on a people day in.three hours d a lot of news for a holiday. >> alicia: absolutely. it's been great being here in denver, you in d.c., we managed to pull it off. "outnumbered" starts next. bye. >> gillian: this is a fox news alert, as americans celebrate our nation's independence this federal holiday, officials not putting protesters on notice. the homeland security department is deploying hundreds of special units to protect federal monuments and statues amid concerns over a fresh wave of vandalism in cities from washington, d.c., to portland, to seattle. protesters recently turned their focus from confederate monuments to pass american presidents. they have arrested the accused ringleader in an effort to tear down the statue of andrew jackson white don't migrate in front of the white house. there's been threats to top of the emancipation memorial here in washington, d.c.

ken cuccinelli has this morning to would-be vandals. take a listen. >> the leadership of president trump, we are going to contain and only to protect the history of this country, we aref the law who vandalize property and the history of this country, or threaten and hurt other americans. >> gillian: griff jenkins a joins us live with the latest from washington. griff? >> good afternoon, gillian. it is certainly a site we are not used to seeing on the fourth of july. the federal government deploying what they are calling the protecting american communities task force, and there are teams grenada between the just aspirant and department of interior. acting secretary chad wolf not wanting to stand by idly while symbols are destroyed by vandals paid this after the president

issued an executive order directing ths under statutory authority to provide personnel to protect these monuments, memorials, and studies on federal property. the pedal and supportive agencies like cbp, border patrol, and ice, hot spots like portland, seattle, and backed by harsh rhetoric from the president he was warning those who would seek to vandalize. >> nobody is going to shatter the american dream. not the anarchists, not the agitators, not the fools, not the looters. they are not going to have any impact on the national dream. >> gillian, i spoke in the last hour with acting commissioner mark morgan who says the team is ready to go, saying cbp stands ready to safeguard communities against criminal action, looting, and violence and lawlessness, regardless of political affiliation or ideological beliefs, there is no justification for the destruction of these facilities.

not everyone believes it's the right move. the deputy director of immigration policy for aclu saying this in a statement to fox. "the administration is prioritizing protection of property over the safety of black and brown communities. dhs is a rogue agency with a track of abuse and disregard for human lives. instead of deploying dhs and further militarizing our streets, our government should be investing resources in investigating ongoing threats to communities of color. this comes on the heels of a major arrest yesterday, his name is jason tarter, identified as a ringleader trying to tear down the jackson statue on june 22nd. he is charged with two felony counts of destruction federal property. authorities say he has connections to nt for meanwhile, michael sherman, u.s. attorney for the district of colombia, says that they brought charges on more than 150 cases related to the destruction of federal property and added this. >> look, we have not identified

-- and this is a work in progress -- who is the command and control for some of these groups. right now that it to to be, with some of these individuals, a loose affiliation with some extremist groups. on the left and on the right. it appears that the bulk of if not all the individuals that have been arrested related to some of these very violent acts are self radicalized. or a lone wolf, that self identify with these groups. there is an overall command-and-control but we have not identified that yet. >> there are major demonstrations planned in seattle, los angeles, boston, and d.c. they will be watching over the weekend. if you go on the streets now at that emancipation memorial or any of the other monuments, there is not a strong show of force yet. the authorities tell me they are sort of waiting until we get closer based on the intelligence of where to send these rapid appointment teams. gillian?

>> gillian: griff jenkins live in washington, thank you. we've got a lot of news to get to today, so let's get started now. this is "outnumbered." i'm gillian turner. here today is town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news headlines 24/7 reported r, carley shimkus. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. and, one specialty is joining us today, retired u.s. marine corps bomb technician, he's also fox news contributor, joey jones. joey, i want to go to first, because you've got experience serving in uniform. critics of the president is saying by sending these rapid deployment teams, the special federal agents, across the nation to guard monuments on the nation's birthday, he is essentially militarizing a federal holiday. what say you? >> joey: well, it's interesting that the same people who applauded president obama, or at least didn't take issue with putting barricades around our war memorials, are saying it's too much of a government

effort and a waste of resources to protect these monuments that could be destroyed. this is the result of an entire generation growing up in an iphone in their hands, looking for instant gratification. these are spoiled brats that don't want to go through any legitimate process, and the hard work, the rousing of a community it would take to do this the proper way. i don't know that andrew jackson monument is disruptive or hurtful to people, but if it is, let's have a discussion and figure it out. what i will tell you, if you go after every monument that might cause you pain and suffering because of how you interpret it, like the emancipation proclamation monument, we are probably not long for this world when it comes any kind of monuments. the heroes of my generation should have a monument one day, and i hate that somebody would tear it down. >> gillian: so a lot of pushback, a lot of criticism, but from the white house's perspective, things are going exactly according to plan so far for this big weekend. katie, yesterday president trump said his executive order this

week to protect these monument's and statues is now in full effect. that's what we are going to see play out over the course of today, going into tomorrow and tomorrow evening's festivities. >> katie: that says a lot all the u.s. attorneys around the country and the department of justice, that the president of the united states has their back and he wants them to prosecute anybody who engages in this vandalism. this is about the president of the united states reacting. this is not something he did as an offensive move. he's doing this because, over the past three weeks, releasing violent anarchists and rioters go into american cities in the nation's capital, which belongs to all americans, by the way, and engage in these violent, despicable acts against the monuments that mean a lot to millions of americans and, quite frankly, to a lot of people all around the world. this idea that he somehow is militarizing our streets as a result of protecting these things is ridiculous. what he's doing, instead of taking the side of the criminals

here, he is engaging against them in a processed way and making it so american families can go to the national mall in washington, d.c., and see their monuments and pay tribute to their country that they believe in and that they are citizens of. this is not about criticism are anything like that. or militarizing the police. the president is simply making it -- the national monuments, making them available to people who want to go and see them, and who they belong to, by the way. >> gillian: and that is a key point. carley, katie touched on something there when she said the statues, these monuments, belong to all americans. when they are vandalized, when they are torn down, when public spaces are overtaken by folks who camp out there for weeks on end, whether it's seattle's c.h.o.p. zone, whether it's black lives matter plaza here outside the white house, it means other americans can't

access those spaces and can't enjoy those monuments if they so choose to. there is an element here that people are talking about, and that is the degree to which some americans are denied their freedom to access the spaces. >> carley: that was well said. the department a full and security's right to be concerned about an increase in violence on the fourth of july, because we know that this movement isn't just about confederate generals anymore, it is targeting all of american history. that is including the good parts. the folks who signed the emancipation proclamation, the declaration of independence, but what we are seeing unfold right now isn't just about statues and our past. what we are seeing is about our future. we are witnessing a fundamental clash between those who want to keep things the way they are -- democracy and capitalism -- and those who want to see the country change via a socialist system. i think a majority of people want to keep the current system in place, but those aren't

really the people that are energized right now. president trump needs to be keenly aware of that fact going into the election, especially if joe biden picks somebody who has sort of democratic socialist ties, lake elizabeth warren, as his vice presidential candidate. >> gillian: leslie, at some point it seems to me, and about the last week to two weeks, the national focus, the national conversation, has sort of turned, from a discussion about confederate flags, monuments honoring confederate generals, to now any commanders, past commanders and chiefs who own have to come down. what is the conversation like inside the democratic party on that turn? it seems like there is a real divide. joe biden and nancy pelosi disagree on the issue. do you think they are moving towards a consensus? >> leslie: definitely there is

some disagreement. for example, ulysses grant, who had one slave who was a gift to him that he had no record of mistreating and did free, was married to a family that owned. slaves. so how many kevin bacon 6 degrees of separation can have on this? the left is united in that violence is wrong, vandalism is wrong, breaking the law with regard to federal grounding mints is wrong just tearing down statues is not the way to do it. we on the left to understand the anger that leads to tearing down the statues. honoring those leading the confederacy, the civil war was a blemish on the history of this nation, and in addition to that, and a basement, quite frankly, and a terrible time to defy the united states in america on the left to ask why this government and administration seem to be protecting monuments when we have a protest and we have covid.

>> katie: leslie, you know that's not true. >> joey: [laughs] >> leslie: it doesn't feel that way. i want them to protect the people, not statues. >> katie: leslie, they are. these anarchists that are in our cities burning down minority businesses, bringing down stories where they go grocery shopping for their kids. this is about the president restoring law and order, and people in those communities saying, "i don't want the police defunded, these criminals are overrunning our neighborhoods." in seattle, the mayor is saying, "why isn't the president protecting people over monuments or property?" well, um, he's protect people and property. when you you get people murdered inplacen seattle and chicago. >> leslie: i would like to respond, i didn't know if we were allowed to jump on with our virtual couch. [laughs] i didn't want to be rude to the

technical crew. it's easy to say that everybody who jumps on the tearing a statue down bandwagon is an anarchist. i don't agree with that. quite frankly -- >> well, what are they? >> leslie: there is anger out there. i'm not a woman of color. i don't know what it's like to see a statue that honors an individual who tried to tear this country apart and to keep slavery going. i don't know what that feels like. i don't know what that level feels like. i do think it's wrong to pull down statues of those who led the suffragette movement, and those who were abolitionists. or, like i said, ulysses grant. i don't think tearing them down as a way because i personally am against vandalism and violence. but i understand the anger that is coming, and i, for one, as a taxpayer, i want to see that much and more effort by the administration and the president. quite frankly, law enforcement, protecting people as opposed to statues, especially during this pandemic. >> gillian: we've got to leave it there, but we are not done

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we're committed to helping all families stay connected. learn more at xfinity.com/education. >> katie: despite occupy city hall protesters in new york city still refusing to leave their camp, they say the $1 billion in nypd budget cuts are not enough. in the meantime, two democratic

state lawmakers have introduced a bill to strip police officers of their pensions if they are fired for issues involving serious misconduct. one of lawmakers saying, "systematic racism, inadequate training, and abuse of power have contributed to the scourge of police brutality that is torn apart communities and families across county. we are at a pivotal moment for antiracist and police reform, and it is clear that law enforcement officers must face greater accountability." ahead of the largest nypd union slipping back saying, "this bill is mind-blowing hypocrisy. retirement benefits could be stripped away based on the allegations of misconduct while state legislators were formally censored for serious conduct would still get to keep theirs." all of this as violent crime surges in the big apple. just last night, at least one person dead, six others wounded in shootings across the city. leslie, i'll go to you first. the left has demanded to defund

the police while also trying to argue it's not really about defining the police, the new york city counsel and the mayor have decided to cut a billion dollars from the police budget and it seems not to be enough. >> leslie: a couple of things here. first of all, if you can about, ask for something, and get it, why leave? you're going to push and ask for more. it's pretty pavlovian. i don't agree with the legislation being proposed, and the reason is i feel it's going to need to be much more specific and it can't just be an allegation that you are innocent until proven guilty. that goes for you nice police and their pensions. let's look at some facts. i think we have the idea that, if we have more police, will have less crime. that's really not historically and statistically accurate. in the '80s be spent nearly $15 billion more on police and the crime rate soared. in recent years we actually had national cuts, cuts on state levels, for police and for law enforcement, and crime did

not rise. i understand the concern when we say, "hey, there's more shootings." but having police on the streets definitely doesn't correlate to having less crime. >> katie: as police have set back in the budget cuts have been made, crime in places like seattle and new york city have increased significantly over the past two weeks. >> joey: appellee. leslie, you said last segment that the left is united against crime and vandalism, and that's just provably false. you have celebrities who are pledging to bail people out when they riot, and you have -- president trump is accused of dog whistling all the time. there's a huge dog whistle on the left right now that people shouldn't be held accountable for committing crimes. that is why you have crimes spiking. it's not necessarily because there's less police, it's because the police know they are in danger of losing their livelihood and even their lives if they do her job. the dog whistle is that somehow we should believe police are bad until they prove they are not bad, and that entire perspective and the way we are treating

police right now is only going to further this divide and further this problem. i'm not a doctorate in these things, but i do know if you push someone hard enough they will dig in, they want come over and talk to you. we saw with cat donna colin kaepernick, nobody cared we had to say when he started wearing pink socks and fidel castro teachers and calling off like a symbol of oppression. what conversation could have been started in the tragedy of george floyd has now been quieted and squashed with an all-out offensive on police. we have a liberal politician's painting "defund the police" on the streets. we have black lives matter leaders at aoc saying, "no, this is during the baby out with the bathwater." changing the system, tearing it down. the rhetoric might be mixed but it's specifically not united in any way that leslie was representing it. they are absolutely antipolice right now, saying that there are no few bad apples. there is a bad police. that's just not true.

>> katie: gillian, over the past month we have had the heated debate across the country about the best ways to move forward with legislation on national and local levels about police reform, but you seen a number of police unions and individual police officers pushing back and saying what they are offering, like this new york legislation, puts us into a different category and holds us to a different standard than the people writing legislation who want to seem to get away with bad behavior on their part, but want to hold police to a different standard. >> gillian: you know, a billion dollars here, a billion dollars there. pretty soon we'll be talking about some real money here. but the bigger problem here -- or, i should say, the equally big problem to the amount of money -- is the fact that the cuts to the nypd budget so far appear indiscriminate and haphazard. even governor cuomo yesterday said he doesn't know what part of the budget this money is going to be taken from.

putting politics aside for a second, how can you take a billion dollars out of the largest police department in the country and the governor of that state does not know where the monies coming from, and how it is going to impact of the force. he said, "i can't tell you if it's going to make us more safer less safe. i can't tell you how it's going to impact the police ability to respond to emergency crime scenes. i can't tell you any of this because it's not yet clear to me where this money is coming from." to me, that is the first big glaring problem here that needs to be solved really quickly. >> katie: carley, you are in new york city. what are you seeing there in terms of police presence, and what is going on on the ground? >> i hear that we are going to learn the hard way that disbanding the anti-crime unit is a really bad idea. there were some issues with that unit, but oh, my gosh, they did a world of good, too.

these are the people that god drugs off the streets, they were the ones that really stopped crime before it started, but these protesters aren't just set on disbanding a 600-person unit or cutting a billion dollars from the nypd budget. they want no police. if you want to know what that looks like, look no further than seattle, where a six block radius turned into an area with graffiti, homelessness, rape, murder. there was an unmitigated and horrifying disaster. this idea of these zones spreading, because a lot of people in the media and politicians are not only covering for this behavior, they are sort of encouraging it by calling it "mostly peaceful protests." last time i checked, forcibly taking over a police precinct, which leads to murder, shouldn't be classified as a "mostly peaceful protests."

>> katie: excellent point. a political firestorm brewing over president trump -- excuse me, for a july 4th event later today. as a state governor says masks and social distancing are optional. >> we will be having celebrations of american independence. we will have a large event. we have told folks who have concerns that they can stay home. ♪ some companies still have hr stuck between employees and their data.

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>> katie: president trump set to head to mount rushmore in south dakota for a massive fireworks show tonight. the first there in a decade. his visit is expected to draw thousands amid a spike in coronavirus cases nationwide. the dnc slamming the trip in a statement, "instead of living up to the most basic responsibilities of his office, this independence day donald trump is still downplaying the virus, calling for a slow down of testing, bucking social distancing guidelines, and showing americans why we can't afford

four more years of him in the white house." south dakota is one of the few states where coronavirus cases have not been spiking lately, but mount rushmore of course is a huge attraction for out-of-state tourists. still the governors and social distancing is optional tonight. >> have told people to focus on personal responsibility. every one of them has the opportunity to make a decision that they are comfortable with. those who want to come and join us we'll be giving out free my specs don't act on my face masks if they choose to wear one. we will be social distancing. >> katie: the dnc second round of criticism of the president was better than the first, in which they accused him of holding a white supremacy rally glorifying white supremacy by celebrating the independence day. what is your thoughts of the criticism of this fireworks display? >> joey: there are two issues at hand here.

one, holding the celebration, the other one is kind of a deeper issue of the sioux indians the area not like and if i go there white people carved into the mountain. on both of those i can tell you one thing. that he will that show up to that liberation, they are not going to social distance anywhere else anyway. it's not like you're causing them not to. they are choosing not to, that's how they're living their lives. i think the face coverings, probably most people have them on. just like the governor said, that is their decision. when it comes to faces and mount rushmore, the sioux indians in that area weren't even there in the late 1700s. they conquered the cheyenne and took it from them. the idea that they have some sacred tradition there is a little bit far-fetched. i learned that from a fellow marine who has a radio show and looked it up. what i'm saying here is, before we get all outraged, maybe do some research and learn some historical context. i applaud the fact we have mount rushmore. it's amazing thing and i hope to go see it one day. >> katie: leslie, it seems like it's difficult to stomach

this idea that the president is being restlessly criticized, and other americans who want to celebrate independence day, the foundation of the country, are being criticized for daring to do so. however, the media has been endorsing these massive gatherings of thousands of protesters in the streets around the country and don't seem to have the same criticism or concerns about their spread of the virus. >> leslie: well, i don't disagree with you, katie, that people don't look at the protest. watching somebody come home from the hospital every day beaten and battered, and talking to friends that signed so many death certificates that they become desensitized to people being human beings, and that those numbers stand for lives, this is a slap in the face to the health care industry. we as americans have to just accept the reality that we are going to have to wait for our lives to return to what they were. we need to social distance.

we need to wear masks. we see what's happened in texas, and florida, and happening here in california. if you don't want to listen to the health care professionals, then just look what's happened in south korea, japan, europe, and of course new zealand. we need to stop being children. we need to be responsible. quite frankly, the president needs to lead with responsibility. i'm going to have a little barbecue in my backyard, social distancing, with masks, a few people, 6 feet apart, and still be able to be patriotic. two i want to have fireworks for me and my kids can make absolutely. do i need to wait for that? yes. this is true, this is life. we haven't gotten rid of covid-19 1. very worried about 2. we won't defeat this unless we make a decision to be responsible, and americans have not shown they can be responsible when you look at the stats and the spikes. by the way, south dakota did

have 5,000 additional cases. this could lead to more. why do we want to risk that? especially for somebody who has a vulnerable underlying health conditions they may not even be aware of. >> katie: as a governor said, it's people's choice to show up to this event. gillian, leslie cites health professionals. we have relied on them a lot over the course of the last five months to give us information. but there's also been a lot of miscommunication and changing of what the guideline should be, how the virus is spread, wear a mask, don't wear a mask. maybe people are skeptical of those experts at this time. >> gillian: i think a lot of americans are absolutely skeptical of the health experts, including president trump sometimes. he has not shied away from disagreeing publicly, sometimes even at the podium, at some of these covid-19 briefings with dr. fauci or with deborah birx, asking them questions, pushing them on issues. so a lot of americans, i think that reflects the fact that a lot of americans are skeptical. the reason that public health

experts have changed guidelines as we move along is because this is a novel coronavirus, hence its name. it is a pandemic the likes of which, in size and scale, we haven't seen in this country and over 100 years. although i think a lot of the health experts are really learning about this virus and how it operates in the human body in real time, as we live through it. they are still learning about it today. i don't think effective gotten it wrong from time to time means americans shouldn't listen to them and should disregard whatever the guidances. as to this event tonight, i think it is a living, breathing microcosm of the vision the presidencies for the country. offer people the option to social distance if they want to, but don't force them. offer them the opportunity to make a my face covering. if the president's vision of this event is right, everyone will be fine. if he is not, this has the potential to be super-spreader events, and we obviously hope it is the former.

>> katie: indeed. carley, will catch you on the next block. sorry about that. china facing new scrutiny as the world health organization now indicates beijing was nowhere near as transparent about the coronavirus as the w.h.o. itself had claimed. what u.s. lawmakers are now saying about china and the w.h.o., up next. ♪ 300 miles an hour, thats where i feel normal. having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. protected lifetime income from an annuity can help your retirement plan ride out turbulent times. learn more at protectedincome.org.

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>> gillian: and updated world health organization timeline tracking the spread of the coronavirus shows chinese communist party government, the ccp, never reported the existence of the virus to international authorities in late 2019. that contradicts prior statements by top w.h.o. and chinese officials. the leading republican on house foreign affairs, mike mccaul, tells "the washington free beacon" he is glad the world health organization is "finally admitting to the world the truth."

they never reported the outbreak to the w.h.o., in violation of w.h.o. regulations. the question now is whether they will continue their false propaganda campaign that continues to claim they warned the world, or whether they will come clean and begin to work with the world health community to get to the bottom of this deadly pandemic. katie, i want to go to you first, because this is happening, new developing information is happening, as you well know, as the u.s. intelligence community still has an ongoing active investigation into the origins of this virus. what china knew about it, and when, and what it disclosed to the rest of the world. we are still standing by waiting to hear the results of that. >> katie: yeah, we continue to see that china did not engage in any kind of transparency, that the world health organization was complicit in spreading this virus, because they were not only covering for china, they were deliberately lying for them and telling the rest of the world they were doing their job

in reporting what was going on. the country that did do their job and reported that they were human human transmissions at the end of december was taiwan, and the world health organization ignored them on behalf of china. the united states has never trusted what china has said on this issue. they are still trying to figure out what happen. from the beginning, china has been completely responsible for the spread of this virus and they have lied their way through as it has affected millions of people all around the world, with their propaganda campaign, whether it's falsely accusing the united states military of starting this virus, or other egregious statements and false statements they've made. we have left the world health organization now, and i'm sure the administration is still looking at other consequences for china as we continue to find out more about the lack of transparency which led to the spread of this disease all around the world. >> gillian: on that point,

joey, a senior intelligence official told me this morning that at best try and derelict in its duty to prevent this virus from breaking out beyond has borders back in february. at worst, china willfully allowed it to happen. what say you? >> joey: i think if anything it shows that president trump acted very responsibly when he pulled us away from the w.h.o. so we are not complicit in funding what is now some sort of a coup or conspiracy between the w.h.o. and china. i think the people who criticize president trump for that, much like joe biden criticizing him for the travel ban, need to stop and be honest about the fact that it makes no sense for us to support an organization not only willing to allow this to happen, but to lie about it. what i do know is our policies moving forward need to be more defensive and protect us inside our borders from things like this, because we cannot rely on the international community now. we know we can't rely on them, to be honest and forthright and help us protect our citizens.

>> gillian: leslie, on the point that joey raises about president trump pulling the u.s. out of the world health organization, pulling that funding, democrats down the line say "bad move, irresponsible to cut funding for its organization in the middle of a worldwide outbreak of the virus that has created a global pandemic." the $500 million that the u.s. puts into the organization every single year is needed now more than ever. >> leslie: i do think it's a bad idea for us to tear away. was the world health organization wrong with this? certainly. china lied, what a surprise. they waited one week for the genetic mapping of covid-19 to be revealed, and there was only after, katie is correct, taiwan published it. the three countries that were looking into these genetic coding of this virus. you're not going to ever have 100%. i'm married, i love my husband.

i don't agree with him 100% of the time. i think, as part of the international community, the benefits of being part of this with their international neighbors throughout the world, it has more benefits than it does especially during a time like this. one reason for it, you had said, gillian, that this is a novel virus. i have, two doors down for me, right over there, an e.r. doctor who said we are missing something on this. every time we think we get it, it turns a corner with covid-19. it attacks the respiratory system, they are showing stomach issues, cardiac, brain issues. it's all over the place because it's new. medical professionals are also learning as they go, and i don't feel that the world health organization should be thrown out, and that we should not be aligned with them as a result of that. a lot of this information could be helpful to americans we could get through at international alliance, through w.h.o.

>> gillian: we got to leave it there, folks. carley, will get you first on the other side of the break. pressure now mounting on the nfl team in the nation's capital could change the name. the washington redskins are not responding. a major breaking of element in the story. we will bring it to you coming up next. ♪ i like liberty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. with nutrients to help support immune health. sstop struggling to clean tough messes with sprays. with nutrients to help try clean freak! it has three times the cleaning power of the leading spray

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>> katie: don't ask me to the washington redskins saying the team will conduct a thorough review of its name after renewed pressure amid the current wave of social justice protests. team owner dan snyder saying, "this process allows the team to take into account not only the proud tradition and history of the franchise, but also input from the alumni, the organization sponsors, the national football league, and the local community it is proud to represent on and off the field." that renewed pressure includes the team's stadium sponsor, fedex, demanding a name change, and nike pulling all of the team's merchandise and gear from its online store. searches now show no results. leaders in washington, d.c., say they won't let the team relocate to a new stadium in the nation's capital unless it changes the name. i am so curious to hear what all of you guys have to say about

this. it feels like it's only a matter of time before the washington redskins become the washington something else. >> leslie: i agree with you. look, i know it's uncomfortable to have a stadium changed or a venue changed. i'm a boston girl, when the boston "gahden" was changed, it made me sad. that's what happens. corporations are paying for the naming rights. that's what fedex did. $205 million is what they paid for the naming rights. even though, by the way, the fedex ceo is a minority owner, and the majority owner didn't seem to move much on this. but i do think -- and i agree with you -- we will see the name changed on the road. especially in light of the current climate. >> carley: exactly.

he feels like that's the direction we are heading in. joey, washington post poll for 2016, not too long ago, found a majority people don't find the name "washington redskins" to be offensive, and also a native american leader helped approve the team logo. even though they may change it, should they? >> joey: this is a matter of perspective. as an atlanta braves fan, a fan of the tomahawk chop, i ambiase. in defense of keeping these old logos. it comes down to the residents of washington, the fans of the team, and the corporate partners. nike is a heck of a social justice activist company that will sell shoes from time to time. of course they are going to jump in on this. dan snyder has been very stubborn about this, and he cited some pretty good reasons why he didn't want to change the name. it's going to come down to the fan base and the people around that team that they represent, and it should be there decision. >> carley: mentioned dan snyder, he has been so adamant this entire time. this has happened many times before, with a spin pressure to change the name. he has said that this honors the native american community, but now there is financial pressure,

gillian. nike and fedex saying that they want the name to be changed, so it proves that everybody has a price. >> gillian: that is exactly right, carley. he stole the words right out of my mouth. to me, but this highlights is the impact of corporate america, the power they are having over the sports teams. not, as leslie talks about, the naming rights to the field, like fedex field, but to the entire image and make up of the teams themselves. the move from fedex was a surprise. not so much from nike. they have been much more outspoken in terms of social activism in the black lives matter movement. fedex has released data hand-and-glove with the redskins over the last ten years on this issue. they have not stepped out front of them, they have lent their support to the team and whichever direction they want to go on this issue. i think the statement, the 1-sentence statement, came out thursday. it really took a lot of fans by

surprise, lots for them to digest. >> carley: katie, you live in washington, d.c.? arizona? washington, d.c., right? hi, nice to meet you. [laughter] i don't know if you've ever been to a redskins game where you are offended by it. what are your thoughts on the name change? >> katie: i have been to one and one only nfl game, and it was a redskins game. i am not much of an in the fall fan, so i will leave it to the fence it aside if you think it's a good idea. >> carley: for the record, for everybody watching, i do know katie quite well paid [laughter] that was a great discussion. >> katie: it's friday, it's all right. >> carley: it totally feels this is something that could come down the pipeline even though dan snyder and some of the fans have been fighting it for some time. we'll have more "outnumbered" in just a moment. next we're helping members catch up by sngsed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months

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>> carley: think it everybody at home for joining us on this beautiful july 3rd ahead of this weekend's festivities. thanks to the whole virtual couch. this was wonderful. katie and carley, he finally got to meet one another. we hope you will tune back in on monday paid [laughter] now here is julie banderas. ♪ >> julie: just a few hours from now, president trump will be leaving for mount rushmore, where he will be kicking off his fourth of july celebrations. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm julie banderas in for harris faulkner today. happy friday to you at home. the president heading to south dakota for that event tonight, where thousands of people are expected. before then, he will travel back to our nation's capital, where he will host a massive fireworks display tomorrow night. this, as the deferment of homeland security says it is deploying special units to washington, d.c.,