expensive penthouses in manhattan are going digging in my the real estate market there is humbling because people just want to live in the suburbs, let us know your questions on fox business.com. you are nice and say nothing personal, we will share them. here is the five. >> hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with greg gutfeld, jesse watters, juan williams, and emily compagno. this is the five. new fallout after a blood a weekend of gun violence in american cities. georgia governor brian kemp calling in the national guard after 31 people were shot in atlanta and an 8-year-old girl was killed. new york city is seeing a spike in a crime, shootings up 130% last month compared to the same time last year. shocking video shows a father gun down crossing the street in broad daylight with his

6-year-old daughter as he holds her hand. mayor bill de blasio under pressure to act where "the new york post" telling him to do something to cover very similar to the 1990s when they experienced a crime wave. all of this happening in the backdrop of the defund the police movement, victims of gun violence are saying we need more cops to prevent violence. >> we can't take money from the police department. we need the police. you take the police from here and we wind up having less police officers in the street, it's not going to work. the crime is going to get worse. going after the police officers when they hurt someone that look like me, we need to go after the people that look like me that hurt people that look like me. >> dana: and don lemon causing controversy for lecturing actor terry crews.

>> the black lives matter movement was talking about police brutality. if you want to talk about gun violence in communities including black communities, then start that movement but that name but that's what black lives matter is about. >> dana: we will get to all of this. let me start with you. we have the worst violent crime wave in years, days after city officials this violent crime, if you think back to the 1990s and how bad it got then and how long it took to get things back to a safe place so that new york city could be that thriving safe city, what do you think should be done and what about the papers calling for

mayor de blasio to do those, those communities that are asking for more police, not fewer? >> i think they want better police. first of all, i think let's debunk this theory that somehow there is this crime wave going on out there, the reality is crime is down to the top 25 american cities, 5% violent crime is down 2%, but what you have is murder up about 16% if those 25 big american cities. even as we are talking about that, you should keep in mind that the murder rate that we are experiencing now in new york was the same that it was in 2020. what we see as an explosion in terms of gun violence and why is that? i think it's according to the experts, they pointed a lot of these gangsters, a lot of these

drug dealers, even a surge in terms of domestic violence cases and it's all really being accelerated by easy access to guns, gun violence. so to me, what we have here is a mixed situation and it comes in the aftermath of course of the george floyd case and i just really object to the suggestion that the police are doing their job. police aren't condemnin committe murders. this is black on black crime in poor neighborhoods done by hoodlums. and that's where i say every community wants better policing but it's not to be used to dilute. >> dana: you can't solve other problems either if you wanted

reform are better policing, if you were in the middle of a situation, what i'm looking at is pretty shocking statistics when it comes to increasing crime. >> that's exactly right. this requires a cohesion that a lot of these big cities are missing to include two really important elements which are enforcement and follow through. so what does it matter if we call for more cops or we bring in the national guard to augment local departments if they are not able to make any arrests or if they are, but there isn't a prosecution or if there is a prosecution but there aren't actual deterrent consequences or judicial discretion to withhold bail or to make an exception to a preclassified nonviolent crime if he or she feels with that situation right detainment or extended custody and all of that falls flat also if state and local leadership are engaging in messaging for violence and crime and also also for the rank and

file. the organized level that juan mentioned and also the local petty level and also stymied them that looked all that workable solution that depends on those interrelated factors that i just talked about. >> dana: stor sorry about that train. down in georgia where brian kemp the governor has just called in the national guard in the state of emergency, the democratic senator is calling for gun control not urging, in the streets. >> just to go back to what juan said, crime is flat, but homicides are out. homicide is a crime and i'm going to go on a limb and say that homicide is probably the worst crime there is, so let's

just get that straight. the other thing is anyone with a brain knows that in a violent neighborhood with a lot of drug trafficking, you need a strong police presence because what the police do as they pull people over and they take legal guns and narcotics out of the car. they also serve warrants and take dangerous guys off the streets and use in form under covers the stop drugs and illegal gun trafficking so when the police pulled back, crime surges. also doesn't help when there is a that squeezes drug profits and it falls out onto the bottom and prices dropped so people are fighting violently over a smaller piece of the pie. today have people fleeing cities because of the pandemic, fleeing cities because of a crime wave, and you're going to have what we saw in manhattan which was in the a gritty ungovernable city where no one wants to live in because it is a low quality of life. everybody knows blacks don't hate the police on the police

don't hate black people. yes, there are issues, but we can deal with them through mutual respect, and i don't think it's too late for the president to make a speech on the teleprompter. i employ all the sources of their federal government to help every single american life because every single american life is precious and safety is not a political issue. that could go a long way and i don't think it's too late for him to deliver a speech like that. >> i want to get to the issue of last night, don lemon had actor terry crews on and you ever have a situation where a guest is invited on or you've been a guest somewhere in the host won't let you talk?

i will stop talking and allow you to talk about what happened last night on cnn. >> an eloquent person trying to make a very important point, they keep talking about systemic racism without specifics than what they are trying to tell you is that you need to throw everything out and i am not exaggerating this. their leaders will tell you this that they want to get rid of capitalism, patriotism and replace it with identity politics, the belief behind that, he redeemable as a country but don lemon couldn't let terry make that point so what he did is he explained to terry crews, talked over him and through him

because he was terrified the viewers might actually hear the truth and didn't want a black man's voice and it's a comparison worth noting, terry crews has been around, played in the nfl, an artist, and activist, he's got five kids, he is just a media mouthpiece and when you take the contrast larger as this violence explodes across the country and by the way, no one is saying here that the cops are doing their jobs. saying politicians and leaders aren't letting them do their jobs. it's a very fine detail that you love to gloss over. bacteria crews, what does he care about? he cares about the suffering in his community, the real problems, black on black crime. what is he care about, products and people. trying to solve the bigger problems and makes you wonder if

people like don lemon and the media don't actually want to address the real problems because maybe they realize that there was real are caused by them, i.e. democrats and liberals who run the city, who put out these policies, who make the police stand back and prevent the police from doing their jobs and helping people in minority neighborhoods. it is the cities, democrat cities that we are seeing held unleashed and he doesn't want to have their viewers to see the truth and that's why he talked over terry crews. >> dana: i'll never talk over you, that's for sure. even though they won't be allowed to show up for class, stick around, we will be right back.

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>> things to covid, harvard is offering online classes to students but the same price of the old at 50 grand. does that matter? after all, a harvard education isn't for the education, it's for the name. harvard is the ultimate virtue signal for the elite selling authority. soever you go around the corners, you find these clowns always trying to act casual when they drop harvard into a conversation and seeing how overpriced and overvalued conversation leads to overbearing trips who were bow ties but still can't tie them. but this is where covid helps because online classes will make

college way better for parents, we will be easy to see how professors are indoctrinated are indoctrinating now. the parent can see what garbage is being ladled into their offsprings' goals right from their very laptop. will soon realize that it is vocational trading for an idiot. is exposed for what it is, a scam. two administrators who balloon costs from kindergarten to grad school. that is the education system doesn't make people smarter, it makes some people richer and others poor. in tuitions are at an all-time high but carry out intelligence is at an all-time low, so i say go online, the best part, no we weird college roommates in less counts mom and dad.

so dana, i have a theory that i think you will like. once we combine online courses with actual talented performers, means academia mimicked palatine which basically took the gym out of the gym and brought it online and then hired extremely charismatic talented performers to exercise, it becomes irrelevant. they apply that model to college and put it on youtube, who needs harvard? >> i totally agree, it has been changed, look at the place like purdue university. in the last seven years, have not raise tuition at all, their graduates do very well, connections to employers that help pay for tuition for lower income students in the education is superb. i remember when i was a kid, i

wanted guess jeans so badly on my mom and dad were like no, levi's will do just fine for you and i was sobe so upset. these were excellent genes and that's what people are going to start to find out that part of the thing of going to college is the experience, not just going to class them it's to meet people, hang out, get to go to parties and all that stuff, how in the world harvard could not have figured out how to lower the tuition price and the situation makes me think that they don't even want to. they try to get the ppp loans as well. so i think education is forever changed and i do hope that some new institutions are built into this. what about someone who had that great program to offer people money if they didn't go to college but what about something more structured and a new institution that people could look through and we should all just go for it.

>> dana brought up the point about people go to college because for the experience, i believe that i know you disagree that the college experience was completely overrated but i'm sure you feel differently. >> i don't know what you did in college, but i thought the college experience was pretty helpful. everybody knows the hardest part about harvard is getting into harvard. once you are into harvard, it is impossible to get below a b. what did they say, half of life is just showing out? same with harvard but now you don't have to show up so it's like the university of phoenix cambridge campus, so what you need to do somehow quantifies the harvard experience and then lop that cost off of the tuition and i don't see why people aren't burning up the trustee's phones right now with that very

idea because if you are harvard, you don't want to open because of litigation or because some of the professors are 65 and over and don't want to sit in the classroom with a bunch of young carriers so in that case, slap on the mass, crack the window and separate the desks 6 feet or do what everyone loves, hold classes outside. in the quad, on the football field, i'm sure gail is doing that. >> i think they are changing their name. it's going to be great for parents because they might be able to see exactly what is being taught, right? >> i'm not sure i'd understand, you get into some of these more theoretical classes, i didn't understand a word, but to your point, here is where i come down. i've got to tell you, harvard is

a private institution. you get into harvard and you don't want to go, don't enroll, don't pay the price, you can make that call. i just don't think many people are going to make that call in a very practical level. most people understand it is not just about the credential which is very impressive, harvard education but it's about associating with other very smart people who are going somewhere in life, a very select group of people and even if they aren't able to come together initially because of the covid virus situation, that doesn't mean they are not going to get back together come 2021 and beyond. the thing that eye of course i'm reacting to them today is the president saying everybody's got to have schools open in the fall and of course, not only the professors, it's the teachers at the elementary and high schools who say they worry for

themselves, parents who worry about what happens if you find it hard to have social distancing on a school bus my real issues that we have to deal with and instead of making it political, i think we should really talk about how can we get schools to work this fall? >> i don't think anybody made it political, that's actually making a statement, politicizing is saying you didn't think about the health problems. everybody knows the health problem. i think parents will be relieved that their kids are going back to school. i was a parent, i'd want them out of the house. emily, last word to you. >> you don't want to get sick. >> i never thought of that, thank you. >> this doesn't surprise me at all. remember when the university of california hiked tuition and it became known that 85% was because of pensions? that is an association with the exclusivity but also just bad

math. harvard has the largest endowment in the country, was almost 41 billion and yet they pay out 70% of their student body from financial aid in some way, so it makes all the sense to me that they wouldn't lower costs even if there is no operating overhead anymore of course because they have to pay all the bills. the professorships, all of their extended obligations, those are not going anywhere. it's just bad math. >> excellent point, all right. coming up, taking a page out of hillary's playbook. will it cost him? we will find out next ♪ it's velveeta shells & cheese versus the other guys. ♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier.

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>> team biden overconfident? boasting that president trump is thinking, claiming that trump's attacks are backfiring and hurting both his reelection chances as well as other republican candidates running in down ballot races. biden also asking anti-trump celebrities to boost him on social media because those endorsements were so helpful to hillary in 2016. seems like the exact same thing is happening that happened in 2016, they believe the polls, they don't think they need to visit swing states, expecting this high black turnout, union votes in the rust belt celebrity endorsements. remember what happened in 2016 though. >> i remember, but maybe they don't. other than worlds colliding with the celebrity messaging and endorsements as you pointed out, it doesn't move the needle at all and frankly in covid times,

it leaves people with a bad taste in their mouths. everyone was so turned off by celebrities posting photos of themselves poolside in these 10,000 square-foot homes and just remember that campaign memos are messaging documents, it's what they want the media to repeat which we are doing here, but i will say given the polls lately that the biden campaign has cited, it does make sense to now come out with this given they have some positive data to cite in their eyes. >> do you think that biden looks week by relying on celebrities and by relying on big attack on the media, relying on james clyburn from everybody except himself to win this election? >> i don't know, if they believe the number, then he feels like he is in a pretty good position. what i hear from democrats as they are so worried about being overconfident that they are

vacillating and making seriously crazy course corrections when this race starts to tie in which they absolutely will. got them to sing fight song and meanwhile the campaign manager in wisconsin was using blocks of cheese to spell out sos and the cornfields begging them to come and help her because she said it was not locked up, so i think the biden team knows they feel like if the election were held today they'd be in great shape but it is not being held today and there's a lot that could happen between now and then including the economy coming back but also, the more you see violence i in the cities across america, it will make people do another take about what they think he would do about it and to your point, hasn't said much. he's been pretty quiet about that, as we will have to wait and see if he decides to come out.

>> how long can he hide their? >> it seems to be working. i have to say, he should be overconfident. the numbers look good, but i agree with everything dana said. there is a lot of time between now and november, and things will tighten up when you think about the economy and crime and law and order, that only helps trump because all of those things play into his ideas. but i think what bugs me is people keep talking about -- i said this and i believe i'm wrong on it is we keep talking about the silent majority. the silent majority will come out and vote and i think waiting patiently for the silent majority is a big mistake because while we wait for the silent majority, all of culture, all progress and basic humanities going out the window.

while we are having all this chaos and violence, the country is really quiet, and i'm wondering if waiting for the silent majority is like flashing a bat signal when there is no batman. it's like what if they don't show up? everybody is at home watching netflix, you know? we had some real honest to god problems right now, and there's an entire swath of this country that is not saying anything about it perhaps because they are scared of being canceled and maybe that's why there's a silent majority, but i'm a little worried because i agree with dana, if the election was held today, i think biden would win. >> can't wait around, got to seize it and it's going to be about turnout. i think you would agree going to be a very close election. >> i can't say that based on the current numbers, but i think overconfidence is not the problem for biden. i have never known a politician

who ran for office who wasn't confident that he or she was going to win. the problem is complacency and democrats have to keep in mind that president trump is the incumbent and incumbent's have the advantage so to me, the problem for president trump is how he's been using that incumbency, clearly the failures in handling coronavirus, the failure to pick up on the whole cultural shift around racial justice in the country, these things have not helped president trump and you see it in the gallup numbers had 39% approval ratings, 33% among independents, that is a huge problem for him and if you go directly against biden, 8.7% plus for biden in the real clear politics average and in the swing states again, all biden. so right now, you guys like to talk about democrats in disarray but i see bernie behind,

elizabeth warren, all of these people are supporting joe biden, a bat signal that is being answered by joe biden at this very moment. >> no, robin is doing all the work, batman doesn't know what's going on. coming up, what secrets will epstein's confidant reveal? stay tuned for that and more.

>> the fallout continues, prison officials making sure she stays safe in jail before her bail hearing next week on child sex abuse charges and a friend close to maxwell now claiming

she has access to potentially compromising videotape of powerful people. these tapes were made by epstein. he reportedly includes footage of prince andrew that maxwell may be willing to share with the authorities. let me begin with you, you've dealt with a lot of prison situations as a lawyer, do you think we can be confident that she will be safe and not end up suffering the same and that jeffrey epstein did? >> according to the bop which has her in custody, then we are to maintain our full faith and confidence in them but i will say i don't trust anybody, least of which anyone who has an inmate in custody. i want to point out a couple of things i think are important that is not just about prince andrew, potentially if she has as has been reported copies of "everything epstein had and he had thousands of photographs including minors and cds that were absolutely and

specifically labeled down to the tea and had copies of every single houseguest he ever had, their proclivities, recreational drug use but it's important for us to maintain pressure so this is preserved in some way, that this sex trafficking operation involving minors is so much larger than just prince andrew or ghislaine maxwell at this point and a final quick point, the deutsche bank fine, river the $2 billion fine for cartels, drug money laundering for looking the other way, this is one of those things that deserves our attention and advocacy. these are slapped on the wrist and is the money that enables these people to maintain their power and to maintain these trafficking operations. >> do you think that she will spill the beans and come clean? >> who knows? two points. about the sex tapes, the source

is journalist ex-friend. the two descriptions that basically scream not to be trusted. the bigger angle here is that she better not meet the same fate as epstein did and that is easy if you keep the clintons away from that brooklyn prison. and if one of her prison guards shows up wearing a pantsuit coming of to call the u.s. marshals. [laughter] >> the u.s. justice department has wanted to talk to prince andrew is now having ghislaine maxwell in custody. is not going to put more pressure on him? i am very much looking forward to friday when we probably see her in court because it's been such a mystery and we need to be able to read somebody's body language to see what she is thinking or maybe she will say something more on that day. i also think it's interesting that this is being handled by

the public corruption unit and doj which means there has to be some sort of public corruption nexus which means we don't know what that is yet, but hopefully we will find out soon. >> emily mention $150,000 fine from new york state on deutsche bank and i'm wondering about the ramifications from institutions that protected epstein on the sex trafficking. you see what's coming there? >> no, i don't. i think they're pretty well insulated because they took a lot of his money and they can say i don't know anything about it but rarely do people get second chances in life. i have gotten three or four but usually you don't get your second chance in the bureau of prisons has the second chance to protect ghislaine maxwell. we can't let anything happen to this woman, the most important person in federal custody in 2020. the fbi gets a second chance, they have a lot of evidence at palm beach that they were ready

with but for the department of justice, lawyers got that sweetheart deal with all the high-priced fraternities, they need to dust that evidence often re-examine that and again, the southern district of new york prosecutors have a second chance here, they have another shot at this hen they can rebrand themselves because this is a highly politicized office, they need to follow leads if it goes to democrats, republicans. they need to really blow the lid off this thing and make sure there is the justice for the victims. that story is next for you on the five.

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quarantine myself for 18 days. i now i'll i am out celebrating. i hope all of you get covid. >> of course, covid cory is apologizing. >> i would never maliciously go out there and infect people, i apologize these videos were never supposed to be leaked. >> so he first blasted his trolls and said i hope they all get covid, is this heat now just desserts for that? >> of all the nicknames that have been bandied about the last four years, i think covid cory might be the best or the worst depending on how you look at it. and i don't know, i have been to fire island, it's a lot of fun, his last party for a long time but i am not going to covid shame, didn't participate when

greg went after chris cuomo, he did that for me and plus, he is bigger than me, i don't like to do that. i didn't covid shame and the university of alabama players were contracting covid to get an edge to the season, i respected the hustle there. i didn't like having to lecture the spring breakers and i never thought it was a good look when cnn was mask shaming and they were encouraging massless protests. mask shaming is beneath me if you can imagine something beneath me. i will be shaming other things, don't worry. >> what say you about covid co cory? >> there are three things i want to say. i would love to buy a dvd that

has a collection of all the before and after viral videos. the one person that saying in the next one, i was very immature at that age and i'm very sorry about what i said. if i could take everything back, i want to. i would buy that dvd because that before and after makes the story worth it, just to see that. social media is wonderful. >> you've got to play that on "the greg gutfeld show." so the problem is, here there is fatal consequences potentially to irresponsibility, what are your thoughts? his great grandparents of the silent generation were asked to be really hard things like drink at home or drink in smaller groups and try to do smart things. and has terrible judgment and paying a little bit of price for it but probably not much, things get forgiven pretty quickly

around here, hopefully a better friend to people in the future. i think your idea should be a show like talk soup used to be, could have us commentate on them, that would be great. >> exactly. >> one, take us home. >> it's clearly irresponsible behavior. he is a narcissist because he's putting everybody else literally putting life and health in danger. i will say i think that jesse was so honest here because a lot of outbreaks we have seen, the surgeon the numbers is commonplace especially down south, florida, you look at texas, you look across at arizona, so to me, you don't know what will come from the actions if new york will then see a spike, haven't seen it yet, this is just a necessary and i think he is worthy of derision.

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