>> trace: looks like in seattle the number of arrests is up to 23 or 24. >> sandra: we will continue to watch that. thank you trace, we will see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert, putting a stop to top. seattle police clearing out the city's autonomous police free zone earlier today. officers in riot gear moving in and making at least 13 arrests. after the america issued a stomach and executive order for protesters to vacate the area which includes an abandoned police precinct. seattle police chief carmen bass said she's had enough. >> what we have seen here over the last few weeks is lawless and brutal and bottom-line it is

simply unacceptable. >> harris: dan springer is in seattle with more. >> all along jenny durkan said that chop would not be taken back by force, she was going to negotiate her way to peaceful resolution. but for us it's exactly what they had to use today. there were dozens of police officers and seattle police departments, bellevue police department and also the fbi came. they went right through police, if they stay they will be subject to arrests and, there were dozens of people inside of tense here and they for the most part peacefully left. we seem very little action outside of the area, and there

has been very little tension and it's interesting because there are police saying driving around the perimeter with no license plate and people inside who are armed. we have not seen that ourselves but that is what police said earlier today. earlier we talked to a protester who said it, you know what, this isn't really over. >> we have been here before. you don't get that. they had put that in with a very early on in this protests they are now dismantling all of that and again we have reports that 40 police officers have gotten

back inside these precinct. at some point, the chop has not ended and we will have to see if this becomes a flash point again and we will send it back to you. >> harris: dan springer, thank you so much for that. if you are watching at "outnumbered" and i melissa francis. also, emily compagno, kennedy, mallik marie harf and it joining us today former house oversight committee chairman and fox news contributor jason chaffetz and he is outnumbered. let's start with you. lo and behold, it didn't take police in order to clear this area and there was violence and there were children who died at, people under 18 who were shot and died. does any of this surprise you especially when the mayor said she was going to ask everyone to

leave and they were going to talk their way through it but they didn't just leave, they had to actually call the police that they want to defund. >> jason: it's sad to because it was totally avoidable. it was such a -- it was just shameful the way it was taken. the city leaders don't have their back. ultimately they did take the police to clear it out and i think it's an embarrassment for the nation and certainly for the state of washington. >> melissa: emily, this is your city, you are only a few blocks from there. what do you have to say about

this? >> melissa: that's right. i can hear the helicopter. and that's just how incompetent and weak the city council is. i spoke with the seattle police officer who estimates that over 30% of the police force has left for other departments where they say they know they are wanted. the silent victims are always the ones that live the most. here in seattle, it's the first nation, child sex trafficking victims, and i also want to point out a couple of small points. i also want to point out, there are autonomous people that have moved into that so they are sort

of converging factors, and that's a concern. they are competing ideologies as well within chop, it's not just as if it was. and and people are holding guns, so there's not some type of synthesis. and that's city service workers were disproportionately represented by people of color and minorities who don't have a choice. they can't full-time protest as a job and they have no choice whether to come to work or not. there is and and everything left behind by the so-called protesters who have thrashed that neighborhood to come up they don't have a choice. and they don't have proper ppe i can see.

>> i agree with the remedy. there is no overarching ideolo ideology, and and the kind of violence and destruction we've seen. and they don't have good ppe and they have to have public transportation to work. the pandemic has been at the front lines of some really dangerous situations, and i agree with her watching them today. it's just another sad, tragic piece of what's happening there. it's a small part of seattle and

certainly the whole country in the protest is not at all representative of the movement. it's very much its own thing going on here. and i'm glad they cleared it out >> melissa: so kennedy, democrats want to distance themselves from this but the other areas with similar groups threatened to pop up and they wanted to see what happened there and if they could do similar things elsewhere. and isn't it convenient, it could be one of the first times that i have the virus talked about in the context of the specific story. i'm clearly they are doing nothing in this protests that falls within the parameters of what we were supposed to be doing during this pandemic. >> i wouldn't be surprised to see some of the coded numbers spiked the city council, they

moved into the chop zones because the city council and the mayor are doing nothing and, los angeles. he's once a beautiful cities are being taken over, and they are all screaming at the same time. what were they clamoring for her, and what was the end game. unfortunately it hasn't been an awful ending to all this, and what he will see. we will have a greater police presence in seattle because that's when business owners and

residents will vote for in the future. >> melissa: jason, or might get back to why the starch in the first place and democrats trying to distance themselves from it, you remember it started with black lives matter and they were upset that i felt like the message got co-opted. it became about defund about defund of the police and the idea of the zone, the autonomous zone, chop, and chaz as it started was to have a place where there were no police. and that experiment of getting rid of the police and not having that authority, would it be a happy utopian society or would people be in danger? at the end of that experiment as they look at this evidence, you see that people were shot and people died and the local police chief says that rates happen. it was not the summer of love, as the mayor had said before.

then democrats on this, they can't run away from this and say it's not out there, there will be serious questions to democrats, every single one of them should be asked, do you or do you not support the defund the police movement. and, it's a scary scary thing and it's on the backs of democrats. >> melissa: it's not a one-of one-off. the official and one prominent local democratic lawmaker agrees with them.

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>> melissa: of fox news alert, the showdown over defunding police reaching a new level now. protesters camping out outside of new york city hall after the city council voted to slash $1 billion from the nypd budget shifting it to various community projects despite a recent surge in violent crime in the city. they say the move doesn't nearly do enough. and it democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says this. defunding police means defunding police. that does not mean budget tricks or funny math.

that means the nypd budget to the department of education's budget, and if these reports are accurate then we have proposed cuts to the nypd and the are a disingenuous allusion. this is not a victory in the fight to defund the police continues. one at new york city council member who voted against the budget cuts warns that the community is going to suffer. >> we know what we are doing and yet we are doing it anyway. we are also making these cuts to continue this false propagation that police officers are in grave danger to the public. >> so they are thinking about cutting $352 million in overtime. we know there are lots of crime stats floating around so i want to quote directly from the nypd website and they are comparing this month of 2022 this month of 2019 and murders in the city are

up 47.8%. a 50% increase nearly and murders. do you cut overtime in the place of that? >> we have to look at how we fund our police department. bill de blasio, and they have proposed something that nobody is happy with. i'm not sure how he navigates this in new york city but i do think that we need to look at whether there are some functions that could be shifting community officers away from police officers to help improve community policing at a broader level and a bigger scale, and that may mean some cuts. our police department are funded at a level much higher than other important things like education for example, like a community project that could prevent crime from happening.

so we have to look at how our taxpayer dollars are being spent and that of police department in new york has still got billions and billions of dollars in the budget. >> melissa: kennedy, is at a time to cut money for police? we will have and $9 million shortfall and may be a better place to cut would be in the mayor's wife thrive in my cd charity, and then at the numbers matched up and there was no visibility into how that money had been spent. she continues to get more and more while we cut nypd. it does not make sense? >> kennedy: its cronyism. as a billion-dollar project and she has acted the same for the police and it wouldn't matter if she was a civilian person on the sidelines, but she's not. she has a very active role in her husband's administration

which is failing. it's the funding for police department and it's putting on the chopping block, and you are not reforming police department in ways that make community and cops safer and that's a conversation that you have to have instead of just putting blinders on and pretending the problem is going away. you might have the exact same systemic problems that you had before, just fewer cops asked to do more in a place like new york city. and by the way new york city is very different than any in this country and because of that we asked the cops on nypd to do much more. that's also something which will be problematic. crime is going to spike, and you are going to destroy the morale and that is a long-term recipe for disaster. >> melissa: it to marie's

point about how no one is happy, this is a protest that is still going on outside of the city hall right now. this group is camped out, they are not happy with even this cut that feels draconian and dramatic for the rest of us that live in the city and are terrified. meanwhile juxtapose that with "the new york post" which shows this is the things that you got. i think we can put that on the screen. the thanks they get holds attack/nypd/budget after a decade of crime reduction and they are slashing the budget. her thoughts? >> jason: there is no doubt that the worst mayor in the country is in new york city and mayor de blasio. he is so incompetent, you don't have anybody on any other side of the spectrum. i love the new york police department. i love the police, when you dial 911 and you need a police to

come to your help, when the tragic event, and that was a police department and fire department and it now look at this leadership. look where they have taken us come in to the point where they cut a billion dollars and they want to pull the police out of the school system? how about that little 13-year-old girl who is going to go to school and not have a security officer there? that's a real ramification. and the democrats still won't on this. they taken a position on whether or not they want to fund the police, but this will hurt the police and that it's that simple. >> melissa: emily, i guess my last question would be to you, if black lives really matter to you instead of cutting the police, may be as bill de blasio is here finishing out his second term,

it's been an eternity. we have the is a very elite public schools that kids test into in this city and leicester even though the public school system has made up over 70% of black and hispanic children, only ten black students get into simonson and only 20 hispanic students got into stuyvesant. when you have to take a test at the middle school would you ask yourself, what is it that these children are not being taught in elementary and middle school, that they can't compete and the majority of kids are on public assistance and are first-generation so they are immigrant children who are living in poverty and making their way into the schools. but only ten are black. shouldn't he examine may be what's going wrong in our middle schools and lower schools rather than working on this problem?

what are your thoughts? >> absolutely. i think you articulated that and hit the nail totally on the head, i think that's an example of the systemic and deep rut that has been allowed to faster under his watch. if i could react to marie's point, just to synthesize that, about the need to foster the relationship between law enforcement and children especially because that is who grows up into adults in these communities. i was a public school student my whole life through the richmond school and we had a police officer's nrs schools. it sometimes is the only positive relationship and served as such a great ambassadorial role for a lot of kids, that otherwise her interaction with law enforcement was negative. i think there's a positive to

come, you can't let quite blank at least states that that it's a negative situation and i wholeheartedly support that. if i may conclude it really quick with an analogy to the seattle situation, de blasio's decisions are the result of the loudest shouters and the silent victims are who gets ignored here. in that lawsuit by the small business owners in seattle, the health and safety issues were met by silence. the silent victims go totally unnoticed and it's the loudest shouters that got get all of the dough. >> well put. new fallout over reports that russia was offering bounties to taliban militants to kill u.s. troops in afghanistan. what top officials are saying about that intelligence and why the president wasn't briefed. >> the intelligence committee

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>> melissa: the trump administration and sustain the president was not briefed on reports the russian military offered militants bounties to kill american troops in afghanistan. national security advisor robert o'brien shedding light on that decision. listen. >> it was decided early on whether the president should be briefed on this. his senior career, aca officer, she made that decision because she didn't have the confidence. she made that call. i think she made the right call. >> melissa: the president tweeting the russia bounty story is another made up by fake news

tail that is told only to damage me and the republican party. the secret source probably does not even exist just like the story itself. if the discredited "new york times" has a source, reveal it. just another hoax! lawmakers are still pushing for answers as the gang of eight is expected to be briefed on the matter soon. jason i will come to you first because you spent your time and washington dealing with these matters. i would be interested in your impression on what is going on here. >> i do think congress should be briefed. i do sympathize with that, as a career see a person who is dealing with thousands of pieces of intelligence, if she and others do not believe that it has the credibility to be presented to the president, i believe robert o'brien where the national security advisor and how that is done. i also think there is harm to the united states these types of things are leaked out. it should be united on both

sides of the aisle to say that leaking does not help. in fact it puts those that collect this intelligence on the ground through signals intelligence, satellite injury, human intelligence, it puts those people in danger. if this person erroneously thinks they're doing the country good, they are not. they're putting people's lives on the line and that's a very dangerous thing. the last thing i would say as secretary pompeo said, russia meddling in afghanistan and causing problems for the united states and ed got a stand as general is not a new issue. a bounty is very serious and should have the harshest of response if found to be true. >> melissa: marie? >> president trump saying that this is a hoax or fake news is really disturbing to me. we have republicans have seen the intelligence and publicly said this is very serious. we need more answers.

there is multiple reporting now, multiple pieces of reporting including possible financial transactions that have led people to think this bounty story may be true. there are now specific attacks that happened on allied forces in afghanistan that are under question by the intelligence community with some evidence they may be linked to russian bounties. we need the answers, we need information. the american people, parents of officers and soldiers deserve to know. the president needs to stop calling his fake. this is what makes people like me not trust him. if he said this is complicated, i'm going to get to the bottom of it, that would be very different. calling it fake, dismissing it as a political story is really, really dangerous, and increasingly republicans like liz cheney and adam kinzinger are saying exactly that. melissa? >> melissa: they are saying

it's dangerous but it's not as dangerous as canceling the russian missile defense shield, which is of course what president obama did. you could call this a hoax or you could cancel the shields and the defense and the area that were there to keep the russians in check. which do you think is more dangerous? >> i don't trust anyone. i don't trust anyone here. i don't believe them when they say the president wasn't brief briefed, these agencies have lied to us in the past. every administration, this one included has utterly failed in regards to russia. they all think that they can somehow neutralize vladimir putin's evil and use them to their advantage and every president including president obama gets played. his apathy towards georgia, the annexation of crimea, the invasion of ukraine, all of that

stuff. the fact that he said the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back, it was a very different kind of war and he wasn't paying attention to it. he also didn't get us from afghanistan. this president, sorry, he hasn't done much better. we are still in afghanistan and does he want to get out to appease vladimir putin? i would be incredibly unfortunate. someone has to have a plan and shows what the truth actually looks like because right now all of them are liars. sorry, marie. your former boss included. >> melissa: what do you think? >> i agree with kennedy. i'm an american before i'm a republican. the thought that a quote unquote positive relationship between this president and vladimir putin, that it somehow erases the past decades of influence campaigns and animosity between russia and our country, and likely will

continue on the future. it's laughable. i think it's also important to understand the difference between a finished intelligence products and a singular operational reporting or single source report. before the nfc or property for the president, that is the result of thousands of analytical hours by the intelligence community and the most, deepest verification procedures. if something hasn't made it to him and then it hasn't risen to that level of verification yet. singular source reporting will always raise credibility. that being said, we have to acknowledge that the president has made no secret that he doesn't read the daily briefin briefings. perhaps give and also his fractured relationships with the intelligence community, if there was a decision not to brief them that it might be based on the develop relationship between them. they thought, you won't believe us anyway. maybe it rose to those verification levels.

i think there's a lot of questions. i hope we'll view this through the lens of being an american before all else. >> melissa: he might not be sleepy joe biden anymore. the presumptive democratic nominee taking aim at president trump in a fiery news conference yesterday. does they trump campaign need a new strategy? i don't know how tiring it was. >> what happens? now it's almost july. it seems like our wartime president surrendered, waived the right -- white flag, and left the battlefield. ♪

>> melissa: joe biden coming out swinging against president trump during his first news conference in nearly three months. the presumptive democratic nominee hitting the president on his handling of the coronavirus and criticizing him for not acting on russian bounty intelligence. he went on to say he's looking

forward to debating the commander and chief. watch. >> all you've got to do is watch me and i could hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of a man i'm running against. >> he can't even say capability. melissa, this is what were all waiting for. the debate. they have to debate. the president is in some deep yogurt right now in terms of poll numbers and key battleground states. joe biden, he didn't screw up and most importantly he's not hillary clinton! what can the debate to for the tenor of this race? >> melissa: if you are watching yesterday, he said that he wants to stop appealing, he paused for a very long period of time and try to figure out he was going to finish that sentence. the less healthy side of

society. he also said, who was i supposed to call on next. i was watching this because it's hard to watch, you get so bored. you want to watch the eclipse after because he speaks so slow. i forced myself and it was amazing because his eyes were kind of empty and, who was he supposed to call on next? did he have the questions ahead of time and he had an order of people. then gymnasium was nearly empty. nobody asked him about flynn where he had lied to george stephanopoulos and then he tried to clean it up. no one asked him about chop, about defunding the police. if i'm donald trump watching this i can't wait for the debate. >> the one thing that i was hoping was that, i don't mind that the press is tough on the president. i think they should be. i hope they continue that

tradition. if he becomes president and he has a great shot right now, i hope they're tough as nails and i hope they have learned to something in the press room. that doesn't seem to be the case. why did he have a teleprompter at a news conference? was he getting notes? >> that's what the screens are next to him. >> first of all, the american people have said overwhelmingly and poll after poll that they want boring and normal right now. they want to not wake up in the morning and be worried about what the president is tweeting or saying after watching cable news. this idea that joe biden is too boring, it's part of what's driving his enormous success so far. now we have months and months till november and the polls will tighten. no one is resting on their morals right now. joe biden answered very clearly a number of questions about the

most serious things affecting our country. covid and what he would do differently, or foreign policy. we hear from people across the country, that's what they want right now. they do not want a reality show unhinged president. and that's why joe biden is really beating donald trump across the board and think he shouldn't even be competitive. >> and again he is not hillary clinton which might be his biggest asset. she was so unlikable. people came out to brunch vote against hillary clinton. no one will really grudge vote against joe biden and that means it's in the president's hands. was yesterday's news conference a gift for president trump or was it a signal that joe biden is an improved candidate and the race is tougher than ever? >> is that to me? i didn't hear my name, i

apologize. i think that it's important for biden to come with a more substantive strategy. i think it's really incumbent to force and articulation of what they will do for americans in this next administration. i'm so sick of being sick to death of all of this. i have no faith in anyone right now and i feel bad for being the negative nancy on the panel today, but i think it would be refreshing for americans who are facing massive debt and job lo loss, attentional covid infections to have an articulated strong, something positive to vote for rather than to vote against brick final quick point, i agree with melissa. it's by no joy in finding someone struggle. i hope that we don't have to keep watching people struggle on eric >> this is the best they could come up with right now.

let's pretend the president listen to advice. what advice would you give him from now until election day? >> donald trump needs to keep being donald trump. if that was joe biden coming out swinging, he was sleepy and boring. i agree with marie on that one. the news of the day is joe biden promised to raise our taxes. listen to what he says. he was waffling, he had no clear answer on whether or not it was okay to start tearing down the monuments. i did think he made a commitment to give his list of who he would put on the supreme court. i hope he actually does that. it's what donald trump did and it's what joe biden should do when he committed to it yesterday. >> if people wanted boring, samantha bee would have the number one show intellivision. he vows to veto a defense bill because it would remove a general's name.

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which requires the renaming of bases that were named for confederate military generals is included. that amendment has bipartisan support and is sponsored by elizabeth warren. she says it's time the names of those who defended the institution of slavery be relegated to the "footnotes in our history books." getting the amendment removed would require 60 votes in the senate. chuck schumer during the president to block it. watch. >> i dare president trump to veto the bill over confederate base naming. it's in the bill and it has bipartisan support. the bottom line is what's in the bill will stay in the bill. >> jason, i will start with you on this because this is a dicey mess. if you look at, ten army installations that were named after senior confederate commanders who fought against

u.s. troops during the civil war to preserve the institution of slavery. the president is going to stand on trying to keep those bases from getting renamed and hold up the whole budget which we need to. what your thoughts? >> i think the core question needs to go to those senate republicans that are on armed services. i'm talking about tom cotton. i think senator rick scott and florida, some of those others. in committee this was presented and it passed by a voice vote. they evidently didn't want to go on the record but when you are in the majority and things like that pass. when an amendment from elizabeth warren passes, that's the core of what is happening and the rest of the body needs to deal with it. the way it works technically, the house and senate passed a bill, and they oftentimes go to

a conference committee. i do think there should be some sort of review process to look at them one at a time and understand the history or the ramifications. i don't know enough about it and i think we should have people who are experts who dive deep into it and make a recommendation. >> that's one point of view, emily, if you have an amendment passed by someone who is not in the majority and yet it still passes, doesn't that tell you that people are pretty together on having this happen? >> i think the most interesting thing is the fact that it has bipartisan support. i think this is a difficult issue for the president to hang his hat on. as you pointed out and outlined that perspective, there is a lot more that's a lot more important to americans. and i think especially in today's climate it would be shocking to me people felt so strongly about keeping the names

of those confederate general bases that they're willing to forgo all the rest of that to do so. >> i know, i guess i don't know what the argument would be, if this is the right way or that it would be a slippery slope. i'm just trying to present the other side here. your thoughts? >> there is not an argument. a bipartisan group of senators said this is the right thing to do. if donald trump wants to pick it confederate general who fought against the union over funding or defense department, funding the people defending our country today. that's a political and terrible argument. i don't know what he is thinking on this. he is playing to his base. it's the wrong thing to do. it's the wrong thing. >> i'm with you. where with you in a moment. we will be right back. so they can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most

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we will be back here tomorrow. here is julie banderas who is in for harris faulkner. have a great day. >> julie: president trump heading back against growing fury against reports russia targeted troops in afghanistan. this is "outnumbered overtime." i am julie banderas and for harris faulkner. the pentagon says there is no evidence to back up reports that russia indeed paid bounties to militants to kill our u.s. soldiers. "the new york times" doubling down yet again. reporting u.s. officials found russian bank transfer information supporting the bounty accusation. meanwhile president trump slamming the new reports tweeting, "do people still not understand that this is a made up fake news media hoax? slandering me and theep