♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ america i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty & levin". we have a great guest robert woodson. how are you. >> and great. >> you haven't changed. i've changed a lot. i want to talk about the 16th 19 project that america was founded in slavery, slavery is in our dna, you've been a civil rights activist and spent yourr life committed to

improving the life of not just african-americans but all americans. you happen organization called the woodson center. before we get into this big 1619 issue, the new york times and what they're doing to our history and our future, what does your center do. >> the woodson center is an organization i founded 38 years ago in washington and we assist what we call grass root joseph's all over the country. our approach to poverty isn't to support professional programs that parachute into communities, we go into high crime low income neighborhoods and we ask questions that others don't.mu 770% of the families raising children are dysfunctional and 30% are raising them successfully. the woodson center goes in and looks for those who are achieving against the odds in these low income communities and wewe treat them like a venture capitalist without capital and once we find

solutions that are developed by the people, we provide training, we provide them access to money, and then we determine what other policy barriers that prevents them from maximizing. if someone is successfully reaching 50 kids in the community and reducing their violent behavior, we provide them with thenc assistance they need so they can grow so there affecting 500 kids and so we have grassroots leaders who we have trained 2500 of them in 38 states with different racial groups, different ethnic groups so they are what we call the antivirus purchased the human body is oriented toward strength, these are antibodies and so the woodson center celebrates their success and then we introducehe their success through public policy and try toce get changes so that we

improve. we are the antithesis of the poverty program. >> i want to ask about that because you don't participate in this massive centralized effort that's really gone on for half a century. going into these minority communities, you are a civil rights activist and was appointed what you broke off from the old-time civil rights activists, tell me about allel this. >> when i was active as a young worker, we were seeking opportunity for people to achieve. the civil rights movement, when they use what i call a bait and switch game they use the demographics of low income blacks as debate an when money arrives and the switch occurs so they began to exploit people.

i said the opposite of segregation is not integration, it's desegregation and so what i was pursuingou develop centers of excellence in communities like collins did in chicago, so we work on perfecting excellence, people will be drawn to you and integration should be a byproduct of the pursuit of excellence and so this was one departure and so i fell out of sorts with the civil rights movement because of desegregation i remember debating in chambers before the new york bar association, he was a black phd from harvard, a lawyer and midway through i said we have two circumstances. you've got school a where there's a school of excellence and s school be where there's.

[inaudible] and so what i have sought is to help low income people to become empowered and that's why i knew this was a scam when the poverty programs came. in 1960 when the government started spending $22 trillion, 70 cents of that dollar did not go to the poor, it went to those who serve the poor. they asked not which problems were solvable but which ones were fungible. and so, what happens is we created a commodity out of poor people and so, as a consequence there was no incentive to solve problems of the fourth because the careers of those serving them were dependent upon having people to serve and that's why in the black community you've seen the families disintegrate over

the last 50 years when prior, a hundred years prior to that black families were intact. we have a whole history of 100 years of one black families left slavery, 80% of all those black families were raising children in this family composition continued generation after generation but in the 60s, that changed because of government policies. there was a deliberate attempt on the part at columbia university, they said one of the ways we can emphasize the contradictions of capitalism separate work from income it will make the father redouble and that's what the poverty programs and welfare programs do. separate wealth from income

and so the nuclear family was redefined as zero centric and therefore irrelevant. christian faith was demeaned and so you have this government program beginning to attack the stigma on receiving welfare and as a combination of the federal government to recruit blacks into the welfare system and as a consequence in this early 70s, millions of blacks were recruited into the welfare system in new york and other major cities at a time when the unemployment rate for black men was 4% and so what the social engineers at the time predicted came true. 85%.

[inaudible] so social policies ofil the 60s did what racism couldn't accomplish before. >> you have now started the 1776 group to counter the 1619 new york times effort. the 1619 new york times effort, all read the first paragraph of one of their articles on this so the american people know what their two. they said it's not your most americans know in our country's history. those who do are at most a tiny fraction of those who can tell you that 1776. [inaudible] what if we were to tell you it was in late 1619 when the ship arrived at point comfort in the british colony of virginia carrying enslaved africans and

there was a babe eric system of slavery that would last for the next 250 years. this is sometimes referred to as thet country's original sin but it's more than that it's the country's very origin and some of the supporters of this have said slavery is in our dna which means you can't get rid of it. it's in our dna and you heard this and you read about this and you were repulsed by this. >> it's one of the most diabolical self-destructive ideas that i've ever heard. what they are doing is rewriting american history and unfortunately they are using those suffering and struggling to be america and defined america as a criminal organization on its lethal on the message they are saying

are all white americans are over presses and all black americans are victims and what this means is that the black community is exempting them from any kind of personal responsibility. a truly white supremacy to assume that blacks have no agency in the basic premise that we brought together a group of independent thinkers and activists called 1776. that's the real birth of america and what were demonstrating is that this is alive but were not going to engage in debate. what we want to offer through essays on the scholars that we brought together, we are providing an aspirational and inspirationalrn alternative narrative. for instance 1619 says that the current problems facing black america is at 75% of babies are out of wedlock and

we had more blacks killed more blocks in one year than the plan in 50 years. they are saying these present problems are directly related to slavery and jim crow. in our essays by our scholars we are providing evidence that that is not true. in fact when slavery ended 75% of all blacks were illiterate within less than 50 years that number reduced to 35. the literacy rates, black americans, we started our own schools. the education gap between whites and blacks in the south in 1910 was eighth-grade for whites, fifth grade for blacks. washington partnered with rows

of wall and they put up about $4 million and they built 5000 schools so that one third of all low income blacks attended their school. the studies show there was a three year gap reduced to six months so if blacks could reduce the educational gap between 1920 and 1940 and we have five major high schools, dunbar here in washington and atlanta for the class sizes were 50, the budgets of those schools are a small fraction of the white schools but every one of those black high schools in the 20s tested higher than any other white school. >> i think it's very important and you and i agree that if we lose our history we lose our

future and that's the battle that's taking place. we'll be right back

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something from five topics historians. james mcpherson, gordon wood, top schools in the country. the five of them felt compelled to write a a letter to the new york times and among other things they wrote this on the 6019 project. when the american revolution pivotal to any account of our history the project research that the founders declared the colonies independent of britain in order to ensure slavery would continue. this is not true they say. the allegation would be astounding that every statement offered by the project to validate it is false. some of the other material in the project is distorted including the claim that for the most part black americans have fought their freedom struggles alone. they go on. the 1619 project is not been presented as the music thindividual writers on the supposed direction between slavery and modern practices

and so far they have failed to establish any empirical veracity or viability and have seriously been challenged by other historians. instead, the project is offered as an authoritative account thatan bears the credibility off the new york times. those connected with the project can assure the public that its materials were shaped by a panel of historians that have been scrupulously fact checked. and yet thehe process remains opaque. the names of only some of the historians involved in the release extended their involvement as consultants and fact checking checkers remains vague. the selective transparency deepensag our concern. you started this 1776 project to counter this distortion that these historians talk about. a >> mark there are two ways to prevent people fromay competing. one to deny them by law like we did under segregation, but the more insidious way is to

convince them that they don't have to compete because of their history of oppression that your oppressor is obligated to be responsible for your future. that is a recipe for absolute disaster for people. it says if you are robbing and killing one another it's not your fault. if you're having babies out of wedlock and not taking care of them it's not your fault too much and you're overweight it's not your fault. and so it structural. in the 60s the doors were locked from the outside and we fought to open those doors but 1619 says the blacks, those doors are locked from the outside and what 1776 we said

n no. as cs lewis says this is a door that's locked from the inside. you have the right to self-determination and 1619 said that these conditions of history are dictate your present and we offer evidence to the contrary. there are plenty blacks were born slaves inside millionaires. how is that possible if slavery is responsible for the decline of people. one example, one woman was born 1818 in mississippi and she couldn't read or write in her master moved to salt lake city. she walked behind the wagon for a thousand miles tending to the sheet. she had three babies by him and when she got to salt lake city she moved to california and that was a free state. a judge freed her and as a

result she wast a midwife and earned $1.50 a day. she saved her money for ten years and purchased property innt what is now downtown l.a. and got into real estate and eventually when she died she was worth about $670,000 and she is the founder of the ame church that still there and her great parents on became one of the wealthiest blacks so there are countless stories like this of blacks in that. who achieved against the odds and those traditions continue. for instance, 1619 says that the decimation of the family can be traced to racism. between 1930, let's look at the evidence. between 1930, and 1940 during

the depression when the unemployment rate i was 25% and 40% among blacks. we had the highest marriage rates. elderly people could walk without being feared. if race was responsible how could we accomplish that. our essays by our scholars and activists provide evidence of this. it was our christian faith that helped us maintain standards. there washe a church in philadelphia for the members were taxed as showing a week and they have their own welfare system but you couldn't have paid welfare if you are lazy or a drunk so we had moral standards even during theta time of segregation and slavery and there is a

strong content of our character as ahi people which enabled us to withstand segregation but their people telling them their only lot in life is to be a victim and there's tremendous national security implications as well. could you imagine if 1619 is being taught in 3000e schools around the country and the black children believe there a victim of a racist society and they become 18 and that's all they're fed, why would they want to defend this nation against foreign invaders or become all breve law enforcement and protect civilians. we have toy challenge us but we cannot challenge it by writing papers and having conferences. that's why the 1776, we are not just thinkers but

activists. >> i want to pursue this, this activism. it's very, veryy important. let's not exchange white papers, because nobody cares and nobody can print more than the new york times anyway. you're saying we need to get, we need a ground game. when we come back i want you to explain that. we'll be right back. when you start with a better that's no way to treat a dog... ...you can do no wrong. where did you learn that? the internet... yeah? mmm! with no artificial preservatives or added nitrates or nitrites, it's all for the love of hot dogs.

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every time. this has been the key to our survival, the key to our growth that whenever we thought we were at our weakest, this is when we became the strongest, became the best version of ourselves, and found our way home. together. masimo. together in hospital. together at home.

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>> you are saying there wasn't enough to exchange white papers the battle is at the ground level. at the smithsonian institution in the new york times, our public schools, a growing number of them are embracing this. it's a big problem. and you are saying we compete against us how. >> first of all, as i said to conservatives, if we were fightinght the second world war, executing it and we were invading normandy, we would have only maybe in the air force and would be bombing the hell, waiting for hitler to show up and we wouldn't have any marines or soldiers. nor would be be supporting the insurgents in these occupied country. we need ground forces. that's why from 1776 we assembled and that's important

but we also are activists, people whose lives and actions and body the principles that we say we advocate. if we want people to embrace these principles and virtues, we must demonstrate that they have the consequence of h improving people's lives. they can restore communities. we brought people like john from los angeles, parker from washington and gary from akron ohio, all of these are activists in low income communities bringing about gang intervention and making community safe. john ponder is taking 2000 people out of prison and help them to live stable lives. he has 500 volunteers. about 40% are police officers. police officers actually mentoring sex offenders and as

a consequence the violent encounters between police and the minority community is dramatically reduced so we have models on the ground around the country that show that these are people who are taking those values and using them as a means of promoting redemption and transformation of people and communities and they are restoringnd communities. we as conservatives must see them as allies and supply them with funding and scholars should be writing about them and so when you're talking about a principal, it would be good to point to an example in a low income community. what the woodson center is trying to establish is the center for theo study of resilience and not just failure studies and so as you say, broadway, movies, so what were doing at 1776, were gonna have k-12 curriculum, were

going to have videos were going have festivals to celebrate 1776, we also should make grassroots leaders civic teachers so if young people cling to these grassroots leaders, we have the woodson center want to equip these pass routes leaders -- grassroots leaders so they are teaching the values and virtues of our founders and not just leave it to the academic scholars to do that. it's a comprehensive approach. we should see movies. we want to see more movies. we have illustrator as part of us. we want to, we just want have children's book. mark, the leading book in the socialist section at amazon is communism for kids. that's what were up against but we've got to match it.

that's why what the woodson center is doing is really developing a ground game butt' we need support for that. >> you've alsod been saying we have to do this because were up against this radical ideology that says more government, society is bad, there's nothing you can do for yourself to break out of it. it's in america's i dna. this is a failed country from day one and what you seem to be saying to me in the nation is that we f need to rid ourselves of that mighty fast and that's particularly deleterious to minority communities where the suffering, honestly is greater. for a whole host of reasons and what the new york times in this 1619 project is basically dressing up hard-core leftism and pushing it out as part of

american history. in my right. >> right. and they're trying to divide us, there saying that what's important, but mark, that mother in palo alto who lost a 17-year-old daughter to suicide and that mother from the black mother in washington lost a 17-year-old daughter to homicide, they have more in common than they do difference. one isn't white privilege and the other lack of social justice, no, we must put race aside so we can find out why, even in white communities like palo alto the suicide rate is six times the national average and inner-city washington d.c., the center for disease control said that 10% of the middle schoolers have attempted suicide more than schoolers. so there is a crisis and as

long as we have to contend with racial differences we won't be able to get that deep longing that inside. deep in the dni of this country is a desire to support virtue and it gets expressed in spontaneous ways. when the homeless man and boston found a knapsack with $46000 and he turned it in, someone posted a gofundme and they raised $93000 in a matter of days when a black homeless guy up in oakland, a white woman came in emptied her change purse and it had a 15000-dollar wedding band, she came back five hours later and he held it up and said are you looking for this part there was an outpouring of support so that means i deep in the dna

there is a thirst to support virtue but they want to see a sermon. there tired of people epreaching sermons. that's why 1776 we aren't offering this as debate. we want to offer the country more inspirational and aspirational alternative by telling stories. for instance mark, everybody ought to read about covert michigan. >> when we come back i want us about it. we'll be right back. me. if you assume that you're out of work for nine months but you end up only being out of work for three, well that's great. but if you think you're going to be furloughed for three months and it lasts for nine, well that'll be emotionally devastating.

so, we've got to prepare ourselves. tangibly and practically, as well as psychologically and emotionally.

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welcome back. bob woodson is talking about the 1619 project and your 1776

project to counter it at all levels. when we left we were talking about covert michigan and yount thought this was an important story there. >> there's a woman who wrote a book, this was settled right after the civil war price objections and from the time it was integrated, it was never segregated. blacks and whites lived in the same neighborhoods, attend the same schools, they were paid comparable wages even though in michigan's they were not allowed to hold elected office by law, they were elected to office and theyy served faithfully and it's a model for what america could have been throughout the country but in 1619 they say it's possible in america, interracial marriage was common there. people moved there because they knew they could live there in peace and so there are all kinds of examples that children need to be introduced

to because people are motivated to improve their lives. when you show them victories that are possible, not constantly reminding them of injuries to be avoided, that's what 1776 is trying to do. we must tell stories, we must armm children with contemporary examples of children doing resilience. we have an 18-year-old black kid who was homeless and broke his brothers bike and rode six hours across the statee of georgia to go to his community college and he pitched a tent, two white cops come up in the middle of the night, find out, put them up in a motel, friends of theirs gives them a job and says i don't want charity, i want to work so he washes dishes, they posted on the internet they raised $80000 in a few days and the.

[inaudible] so there are all kinds of examples. >> like in tennessee, i saw what the tornado did,ac nobody cares what color you are or your background, those people are helping each other. 911, whether it's mother nature or whether it's man-made disasters, this country, the people pulled together. you see that all the time, don't you. >> yes, but this really defines america. we spontaneously respond to those in need and that's the real america, and there's just endless examples of that kind of resilience, but when we see it we ought to celebrate it. a mother with two daughters, sleeping in her car and in a homeless shelter and the kids are studying by the light of a cell phone and these kids graduate with honors, valedictorian, salutatorian and they start college as

sophomores because they've taken so many advance placement courses. mark, they should be headlining at every conservative banquet. we should be writing about them. we should be inquiring of her and the kids, how did you do this. >> not just: conservatives, everybody. this ought to be on cable tv, network tv. every now and then let's say something positive about people of this country. when we y come back i have a question for you. bernie sanders says, and he says it on the stump constantly, america is racist from top to bottom. i want you to answer bernie sanders when we come back. we'll be right back. - i'm jeff anderson.

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if you were sexually abused by a priest, scout leader, coach or teacher contact us confidentially today. it's time. mark: welcome back, welcome back. almost every stump speech bernie sanders has america is racist from top to bottom. how do you react to that? it's so insulting. i remember years ago ini washington d.c., the clan had

come to town and they were busting 5000 people so the washington post came down into one of the most dangerous communities here in washington amassed a 70-year-old man if he was gonna join the demonstration about the clan and he said will bring them down here. sog his reality was the condition of drug addiction and violence in his community, it was not race. white people are not in these communities robbing people and creating murders. the reality of people who have to live in these troubled communities is very different than those on television and they just have a shorthand way ofeh somehow speaking to the needs of black people. soon the only thing that's of interest to black america iss race. that's insulting. >> you see a huge disconnect between the way the media reports what's going on in thesepo communities or even the

politicianses who are supposed to represent thesesp communities speak about these communities. does that question make sense to you. >> sure. for instance, about the starbucks situation in philadelphia, about these two men who got locked up, i file that against my hometown. what happened is these two men came to starbucks and they didn't order anything and so the manager asked a them to leave or they call the police. well, the ones reported they were locked up for being in starbucks. that's not true. the police asked them on three different occasions to please leave and they refused the police directive so therefore there were arrested for refusing the police, but the reporters left that part out

and only reported that they were arrested for being in starbucks and that's when starbucks caved in and this is where the race reporters had a heydayay because there consulting contracts were signed and they close down for race education for half a day. but that shows you where we are in the sad state of race in america. >> i hear a guy like bernie sanders who had spent his entire career in vermont talking about what's going on in the inner cities. i see a lot of these reporters who don't live in inner cities. i mean, the tough neighborhoods. i see a lot of the politicians selected from these neighborhoods, a lot of them don't live in those neighborhoods most of the time, but when they leave office, they fly home to

martha's vineyard or what have you, i don't feel from my perspective that i really get the truth from ourur media and others on what's going on in these communities. does that make sense to you. >> it does, but also when they underreport assaults of blacks on whites and also, that's a big problem. >> you can be attacked for just saying that. >> i know what the problem is we have to tell the truth. and there is crisis in truth telling and so i have an obligation to talk about if there's aem problem within the community then i have to stand up for that and say as i've said before was cs lewis, and black america we have to address the problem that there's an enemy within and that's what our groups do around the country. we address the enemy within

and we don't need bernie sanders telling us that our folks are exempt. >> you live it every day and your organization does. all right. we'll be right back. ♪ when you start with a better that's no way to treat a dog... ...you can do no wrong. where did you learn that? the internet... yeah? mmm! with no artificial preservatives or added nitrates or nitrites, it's all for the love of hot dogs.

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you've written a beautiful book, the triumph of joseph, how today's healers are reviving our streets and neighborhoods. i strongly suggest you go to amazon and grab a copy. this entire show buildup to this book. woodson 1776 project, the 1619 project, your project really is about americanism. your project is about radical

les leftism. >> it's reaffirming the values of 1776 and the purpose of the bring america together because we have a critical problem that even rich white people are dying from drug overdose and there is a crisis in america and we need to be coming together, black, white, brown, whatever so we can exchange our strategies for healing but we can't do it as long as this racism is hanging over us. let's put it aside so now we can concentrate on healing the hurt that is within us that is causing us to destroy ourselves. this country is in trouble but we can fix it because america is america. mark: where do we find these

based principles. we find them in faith and in our founding document, the deck declaration of independence. >> the constitution is a document that allows to modify and improve. no one should be defined by its birth defect. none of us want to be defined by the worst things we did as a young person and nor should a nation be defined by its defect defects, but by the promise, thousands and thousands of american blacks over the years have fought and died to protect these theye have endearing and responsible for the success that we have achieved. we are the only country that has an emancipation proclamation. we are the only country that to end slavery and redemption is what we should all be looking toward and redeeming our own lives and our communities and

healing us from within. >> it's been a great pleasure bob wilson. thank you my friend. i appreciate it. join us next time on life, liberty and levin. ♪ ♪ an ♪ ♪ >> good evening everyone welcome to "the next revolution" i'm steve hilton and this is the home of positive populism. pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and especially pro-america. especially on this july the fourth weekend pro america. joining us for the hour katrina pierson and charlie kirk. moments away brian kilmeade but first panic sets in over reelection prospect. that was a tweet this week. he said president trumps advisors are sounding alarms and there's widespread panic and pessimism over fears that