listen to them try i like it and i think it's perfect. >> thank you. great show. we love you america. ♪ ♪. mark: hello america i mark 11, this is "life liberty and levin", we have a great guest bob woodson. bob: pleased to be here mark. mark: we met three decades ago you have not changed. i want to talk about the 6019 project that america was founded in slavery and slavery in america's dna, you been a civil rights activist and your life to proving not just african

americans but all americans really. very briefly, the organization called the woodson center. before we get into this 1619 issue, the new york times and what they're doing to our history and future, what does your center do. bob: the woodson center is an organization i founded 38 years ago in washington and we assist the grassroots joseph all over the country, in other words poverty is not through to support professional programs that parachute into communities, we go into high crime low-income neighborhoods and we ask questions that others don't. it's 70% of the families raising children in these dysfunctional and 30% raising them successfully the woodson center goes in and looks for those who are achieving against the odds in the low-income communities. and we treat them like a venture capitalist without capital. once we find solutions that are

developed by the people suffering the problem, we provide training, access to money and then we determine what other policy barriers that prevents them to maximize. if someone is successfully reaching 50 kids in a community and reducing the violent behavior, we provide them with the assistance they need so they can grow and so we have grassroots leaders who we have trained 2500 of them and 38 states in different ethnic groups, they are what we call in our bodies. the human body is any oriented strength, these are antibodies in the woodson center celebrate their success and then we introduce their success to

public policies and try to get change so we improve. then synthesis of the poverty program. mark: i want to ask about this because you do not participate in this massive government effort that has been going on most half a century. going into these minority communities, you are a civil rights activist. in a point of which you broke off from the old-time civil rights activist, tell me about that. bob: when i was active in the civil rights movement as a young worker, we were seeking opportunity for people to achieve. the civil rights movement i think when they used debate and switch game, they used the demographics of low-income box adebate and when money arrived they switch the curve in the begin to exploit people and they

also supported for immigration. i said the opposite of segregation is not integration is desegregation. what i was pursuing, if you develop centers of excellence in communities like marvin collins did in chicago, and wework on perfecting excellence and if you produce excellent people would be drawn to you and integration should be a byproduct to pursuit of excellence. this was one factor and i felt out of sorts with the civil rights movement because of desegregation. i remember meeting julius chambers before the association, he was a black phd from harvard, a lawyer in midweight through the debate i said if we had two circumstances, you have school aid in its all-black but a presence of excellent in school

be, where should we send our children, he said school be in the he said there's no debate. and what i saw, to help low-income people to become empowered and so that's why i partnered with the company and a poverty program, i knew this was a scam. in the 1960s when the government started spending $22 trillion, 70 cents of the dollar did not go to the poor, it went to those who served the poor, not which problems are solvable but which ones were findable. and so what happens, we created a commodity out of poor people. and as a consequence, there was no incentive to solve problems of the poor because the careers of those serving them were dependent on having people to serve. that is why in the black community you have seen the

families disintegrate over the last 50 years when prior hundred years black families were intact. we have a whole history of 100 years when black families left slavery in 80% of those black families -- this continued after each generation, in the 60s that changed because of government policies. the columbia university they said one of the ways that we can emphasize the contradictions of capitalism is to separate work from income. it will make the father redundant. and so that's what the poverty programs and welfare programs to separate wealth from income and make the redundant in the

nuclear family was redefined as eurocentric and therefore irrelevant christian faith was demeaned, and so you have this kind of government program began to attack the stigma with the president of the black committ y of receiving welfare. the federal government opened up offices to recruit blacks into the welfare system and as a consequence in the early 70s, millions of blacks were recruited into the welfare system in new york and other major cities at a time when the unemployment rate was 4% for black man. so what the social engineers at the time became true. up until 1960, 85% of all black families were men and women raising children, that defines

to 75% of families. so social policies of the 60s where racism could not accomplish before. mark: you have now started a 1776 group to counter the 1619 new york times -- the 16th 19 new york times effort, or read the first paragraph of one of their articles on this so the american people know what they're up to, they say 1619 ise year most americans know of a notable date in the country's history, i certainly do not. those who do our utmost a tiny fraction that can tell you that 1776 is the year of the nation's birth, what if we were to tell you that the moment that the country defining contradict came into the world was late august 1619, that was when a ship arrived in the british colony of virginia airing a cargo of 20 - 30 enslaved

africans, their arrival inaugurated a barbaric system of channel slavery that would last for the next 260 years. this is sometimes referred to as the country's original sin. but it is more than that if the countries very origin and in fact some of the supporters of this effort have said slavery is in our dna. which means you cannot get rid of it, it is in our dna. have you heard this? have you read about this? and you are repulsed. bob: it's one of the most diabolical self-destructive ideas that i have ever heard. and what they are doing is rewriting american history and unfortunately they are using those suffering and struggling of black america as a bludgeon to beat america and defined america as a criminal organization. and it is lethal.

the message that they are saying is all white americans are oppressors and all black americans are victims. what this does, this means for the black community is exempting them from any kind of personal responsibility, it's really white supremacy. to assume that blacks have no agency in the basic premise that we brought together a group of independent thinkers and activists called 1776, that's the real birth of america. and what were organized -- were demonstrating this is a lie but we will not engage in victory of debate, what we will offer through our essays and our scholars that we brought together, we are providing an aspiration on inspirational alternative narrative that presents facts. for instance, 1619 says that the current problem facing black america was 75% of babies are out of wedlock, we lost more

blacks -- more blacks killed more blacks in one year then lynched by the clan in 50 years. they are saying that the present problems are directly related to the legacy of slavery and jim crow. by our scholars were providing evidence that is not true. in fact, when slavery ended, 75% of all blacks were deliberate. with less than 60 years that reduced to 35. the literacy rates, black americans started our own schools. the education gap between whites and blacks in the south in 1910 was eighth grade for whites, fifth grade for blacks. booker t. washington partnered

with rosenwald and put up 4.6, they built five roosevelt schools, so one third attended the schools, in 1920 in 1940, the study showed that that three year gap was reduced to six months so if blacks could reduce the education gap between 1920 and 1940 and we have five major high schools, dumbarton washington and atlanta where the class sizes -- we used textbooks, the budget was a small fraction of what the white schools. but every one of those black high schools in the 20s tested higher than any other white school in the city. >> mark: i think this is very important, you and i agree if we

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from top colin dueck top historians, james mcpherson, gordon wood, top schools in the country, five of them. they felt compelled to write a letter to the new york times and among other things they wrote this of the 1619 project. when the american revolution pivotal to any account of our history, the project in the founders declared the colonies independent of britain in order to ensure slavery would continue. this is not true they say, if supportable the allegation would be astounding. if every statement offered by the project validated is false. some of the other material in the project is distorted. including the claim that for the most part black americans have fought their freedom struggles alone. they go on, for 1619 project has not been presented of the views of individual writers and views in some cases are up direction between slavery and the moderate

corporate practices. and so far failed to establish any liability and has been fiercely challenged by other historians. instead, a project is offered as an authoritative account with the credibility of the new york times. those connected with the project to assure the public that the materials are shaped via panels historians in ms. group usually fact chain. the names of only some of the historians involved in the release extended their involvement as consultants and fact checking remains vague. the selective transparency deepens our concern. you started the 1776 project to counter this distortion that these historians talk about. bob: absolutely. mark, there's two ways to prevent people from cheating, one to deny them by law the way we did under segregation. but the more insidious way is to

convince them that they don't have to compete. that because of their history of oppression that your oppressor is obligated to be responsible for your future. that is a recipe for absolute disaster for people. it says if you're robbing and killing one another it's not your fault. if you're having babies out of wedlock and not taking care of them, it is not your fault. if you are eating too much and overweight, it is not your fault. it is structural and distant. that's like in the 60s, the doors were locked from the outside and so we forced to open the doors but 1619 says the blacks, those doors are locked

from the outside in in 1776 we say no as cf lewis said this is the door locked from the inside, you have the right of self-determination and in 1619 is said that these conditions of history dictate your present and we in 1776 offer evidence of the country. they say capitalism is in the interest of blacks. they were born slaves died millionaires. how is that possible if slavery were responsible for the decline of people. one example, one woman, mason born 1818 in mississippi and she cannot read or write and her master, he was a mormon and moved to salt lake city, she walked behind a wagon for 1000 miles tending to the sheep, she had three babies by him. when she got to salt lake city, he moved to california and that

was a free state, a judge freed her and as a result she was a midwife and earned a dollar 50 a day. she saved her money for ten years and purchase property in downtown l.a. and got into real estate and eventually when she died she was worth about $670,000. and she is the founder of the church and her grandson became one of the wealthiest blacks. so there are countless stories like this of blacks in that. who achieved against the odds. in those traditions will continue. for instance 1619 says that the decimation of the family can be traced to races. between 1930, let's look at the evidence, between 1930 in 1940, during the depression when there

was 25% on appointment rate, the only implement rate in the black community was 40%. we have the highest rate of any other group, elderly couldn't walk safety without being fearful of being mugged by their grandkids. if racism were responsible then how could we accomplish that. so our essays by our scholars and activists, we provide evidence of this. it was arch christian faith that helped us maintain standards. there was another bethel church in philadelphia where the members were taxed initially in a week, they had their own welfare system. but you cannot obtain welfare if you read responsible lazy or drunk. so we had moral standards even during time of segregation and

slavery. it was a strong content of art character of people which enabled us to withstand the horrors of oppression. but 1619 is cheating black children by telling them there only life -- it has national security implications. can you imagine if 1619 is being taught in 3000 schools around the country and that black children grow up leaving their victim of a racist society and they become 18 and that is all they are fed, why would they want to defend this nation against foreign invaders or become a member of law enforcement and protect us. what we have got to challenge but we cannot challenge by writing papers and having conferences. that's why the 1776 we assembled

not just thinkers but activists. mark: i want to pursue this. activism point, is very, very important. you say let's not change white favors pre-nobody cares, nobody can. more than the new york times anyway. so you say we need to get into an activist so when we come back i want you to explain that. we'll be right back. ♪ if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years. gubut force factor's test x180 are tough. can help us man up, america, by boosting total testosterone. build muscle, fuel desire, and improve performance. get test x180 from force factor, the #1 fastest-growing men's health brand at walmart.

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live from america's news headquarters i'm ashley strohmeyer. the movement that triggered the defacing and tearing down of statues appears to be growing. there tearing down baltimore christopher columbus statue and throwing it in the harbor. one says it's a victory for the entire african american community. the anniversary of the famous speech he gave in 1852. douglas referred to july 4 as a sham holiday and a nation that oppresses and enslaves its black citizens. [inaudible] near baltimore earlier tonight, 19 people attending a birthday party were hurt, one critically. they went into a garage to

take shelter from the storm. i'm ashley strohmeyer now back to life, liberty and levin. bac. you were saying not enough to exchange white favors as intellectual but the battle at the ground level. did the smithsonian institution, 1619 effort in the new york times, the public schools are growing, embracing this it's a big problem. and you are saying to compete against this how? bob: i said to conservatives if we were fighting the second world war executing a innovating normandy, we would have the navy and air force and bombing the hell out of them and waiting for them to surrender on the beach, we would not have any marines or soldiers. nor will we be supporting the surgeons in these opera kind countries. we need ground forces. that's why when 1776 we

assembled not just thinkers, that's important but also activist, people whose lives and actions embody the principles that we advocate. we want people to embrace these principles and virtues, we must demonstrate that they have the consequence of improving people's lives. they can restore communities. we brought people like john ponder, from los angeles and gary rye is from ohio, willie peterson, all of these are activist and low-income communities bringing about a gang intervention in making the places safe. john ponder is taking 2000 people who came out of prison and help them to live stable lives, he has 500 volunteers. about 40% are police officers. police officers actually mentoring the offenders in the

consequence of violent encounters between police and the minority is dramatically reduced. so we have models on the ground, around the country that shows that these are people who are taking these values and using them as a means of promoting redemption and transformation of people and communities and their restoring communities. we as conservatives must see them as allies and supply them with funding, also scholars should be writing about them, it would be good to point to an example in a low-income community. what the woodson center is trying to establish is the center for the study of resilience. and not just to failure studies. and so as you say, the la left s broadway, movies, what were doing in 1776 were going to have

a k-12 curriculum and we will have videos, we will have test festivals to celebrate 1776, we also should make grassroots leaders civic teachers. so if young people cleave to the grassroots leaders, we at the within center want to equip these grassroots leaders so they are teaching young people the values and virtues of our founders and not just leave it to the academic scholars to do that. so it's a comprehensive approa approach, we should see movies, we want to see more movies, we have an illustrator as a part of us. we want to have children books, the leading book in the social section and amazon is communism for kids. that's what were up against.

we have to match it, that's what the within center is doing is developing a ground game, we need support for that. mark: you seem to be saying conversely, we have to do this because were up against the radical ideology that says more government, society is bad, there is nothing you can do for yourself to break out of this. it's in america's dna, this is a failed country from day one. and what you see in the nation is we better rid ourselves of that mighty fast. and is particularly the minority communities where the suffering is greater. for a whole host of reasons and what the new york times in the 1619 project is basically dressing up hard-core leftism and pushing out as part of

american history. am i right? bob: right, they're trying to divide us and saying what is important but mark, that mother who lost a 17-year-old daughter to suicide in the black mother in public housing in washington lost a 17-year-old dollar daugho homicide, they are more in common than difference. one is not white privilege in the other one is lacking social justice, no, we must put race aside so we can find out why even in white communities that the suicide rate is six times the national average. in inner-city washington, d.c. the center for disease control said that 10% of the middle schoolers have attempted suicide. there's 4000 middle schoolers, that's more than one a day. there is a crisis, moral and

spiritual crisis but as long as we have to contend with racial differences, we will not be able to get at the deep longing inside. one other thing, deep in the dna of this country is a desire to support you virtue, gets expresd in different ways, the homeless man in boston founded nasdaq with $46000, he turned in and someone posted on gofundme, they raised $93000 in a matter of days when a black homeless guy in oakland, a white woman came in indee emptied her change anda $50000 wedding band, she came back five hours later and he held it up and said look at this. there was an outpouring of support.

so that means deep in the dna there is a thirst to support virtue but they want to see a sermon, they're tired of people preaching sermon. they're tired of the combat. that's when 1776 we are not offering this as a debate, we want to offer the country and more inspirational and aspirational alternatives are telling stories. for instance, everybody ought to read about covert michigan. mark: when we come back i want you to tell us about covert michigan. we'll be right back.

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about covert, michigan and you said there was an important story. bob: there was a woman that wrote a book about covert, michigan, this is right after the civil war by some veterans of the civil war, black and white. from the time it was settled it was integrated, it was never segregated. blacks and whites lived in the same neighborhood, attended the same school, worked in the same companies, have the same wages, michigan blacks were not allowed to hold office by law, they were elected to office and they serve faithfully and it's a model for what america could have been throughout the country. but it defies what 1619 is, covert, michigan interracial marriage was common there. people move their because they knew that they could live there in peace and there's all kinds of examples that need to be

introduced because people are motivated to improve their lives. and not of injuries to be avoided. and that is what the 1776 is trying to do. we must tell stories and tell children there are contemporary examples of people we have an 18 euro black kid and rode his brothers bike six hours across the state of georgia to go to his community college and two white cops come up in the middle of the night and see him and put them up in a motel and a friend of theirs gives him a job and he says i don't want charity, i want to work so he washes dishes and they toasted that they raised $80000 in a few days. in the president moved on him.

so there are all kinds of story. mark: nashville, tennessee, i see what this tornado did, nobody cares what color you are and nobody cares anything about your background, these people are helping each other. 9/11, whether other nature or disasters, this country, the people pull together, you see that all the time don't you? bob: yes. this defined america, we spontaneously respond to those in need and that's the real america, there's inlets examples of that kind of resilience of when we see it we ought to celebrate. a mother with two daughters sleeping in her car in a homeless shelter and the kids are sitting by the light of the cell phone, and these kids graduate with honors. valedictorian, saluted victorian

and they started college sophomores because they have so many advanced courses. they should be headlining at every conservative banquet, we should be writing about them. we should be inquiring of her and the kids, how did you do this. mark: bob woodson, not just conservatives. this ought to be on cable tv, every now and then let's say something positive about the people of this country. when we come back i have a question for you. bernie sanders says, he says it constantly, america is racist from top to bottom. i want you to answer bernie sanders when we come back. sanders when we come back. we'll be right back.

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mark: welcome back, bob, bernie sanders says america is racist from top to bottom. how do you react to that? bob: first of all, i bristle every time but because it's so insulting. i remember some years ago in washington, d.c. the clan had

come to town in a bus and 5000 people in the washington post came down from one of the most dangerous communities in washington and they asked a 70-year-old man if he is going to join the demonstration against the clan and he said they have done here the drug dealers. his analogy was a condition of drug addiction and violence in his community. white people are not in these communities robbing people and creating the murders. so the reality of people who have to live in these troubled communities is very different than those that are on television and have a shorthand way of somehow speaking to the needs of black people and assume the only thing that is an interest of black america is racist. that is insulting. mark: you see a huge disconnect between the way the media reports what is going on in

these communities? or even the politicians who represent these communities speak about these communities? does that question make sense? bob: sure. for instance we know about the starbucks situation in philadelphia about the two men that have gotten locked up. i follow that because it's our hometown. mark: what happened? bob: the two men came to starbucks. mark: philadelphia. bob: , they did not order anything and so the manager asked them to leave or they would call the police. the washington post reported that they were locked up for being in starbucks, that is not the truth, the police asked them on three different occasions to please leave. and they refused the police directive. therefore they were arrested for refusing the police but the reporters left that part out and

only reported that they were arrested for being an starbucks and that's when starbucks caved in and this is where the race hustlers had a field day because their consulting contracts were signed and starbucks would close down a half a day to teach raised about their employees which is the going bracket in the country and that shows you where we are in the sad state of race in america today. mark: i hear a guy like bernie sanders who has spent his entire career in vermont and what's going on in the inner cities, i see the lot of the reporters who don't live in the inner cities i mean the tough neighborhoods. i see a lot of the politicians elected from the tough neighborhoods who a lot don't live in the neighborhoods for most of the time. or when they leave office, some of them get wealthy, by homes at

martha's vineyard or whatever you, i don't feel that i really get the truth from our media and others on what's going on in these communities. does that make sense? bob: it does. but also when they underreport assault of blacks on whites and also -- that's a big problem. mark: you can be attacked for just saying that. bob: the problem is we have to tell the truth. and that there is a crisis in truth telling. so i have an obligation to talk about the problem within the community, then i have to stand up for that and as i said before with cs lewis, and black america we have to adjust the problem of the enemy within.

that's what our groups do around the country, we address the enemy within and we don't need a bernie sanders telling us that our folks are exempt from any responsibly. mark: we'll be right back. ♪

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les leftism. >> it's reaffirming the values of 1776 and the purpose of the bring america together because we have a critical problem that even rich white people are dying from drug overdose and there is a crisis in america and we need to be coming together, black, white, brown, whatever so we can exchange our strategies for healing but we can't do it as long as this racism is hanging over us. let's put it aside so now we can concentrate on healing the hurt that is within us that is causing us to destroy ourselves. this country is in trouble but we can fix it because america is america. mark: where do we find these

based principles. we find them in faith and in our founding document, the deck declaration of independence. >> the constitution is a document that allows to modify and improve. no one should be defined by its birth defect. none of us want to be defined by the worst things we did as a young person and nor should a nation be defined by its defect defects, but by the promise, thousands and thousands of american blacks over the years have fought and died to protect these principles because they have an enduring and responsible for the success we have achieved. we are the only country that has emancipation proclamation. we are the only country that fought a war to end slavery, and redemption is what we all should be looking toward, redeeming our own lives and

also redeeming our communities and healing us from within. mark ♪ ♪ >> good evening everyone welcome to "the next revolution" i'm steve hilton and this is the home of positive populism. pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and especially pro-america. especially on this july the fourth weekend pro america. joining us for the hour katrina pierson and charlie kirk. moments away brian kilmeade but first panic sets in over reelection prospect. that was a tweet this week. he said president trumps advisors are sounding alarms and there's widespread panic and pessimism over fearst