>> eric: and counting. william, thanks so much. sandra, back with you tomorrow. >> sandra: grew to be with you eric see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert, violence on the rise in major cities across america over the holiday weekend. all of this as you see people pushing to defund the police. at least eight people died in new york city, more than 40 people were shot. in chicago, 17 people killed, including two young children. dozens more people injured in both of those cities. in atlanta, georgia, an 8-year-old child shot and killed near the scene of rayshard brooks' memorial, near that wendy's. the mayor joined that girl's mom to make this emotional plea. >> we are shooting each other up on our streets, you shot and killed a baby. it wasn't one shooter, there

were at least two shooters. an 8-year-old baby. we are doing each other more harm than any police officer on this force. >> harris: the bloodshed in new york city is, of course, just days after the city council voted to cut $1 billion from the police department budget. however, protesters are still camped out at city hall, demanding more defunding of the nypd. despite what was reportedly the city's bloodiest june in 24 years. former nypd commissioner, ray kelly, went after mayor bill de blasio. >> the police have been told to back off from doing anything that remotely looks like proactive policing. de blasio, this mayor is atrocious. if i had a magic wand, i would remove -- all we wanted to do was have political credit.

if we reduce the nypd by a billion dollars. the administration, the hallmark of incompetence. >> harris: meanwhile, president trump reacted to the shootings in chicago and new york city by tweeting that the federal government is ready, willing, and able to help if asked. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, fox business anchor dagen mcdowell. house of kennedy on fox business, candidate yourself. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall is here. in the center seat, a host of "reality check" on fox nation and host of the david webb show on sirius xm, david webb. good to see all of you. it's been a little bit of a break for me, so i'm glad to started off with you guys. david, i'm going to come to you first. i don't know if you saw the mom of the grandfather of that 8-year-old in atlanta saying, "if black lives matter, why didn't her life matter?" i get choked up just saying it.

that conversation is shifting a bit on where we are and who we are trying to be and protect and represent. what do you say about all of this? >> david: it is tragic, harris, and everyone. something that bullets don't do is they don't discriminate. sadly, where the bullets are being fired the most in america's communities is the problem. it's happening in poor and underserved communities regardless of color, but all too often, when we hear about or from those that believe that end, i agree with the phrase but not the actions that black lives matter. black labs always mattered, except to those in charge. these cities have been failed by their leaders, their elected officials. that issue the policies, that give the police handcuffs on them rather than handcuffs to put on criminals. as a result, these innocent children, boys & girls club,

adults, it doesn't matter what age, they are the victims of a bullet that doesn't discriminate, but there's more to this. the shootings and the numbers in chicago and new york and around the country. robberies are on the rise. more common crimes, if you will, are on the rise. those are crimes that have a higher percentage of those individuals that come at them, without meeting justice, going on to commit even further, bigger crimes, leading to murd murder. these activities are not isolated from each other. it is a path, it's a gateway to more criminality. when you look at the reports, the precinct reports, they are seeing more robberies. what they are not doing, they are not being allowed to arrest criminals. they are releasing them from jail in these bail reform movements, as they call it, but the fact that it's a no bail and the people on the streets that pay the heaviest price, like those ones you mentioned. >> harris: that little girl. it just breaks my heart. you are right about those situations that we all need to

get into now, those conversations about what we want our streets to look like. you know, leslie marshall, this is a call, a cry from some in your party, "defund the police." a billion dollars gone from nypd. that's what protesters said they wanted. they are still on the streets, it wasn't enough. what really are you looking for? i know you don't represent the whole party, but those you are familiar with who want this, what is being sought at this point? what makes this a situation that we all can live with? >> leslie: you know, the majority of those protesting and the majority of those in my party want reformation. when they ask for defunding the police, they don't want the elimination of the police. they just don't want officers responding to mental illness situations that could be better handled by a sociologist, social worker, psychologist, people like that. here's the problem i and many democrats have, and some both left and right were talking in my backyard yesterday, protesting for rights. these individuals should take a

cue from other people who protested fabulously. rosa parks, the reverend dr. martin luther king jr., peacefully. these protesters who are violent are hurting the demands, if you will, and the request of those protesting nationwide. i am a mom, anybody, i think even if you are not a mom or dad, to see a child die -- but also, black on black crime has been a problem in places like chicago. not just this year, not just from the death of mr. george floyd, but in 2019 and 2018, if you look at these numbers, we also know statistically that reducing federal and state budgets with regard to law enforcement doesn't correlate to an increase in crime. one of the problems here is that you have definitely some bad apples with guns out there with a different agenda than most of the people in my party who are asking for reform. they are not asking for people to be killed while they are screaming for reform at these

protests. >> harris: it's interesting to hear you say reformation versus elimination of the police. you articulate that so much better than many of the people who are down there with signs, and you are a professional communicator, so i get that. but i'm wondering if you are spot on, actually, about that message prayed some people really do want to eliminate them. i've been spending some time looking and listening, because i've had some time on vacation, what else would i be doing? i'm reading and what i'm finding, kennedy, as that there is a break almost in with the protesters say they want. some of them really do want a dissolution of the society that we have now in terms of our police, and some want, as leslie is describing, they don't want to have to show up to so many domestic violence calls, and those who really need social workers. what is your take? >> kennedy: domestic violence calls can actually be very dangerous, so i wouldn't entirely eliminate police from that. ask any person who has been the victim of domestic violence,

sometimes the person you need there the most as a person with a badge and a gun who is going to protect your life. the mental illness calls, i understand that. i think police are tasked with too much. i've said that over and over. but there's a big difference between peaceful protesters who actually have a very rational list of demands and changes they would like to see from police departments and police philosophy. i think they should be included in the discussion. i also think there are a lot of good people who have been marching tirelessly in cities across the country demanding change and realizing that this is a pivotal moment for them and for what they believe in. especially when it's an ideology. then you have people who are terrorists, like those in atlanta who are blocking off the streets, which is how she died, her mom was trying to get her around one of those barricades. they are not put up by police, they were put up by the arm people in the streets. they are doing the same thing in my hometown in portland, oregon. they are terrorizing the city. they aren't tiring dominic

destroying entire blocks. they are destroying property, and my niece who works in downtown portland says the media isn't even covering it anymore because they are afraid to show up. if you are talking about it in terms of terrorism, they have achieved their objective. what is going to happen in places like new york? i said this before and i will say it again. you are creating a situation where a lot of people who pay high taxes are going to leave. crime is going to go up, and then you are going to get more police than before without any sort of changes to what you had a problem within the first pla place. >> harris: wow, it's almost like you can see outside new york city and some of the suburbs and areas right close to the city like mine, right on the hudson river. kennedy, just this weekend we are seeing houses go up and close very quickly. not close, but cell. we have the vicinity to the city, but we are not in the city. we are not in the state of

new york. what you are talking about is already starting to happen. what happens when they begin to see even farther out? leave this whole metro area altogether? menus left a stamp that perhaps he will go back and wonder, "what could we have done differently?" dagen, you're one of my favorite many people. this does come down to the economy, as well. the kind of things that kennedy is describing affect the local economies. not just new york but all those around them. >> dagen: particularly in major metropolitan areas, it becomes a downward spiral where your tax base leaves and these left-wing liberal politicians have to raise taxes and raise taxes and raise taxes to fund their runaway budget. you have seen it time and time again. in new york city that's going to happen again. look at the mayor's wife. want to talk about mental illness, she spent a billion dollars on the thrive nyc initiative to improve mental illness outcomes with zero to show for it. yes, more than one quarter of

police shootings in this country involve fatal police shootings, they involve someone with a mental illness. but they only require police officers get eight hours of training to deal in those situations. social workers are not capable of dealing with it. that is a fallacy pushed by the left. what is going on in new york city has been years in the making, a liberal looniver looniverse. the wall street editorial page wrote about it over the we can pay the ease life of quality of life, public urination. the men nda no longer press getting them. bailey formed this year left out repeat offenders over and over again onto the streets. again, assault of a child under 11, you're out on bail. arson come out on bail manslaughter, add on bail hate crimes, out on bail. in more recent weeks, the police department has dismantled its anti-crime unit under political pressure. don't forget on the left wing

liberals who have all the money, run the cities, they have police protection. they can have armed guards protecting them. they can get a concealed carry permit. if you're a regular person in these cities, you can't protect yourselves. you're at the mercy of these politicians and it's frightening what's happening to people. >> harris: i see everyone just kind of frozen at this moment as you speak, because you talk not just about new york but all of these urban areas that are struggling with these issues. you speak very plainly. drop that mic. thank you, dig in. we are awaiting a white house press briefing at the top of the next hour. president trump's announcement of a national guard honoring american heroes getting praise. and, some pushback. why some critics are saying it misses the mark. keep watching. we are coming back after the break. >> we will honor extraordinary citizens from every community and from every place, and from

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>> the national guard and of american heroes will be a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest americans who have ever lived. >> harris: president trump on his executive order to establish a national garden of honor prominent americans. that includes the founding fathers, martin luther king jr., evangelical leader billy graham, abolitionist harriet tubman, and frederick douglass, and many, many more. critics are already pointing to a lack of diversity on the list,

with only five african-americans, no hispanics or latinos. the executive director of the american historical association says this. "it seems like a pretty naked attempt to seize on the cultural conflict to distract from other issues. you might want to consult different communities about who their heroes are and not just choose your own. you might also want to consult professionals like actual historians." the order also won praise including from secretary eugene scalia saying it's about more than the fact that his late father, supreme court justice antonin scalia, is on that list. here's what he said. >> it would mean a lot. i didn't see that one coming. it was really touching to hear. i think it would mean a lot to the american people. we need heroes. we need to admire our forebears, and recognize what is great and good in our past. that is what the president is emphasizing. >> harris: david webb, i know you've been talking about this on your radio show.

what's up? >> david: well, i'll tell you, first thing that came to mind when i heard this, and then looking at the list, no matter who is on the list, harris, they are going to have to guard this garden well. as long as donald trump as an office, if he wins another term, they are going to have to guard this garden. why? the canceled culture, tear down the statue, cancel history, the leftists out there in the anti-americans in whatever form they claim are going to go after it. that is sad and pathetic, but as speaker pelosi, the democrat leadership, and others, their tacit approval, this should be political. they make it political. these are great figures in american history. whether it is working for freedom for blacks, you look at susan b. anthony, you look at the suffragette movement, you look at the suffrage movement, look at what has gone on in this country. look at the effect on law and jurisprudence that antonin scalia has had. are there others? i would have plenty to recommend

on the list. but rather than criticize, and every american is a historian historian. if history is available, read it. you can see he was really great and deserves to be here. not based on a political party. >> harris: do you think, dagen, there should have been or could still have room for -- because we don't know, maybe the president is talking with historians and still listening to people to do further what he will do with this garden. >> dagen: it would take potentially years to put together. i would say take all of this money, rather than putting it in busts or statues, and actually educating and spending more money on educating people about all of these figures and the many, many more who are not included in it. >> harris: amen to that. >> david: amen. >> dagen: i went through the list of -- light, sacajawea is not included on the list. i just thought, i'm stumbling on the name, but i know most people don't even know how to pronounce that. there's a quote from a woman who

teaches at the university of north carolina at charlotte named karen cox. she says monuments are more of a reflection of those who put them up. they aren't so much about the past as they are reflective of our values and ideals in the present. more education, and fewer busts. >> harris: yeah, maybe we need to hear from the education secretary. have we heard from her recently? kennedy, i will come to. >> kennedy: betsy devos? i had dinner with her last night, she is lovely. [laughs] i'm just kidding. [laughter] >> harris: what does she think about the situation? i'm just saying, for months, it's more about history and let's get more of it in schools. >> kennedy: we should teach more history in schools. we do need more perspective. unfortunately our public education system has been co-opted by marxists, essentially. they are rewriting history. they have a very short and narrow view of communism in particular. my family fled communist romania, with one suitcase on a boat with three kids, the going

was tough, but getting to america was their reward. boy, aren't i happy that my mom and her family made the journey. having said that, i don't disagree with the historians who have said this is all a distraction. and i think it is. i think the problem is we get wrapped up in these conversations and miss the ultimate point, because the mob will never be satiated. there will always be more statues to topple, and they will never go, "yep, you know what? that's it. we have finally achieved our end, this is victory, let's all come together." that's not going to happen. once you feed the beast, it just keeps growing. that is what's happening here. we have talked about some of the liberal mayors who have abdicated their leadership in this country. they are appeasing mobs. they are abandoning rational conversations, and you are absolutely right. bottom line, we need to educate ourselves on the truth. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i actually like the

idea of a hero's garden. i have two problems with it, although, dagen, the education i.d. is awesome. you had me smiling and agreeing with you there. i'm a history buff. one of the problems is it's not diverse enough. where is a native american like geronimo or sacajawea? were jewish ideas like jonas salk, muslims like -- cesar chavez. lack of diversity is one problem. i agree it's. this is not a time for tax dollars to be spent building or statues. this is the time for tax dollars to be spent at actual plans and so covid-19 is in our rearview mirror and a memory and we can unite as a country without having to build statues right now somewhere in washington, d.c. and, quite frankly, to be a bit of a dangling carrot for those who are enjoying pulling statues down at this time. >> harris: will move on.

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>> kennedy: welcome back. joe biden raising eyebrows last night with a tweet saying, "we are going to be donald trump, and when we do, we won't just rebuild this nation, we'll transform it." transformers! no word on exactly what that means, but by his critics on the right, they've said they will take his marching orders from the democratic party's left-wing and critics on the left say he did not help solve the major issues of the past despite his decades in government. so, leslie marshall, i will ask you, what does a joe biden transformation look like? what does that mean? >> leslie: well, the way i

took it, kennedy, as a democrat and a joe biden supporter, i took it as we are going to transform our nation from where we are now. we are very divided, he wants to unite. he talks about bringing the soul of this nation back. quite frankly, there are a lot of americans out there that are saying, "where's the plan?" as we go forward with regard to covid-19, as an example pair that's on his website. "where's the plan with regard to immigrants and immigration?" that's on his website. "where's the plan for black americans can mark" on his website. women, that's goes forward. their people critical of what he did and didn't do as vice president and his decades in the senate and in politics, but being president is a very different position, obviously. you have a lot more power. in addition to that, we are at a very different time. not only the protests, not only with covid and the way our nation is, i feel that he will transform us from a different point than we are now.

honestly, if we are willing in voting for him and living together as a nation, but especially when it comes to all of these protests and what people want. crying for reclamatio reformatie legal and law-enforcement abutment spirit or covid-19. those are just two areas but they are two repressing areas in our nation right now. speaker i don't know, man. i don't see them as a transformation figure. you look at presidents like ronald reagan, bill clinton, and barack obama, those are transformational politicians. those were people who came in and had two terms and the country wanted something different. they were, i in the case certaiy bill clinton and barack obama, largely unknown to the population, but that's what they hungered for. i think joe biden might be too well-known. >> harris: good point. >> kennedy: again, david webb, is he capable of that level of transformation? >> david: i will give you the short version of the merriam-webster definition of "transformation" that leslie just gave, according to

joe biden. the answer is no. joe biden has been in washington, d.c., making decisions, casting votes, writing policy that has been wrong for america on national security, on the economic environment, on our political system. no matter what he's done, he has been wrong most times. this is not a man who is going to transform. we talk about america being a more perfect union. that is an evolution of a society that is not static. unfortunately, joe biden is a static politician who has sat in washington and accomplished virtually nothing but seek his next job. look at his record of accomplishment, not what he says he supported. by the way, so he's writing a plan for covid, but by the time he gets to the presidency, we will be well past most of it. will he have residual effects economically and biologically? that is likely. joe biden can write all the plans he wants, he is like

elizabeth warren. but when he gets that point, if you are elected, would it be -- joe biden is nothing new. he's a single d.c. player. to the american people, just ask yourself, what did he do, what hdid he bring you before this? >> kennedy: susan rice 'a stock reportedly as joe biden's potential running mate. according to the hill, the former obama national security advisor and u.n. ambassador is getting lots of attention in biden's camp, despite kamala harris and elizabeth warren getting more buzz. one obama administration veteran saying everybody automatically thinks of kamala harris when he thinks he needs to pick a woman of color. it became conventional wisdom, but if you look at susan's credentials, she makes perfect sense. she's a rock star who has the confidence, stature, and gravitas to be vice president. here's what rice herself had to say yesterday. >> joe biden needs to make the decision as to who he thinks will be his best running mate.

i will do my utmost, drawing on my experiences, years in government, years of making the bureaucracy work. i have worked on multiple campaigns, presidential campaigns. i have been on the campaign trail as a surrogate. >> kennedy: all right, harris, what do you think of susan rice? she is now climbing the charts on the vp's list. >> harris: what gets you to climb the charts at susan rice? i'm curious about that. end of the hill is reporting that kamala harris and elizabeth warren are still top of the list, being talked about reportedly inside the biden campaign. but susan rice's stock is rising, it is said to be rising. what causes that to happen? >> david: call her! she's black, if she was white which should be in the conversation, harris? >> harris: now i'm thinking, is there a -- black, strong,

smart women. that's like a live-in cousins and just the city of dallas on my side of the family. i'm sincere with that. aren't we also looking for the person that you think will help joe biden win, leslie? i'm confused about what the goals are here. the hill is reporting, according to sources, i know they have a good relationship. but i would think after running twice before as president you might have a good relationship with a lot of people in your party. >> kennedy: yeah, but she also has her problems, harris. that's a great point. dagen, susan rice, her personal political history is not stainless. touch on that a little bit for me. >> dagen: you want to talk about benghazi? i mean, how much time we have? spew when she doesn't. >> dagen: right. how much time do you have left on that? do you want to bring anyone on or something like that would take over the entire conversation? you want someone who is able to go out and campaign in public and make public appearances and

raise a great deal of money. they get along factor is also important. i just wanted to mention also senator tammy duckworth is clearly out there trying to make a name for herself with the comment about president trump's mount rushmore speech, that he spent all his time talking about dead traitors. she threw that out there, and then i think her comment was that she's open to the conversation about at least getting rid of george washington statues among those. so with those kinds of flyers that go up, and charles koch at the national review called that comment about the dead traitors from senator duckworth a "flat out lied." that it's entirely untrue about that speech. one thing joe biden needs is somebody that folks like, because in the recent pew research survey, it found that 67%, more than two-thirds of biden voters, are primarily voting against president trump. that might not last.

those votes evaporate. they need a reason to stand up for this ticket. >> harris: more likely to vote for something. >> kennedy: they want someone they like. a lot of people feel like we've had some pretty tough choices to make in the past few presidential cycles, and terms of likability. leslie, i will ask you. joe biden doesn't have a lot of confidence in himself. he has said more emphatically than anyone who's ever run for president that his vp pick needs to be ready to be president on day one. that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of his own prowess. [laughter] and cognitive ability. what do you have to say about that, leslie? >> leslie: i think what he is talking about, his number two needs to be strong, especially because of his age. he most likely will serve one term. he has alluded to this. if i have to bet, i think that's what he'll do. i don't think susan rice is a good choice. if you are advising, as i've

done, with groups of politicians, you want them to avoid antagonizing the political opponent. susan rice is a very antagonistic individual, with regard, as he had said, dagen, to benghazi. there aren't just democrats that are going to vote for joe biden come november, as the polls are showing. some republicans were disillusioned with the president, the way the country's going, or with their party. you want to pick some buddy who not only perhaps will be the next president of the united states, but likability is important. also, the chemistry between him and that individual, the ability for them to work together. it does have to go beyond liking, and maybe looking at her, susan rice, secretary of defense, of state, would be better. i think kamala harris and val demings are stronger candidates. val demings because our law enforcement background, quite frankly, and kamala harris because of her experience not only as a senator but a former attorney general here in the state of california. >> kennedy: kamala harris come

also a cop. who has put people in prison unjustly for decades. appearance in jail over truancy. david webb, last word on this? >> david: where are the people that are not black in joe biden's world for a vp candidate? i'm just going to leave it there. >> leslie: elizabeth warren, david. >> david: she's not a woman of color come she's a fake indian. he said he's got a big black woman, so where are they? where are the men, where the people the democrats want to pick, based on qualifications and abilities? by the way, leslie, points on what they bring to the table. kennedy, points on what they bring to the table. all of you. what do they bring to the table? if the color was different, they wouldn't be in the conversation. >> leslie: elizabeth warren is white, david, last time i checked. >> david: she's not viable. >> kennedy: harris, i want you to respond to david's comment. >> harris: well, i'm not thrilled about the name calling,

but david can handle is on twitter. i would say this, there are a lot of people who are talented on both sides of the political aisle. as we go forward as a country, it would be really helpful if we vented on things that were not boxes that people contact based on gender and skin color and all those things. united as americans we should be looking for the very best person in the job. >> david: i love you, harris. >> harris: i love you, too. >> kennedy: less power concentrated in that office, so there's not as much risk if we get the wrong person in there. i don't know that joe biden is the right person, but, you know. enough about that. protesters are not letting up over the holiday weekend, toppling more statues of christopher columbus. should these historical monuments be removed, or would that do more harm than good? will discuss, next. ♪ ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) once-weekly ozempic® is helping many people with type 2 diabetes like emily

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>> harris: protesters targeting more studies of christopher clemens over july 4th weekend. in baltimore, protesters dragged a statute through the streets before dumping in the harbor. in waterbury, connecticut, police are investigating the apparent beheading of a columbus statue. protesters across america spending weeks tearing down or vandalizing monuments to historical figures with any ties to slavery or reese's policies. dagen, i come to you on this, we spend a lot of our focus now on what people are turning down made out of cement. what we've all been talking about of human lives we lost since george floyd and before that. have we gone astray here at any way? >> dagen: in a big way. if you want to have a conversation about confederate statues that were put up, particularly during the jim crow era in the south, kind of to perpetuate the myths of -- i

think "the wall street journal" editorial page wrote about this -- to advance white supremacy in the south in part don't like to perpetuate this myth about the lost cause. that is one thing. this is literally -- i am waiting for these protesters and these vandals and these criminals to attack all the animals on the carousel out in central park. the animal rights activists, tearing that thing apart, because that's where we're going. because there is nothing that is going to satiate the need for destruction. it's why, when president trump does talk about lawlessness, and not tolerating any kind of lawbreaking at all. that's what we were talking about come because it gives way to one thing after another after another. it's never just about the statues. >> harris: what i see, kennedy, is something that is a troubling trend. that's a fact of the lawmakers, even on capitol hill, can't come together on legislation to protect us and to knit together the problems that we have and

fix them among police department's and the citizenry in those pockets where they exist. to tackle race divisions and economic divisions. they can seem to agree on the statues that should or shouldn't be torn down. that's a conversation people are willing to have. is that a fair observation? >> kennedy: it is a fair observation. i think there are plenty of things that congress could do right now in order to improve the town. they don't want to. they are making every excuse not to show up and do their basic jobs. it also means they are not spending money, but on the other hand, when they let this distraction go forward. i've said the same thing about the mayors. as long as we are just watching videos of mindless mobs tearing these things down, we are not talking about actual solutions for things like homelessness. >> harris: it's so true. we have breaking news right now

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>> dagen: the popular manager of the cleveland indians says it's time to change the team's name, which goes back to 1905,

after team brass said friday they are thinking about it. the statement said they are committed to "making a positive impact in our community and embrace our responsibility to advance social justice and equality." also friday the nfl washington redskins said they are undertaking a thorough review of their name, which critics have long denounced as racist. coach ron rivera says he is optimistic a name change can happen before the season kicks off. david, i'm a lifelong redskins fan. can we get rid of the owner, too, if they're going to jettison the name? i have a suggestion for the name. the washington joe gibbses. he won only three super bowls for them under three different quarterbacks. he's also in the nascar hall of fame. doug williams. boom, the washington joe gibbs pointless. say i'm wrong. >> david: keep the name but give them a second name, the golden cicadas. they only show up once every 17

years. [laughter] we have got to stop this. teams are named after strong characters. they don't in the after week characters. whether it's indians, chief wahoo, they removed from the cat. the cleveland indian wine, the redskins, there always be something to upset somebody. next generation, next a kid, it'll be something else. it's not insulting, it is what it is. keep it. >> dagen: leslie, i have advocated as a fan for the redskins to get rid of the name for some years. just thinking the day would come when they would be the lone stand out and it would be even more ridiculous with snyder digging his heels and over it. >> leslie: dagen, i hate to disappoint you, but other than the political controversy, football wise, i hadn't really heard of the redskins. i've heard of a team called the new england patriots. you know i love you, girl.

anyway, federal express is a minority owner of the redskins. they paid over $205 million for naming rights. we see this happen a lot. i am a boston girl, boston garden has had corporate names. former candlestick park in san francisco has had corporate names. when you have segments of the community offended by name, like the redskins, or with the indians. by the way, my husband is a native american indian, people from india or indians. they are benefited by having some washington federal express players as opposed to the redskins, for example. or a name that is more pleasing to them. and would satisfy the masses. i think these name changes have been a long time coming. long before the death of mr. george floyd. >> dagen: kennedy, the washington express! [laughs] >> kennedy: i don't know, man. they should take the bullets back. i was always disappointed when

they became the wizards. come on! where does it end? i bet you have atlanta and the florida state seminoles looking at all of this, wondering if they are next. because you can actually keep pushing and pushing and pushing. i think the boston red sox to change their names, because they suck. >> david: how about chicago blackhawks? >> harris: i'm a kansas city chiefs fan. they have been having -- they've been having this conversation about the kansas city chiefs for a while now, and part of the argument has been, if it makes certain people uncomfortable, let's just wait until you get the super bowl. well, they have the super bowl now, so they can do what they want. dagen, you hit the nail on the head. it's about winning, it's about the game. call it whatever you want, you got to win. >> david: just play football. >> dagen: please win it, please go to the playoffs! will be back right after this. up at 2:00am again?

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>> kennedy: thanks so much to everyone on the virtual couch. david webb, dagen mcdowell, and leslie marshall. hope you had a beautiful weekend. she's back! she's better than ever! now, here's harris. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. awaiting the white house press briefing now. the nation's talking today about a horrific wave of violence and large american cities over the holiday weekend. you're watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. as soon as the press secretary steps up to the lectern, kayleigh mcenany, we will take you there live. the news. in chicago, at least 17 people killed, some 90 people shot in total in one city. the scene just as awful and growing in new york city, 11 people died. dozens more people wounded. nationwide, five children are among the dead today from over the weekend, including