agenda, the mob and the media how corrupt they are. the damage democrats have done to the country entrance promiseb and successes. amazon.com. let not your heart be troubled, laura ingraham, take it away. >> laura: hey, hannity, fantastic show, right? >> sean: thank you. >> laura: i keep checking the mail, and i don't get any new version, old version, proof copy of your book. you promised it weeks ago and i got nothing. >> sean: other people don't have a copy of the book yet. we have a whole chapter on thego coronavirus about, laura, the fastest medical response in history. >> laura: okay, you are updating. >> sean: no, i'm done. now, it is at the printer. listen, i will make you another deal. i will give you one of the first interviews. how is that? it's all yours. >> laura: where are you going to go, talk to "the view" or "the today show," you better be

coming on my show, done deal. awesome show, sean, see you tomorrow night. >> sean: thank you. >> laura: i am laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. what an amazing show. covid myth debunked to bring us the real truth about herd immunity. plus, as nike is demanding the washington redskins change their name, they should change the. record. double rights standard when it comes to china. and dinesh d'souza, how cnn is lying about the black lives matter movement, and we will show you a video of blm activists storming a church, okay? you will not see it anywhere else. but first, sacrificing the kidsf to beat the trump. that is the focus of tonight's "angle."

in early april, i began to warn about the damage extended lockdowns would have on america and since then, we've experienced millions of job losses, added trillions to our death, andos experienced terribe riots. but one of the first things that have happened, the worst things that have happened, how much learning was lost by our kids being locked out of our classrooms.f so with the trump recovery fully underway, democrats are shifting back to their default position. shut the economy down. yes, that's where they are right now. that includes of course our schools. they cite the rising covid infection rates in certain states to sell their latest panic porn. >> the united states in free fall because of the coronavirus.av a top infectious disease doctor warning today and right now asow we speak the number of daily cases is doubled what it was a

month ago. take that and double what it was a month ago. >> laura: what about the mortality rate? well, when people say follow the science, take it with a grain of salt. science by its very nature is always evolving, as our understanding of the world around us improves. despite this, it's never difficult to find an expert who will try to scare you into giving up your freedom. >> in some of the states for the number of cases are in the thousands per day, it's absolutely impossible to do contact phrasing and isolation quarantine at those numbers. in those areas, you'll have to be moving back to everyone shelter in place if you really want to get this under control. >> laura: did you hear it? going back to shelter in place. this is where the democrats are going to be heading and that president trump is going to say it, and danger in america by insisting we stay open.

in that case, we must close down for the national good. this is a scorched earth approach to this virus and one we already know it doesn't really work. most states did issue stay at home orders with only essential businesses open. guess what we discovered? the virus is still out there when people start moving about again. yes, people get sick. some willl tragically died, especially those who are vulnerable. people who are elderly struggled with diabetes, autoimmune diseases, may be cancer, or a high bmi. they are all vulnerable. the overwhelming majority of will tolerate this virus, they won't even get sick or sometimes evenil test positive when they are exposed. as for kids under the age of 18? where are they? they have a 0% chance of becoming seriously ill or dying from this virus. unless they are in one of these special categories.

paying no attention to actual facts. liberal school superintendent and blue state governors are ofa course opting towards keeping the schools closed as long as possible. >> i will not reopen or school system august 24th if the conditions are what they are today. our reopening plan is in face oi reality. we are still in phase one, a great one that has degraded since -- over the past few wee weeks. >> laura: talk about what is reckless, opening his reckless? stealing face-to-face education? that's reckless.is in miami-dade, about 60% of parents preferred the in school model. 30% say it's okay to go virtual. siding with parents we see the enormous long-term damage many children face without regular in amschool instruction,

president trump sided with worried mothers and fathers today. >> we want to reopen the schools. everybody wants it. the moms want it, the dads want it, the kids want it. it's time to do it but we don't want people to do it for political reasons but they think it's going to be good for themca politically so they keep the schools closed. >> laura: rather than addressing the brain drain that occurred last summer were liberal governor ralph northam is addressing real issues. in a governor toat the state yesterday can he said some names and mascots have "a traumatizing impact on students, families, teachers, and staff." traumatizing impact? how about not going to school for a traumatizing impact, ralph? mt gestures from a guy trying to recover from that infamous costume party photo. in virginia's liberal

fairfax county, left-wing officials just announced that parents would have two options in the fall. widen,e, they could go two numbr 2, four days a week of virtual instruction. two days in school or four days virtual. by the way, there is zero ability to switch once you've made the choice by next week's deadline. what are parents who work outside the home, what are they supposed to do? >> people always had networks informally and now more than ever we need our community to wraparound families so i hope we can have our communities of faith and nonprofits find ways to help support these families in greater amounts than we'vent ever done before. >> laura: that is scott bray brand, a real piece of work. let's get this straight. it's too dangerous for kids to congregate in class and learn

and interact with each other, but it's okay for them to congregate in church basements? what? as usual if you're looking for culprits in the school regarding their lame buys curriculum or waffling on the case of reopening, the road always leads back to the democrats' most fiercest, loyal donors, the teachers union. tina williams, head of the fairfax county federation of teachers, we all want kids back quicklyhe in school as possible, but that also means safely as possible. if that was the case, you wouldn't send them back to school what even anthony fauci calls a terrible flu season for 2019 and 2020. then there is kimberly adams, president of the fairfax education association. she says, a vaccination or a widely available treatment for covid-19 is necessary before a full return to in person instruction. hey, news flash! again, anthony fauci has to

faadmit, we might not ever havea vaccine. so should kids be kept out of school forever? this is ludicrous! tonight, the vice president called the unions out. >> when we hear some learned about teachers unions beginning already toe say they are not going toto be willing to come bk and some jurisdiction around the country, look, we all ought to be working together on this. >> laura: fat chance. in new york or infections and hospitalizations are declining, governor andrew cuomo still has parents and students in total limbo. >> we have some time. this is a very fluid situation. when we get the data, we will make a decision. in thel meantime, i'm telling al school districts to come up with the reopening plan. but we don't yet know if we are going ton. reopen. >> laura: this is unbelievable. this is like child abuse at some point. from a medical andke common san

standpoint, the decision to put kids back in school should be a slam-dunk yes. since joe biden is bought and paid for by the teachers union, he's going to rubber-stamp whatever they decide. a campaign official tells fox news, we need to ensure we canpa do it safely in line with the recommendations of public health experts. translation, the unions want more money. >> we need the money for ppe. we need the money for extra teachers. we need the money for extra cleaning and extra buses. but my members really want to be with their kids. they just want to be safe for both kids and for themselves. >> laura: does anyone buy anything that woman says? is that all the taxpayers will be funding, by the way, disinfectants and cleaning crews? what if w we spend all that mony and the teachers union insists

on waiting for a vaccine? the schools could be shut down for years. that brings us back to the big question: are these schools going to reopen at all in many communities across the country? at least for now in donald trump we have a president who's putting parents and their children first. that could change in november. a vote for biden puts teachers unions firstte and is a vote for more shutdowns, government edicts, and control.on and that's the "angle." we are joined now by a parent in the middle of this mess, amber's children attends fairfax county publicd schools. amber, do you get the sense that counties like fairfax really have the best interests of your children in mind? >> i feel very frustrated with the schools and how fairfax county has handled it. really, i'm just saddened that it doesn't seem like there is a push to get kids back in school

because there is constantly these changes sends down by the governor where we have to, you know, abide by some new rule and they are going to have to change their whole game plan again. it just seems like are we even going to open? how long until our kids are able to learn? >> laura: amber, when i put it out to some friends that i was going to be doing this topic tonight and i got a lot of responses in, and a couple of them are moms of a bunch of kids in different schools, middle school, high school. they said that when fairfax county was having this big online virtual meeting about this, they didn't tell the parents that it was limited to only 250 people at al time. so basically, thousands of parents, it's a huge school system, thousands of parents were blocked out of participating in this process, leaving one mom to say it, this thing was baked in. we had no availability to give real meaningful input in real time. is that an accurate description

of what happened? >> i was not on the call but i did sign up from a neighbor and it seemed like there were a lot of people who didn't get in. >> laura: i want to read this, or play this for you. this is what the school board chairman said about what kids are going to have to do if they are back in school. watch. >> put a mask on your child and ask them to wear the masks during the day for about six hours and 45 minutes. that could help you figure out whether it'll be comfortable because they will be asked to t wear a mask, they are going to be further apart from their friends for the nice thing is they'll be in person able to talk, but they'll be talking through a mask. >> laura: i have two boys, 12av and ten, i can't get them to put their winter hat on when it's 0 degrees out here. buteg we are going to have play time with the masks for six hours a day?

amber, as a mom who wants the best for your kids, help them learn, keep them safe, is that realistic? >> i mean, my kids can't even keep it on for 5 minutes. we are dodging in and out of things if we have to wear it. honestly it makes me so upset. i feel like children are frustrating because of all these crazy policies. >> laura: you have this , decided to homeschool your kids just as other moms and fathers have said they are doint because this is t unworkable in your view, correct? >> i mean, i'm just not comfortable with my kids not being able to play with other children and touch them and have someone refereeing them all the time, so i just decided we are going to do a homeschool co-op.w they can be with other kids. they can figure out -- we can take responsibility for ourselves. if my kid is sick, i'm not going to send them. it doesn't have to be some government mandatedem craziness. >> laura: well, i wish you

could try to sue those who system and get your tax money back since they won't allow your kids to get the real education they deserve. i think the school system is going to have a lot of lawsuits on its hands but thank you for the perspective tonight. we'll check back on you as it gets closer to the beginning of the school year. and former fda commissioner scott gottlieb has become a go to expert on covid. in addition to a think tank gig, he also has a spot on the board of pfizer, the company arehe racing to develop a covert vaccine. shouldn't that be disclosed? when he says things about reopening schools like this? >> it'll be very hard for states who have epidemic's right now to reopen their schools in the fall and tragically pure people will settings kids to schools. you'll not want to send them into a risk. >> laura: the most disgraceful lie yet from gottlieb. joining me now is the president

for the committee to unleash prosperity. given other countries' experiences, see what france is doing, germany. sweden never took the younger kids out of school, how uninformed purposefully because he's not a dumb person, he's a smart guy, was that statement? >> he knows it's not true between knows sending your children does not place them in risk, he was one of the earliest proponents for school closures and when he was demanding the them, he said we need them to prevent community transmission, the idea that children although they are not at any risk themselves, would pass around the infection and givemi it to others and those people would be in danger. we have a lot of data that that doesn't happen very much. children are very poor transmitters as well, but we have always known that children themselves are at vanishingly small risk to this disease, much lower risk of hospitalization and death and then even seasonalflu. if you think the rest to your children is too great to covid, logically you can never send them to school never again

because the flu risk is greater than the covid risk. >> laura: a middle school parent message me and said, it's almost like they want, meaning the democrats, want there to be so much internal chaos in the country both at home and in businesses with rolling shutdowns that this is what they are going to demand the matter what the data is. this is a purposeful attempt, they are smart they know what the truth is about this. >> the weird thing is these are the people who are always telling us to listen to the cdc, the cdc is wonderful, the cdc and experts are the authority. the head of the cdc said today that the greatest risk to our s society is schools being closed. unambiguous that the risk at vanishingly small the children. he used the term, little to no pathogenicity for children which is to say it doesn't cause cause disease among children. i actually had a moment to speak to. him, do we need to have all these containment measures and

schools for something that hurts children's less than the flu does, and he said that the cdc never recommended any school closures, so that's pretty interesting, isn't it? >> laura: they want all the money per the humans are, we need money for cleaning crews, acrylic dividers, that is, that. i don't buy that for a second. here are what concerns others, including cnn's wolf blitzer in opening schools.>> >> they could be totally asymptomatic positive for coronavirus, they could not feel a thing but they could pass it onto their moms or dads or grandparents, other family members, and he won. you have got to be really, really careful. >> laura: in other words, they are disease vectors, right? why is that wrong? >> very unlikely. almost all the household studies show the opposite, children are always infected by their parents and not the other way around. in fact in sweden where the schools never closed, they have

the lowest pediatric infection rate in the world, may be there children aree not home as much s the countries were the schools up and close and they are in lock down, that's a very poorly supported statement. the flu is submitted that way, covid looks like it is not. >> laura: h1n1 for my kids to get that but we had a horrible regular flue, season that fauci stops talking in january. they did and shut down most of the schools here because of that, a few here and there. this is a toxic mix of purposeful disinformation and ignorance. i guess both together. phil, you are great. thank you very much for coming on tonight. coming up, we expose how china is turning america's most iconic sports leagues and apparel makers against their own country? plus our interview with secretary mike pompeo last night started a national conversation over the chinese app tiktok. what exactly is it? we will show you.

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all sorts of minorities, including the muslim leader uig. why is that? that'sis easy. nike made over $6 billion from china a lot more than they make from redskins gear. nike is so deeply matched in china, ceo mark parker said on a september 2019 earnings call that nike is a brand of china, for china. quite the sentiment displayed by a company founded and propelled to prominence in the good old u.s. of a. but it isn't just a sports apparel companies, it's the leagues they serve. last fall, houston rockets general manager was castigated by the league, coaches, and players after he spoke unfavorably of s democratic protests in hong kong. but don't worry. speaking with "time" magazine last week, nba commissioner

adam silver assured fans the relationship with china has greatly improved.ve >> we've continued to dialogue with the chinese, with our business partners there and in certain cases government officials.ta we are just going to keep at it to understand also they have a different form of government and the different view of how things have been done, how things should bee done. and hopefully we can find a mutual respect for each other. >> laura: just let that sink in for a moment. "find a mutual respect" with a country whose communist party literally has, what, hundreds of thousands of men in choke chains around the neck? i'm talking about what they do in these muslim reeducation camps.on those atrocious comments moreom intimate in a vacuum, they were constantly made on the same day china carried out its brutal takeover of hong kong. so next time your favorite

league or wokest brand pops off about trump, to demand obedience to blm, think about the atrocities they willfully ignore in favor of the almighty dollar. joining me now is clay travis, fox sports radio host and founder of out to kick. how did we get to the point where some of these iconic, storied sports brands and leagues consider chinese interests ahead of american interests? >> because we've allowed the nba to be run in the despicable way, laura, and i'm glad you are drawing attention to this. we've been writing about it at outkick.com and many in the sports media have been ignoring it. nba mentioned that they will allow players to make social adjustment statements instead of their names on the back of their jerseys.

they aren't going to allow anybody to say "free hong kong" if that happened they would actually have to acknowledge that they are doing the bidding of the chinese government. in tearing down american institutions, sports leagues are working in favor of china, they are producing propaganda that their totalitarian government uses against us even while they have concentration camps. it drives me crazy that all of these athletes, the lebron jameses, the coaches, they all run around ripping trump and ripping the united states when really if they wanted to stand up to anybody they should stand up to nike and say, hey, why don't you make your own she was in this country you're asking people to pay $200 to put on their kids 'speed why don't you allow us to actually criticize in a good way, in a legitimate way, what is a new cold war between america and china? sports league all too often, particularly the nba but also

target when it comes to the redskins, they are paring down american institutions and values in favor of china's authoritarian government. if despicable, disgraceful, it needs to be called out. >> laura: and a lot of american companies do this but at the same time they aren't lecturing every body else about their morals.ls as a reminder, here's how lebron james responded to the hong kong tweet last fall. >> we all have freedom of speech, but at times there are ramifications for the negative things that will happen when you are not thinking about others and when you only think about yourself. so many people have been harmed not only financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually. just be careful what we tweet and say, what we do. >> laura: on the fourth of july, lebron retweeted from colin kaepernick, "black people have been brutalized, dehumanized, terrorized by america for centuries. while you enslaved our

ancestors, we reject your celebration of wright's supremacy and look forward to liberation for all." the hypocrisy here is astoundi astounding. >> you've got to stand up to it, laura. i read "new york times," they want to tear down the jefferson memorial for part and parcel of american institutions. real american sports fans have to say no, they have to hold china accountable, and the league and players as well. >> laura: glad to see you and congrats on outkick, really cool. this show started off about a smartphone app, tiktok, after mike pompeo said the administration is considering a ban of the after what exactly is tiktok. here is a list of videos that the app highlights on a trump page. >> [phone ringing]

>> ♪ >> laura: seems kind of harmless, kind of fun. until you realize that despite the silliness, despite theirea shiny new american ceo, intelligence officials are warning that your information can be controlled and accessed by chinese government officials. joining me now is charlie kirk, founder of turning point usa who has been looking into this. what particularly worries you about tiktok, lots of teenage girls around tiktok and the guys and boys and college kids.nd what do you tell members lookin to use it? >> first all, i want toan thank you, laura, for bringing attention to this issue. this is not an insignificant and it's an app where people sendni the funny videos of lip-synching to their favoritehe artists. this is something that is direct from what many intelligence officials telling us from the chinese communist party. this has been downloaded over

100 sku 5 million times.ve let me repeat that. 165 million times by americans. this is used more so by any other app, by teenagers and o young people in this country. this is an infiltration into the smartphones of americas' youth, and mike pompeo saide. it best. i wouldn't use tiktok and was i wanted to send all my personal information to the chinese calmness party if your teenager has tick-tock on their phone, they very well may have sent personal information, but your familiesio information, where you are going on vacation, what you are talking about. tiktok in a lot of different t ways as a brilliant chinese global strategy, how can we get the westerners to use our technology so we can learn about them to eventually be able to impose our values. that's the secondr part. besides the data harvesting side of it, they are also banning pro trump content, they band live action like the rose content to try to push a social justice left-wing agenda.

>> laura: this is from forbes just a few days ago, charlie, if tiktok is active on your phone while you work, the applicant basically read anything and everything you copy on another device. passwords, work documents, sensitive emails, financial sin sensitive information, that's when apple secretly caught tiktok spying on millions of iphone users. the american ceo of tiktok here in the u.s. said, that's not happening. i wouldn't allow it to happening and tried to reassure when it was brought up toe them. >> very quickly, laura, does anyone trust the chinese communist party after huawei, after anything that's happened because of the virus question my parents need to tell teenagers to delete this app and the federal government should do a complete ban ofld tick-tock tiktok of this, like india did.

>> laura: i have anotherhe question, who has time to do all these videos? these are elaborate videos. i have no time! >> laura, they have time because they aren't in school. >> laura: if that were the only problem. i think people have a lot of time on their hands even though without school in session. despite many attempts to the contrary, why does one doctor things covid herd immunity could be right around the corner? he is going to tell us next. guys, it's that time... and nothin's happenin'.

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♪ >> the virus still has a long way to go before we have any kind of herd immunity here. >> we have very little immunity still across the country. it would mean whelm over a million american deaths. >> laura: an op-ed in "the wall street journal" noting that antibody test may underestimate the number of people already infected withig covid-19. some early hot spots like new york city and northern p ity already have a degree of herd immunity.. the same may be true of other places soon. there with the reaction is dr. scott atlas, former chief of neuroradiology at stanford. and dr. atlas, it's great to see you back there why it is there so much resistance?is even the president himself has

pooh-poohed this idea of the herd? >> confusion, like many things with this covid-19 in the beginning which many people assume you can only have immunity with antibodies in which the antibody testing has ranged from say 4% in parts of the u.s. to all the way up to 21% in new york city. but what is not being said and now it's coming b out more is tt there are other ways to be immune. first of all, the antibody tests are not completely sensitive, but studies saying about a third of patients had antibodies that once detected. but more h importantly, there is something called t-cell immunity. this is very important, just comingng out from sweden, it estimates that about two times the number of people with antibody immunity have t cell immunity. for instance, in new york city, a hotbed for the world, we see thatd there are 21% of people testing positive for antibodies and there are another 40% of

people with t cell immunity. that is about the number of 60% that people talked about for conferring herd immunity. it's interesting if you look ato the cases that are arising in parts of the u.s. most of which actually correlate to the protest marches than anys reopening. but you have to wonder why in new york then are there no real rises in cases? and i believe and there is a good chance it's due to the fact that they are not going to have it because ultimately, ironically, it will become the safest because it may already have herd immunity. >> laura: with t cell immunity, another member of our medical cabinet has basicallyme said that the u.s. government should be testing for t cell immunity, and it's not as complicated as the carroll institute indicated that they said it could be done with quanta fear of am i getting at that right? it would not be as

complicated, but it's critical for reopening and confidence. >> i think confidence, that's true, but i think there is more value in knowing and stating the facts varies distinctly. the risks of this have been overblown but we know the fatality rate is 0.04% for people under 70 number which is less than or equal to the seasonal flu for people under 70 years old. i saw your earlier segment, virtually zero for schoolchildren. when you give the facts and state them systemically, i think the public understands the logic. i really hate to tie opening to some sort of testing. i think that would be a big mistake. there is no reasoning for that. >> laura: the facts are as the facts are. it's hard tha when you have exps with big degrees who won't state the facts or who are denying the facts, that's what's very difficult about it and they say listen to the of science.

you stated the science. over the past few weeks we heard a lot about the newest wave of covid cases sweeping states like arizona, florida, texas, and the liberal media want to the panicked or are actuallync encouraging trends in this new way, dr. mark blum, joining me now. what are you seeing in this wave of cases giving you hope compared to the initial wave? >> we are seeing the disease spread very rapidly through the community. but the good news is within the hospitals where we have seen a w ton of patients, they tend to be a little bit less sick than they were. they tend to be younger. the treatments we have in place are making a significant impact. so mortality is down, length of stay is down from the utilization is down for thank goodness but without that we have a very hard time managing the patients we have in house right now. we've gone up from about 100 patients on memorial day to 700 just six weeks later which is

quite a stress on the system for sure. >> laura: do you expect those numbers to stay down? dodo you expect them to rise in coming 14-21-day period? >> that's a great question. we are watching the very carefully. a concern as we had a big shift toward younger people and that's part of the explanation for it butop as enough younger people t sick in the community we worry that some vulnerable older people get sick and we may see older people and therefore the mortality take-up. other issues, mortality is a lagging indicator. we most people who die don't die instantly, they die after a very significant fight and a long period of time in the hospital. this big surge that started in the first ten days or so in june, we still have people who were quite ill and we don't know the outcome yet. it'll probably go up and we'll see more deaths over the next three weeks.. given the curve we are seeing.

>> laura: excuse me. one of the things we are also seeing is close, continuous personal contact, people inside, and a lot of essential workers. maybe they have large families or a number of families living in a couple of apartments or adjoining. you have that a lot in seasonal workers, we are seeing that issue. what can be done there given whatrk we know about vulnerabilities, hypertension, diabetes, et cetera. >> there is no question we see some of the key vulnerability that we stated. in a younger group, obesity and diabetes have been the two big risk factors we are seeing. closee proximity from a significant period of time seems to be a big risk factor pick one of the trends we've seen is a lot of the people infected at houston, we are hearing stories of family gatherings, social gatherings, other gatherings like that where people let their guard down. parts from across the city come together for a birthday party. nobody thinks about the fact they've been in different orbits

around the city, they come in, they don't wear masks, they are sharing and many in the family are getting sick. so really key that people exercise social distancing, where their masks, be very helpful in the matter where it is including the family. >> laura: i've got to avoid the chips and dip. i might've violated that over the weekend, i've got to say! thanks so muchla to that. and coming up, doctors -- don lemon, i'm giving him a doctorate right now! don lemons condescending lecture and the shocking video of blm the desecrating a church? dinesh d'souza coming up next. you doing okay?

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don lemon the gaping black hole in black life >> when you look at the city of chicago, there are nine children who died by gun violence, by black on black gun violence from june 20th all the way to today. the black lives matter movement haveh said nothing -- >> what does that have to do with quality commentary? the black lives matter started because they arey. talking about police brutality. if you want an all black lives matter that ends gun violence in communities including black communities, and start that movement. >> laura: not only what he. said is totally condescending and dismissive, it's also not true. according to their sight, the group's goals include buildingac spaces free from sexism, dismantling patriarchal practices, and environmental and economic injustice, and getting rid of had a normal thinking.. down the heteronormative thinking. notice none of that has to do brutality.

joining us now is the nasty scioscia, author of "united states of socialism." i want tote play you this. watch. >> [bleep]! >> every time i [bleep] sit he here -- >> i'm calling cps on you! speak on the justice! >> no peace! >> no justice! >> no peace! laura: that was a scene at first baptist church. why are blm activists harassing churchgoers? >> is a very clear that they are escalating their tactics and i think they are as calling them in response to the passivity of the other side. our side, if you well. they've gone from attacking monuments which of course are things, lifeless if you will hear they are now attacking

people in the ordinary conduct of our lives but these are people exercising basic constitutional liberties. speaking up, going to church, practicing their religion. these are fundamental constitutional liberties that are nothe even up for democratic referendum. in other words, a majority ofe people can't cancel our rights to free speech, let alone a mob that shows up in the a sense terrorize us.e i think it's crossing a line. >> you can see the people are trying to figure out, what do i do here? am i going to be put in jail if i standpu up for myself?or if i ask a question, am i going to be asked racist? it feels like to have everybody in a box and something one of the preachers set at one point fromev that church, maybe it is. how can people sit by and let this happen, because they have. it emboldens them to move to the next level of escalation.

dinesh, you been all over the hoaxes, the race hoaxes, tell us what happened in oregon where we have another instance of someone i guess sending himself a racist letter g to boost his political fame, tell us about this? >> it's very clear that what happened to jussie smollett, bob wallace, you could call it an inglorious tradition, the tradition of the racial fate. a democratic official who sent a racist letter to himself. the cops were alerted, the usual fanfare, uproar, but i think the way to understand this is you can look at it in economic terms. there is a great demand for hate crimes because it has to satisfy the prejudice of people who think we are living in a racist society. but the supply of racist hate crimes is very low. so racist hate crimes have to be

manufactured, when the real thing is unavailable, bogus copies have to be made. >> laura: thank you. bubba wallace, he's not jussie smollett, but your point is false allegations can cause some trouble. up next, last bite. don't miss it.

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cnn found a type of vandalism. >> may be they didn't think, he is screaming those sorts of things. >> you tear down the statue of thomas jefferson, not going to worry about that one. take it all from here. shannon: we will continue that debate and do it safely. children,