it can be the summer of love side any longer. >> i think residents and business owners are demonstrating that. so bill, does this remind remin you of the occupy wall street movement, and to jessica's point , how do you keep this from spreading dangerously in the wrong way to other cities that already have very active protes movements? >> i remember the early days of

this, they suggested that there would be no movement on behalf of those that set up camp. and i have to think the only wa you in this now is in a really ugly way. i don't think the leaders in seattle want that bird that's the reason why they continue. i said i left for a couple of days and came back and nothing changed fred this is a good example of that. a week ago today, that mayor said that it is time for people to go home. we can still accommodate people who want to protest peacefully, but the impacts on the businesses and the residence an the community are now too much. that was a week ago. i mean they shrink the perimete of a little bit about two weeks ago, but my only guess here is that this is going to end in an ugly way at some point in the dead of night and it's a question of when the leadership wants to make that call. >> that's a good point, that's

also when the nefarious activit takes place. they shooting last night or really this morning was at 3:45 a.m. so, lisa booth, you have pointe out that it is often times thes ultraliberal democratic cities that have problems like this. is there enough for residents, rational residents in cities like portland, san francisco an seattle to want to make a littl bit of an ideological change, o does this just reinforced their leftism? >> i hope so because you would have have to be insane to not see that and not see the danger of some of these liberals in charge. the mayor of seattle said this was the summer of love, i don't think this is the kind of love that any american is seeking. chop as a case study of why we need the police. it's not just seattle. you look around the country right now, in minneapolis, they have seen over 100 shooting since the death of george floyd

but the city council has taken steps to dismantle the police prayed city council members som of them have security detail because of the pressure they're facing. the public doesn't deserve safety, but they do, which is the height of hypocrisy. here in new york we've seen mor shootings for june then we have been 25 years, yet the mayor still wants to move forward wit huge cuts to the nypd. you literally have to be insane to not see what is going on. your solution as to defund the police or get rid of them, it i insanity. >> so what does that mean? because even kamala harris whe she was pressed about defund th police prayed if you have chaos and violence and fear, doesn't that mean you're going to have been either even greater police presence in response to this sort of embedded protest?

>> that, and then also more people in that area are going t need access to emergency services that are operated by the police force. we've already heard reports about 911 calls in the area unrelated to the chop zone goin unanswered. people waiting longer than usua for ambulances, please officers and squad cars to arrive on scene. all of that is detrimental to society and the neighborhood surrounding the chop zone. when people take over public spaces, it no longer belongs to everybody, which is the point o having cities with streets that cars drive down, people are abl to access, the people that have taken over the chop zone are denying that freedom of access to the rest of seattle. >> that is what it's all about. it is about freedom. but also, bill, we are in an election year, so how does this

affect the fight for november? >> i think most of america look in from the outside and wonders why it was allowed to happen in the first place. the majority of america is seeing people live there, they have lives there, where is the consideration for them? you mentioned i think it's the east precinct, i don't know whe this city ordered the cops out of there, the woman who ran tha branch of the seattle police department i remember her being on television the next day almost in tears because of how much that meant to her and her fellow officers. i think if seattle were smart, they would take back that precinct very soon. let's see whether or not they have the guts to go forward. >> it is a shame that it has come to that, but it certainly going to get more intense befor it calms down and goes back to normal for these businesses tha have lost so much during a pandemic and they are fighting

and doing what they can to survive. a prominent member of the black lives matter party saying both parties have failed the black community and is calling for defunding the police. whether his remedy would at work . >> understand why they are out there fighting. they are fighting because the government has failed us.

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with the government oversteppin its bounds. >> he says the idea that more police are needed to combat crime as false and argues we need to look at crime is a public health crisis and examin why people commit crimes in the first place. >> they are desperate, they are poor, they are under educated, and they are left out to dry by this american system of government you must invest in people, you must give people jobs. you must make people employable. to guizot newsom there who head of the new york chapter of blac lives matter got into something really interesting there when h said that black americans by an large field failed by both side of the political aisle. they failed by emma kratz and republicans. congress kind of showed that up last week when they just stalle out on the issue of police

reform they failed to come to a legislative solution despite th fact that both sides seem to agree that things can be in should be improved. >> i thought his appearance wit chris was very interesting. it was hard for me to determine exactly what he wanted or what his requests were. i thought also when you compare the language on sunday with the language with martha last week, that he softened that language bit, and i think that was a important. i think it was more effective. that comment he made about they don't trust democrats, they don't trust republicans. that may be for many, but stil african-americans vote more tha 85 percent with the democratic party every four years. that last clip you played, i think it is super telling. you must invest in people, you must give people jobs, you must make people employable. he is so right about that, but the leadership in these

neighborhoods has failed these communities time and time again. that much is clear. you can see all the major american cities as we watch the summer burn in various areas in the past month. >> one of the more compelling things he said that jumped out at me was he said black americans feel that the government is overreaching with policing. they feel the government is overstepping its bounds, it's too cumbersome with the police force monitoring neighborhoods, going into black neighborhoods more aggressively than white neighborhoods. the idea of government overstepping and being too burdensome sounds like a conservative foundational ideology. >> what i expected him to say a take the money away from the police, but he didn't say that on sunday. that was the position he had. if you go to the black lives matter website defund the polic

is all over that site, but he did not call that out necessarily with chris on sunday . >> great point. kennedy, what do you think abou the hullabaloo over defunding versus redistributing? activist have haggled back and forth about what they mean with defund the police. >> i think if you're going to cut funding of anything give that money back to people. i think it's an interesting conversation to have about the philosophy of policing, and maybe we need to take a different sort of approach to that. he's talking about the skepticism that many in his community have toward government . i share that skepticism, i thin republicans and democrats have both failed in a number of area that he pointed out which is also a very natural libertarian point of view. my question is, if you see the structural widespread failure o government, why on earth are yo

asking for more government. if government has failed you before, they're going to do it again. we need more jobs, we need better schools, we need all of that stuff, and most of that depends on individual choices instead of seeing people as mindless blobs, you remember jo biden went on the breakfast clu and said if you vote for trump, you ain't black, and that goes to show that betrays his mentality, which is so incredibly problematic. focus on individuals, individua solutions and yes, be skeptical of government and get governmen out of the way so people can succeed. >> jessica, quickly here. only a few seconds left, what d you think this bodes for 2020 i anything? >> that democrats have got to b intends about getting out the vote. of friend of ours has a new piece out talking about how important the meal black vote is . black women show up to vote.

they vote more consistency blac democrat then republican. that would really have to focus there. idea you appreciate how tempere he was in the language that he was using about defunding the police. i think people including black lives matter leadership knows that that's going to be a nonstarter come november. we don't want to go into election having a conversation about no police on the streets. >> we've got to leave it there as well. >> i would say that the legitimization of the group tha says they have foundations in marxism should be concerning fo everyone. it doesn't seem to be for so many people. i will say he's right about the investment in people which is

why it's so important for schoo choice or opportunities. however the black lives matter movement is wrong about wanting to dismantle the western nuclea family. even like to harvard economist found the best thing for mobility for young black boys a having fathers in neighborhood, having married families. so they are wrong. having a family structure is ke to the success of a child. that is another place where the are wrong. lisa, we have to leave it there. as tending number of new york city police officers filing for retirement after these nationwide protests against police brutality. how this drop in morale may affect public safety. we will talk about that next. >> when you attack the police, people will literally die. this is going to get a lot wors it is a real shame because really good people are going to get really hurt by this. and saving $3,000 a year. by making one call to newday usa.

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retirement amid nationwide protest in the weeks since the death of george floyd. that number is up 49 percent from this same time period last year. when deputy inspector retired last week saying the officers their blood as in the concrete of every street corner, but these politicians don't want to remember that, they want to blame and vilify everyone here. i won't have that. these retirements comes as shootings are also up across ne york city from this time period week ago. police report over the nine day period ending last saturday, 11 people were killed or wounded i 83 shootings citywide. bill, i want to go to you first. even covering for law enforcement matters in this country for a long time do you get the sense that violence as on the up? that the country, there is a lo of civil unrest, do you get the idea that people are turning violent more? >> since i use live in new york

city i will speak in behalf of new york city. i live in greenwich village hav lived there for the past four 1 years plus. this is what i found this morning. this is that george, washington, , it is the art in washington square park. its where the beat in the generation first got its boom. overnight last night, the two statues of george washington were doused in red paint. one that shows washington as a general, the other as a statesman and a politician and president. when you see this, and you wake up to it every day, you wonder what the people who call new york city home our thinking about how safe they feel. new york's growth in the past 20 -25 years is really a credit to to things. it's the world's greatest city or has been, and the crime rate that was there in the mid- 1990

s really provided this team and the jet fuel that provided the growth for new york . the neighborhoods got better, families started to move back and raise their kids in new yor city. the schools got better. as a result, life got better. my question today would be do the people of new york still feel safe living in this city when they see things like this every morning of their lives. >> i mean it resonate with me, haven't been there since the pandemic kicked off a few month ago. lisa, i know you just returned after being gone for a few months, being out of the city, tell me what it feels like now returning after this break. does it feel different? do you feel safe when you're walking around? can you feel the sort of tension ? >> look. i hate new york, i used to love

it. i lived here for almost three years, it was an awesome city and all the things that made it great are no longer. you look at a lot of the businesses and bars, or the restaurants and bars that made the city so lively. the theater, a lot of those bar and restaurants aren't coming back because of the response to the pandemic and now you have shootings on the rise in this ada. i mentioned previously the wors june that we've seen in almost 25 years, so they have literall because of their policies destroyed a once great city and that is a shame. also, if you're a police officer , why do the job now? you don't make enough to go out and protect your community and neighbors and look at the way you are vilified and treated. cars set on fire. police precincts set on fire in this country? why do the job. it's going to be dangerous because you look at the fact that even the former mayor of chicago said his police officer were in the fetal position

because of the ferguson effect. what you think is going to happen now with the conversatio that is happening in the country . shame on anyone out there vilifying the police. i feel bad for them and their families when they go out there and risked their lives to their communities. thank you to everyone who serve this country is a police office for putting your life on the line for the rest of us. >> jessica, who is vilifying th police because we keep hearing about this over and over again. when you walk outside and you look around, you get the sense that folks are really angry at the police officers. where is it coming from? >> i'm also native new yorker, but i am sticking it out. i am still there and i live nea where bill is. i hate to see george washington defaced or her pulling down ulysses s ground rent. i think we should be separating conversations about confederate generals versus founding presidents and people who one

three wars for as. in terms of who is vilifying th police, i think there is protes movement that is saying defund the police, we don't need them, they are all terrible. i don't think that is the majority. i think the majority want to have a conversation about how w can reimagine the police force and ensure we don't have issues like what happened with dozens of names of unarmed black and brown americans who have died a the hands of police. i don't deny the fact that that exists as part of this movement but i don't think it is the overarching argument that peopl that are protesting systemic racism in the police force or i the criminal justice system are making. >> i wonder if you can put the blame on one side or another. president trump has said multiple times that liberals, that democrats are anti- police anti- law enforcement and they are the party making police officers feel unsafe and threatened. do you agree with that?

>> you want to sound cool so yo talk about defunding police, bu nobody knows what that means. bill de blasio's wife, she is not just the first lady of new york, she also has been put in charge of the $1 billion mental health initiative with nothing to show for it. she has said that nirvana as where the nypd is not if you remember, those police officers who turned their backs on bill de blasio at a funeral for a fallen brother of theirs and bill de blasio sucks. everything about him sucks. his policies sucked or decamped from the city. he is a horrible may your. he has put this city on a collision course with long-term disaster and shame on him for that. yes, we are going through a tough time, we are going to go through a tough time as we have difficult conversations, but we need real confident leadership.

politicians who don't care abou being reelected, who aren't servicing lobbyist and masters. we don't have that right now. you can look to new york city a this dark beacon for the rest o the country. other than that i think it's great. >> at least you tell us how you really feel. there is no question about it and we appreciate that. >> i always wonder with kennedy. >> i think it is sad and depressing. i have loved living here, but the last several months have been awful. you would always feel safe walking after the sun went down. ladies, there were so few peopl on the sidewalks of manhattan after the sun sets right now, that people frankly, they are inside. and i'm not so sure how much longer that last, but for now it's going to go on for several

months. >> we have to leave it there, but we are awaiting the start o the white house daily press briefing. and the the president has called the report fake news, fake news, we will bring you that is it happens. first, more and more major companies are pulling ads from facebook saying it's not doing enough to stop the spread of hate. the best tv experience just got better

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>> list of major companies pulling the ads from facebook i growing over the claim that platform doesn't do enough to stop the spread of hate. coca-cola, hershey's, verizon, starbucks, phase consumer goods giant behind ben & jerry's and dub soap. they are all putting their name to the cause and advertising on facebook. on facebook will put warning my labels on posts that break its rules. so, bill, break it down for us. white as all of this happening? i don't think it ends anytime

soon. i think mark zuckerberg cares about bringing people together. i think he also cares about making money. i don't know in the end how he splits this verdict. as of now, facebook is up three bucks in trading. >> about $955 trillion a year o facebook. is this enough to shake the foundation of this tech giant which has enriched so many people and allowed us to share pictures of our cats and also are political views when no one wants to hear them? >> a dog if you're me, but here is the thing, when the senator asked mark zuckerberg to do to define hate speech, he couldn't. he couldn't articulate what hat speech was which is the problem when you have companies asking

facebook to police it when he doesn't even know what hate speech is very taken to find that. no one cared about any of these issues. people only cared about this when donald trump came on the scene in the used facebook really well and strategically t advance his political campaign and to win. that is when people started carrying about social media and some of these social media giants when president trump was able to use them well as tools to help them get elected. >> it is a very nebulous term which tech giant is doing the best job without government intervention on its own site? kincaid there is the word. >> shadow banner breath. >> i like jack dorsey.

he is given a lot of money to a lot of great causes and he was the first to make juneteenth a holiday for his company. i think this will be an ongoing problem. it's an election year and it's gotten spicy. people use facebook to talk about their views. if you see the new numbers, trump is down about ten points with his seniors and he desperately needs that demographic if he's going to pull that off in november. these advertisers are making clear their priorities, and tha is the free market. >> jillian, wrap it up, baby. >> mark zuckerberg has been dragged kicking and screaming t moderate the content on his platform since day one. he was close to moderate terrorist speech, then it was political speech, now it's hate speech. at think it's nice to see facebook doing something, but they're going to have to up their game and start policing

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