>> i'm going to go with corona light, and squeeze the lime. "happy hour" starts at 6:00 p.m. with tom shillue. thanks for joining us on this busy thursday, and we will see you tomorrow, it's friday. stay within yourself. >> sandra: fox news alert, one hour from now we are awaiting the final three opinions from the supreme court from this term including whether lawmakers can subpoena president trump's financial records and whether he will have to hand those over to a grand jury in new york. a high-stakes dispute testing the balance of power between the white house and congress as well as a president's claim that he can't be investigated while in office. we will have full fox team coverage of that breaking news as it comes in. but first, joe biden facing backlash after saying some funding should absolutely be redirected from police departments. his comments coming as other

democrats worry about calls to completely defund the police. good thursday morning everyone, i'm sandra smith. hello john. >> good morning sandra and good morning to you, i'm jon scott. the presumptive democratic nominee has said before that he does not believe in defending the police. >> surplus for law enforcement, they don't need that. the last thing you need is an up armored humvee coming into a neighborhood like the military invading. they don't know anybody. >> we agreed that we can redirect some of the funding? >> yes, absolutely. >> meanwhile bernie sanders is saying biden could be the "most progressive president since fdr. as a task force set up by two former rivals released a sweeping set of recommendations.

biden will unveil his economic plan later today. >> good morning. that might be kind of surprising compared to the biden and sanders supporters who released a 110 page document detailing the ways that biden and sanders supporters could merge their two philosophies because in 110 pages, the word defunded comes up zero times with regard to police reform. biden had a different answer when cbs news following george floyd custody. they asked if he supported defunding the police and he said "no. i don't support defunding the police. he said he basically only supported giving federal money to police department's that are decent and honorable and that followed the biden campaign by saying no, he doesn't support defunding the police.

he argued his criminal justice was part of that and he does put a number on reform or redirecting. he says $300 million federal he should go to reinvigorate community policing initiatives. today, joe biden will be focusing on pitching his economic plan, an issue he says he knows has recently, it all will be socially distanced of of course, a short distance from where he was born in scranton, pennsylvania, and his first trip out of his delaware property. >> jon: and we will learn more later today. peter doocy in dunmore, pennsylvania. >> sandra: for more on all of us let's bring in don hannay and jerry. there's a lot being said right now and from the very beginning,

everyone said that anyone who is calling to defund the police, it meant something different to everyone. it's what joe biden is saying any different from what say, ilhan omar is saying? >> while that's a big question because joe biden as the peter doocy report just make clear is trying to unify a party which at one end has joe biden and at the other hand has bernie sanders. in my column today i recommend people read all 110 pages of that so-called unity report because there are contradictions and there are going to be contradictions over things like defunding the police or using the police to protect communities. joe biden's biggest problem, one that is so concerning too many democrats right now is that, he is just not very good at dealing with these internal contradictions. it is a primary political skill. you have politicians on your programs all day long, being

asked questions that they don't want to answer and the lindsey graham's and senator john kennedy's of the world are masters at answering those questions. joe biden has lost that skill and he is just not very good at it anymore. this is going to come up over and over again as he stumbles his way through a party that is divided between the moderate primary voters who put on the way to the white house in the progressives like bernie sanders who did not win the primary vote. >> sandra: i asked you the difference between some call for defunding the police, dismantling the police, because in recent days we heard ilhan omar talk about dismantling our economic and political systems and then joe biden talking about rewriting our economy. listen to this together. >> we must begin the work of dismantling the whole system of oppression wherever we find it. >> we have a breathtaking

opportunity, to deliver the promise of americans who have been denied it for far too long. to rewrite our economy. >> do you see much difference in what the two said there? >> bernie sanders himself is not arguing as you just reported that joe biden could be the most progressive candidate since fdr. if that is the case then there is not much difference between the two of them, and as i was just suggesting, we forget the importance of those democratic primaries. i thought the message coming out of the primaries was that most democratic voters, democratic voters wanted a moderate, as joe biden was a running back during the primaries, not ilhan omar's politics. but now joe biden's face with the prospect of having to incorporate alexandria ocasio-cortez, ilhan omar and elizabeth warren

and his agenda, and that's with this 110 page document is doing. we will see what he proposes in his economic plan today but i suspect it will be a lot of heavy government involvement and guiding the american economy. >> sandra: this is an activist that represented the black lives matter movement. i want to get her mood words in here. >> one of the things that we are demanding is defunding over five years to the complete abolition. so we don't want to see any police in their community over the course of five years. the five years gives the time for the community to begin to build what is needed, instead of police. so we are not looking to leave any kind of a vacancy around the issue of safety. >> sandra: i wanted to get that in there. fast forward to the 2020 election i love this all means. you have a new piece in

"the wall street journal" titled this, they'll fourth of july election. i made all of this downer is, you write something significant happened. on friday president trump delivered his mount rushmore speech. the next day after weeks of watching protests and overturn statues, a beaten-down population produced a hard to miss outpouring of patriotism in towns across the u.s. what are you telling us that this all means for the upcoming election question >> well, what i'm saying it's traditional people look at opinion polls to try to get guidance on what the american public thinks. it donald trump us down in the opinion polls. i don't think those conventional metrics and analysis really matter that much this year. this is a unique and election and you have an absolute unbelievable intensity of two events of the center of it. the coronavirus in which people were sent home from work and schools were closed, then

may 25th, the killing of george floyd and the protests that have happened lately ever sense. looting, smashing of monuments. the american people have been intensely focused on those two events. the two events would have been by themselves big enough for anyone's lifetime and i think as a result, coalitions are shifting inside of the country. young people moving out of the cities because i can't take it anymore into the suburbs may not yet be trumped voters but they don't sound very enthusiastic for joe biden. on that black lives matter statement, look. she's talking about giving five years to work through defunding the police. just this past weekend people were shot and killed in the inner cities of chicago and new york and you now have black leaders and black pastors same, we want protection for our neighborhoods right now. and if that includes bringing police and to protect us we should be doing that. that's not a five-year plan for

protecting the people dying in those inner cities. so i think the president was onto something with that mount rushmore speech and i think probably it would be a good idea if he expanded on some of those ideas and maybe address the hopes and fears of people living in the dangerous cities, neighborhoods of the inner cities. and because i just don't think that we are in a normal election at all. people are focused on these two events and they are going to cast their votes i think on the basis of which candidate they think is best going to address the aftermath of these events. >> sandra: great took get your thoughts on that this morning. dan henning are, thank you. >> jon: fox news alert, as a glass of marks another sad milestone in this global pandemic, surpassing 3 million coronavirus cases and 132,000 fatalities nationwide. the cdc is about to release new guidelines on reopening schools next week after president trump slammed to the initial list, pushing to get classrooms up and

running by the fall. while several governors are firing back at the president saying it's not his decision to make. >> school real meanings are estate decision, period. in the president does not have the authority to open schools. >> i appreciate their desire to get us back into schools but i would appreciate their desire to help us figure out how to get back into school. >> jon: kristin fisher's life at the white house with more. >> this morning there's clearly some kind of disconnect with the white house and the cdc over these guidelines for reopening schools. yesterday, president trump was very critical of those guidelines and he called them too expensive and impractical. then at the task force briefing later in the day the vice president came out and said the cdc would be putting out new guidelines next week. and of the head of that cdc was also at the task force briefings seems to go along with it. then this morning just about an

hour ago dr. redfield the head of the cdc was on another network and said this. >> are guidelines are our guidelines but we will provide additional reference documents to aid basically communities that are trying to reopen k-12, not a revision of the guidelines. it's to provide additional information to help the schools. >> so to be very clear here, the cdc is providing additional reference documents but they will not be revising those original guidelines. here's what some of those original guidelines called for. things like limiting mixing between groups of students, installing physical barrack barriers, increasing cleaning around the school and in some cases having children bring their own meals to school. now that last guideline is the one that the white house press secretary pointed to when asked which parts of these

guidelines did president trump have a problem with? >> one specific example i will give you is on food services. have children bring their own meals as feasible. there are 22 million children in this country who depend on these meals at schools and depend on access to nutrition and schools and that's one example. >> many schools are still struggling with the most basic of guidelines which is essentially, how do schools reopen for in person classes while still maintaining 6 feet of separation between students. still so many questions for the white house and this is front and center for parents, educators and students all over the united states and really, the world. >> jon: thorny issues i had to, kristin fisher of the white house. we will have more on all of this when education secretary betsy devos joins us at 9:30 a.m. eastern time to discuss administration's plan to get schools back open by the fall.

>> sandra: president trump meanwhile waiting on key rulings from the supreme court, about his battle to keep from disclosing his financial and tax records. andy mccarthy will be breaking down those legal arguments and the states involved. plus an investigation underway after hundreds of police officers and one major u.s. city call in sick over the holiday weekend. so, what was it? >> all these different entities at the minimum will we will have to curtail them which means cases will not be investigated or will pile them on to other people. my gums are irritated. i don't have to worry about that, do i? harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest.

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>> sandra: former glee actress niall rivera is missing and presumed dead this morning. her 4-year-old son was found sleeping alone on a boat in a lake. yesterday officers tellin said n told officers that they went swimming but his mom didn't get back on the boat. >> jon: set of supreme court decisions that could reshape congress as well.

the announcement from the supreme court is expected in less then one hour from now. it will perhaps be the most inconsequential set of decisions issued by the supreme court this term. they are expected less than an hour from now. cyrus vance, the president will win one and lose one case. it's still up in the air. >> sandra: 10:00 a.m. eastern time, we never hear beforehand how the supreme court has decided in these cases but the big question is whether or not the president can block the

release of his financial records. this is a long anticipated decision of course. we will have fox team coverage coming up for shannon bream and judge andrew napolitano will be joining us at the top of the hour as well is andy mccarthy. but it concerns his tax records and other information that as we know at this point the president and his team have fought hard to protect. it's also likely to make a bigger picture major statements on the power of the president to resist those demands and information from in these two cases congress and prosecutors. so the outcome of this decision is huge. >> jon: the state grand jury in the new york case, the president is immune from federal prosecution while in office but one question is, is he immune to answering from a state grand

jury? and we will find out top of the hour. meanwhile the l.a.p.d. seeing an unusual spike in office or say because over the july 4th weekend. now the "los angeles times" is reporting that commanders are investigating the so-called "blue flu" as a result of an orchestrated protest? william la jeunesse is live in los angeles with more. >> that is accurate and if it's true, officers can be punished. what is clear is after weeks of getting beat up at city hall and the media, l.a. police are fighting back. on july 4th 300 cops called in sick including gang milk units. they were urged to call in sick saying "they succeeded in defunding the police. what do you think is next, our pay or benefits for pensions? you are right. all those things are in jeopardy now. we have to send a clear message that we are not expendable and we are not going to take this

blank anymore. >> our men and women put a uniform on and wear a badge, we are not the ones that you just get to beat upon because you have no other solution for some of the ills that our city faces right now. >> chief michael moore acknowledged the high asked absentee rate, but the men and women of this department are dedicated to that mission in the vast majority of police officers reported to work as scheduled over the holiday. despite years of falling crime rates and a 30-year low and officer involved shootings, city hall wants to cut 150 million from the budget and freeze firing. mary eric garcetti doesn't see a problem. >> i have seen the life-saving work that they do every single day and i've also seen changes that we need to continue to

evolve. we care about you. >> saturday they will have an appreciation day at headquarters but they are taking a much more aggressive stance on twitter again certain city councilman. >> jon: at william la jeunesse, we will keep an eye on that story. it has been just over four years since the do dallas police ambu. the front of the officers will be joining us and how he is honoring the fallen heroes. plus a trump administration doubling down on efforts to get our schools back open in the fall. education secretary betsy devos will be joining us on why that is critical for our country. she joins us live come next. >> the purpose of the cdc's guidance is, remember, it's guidance. it's not requirements. and its purpose is to facilitate

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learning in the classroom. >> sandra: president trump ramping up his efforts to get america up and running again. he's even threatening to cut funding for schools if they don't reopen in the fall. madam secretary, thanks for being here this morning. first to that point, do you back the president and not warning or threat, if you will come in to the schools that, if they don't open the administration would be willing to pull federal funding from them? >> and american investment in education is a promise to our students and families, and if schools aren't going to reopen we are not suggesting pulling funding from education but instead allowing families take that money and figure out where their kids can get educated if there schools refuse to open. schools can reopen safely and they must reopen, kids need to be in the classroom. they need to be with their peers and they need to be with their teachers and they need to continue learning.

>> sandra: so how do you do it, the cdc has a release this nine page checklist for educators and schools to be able to safely reopen. the president is calling it very tough and expensive and same school should open even if they can't follow all these guidelines, do you agree with that? >> the recommendations from the cdc are just that, recommendations. and as dr. redfield has made clear the cdc never even suggested in the first place in school should close down initially. they are there to help provide recommendations and guidelines on how schools can consider doing things safely and if they will continue to provide a more detailed to that and more help and assistance. we are in a posture of, we need to move ahead and we need to get kids back in school. let's figure out how it can be done safely. every state and every community has school leadership that can sit down and can figure out solutions to the problems of reopening.

it's not a matter of if, it's just a matter of howell. >> sandra: it struck me yesterday listening to you at that news conference. and that is that you have been talking to educators. you've been talking to the teachers about how they feel about getting back into the classroom. there was an interview on another network where the national education association president challenged the president to think about what it would be like for a teacher to go get back into the classroom physically with kids that could be carrying the virus. >> we see what happens when they left bar is open prematurely, this isn't a bar, we are talking about second graders. i had 39 sixth-graders when you're in my class. i double dog dare donald trump to sit in a class of 39 sixth-graders and breathe that

air without any preparation for how we are going to bring our kids back safely. >> sandra: and so what about that prediction for the teachers? what do you do about that? >> those are certainly considerations for each school building to be taking into account and we know that those who are vulnerable to the disease need to have special consideration and protections. but that doesn't mean that we don't take steps forward and that we don't commit to getting schools reopened. there are different ways of approaching these problems or these issues. it just takes the will to get them done and find the solution. again, kids need to be back in school, there's nothing about the data that suggests that they shouldn't be back in school and everything frankly that suggest they should. the consideration of catching and/or spreading the virus is one consideration but also, kids

his mental well-being and social emotional development and growth and not to mention the academic part of school. the most important part of going to school to get an education. there are many different facto factors, kids have to get back in school. >> sandra: parents are -- just the level of uncertainty is so big. dr. redfield and that news conference, he backed up your sentiment that the cdc guidance our recommendations and that even if they can't follow all of that guidance, they still should have to be close. >> i want to make it very, very clear that the cdc continues to put out guidance and that

learning is intentional for reopening and keeping our schools open. that is the purpose. i want to make it very clear that it was not the intent of the cdc's guidelines to be used as a rational and to keep schools closed. >dr. fauci, you've heard other things. we talk about some emerging hot spots in media schools shouldn't open it area, up 105%. are you saying schools in these emerging hot spot areas should also open? >> obviously there will be considerations in certain locations. schools should be reopened, and they are looking at it as

physicians who take care of children on a daily basis and their posture is, kids have got to get back in school, they need to be together with their peers and they need to continue learning for their own health and well-being. this has got to go ahead. so there will be exceptions for flareups here or there but we should be paralyzed across the country or across the state because of one location. plan for schools to be fully open and fully operational and have contingency plans if you need to move to a remote situation because of a flareup or because of a certain situation in a specific community. but this is not ubiquitous across the country. and what they are looking and

what they are saying as far as the science and medicine and ultimately the recommendations on how to proceed. that's the chair of the house education committee. the administration pushed her reopen, and the president is ignoring the health experts. you see reports almost every d day, reported disagreements with the health experts in the white house and are you all on the same page with this? >> absolutely. the best place, back with their teachers, it can be done safely. they can look no further than other countries who can reopen their schools and have had great success in doing so. this has to happen for families across the country and its fully

operational and fully open, it may mean something different for a family that has a compromise child. but the point is, kids have got to get back to learning and education leaders can solve these problems and can solve the question of how to do it safely. there's plenty of suggestions and guidelines. this doesn't have to look exactly like it did a year or two ago. think creatively. >> many of these counties, many of these direction from the governors, there is a dispute happening right here in the state of new york. the school opening plan, class clowns, they are talking about

the mayor here, half in and half out. that will be the hybrid opening plan, some days you go to school in the classroom and and commissioner corcoran here put forward a very comprehensive plan and plans are great. if they actually execute on them. the point is, kids have got to

be back in school this fall and we need to take action and steps to make sure that's happening. >> sandra: what is the risk, many schools will be open in the fall and, those kids will be and what is the risk that you see considering there are areas that you still see spikes and could contract the disease? >> we know for a fact that child abuse has not been reported at the levels before because kids in school are often observed by the adults in those incidents taken to the right authorities. we know for sure that kids, their mental health and well-being is being impacted by not being able to be in school and continue to learn. we know that they are being

negatively impacted by not continuing to be in a school and a classroom, and frankly we know kids have to be in school and this is the right thing for them and the right thing for our future. >> sandra: i know you have accused some adults of fearmongering over school reopening, what did you mean by that? >> i think there is a tendency on the part of some to be fearful of taking that next step toward where we need to go to get schools reopen. there are no excuses for sowing fear and for making excuses when there are clearly safe ways to do things and we can make those decisions, take those steps forward to getting schools fully open, fully operational and to serve the families that we have made a promise to. >> sandra: secretary devos, we really appreciate the

conversation as we make our way towards the fall. >> sandra, thank you, we appreciate it. >> jon: as we have told you we are awaiting a pair of of major rulings from the supreme court. moments from now we might learn who can see president trump's financial and tax records if anyone. plus, the dates. >> this is not a unity group, this is surrendering to the socialists. joe biden has been in washington for more than 40 years and hasn't been able to do any of that from criminal justice reform and others, why do we think we will have something different? >> jon: that's republican kevin mccarthy's take on bernie sanders and joe biden releasing a plan for unity. but it's the former vp taking a big step to the left in the process? texas congresswoman and biden surrogate sheila jackson lee joins us live, next. that's why there's otezla.

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>> jon: bernie sanders is all in for joe biden as a vermont senator and former campaign rival joins forces with the presumptive democratic nominee, unveiling joint goals for party units yesterday. texas congresswoman's sheila jackson lee as a surrogate for the fighting campaign and she joins us now. congresswoman, thanks for being here. do you agree that joe biden would be the most progressive or liberal president since fdr? >> what i do agree with is that joe biden has a program to get off the knock down that she has experience. and we haven't been knocked down. that's the worst depression since the great depression. joe biden has a plan to be both the manufacturing, creating great union jobs and focusing on every american having an opportunity and every american

family to be an essential worker. but that means good benefits and investing in the nation. i've believe that progressiveness is moving the country forward and we are certainly not where we need to be. >> jon: i want to review part of the biden platform which is word for word what came in the bernie campaign platform when it was underway. it was about creation of a social force to handle police calls to create a civilian court of unarmed first responders such as social workers, emts and trained mental health professionals who can handle various nonviolent emergencies, and our viewers can read what is on the screen. they are word for word the same. does it mean that joe biden is taking marching orders from bernie? >> i think the party will be

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>> sandra: this week marks four years since a deadly ambush in dallas that killed five police officers and injured nine others. they wil were shot while protecg a peaceful protest at a march.

alex, good morning to you. thanks for being here, i know it's not easy to talk about it. how do you want your friend to be remembered? >> you know i want him to be remembered as someone who -- i think it's a perfect setting where the day of the protest right before the protest, this officer who could have been anything in life, the day of the protest when he was killed, he bought a homeless man of food. he went out of his way to buy a homeless man food like he does on a regular basis. that's someone to be remembered. >> sandra: that's a beautiful story and we will all remember his story. what do you think your friend would have to say about the ongoing conversation and debate that's happening today when it comes to our community policing

and calls for change? >> you know, the defunding of the police, it's a political term that gets thrown out there. you say that and it leaves too many open conversations about the far left or far right. how about we talk about mental health with police officers? the average person serves a six-month tour overseas in a war zone and they have time to talk about these. not enough time but when a police officer goes and see his children being murdered, and he sees families being broken apart, you know what he or she does? he or she goes home that day to their family and has to go right back into it the next day with no mental health support whatsoever. there's too much dehumanizing of the badge. we are flesh and blood, this community as a flesh and blood

human just like anyone else. >> sandra: patrick was your friend and lost his life, sacrificed so much and you came on to talk about it this morning. thank you. our best to you. >> jon: at the supreme court is set to release its final opinions of the term including key rulings on the president's financial records. fox team coverage, next. when we started carvana, they told us

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>> sandra: fox news alert, we are away are away awaiting the final three opinions from the court to of which focus on whether president trump can block the release of his financial records. the decision could reshape the balance of power between the congress and the white house. the high court is scheduled to hand down those opinions at any moment now and we are watching it. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." i am sandra smith. >> jon: hi, sandra, i'm jon scott. the rule will be from issuing subpoenas from his tax returns. lawmakers say they need those records to conduct oversight. the president argues he cannot be investigated while he is in office. we have fox team coverage for you this morning as promised, shannon bream and judge andrew napolitano are

standing by. we begin this morning with townhall.com editor katie pavlich and donna brazile. good morning to you and thanks for being. katie, kick things off here this morning on what is at stake. >> well for the president politically and personally, what's at stake is the exposure of a lot of documentation. if the court rules in favor of the president, not much changes in terms of what has been baked into the politics here. americans voted for the president in 2016 that had him go into the oval office as a president knowing that they weren't going to see his tax returns were more financial information. however if the court rules in favor of those who believe he should be forced to release information, that opens the door for a lot of opposition research for the democrats and allows them to take a number of things in his tax returns and financial

information. and there is a lot of information and the accounting firms and banks involved indicated that they would comply with the subpoenas if the president should lose in these cases. >> i think what is at stake right now is the congressional powers of oversight, especially when they are investigating a situation that developed after his testimony. after the inflate or deflate the amount of taxes? yes, it's complicated but this is about the balance of power and whether this president can be held accountable. in the new york case which i think is a more interesting case is a criminal investigation. so we may not even get any of

the records because it is in a criminal investigation involving the allegations with regard to hush money payments and payments to the stormy daniels karen mcclure. i do believe the american people need to understand the implications of both cases and like everybody else i want to see what they decide. >> sandra: chris stirewalt is with us as well. jump into the conversation, what's at stake here? >> the trump campaign on the president took a gamble in 2016 which was he was going to be the first guy to run for president for a major party in two generations in the modern era and not release his tax returns and not by the way release a

credible kind of financial disclosure. there were a lot of pages in it but it included things like his own self evaluation. this was a pretty hegel deep effort. but if you figure they can get past the election, just get through this, we want to get through this. when the bill comes due when you delay it it could be much worse. if, in fact, we get to go through all this stuff it comes at a much worse time because he's underwater and struggling with his reelection and there were all these questions. >> await these decisions to come down, we go back to the information that vance is seeking, and into the president and the trump organization, spurred by those disclosures.

if you go to stormy daniels. >> yes you do. you have the former attorney for president trump who is now out of prison thanks to the coronavirus crisis, that check is out here. it's coming out about time and the supreme court does rule in favor because they now have to put a lot of resources into explaining why a number of transactions were made and whether they will be successful at doing that to people who are paying attention to these issues. it will be difficult, then there is campaign officials who are trying to get the president's message of rebuilding the economy and other financial issues and economic issues that they see as bright spots and as a result of moving out of the shutdowns that we have seen all

over the country over the past couple of months. >> sandra: we are told that the trump financial ruling should come shortly, talking about the political implications, how does that play out in the election year depending on what we learn from a couple of minutes from now? >> i think it's going to be devastating. 117 days, the president had sufficient time to release his information before or upon taking auction and as chris said, clearly now that we are in the midst of the throes of a campaign where vice president joe biden has released his information, i do believe that it will hit the trump campaign very hard. we should be more concerned about the law and whether or not there were any laws broken and the fact that he brought the l

law. >> sandra: and we won't wait to see if the president has any reaction but recently and throughout all of this, they contended that he is absolutely immune from criminal investigations while he is in office and they also say that allowing state and local officials to politically motivated harassment. >> you know, you know the game roulette where you put the chips out on the table? you can double your bet. the odds are so nice, if you just keep doubling your bet you can do it. if you run out or get caught short or it hits double 020 times in a row, if the bad things happen you get cleaned out.

the strongest explanation, the strongest exertion of executive privilege and executive authorities as possible. it seems unlikely that the supreme court will go all the way there with him, but it gives them a broad difference in terms of who they can talk to and how they can handle their affairs and who they can deal with. but if bill clinton had to go testify in a civil case it seems unlikely donald trump can take the same posture as it relates to a criminal matter. >> sandra: katie? >> the basis of the argument is that a sitting president cannot execute his duty as president of the united states and to govern if he is caught up in all of these lawsuits all over the country in a political sense. that is true not just for president trump but other presidents, not just arguing on behalf of the current occupants of the oval office, they are arguing on behalf of the executive branch on what the role of the president of the

united states is and getting bogged down in lawsuit law welfare and they file all the time. >> because this involved two cases, our guidance is pertaining to the congressional and state subpoenas that we could get one decision. one ruling could come down and the other could follow and it's important to remind everybody that because there are two rulings and this is happening online because of the coronavirus and it will be issued online et cetera, there could be two competing outcomes. you could get the president prevailing on one case but not the other. >> that's because there were three cases and two were consolidated. the congressional oversight cases were consolidated and of course we had the new york case. the president lost at the lower court level on the new york cases. but the other thing is it's

congressional oversight. i mean congress is a coequal branch of government. the fact is when you fail to reproduce those documents to congress and they cannot proceed with the proper oversight, you also stymie their ability to get the job done so we could have two results in terms of the financial records of the president but really, i think it leads to one thing and that is the president should be held accountable, he can't use his presidential power of immunity to say he should be shielded before he landed in the white house. >> sandra: katie, can we get your reaction to that? >> donna says abuses that may have happened before he took office and that's an assumption we don't have evidence for. the accusation has been that president trump is not releasing his tax returns simply because he is hiding something, we don't

actually know that because we have not seen them. but the issue is its about congressional oversight but much of the argument is why congress and democrats who have been pursuing the president's financial record are asking for them. is it really about oversight and protecting the american people from conflicts of interest or is it because democrats have a political ax to grind and they've done everything from accusing him of russian collusion to impeachment to a number of other things that they've tried to do to politically harm him. so the issue, i think, is whether they are doing it on behalf of the american people or whether they are doing it on behalf of politics which is an election year of chorus and amplified a whole lot. >> sandra: you just had tom friedman and "the new york times" basically saying that joe biden shouldn't even engage in debate unless the president turns over his tax returns. i will continue that conversation with you in just a moment, let's bring in

judge andrew napolitano, we are 11 minutes past the hour awaiting these key rulings from the supreme court. your thoughts, judge? >> we will wait in a few minutes to know where the court comes down on this. so in the case of his tax returns which were subpoenaed by two different congressional committee is, the court has to decide is there a legitimate legislative purpose to this. is it legitimate oversight? the benefit of the dow should be given to congress because the subpoenas are presumed to be valid. in the case of a criminal case, the president has made the extraordinary claim that he is immune from investigation while he is president. he is immune from prosecution while he is president but because evidence dissipates and witnesses forget things, it would be hard for me to believe that the court is about to find that he is immune from investigation. again, the president is not a

defendant in either of these cases. the subpoena from congress went to the secretary of the treasuries of the president doesn't have to call through his documents and find them. the president's concern on the other hand is that this is done to embarrass him and even though these are secret investigations, three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead as franklin once said and he fears them quite rightly. if he loses these documents will be public before the sun goes down. >> sandra: judge, if you could stand by and shannon standby as well as we await these decisions coming in. chris stirewalt is with us also, if we could go back to you. we are talking about what is at at stake but the political indication of what we are about to learn? >> the president makes a great point here.

if the documents are released to either claimant, they would have to be released. when something gets leaked out, it drains it and also leaking with it are some of its credibility. i think for trump that a lot of the stuff is baked in the kick and he's not running for reelection as a good guy or a high ethical standards, he is that's new york real estate, so i don't know that there's anybody who supports trump that would find out something through this that would say, this runs my idea of a man with pristine character. on the other hand it's one more hassle, or more debt of bad luck and bad timing for a campaign that seems pretty choppy. >> sandra: i go back to what i left off with you and donna with, which was at peace by tom friedman saint joe biden should

not engage in debate unless his tax returns are put forward. at one of two conditions that would ultimately have to be met, that and fact-checking in real time the debate. that just goes to show you the political pressure and weight that is being put on the outcome of these rulings moments from now. >> the opinions over the last couple of weeks and in terms of how the campaign moves forward here, of course there is massive political pressure here. the idea that joe biden is going to somehow take the advice of "new york times" and offer up an ultimatum for the president to debate him, really it is just another excuse to keep joe biden off of the debate stage with president trump. biden has already agreed to

debate the president so they would have made a commitment. it's a false argument for the biden campaign to make, saying we aren't going to support our side of the argument if the president is going to do something he hasn't done for the last five years and then ran for president the first time. it's not a very strong argument on their part and it takes away credibility from the biden campaign and confidence that he is good enough to go up against the president on the debate stage and present his ideas and argue that they are better than what the trump administration has offered. >> sandra: please standby. >> jon: we are going to bring in our chief legal correspondent shannon bream now who is getting a look at some of these critically important rulings out today on the final day of the supreme court term.

>> we are doing this virtually and digitally and we have the first of the two opinions on the president's tax returns. remember, there is a new york state prosecutor who wants to get access to them and also three house committees. it's 7-2, and it's written by the chief justice. he talks about the fact that the president has said we reaffirmed the principle today and hold that the president neither has absolute immunity nor entitled to a heightened standard of need. basically what he says here is they have raised arguments to the president and shouldn't have to comply with this at all but we don't think in our estimation that a president is always entitled to walk away from a criminal subpoena. what they also do is send this back to the lower court so, they give guidance but what it sounds like is the president when it they send it back down can make additional arguments about this at the lower court, making it sound like at first blush that

this is not over. they are saying that he is not going to be able to say i can't comply with any subpoena, they say there is not an absolute right to that. but the case is resolved on some other points and may have to go back down for further consideration. the next one we get within 3 minutes or so will be on the house committee and these three committees who are investigating the president or things tied to the president can get access to his records. so that will be the second bite of the apple. but for now when it comes to that criminal subpoena or the subpoena connected to the prosecutor in manhattan, there is no absolute immunity for the president to walk away from it but there are unresolved issues and it's written by the chief justice. we've all just less than 2 minutes away have the next part of the answer which deals with the house committees and more clarity on this decision as well.

>> jon: it sounds like in a strange way that might lead to victory for a president because if it goes back to the lower courts it would seem that any further action would be postponed until after the election which is what chris stirewalt was saying is part of the goal. let's hear what the judge thinks, back to you. >> sandra: let's bring in judge andrew napolitano. you have the supreme court sidestepping the issue of the state grand jury and that's the headline. what does it mean? >> it means that the president of the united states, or president trump and all of his successors and any predecessors for that matter is not immune from criminal prosecution and is not immune from complying with the ordinary process. and it goes back to the trial

court, the issue will be, and chris stirewalt could weigh in on this better than i can. ultimately this might not affect if they election and whether the courts can get all this done. i will think this would be resolved about.

the accountants say they have it and they are ready to turned it over. >> >> you invoked chris stirewalt there, please wait as we get more information coming in from the supreme court and we will get to chris on that. >> the judge is right except for the fact, and the truth is that there is a big defeat for trump because they took that big defense. they said we have absolute immunity, and we can't be hurried for lawsuits all the time and dragged into criminal court. this whole court is out of order, they rejected and they are unambiguous. trump will not see these things

released to prosecutors and it will not take that long. these are big financial institutions. >> sandra: we've also got katie and donna standing by. >> i think it is a win, the president in the future will as well whether they are a valid request for information or not and whether they are being made for political reasons or valid criminal investigations. but the issue is a win, and the financial information and other issues, is something that will get weeded out in the lower courts before it reaches the attorney or higher level in the white house. so this is something that the president if he wins the

election will have to deal with in the second term as democrats continue to use the legal system to attack him politically. but certainly having the bar higher, and that's a justified reason to try to obtain these certain documents which will help the president. >> sandra: okay. we will bring an republican congressman jim jordan from ohio and he joins us now with reaction to the supreme court, sending this case on the president's grand jury subpoena back to the lower court, how did you see it? >> good to be with you. we are just starting to read them ourselves so we are not exactly sure what's going on here. we will be waiting to see what happens with the congress case as well. in a general sense with congress, i know when you think about the average american who is terrified of being audited by

the irs, if congress has the ability to look at president trump's tax returns and everything else, you're talking about nancy pelosi, adam schiff and maxine waters, i think that's a terrifying thing based on what we've seen them do over the last four years. we are just getting the information and starting to look at it and we are digesting this just like all of you. >> sandra: what are the implications in these, obviously you and the republicans have been warning of the consequences of this not just politically but for our system? >> think back a few years ago. i was part of investigating the irs and the obama administration. when they targeted conservative groups and key party groups around the country, we had permission from the groups that were targeted to access and look at the tax returns and the irs wouldn't let us do that. so contrast that with what the

democrats are trying to do and go after the president of the united states tax returns and go after his business records for the last ten years. i think most americans see this as kind of ridiculous. when you think about what took place just a few years ago when the obama and irs systematically and for a sustained period of time targeted people for their political beliefs, those groups pulled darrell ison and i, you can see what you are doing to us. so what a contrast. >> the house consideration timidly came down. chief justice john roberts wrote the opinion 7-2 that the president is not immune from grand jury requests. both supreme court justices nominated by the president sided with the majority in this ruling. >> it is what it is.

i want to read the opinion and i haven't had a chance to do that because it just came out a few minutes ago as you know. >> sandra: can i just read you a bit of this as you react? 200 years ago a grand jury rest of our court established that no citizen, not even the president is categorically about the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding. that was written in the decision. he then said we reaffirm that principle today and hold that the president is neither immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers, nor entitled to a heightened standard of needs. >> i get what chief justice roberts wrote, and an end i'm

interested about what the court set about congress' ability to get the president's business and tax records. i think congress has brought oversight authority and i understand that but it's supposed to be used for legitimate legislative purposes. that's what nancy pelosi has been doing over the last few years and anyone who has common sense and objectivity here would say this has been politically driven from day one and whether it was a whole trump-russia investigation or impeachment, you name it and it has been politically driven. it's no coincidence that the article came out earlier from mr. freeman linking today's decision with the idea that joe biden will somehow be afraid to debate the president of the united states. that is unbelievable. we will get a chance to read both of them and comment more. >> sandra: congressman, if you could stand by we will get to john and you can get to shannon. >> jon: these are the opinions that we've been waiting for all

term. you've had the chance to look at what the supreme court issued this morning, give us more information. >> jon, this has to do with the three house committees that hadn't gone to president, and they have said, listen. we are going to comply legally with what we were told to do. but today that will remain unsolved and the court recognizes that the congress has the power to issue subpoenas to deal with the president. what they do walk into this today is say there are all kinds of considerations. burdens imposed by congressional subpoenas should be carefully scrutinized as they stem from a branch and in incentives to use subpoenas were institutional in advantage. they talk about the clash of the two branches and the power that each holds. they go through this entire thing and they say at the end that the lower courts did not take adequate account of all the

concern. they talked about the narrowness of the subpoenas and the availability of the subpoena somewhere else. because the lower courts didn't do that they said the judgments of all these lower courts are vacated and the cases, multiple cases are and sent back to the lower courts. so they basically lay out for different considerations you have to look into if congress would subpoena something involving the president. they walk through all four of those and then say the lower courts did not make that full analysis so they make no decision on these particular requests, these particular congressional subpoenas. they do say they can be subpoenaed up but they say that these have to go back to the lower courts. there is no way that will be anywhere near resolved by november 3rd of this year. i think the president's team can take this as a temporary way in and those committees will not have access to that based on the supreme court opinion. the one dealing with the

new york prosecutor is trickier because they say the president can't walk away from the subpoenas but they also leave open the possibility that these cases have to go back down to the lower court on the president can make additional arguments at the district court. so a lot of unresolved deeper questions from the court today by sending both of these decisions essentially back to the lower courts for more proceedings. so i think it's a mixed bag for the white house but at the end of the day that congressional subpoenas will not get these records right away and it looks like the president's team will continue to try to wage a fight with the new york prosecutor although the court has recognized the prosecutor subpoena can be good for the president and the president cannot have to comply that the arguments will continue in the lower courts. >> jon: shannon bream, thank you. we will send the opinion back to judge napolitano for a little more reflection. judge, both of these big cases

of the investigations of the president sent back to lower courts for review, give us your analysis. >> the president lost both cas cases. because he took these broad, sweeping, almost i am immune from any kind of compliance with anything congress wants, i am immune from any kind of compliance, the court say no you are not immune end of the government is entitled to this information. the question is, are the subpoenas to broad and did they take into account that you are an equal branch with the congress? so i don't think the president will be happy with either of the is. however, shannon is quite correct, it's hard to imagine that this information, particularly the second case,

the one where the three congressional committees subpoenaed that the president from the secretary of the treasury, is almost inconceivable that that will be resolved by election day. i think the first one which is one that is more troubling i think to the president, that is the subpoena for his ten years of his records by cy vance, the d.a. in manhattan. i think that can be resolved by election day. none of this is to publish this information, grand jury material is secret. it is however naive to believe that, how rich is donald trump. and top whoever gets their hands on this, it could be a clerk carrying the documents from office a to office b will be attempted to take a peek at them. i don't think the president will be happy. and justice gorsuch and

justice kavanaugh, they are making decisions on the basis of constitution and the role of the president and our constitutional system and history, i think they did the right thing. >> jon: it's judge napolitano, thank you. >> sandra: is joining us now is chad pergram. chad, your reaction to everything you are learning? this is kind of a backdoor way. they already think that they have the president of the united states on the ropes but if they were to release those tax returns, they would like to see those documents there.

and they think they have the president right where they want him. to go down that road just before that the election is a problem. michael cohen, when he appeared before the house oversight committee, it was februar february 27th of 2019. listen. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes. such is trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in forms. >> that's why they forged ahead.

it was hutchison versus u.s. i will redo something here that justice william brennan said and i haven't seen the full case so i will be interestin interestedf there's a citation with this case. "investigation conducted solely to punish the investigated either by publicity or prosecution is indefensible. it exceeds so one of the issues here sandra, is was the house of representatives conducting a legitimate legislative inquiry? this was one of the issues raised before the d.c. circuit court of appeals by the president council and basically the d.c. circuit said, yes. this is on purpose, they have a legitimate reason to look into this and that would be something going forward, whether or not

this holds as we try to shake this out and understand the dimension and the impacts of this and that coming days. but in now the shoe is on the other foot. the republicans would say, there's going to be a lot of ramifications for this down the road. >> sandra: we will bring in a republican member of congress, on that note. here is a new statement just coming into us. this is from the manhattan d.a. vance, reacting to the ruling that just came in on the new york grand jury he is calling it a tremendous victory from our nation and no one, not even the president is about a

law or investigation. we will resume and they will follow the law and the facts wherever they may lead. he has we got more and just got that reaction from the manhattan d.a. >> most americans are terrified of being audited by the irs, and that's a real concern and the congressional concern, they said it's a do over by the lower courts, and that's a clip that they played when they gave the report. remember, michael cohen was referred to the justice

department and overall in the congressional case, the three committees that wanted to get access to these business records and president trump's financial records, it looks like the court said they will punt on that and so we will just have to wait and see. as we move forward. >> sandra: we are checking from the reaction, and how do you we will keep doing the job that he's been doing. that's just to this president is. they like the fact that he comes here and takes on the swamp and he pushes against the swamp, but when you do that the swamp fights back and that's what he

is part of. and despite all of that, taxes are cut, prior to the coronavirus which was growing at an unbelievable rate. and a host of other things and everyone they put out a tweet literally a minute ago. they sent this back to lower court, arguments continue and now they have to keep fighting and politically corrupt new yo new york. >> is going to keep fighting just like you said, and we all

know what is happening. we know nancy pelosi and adam schiff, and maxine waters want to do as we are politically driven. i've been part of the oversight committee for a long time and we want to get access to information as part of this critical balance that we have with equal branches of government. i get all of that but, it's no coincidence that mr. freeman wrote the article with this decision coming out today. when it's solely driven by the left drive and political focus, that's the biggest concern. >> he just tweeted out again, courts in the past have given broad deference but not me. going back to our congressional correspondence reporting, i want to get your reaction to that because he saying that this decision in the house case may actually help congressional democrats. they want the records but it helps pelosi not have to wrestle

with the big inquiry and the democrats think they have to have the president on the ropes. the democratic party, and we see it from all our members, and chad can have that opinion, and that's against the attorney general of the united states. >> congressman congressman i really appreciate it. can't stand by, go back to john.

john? >> let's bring back in judge andrew napolitano. are obviously chief legal expert. judge, it's my understanding that the subpoena that was issued by the house, and once this congress is out of session, those subpoenas would expire as well. >> yes. that could be an end because and pelosi wants to present all th this. whether mr. ms. pelosi is a lea,

it will be an entirely new house come january. and they laid down for guidelines for the trial court to follow. arguing that he is immune from this and what is the legitimate legislative purpose. they harassed the president because they dislike him so intensely, and they argued the legitimate oversight to see, if the treasury department is giving favors to the president,

as michael cohen, has alleged. take whatever documents or testimony are supplied from and after today and come up with another ruling. and that ruling could go all the way to the supreme court. all of that would have to happen while you point out as the subpoenas are alive which means before january of 2021. >> jon: the supreme court has, in the past, decided that a congressional subpoena has to be issued in order to further the investigation of congress and not just to embarrass someone politically. does this ruling today what is

the bona fide legislative purpose secure? i mean congress claims the right to investigate anything. but all of their powers stemmed from the constitution. they would have to .21 of the 16 specific powers that are delegated to them in the constitution as to why they are doing this. they will say its integrity of the government. it's unknown if the treasury secretary and commissioner of the irs are giving them favors that it doesn't give to others. well, is there a basis for you to believe that? all of this stuff will be played out in the trial court on the trial court will rule. in that setting the president's,

donald trump himself ordered them to make not of immunity which is gone. they can't make that argument in the trial court. the grand jury will begin to review the documents that cy vance and the grand jury subpoenaed, a criminal investigation based again on the allegations of michael cohen. >> jon: judge napolitano katie pavlich, the morning roles on and we will learn more about the president reacting. >> so reading to the latest opinion, essentially the house did not make a valid argument

about why they are entitled to this documentation without damaging the presidency and the separation of powers and essentially that goes back to the argument that was made during impeachment, the house didn't do all of their homework before going to the senate. it seems like it's a similar situation here. but in terms of the political implications here and with the president can do moving forward, that's no longer a top issue and in that out of all of the issues going on in the economy, and democrats want that focus on an issue. and whether the president will release tax returns as an issue

for the election cycle. in the president can make that argument, and he is focused on people like we will ask hogan gidley about that we will bring you back in here because nancy pelosi just sent out that she will be speaking to reporters during her weekly press conference at the u.s. capitol and at the top of the hour. about 10 minutes from now we will learn more about her strategy and obviously her reaction to the news. but the strategy for democrats going forward after this day. donna? >> i just had an opportunity to read some parts of the first decision, and he said 200 years ago a great jurist establish

that no citizen, not even the president is about the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding. the president lost at the lower court. they will go back and get those records so they can proceed with the criminal investigation. you can talk about the politics but this is about the constitution and the rule of l law. i keep hearing this reference to tom freeman, and, i do believe what the justice said today,

that's the democrats, he does not have to comply and congress may not be able to get the records that they need. what we do know, >> sandra: chris stirewalt with this, chris? >> i do, tom freeman has been wrong more than a trailer park psychic, not like this guy is, he is goofy. so that's not anything. i understand that congressman jordan is very angry and what he sees his partisan democrats, and that's all fine and good for the members of congress who don't do

anything, and that's fine. it's an incredibly broad authority, that he was impervious to even the investigation. something for everybody. it's a 7-2 decision, and they get something and so do the people concerned about the president being harassed by congress over political aims. the last thing, i am reminded and i don't know whether incompetence explains all of it but it explains most of us it. democrats executing their impeachment of the president, they decided they did not have time for the real thing but they didn't feel like they could get away with not impeaching the president.

they only kind of do it, and their botch of that, their mishandling of that very sacred duty ends up with them trying to do a make good with the subpoenas and other stuff trying to get a hold of trump documents. their miscalculation and mishandling and incompetence directed them to this moment. >> exactly. they didn't get the result that they wanted but a lot of the focus here has been on what the congressional oversight role is here. but if you look at the opinion, they talk about how the house is approached but leaves no limits to subpoena the personal records. they could transport the established practice of the political branches, so yes, this is of course about limiting and having a balance of powers between the congress and the

executive branch. the narrative has been framed about limiting with the president can do but the opinion also talks about limiting the congress' authority. >> sandra: it so supreme court is blocking congress, and the supreme court saying that manhattan prosecutors, the manhattan d.a. cy vance issuing a statement calling it a tremendous victory. the lengthy tweet says this, supreme court sends the case back to lower court, and now i have to keep fighting in a politically corrupt new york. he lastly said courts in the past have given me broad deference but not -- have given broad deference but, not me.

to me donna brazile, they get brand-new reaction from her. >> we wonder what steps if any of the democrats will take. i haven't read that decision but i read the first one. i suspect the president will cry a river and he likes to cry reversed because he doesn't want to stand up to what the truth really is. i do believe that going forward the d.a. in new york is going to complete. and that's 117 days before the election and will focus on the issues that the american people care about. that's what we will talk about today. i do believe they are very important in terms of the constitution and legal framewo framework, and chris, final

words? >> this is important and it matters for our history, and these things are all important. i do agree with donna, and that's just about the same as when they were coming out of this. >> sandra: imperfect commentary, i can always count on you for that. thanks to all three of you and our fox team coverage as well. the supreme court sending two cases focusing on president trump's financial records back to the lower courts and we are awaiting a news conference from speaker

nancy pelosi. that's expected to begin any moment now. a big moment here in "america's newsroom." come on back.

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>> jon: i'm jon scott. the justices first ruling upholds the manhattan das demand for president trump's tax returns as a part of a criminal investigation and a 7-2 decision in the court rejected the president's argument of absolute immunity from prosecution. meaning it will not let those tax records as of right now. team fox coverage continues right now, dana perino live with analysis and kristin fisher wipe of the president's reaction. but first, we go to shannon bream in washington. >> a mixed bag for the president's team, these two cases are very different. one having to do with the subpoena from the new york prosecutor and the other having to do with those three house committees that said they need to get a look at the president's financial and tax records. the subpoena went to third parties, they went to banks and

financial companies and now said they will comply with whatever legal obligation. and they have set all along that they would do so. a 7-2 decision, both of them were. we talk about the fact that no president is absolutely immune from the state criminal subpoena nor entitled to a heightened standard of need. so they say listen, you have to comply with this. at the president is free to make arguments against it and they also say that the arguments presented here were only about absolute immunity. the court of appeals for the slower second court said the president will raise further arguments as appropriate. so while the principal as they are the president has to comply with the state criminal subpoena and they may continue to make other arguments on other fronts. there is some logistical paperwork and things that have to happen here and it's not as if we expect the documents to be rolled out today but the underlying principle is there. the president can't get away

from the state criminal subpoena. in the second case a much different situation where you have three committees from the house that would be arguing over this. the court said today, and that's part of four-part test the courts below did not take adequate account of these concerns. so the judgments are thrown out and the cases go back. it looks now like the lower courts will have to work through the four-part test and none of this is going to happen swiftly. so at least we know that the house committees will not have quick access. it could take months or years to continue those legal battles below the new york manhattan district attorney's office there is a much different case and those could be much closer to being turned over to the prosecutors there who a mixed

bag. it's a grand jury that has requested the president's tax records. those records are secret. does that mean that the president's tax returns are going to be suddenly released even though they are going to a grand jury? >> they shouldn't be but it's interesting that during the arguments they are our arguments about whether these documents would truly be under lock and key and never see the light of day. we have seen that the president, they admitted that she was the one who leaked some financial documents. justice alito brought this up as well when he was talking about the idea of and his words were

to the fact that, we know that -- specifically including two "the new york times," those are examples of private information, legal information that gets leaked and so he certainly expressed a concern that that could happen. grand jury's are supposed to be secret but as you see with the mueller report, you can make arguments about getting access to that information and the more people that have access to more likely it is to be leaked. in principle, that is given to the grand jury. >> even though leaking it is a crime. for reaction now from the white house, kristin fisher is live on the north line. >> there is perhaps no issue more personal or in more upsetting for president trump than the one that the

supreme court has just ruled. president trump has been fighting to keep his tax returns and financial records private for years so he has to be a little concerned, or a little bit relieved i should say. he has to be a little bit relieved of that at least for now those records will remain private and he also has to be a little bit concerned that the supreme court has ruled that no president has absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. in his very first reaction to these rulings this morning, president trump was not pleased with them and he made that very clear. the supreme court sends the case back to the supreme court and this is all a political prosecution. now i have to keep fighting in a politically corrupt in new york. this is not fair to the presidency, or this administration. the other thing to keep an eye on today is what president trump says about the two justices that

he appointed to the supreme court. because today they ruled against president trump and so did chief justice john roberts who president trump has been very unhappy with lately. things like daca and protection for lgbtq employees. now the one bit of good news is that what the supreme court has done is essentially delayed any decisions about the attack in terms of financial arguments being made public, and delayed them until after the election. this delay is certainly good for the trump campaign because it means that democrats are not going to be able to glean any bits of information from these documents which they could then use an opposition research. definitely a mixed bag for president trump and he has made it clear in the tweets that he has put out that he is not happy

with the decisions today. >> sandra: more on all of this now, dana perino. i will redo the statement just out from the president's attorney jay sekulow. he says this. we are pleased that in the decision of issues today, we will now proceed to raise additional constitutional and legal issues in the lower courts. we are left wondering how the administration and how the president plans to proceed this morning. >> i think kristin fisher is that it right, it's a mixed bag and they are okay with it but it's not a apocalyptic. i think people thought that today would be the closure of this issue and they would be disappointed. i think what's to come is a lot

more litigation. the supreme court rulings can have a pretty big impact or append a presidential campaign. if you think back to when romney was running against obama in 2012 and the supreme court came out and ruled that obamacare could stand, that was a very controversial john roberts decision. at that point, that romney was back on his heels for several days. at this point i don't think that this will have a big political impact when it comes to the election and even though on the left they love this issue and they loved to chew on it, and, from an electoral standpoint i don't think it's that big of a deal. i think the president was disappointed because he would have loved to have had a home run, and, we did hear from

jim jordan. the democrats have focused on attacking the president from go, and that was at jim jordan's take. so now we await nancy pelosi and we will see how that is going forward. >> i'm not sure what more they could do other than add that to the political commentary. >> sandra: to that point, she's talking about it right now. >> in the decision, a careful supreme court ruling is not good

news for president trump. the court has reaffirmed the congresses authority to conduct oversight on behalf of the american people. as it will ask for further information from congress. congress congresses constitutional accessibility, ask and the rush of connection he is hiding. congress will continue to conduct oversight for the people, upholding the separation of powers that is the genius of our constitution, we will continue to press our case into the lower courts. that's what happened this morning. earlier this morning, for the 16th week in a row, over 1 million americans applied for unemployment insurance. >> sandra: bringing dana perino back in here, the president is not about the law and we will continue to take our

case up into the lower courts. >> that's what she is going to say and i think you can tell that they don't think this is that big of a deal for them because she hit it and quit it and then she was back onto the big issues of the day, the pandemic on the economy and trying to say that the president is not doing enough for people who have lost their jobs. so again from an election standpoint i think the democrats realized they did not get a home run at the supreme court this morning and they might be able to get their tax returns but it will be way after the elections. at that point i don't know if any democrat is actually going to care at this point. they want to use it as a bludgeon against the president as i have been since he is a first-person of both major parties to refuse to release his tax returns and that was his choice. and also this decision from the supreme court. i think with the democrats are saying is, we knew that we were going to get a tax return but we also knew we are not going to get them before the election so

we are moving on and we will not waste a moment on this. >> sandra: if we have it to pull over, the president's tweets. he reacted at moments after the decision came out saying the court sends a case back to the lower court and this is all political prosecution. i won the mueller witch hunt, not fair to this presidency. hogan gidley will join us and obviously we will see how this battle shapes up as we get -- i think we are 117 days out from election day 2020. >> yes. we will talk about this for a day or two but this is not going to drive a lot of news and it's not going to drive a lot of votes, everybody will move on from this i think pretty quickly because as jay sekulow pointed out, they will fight it out in

the course and there's lots of litigation to come. >> sandra: thank you for joining us this morning. >> jon: and "new york times" columnist urging joe biden not to debate president trump unless two conditions are missed. we have new reaction from the trump campaign hogan gidley. plus his thoughts on the supreme court decisions. also, an arm of the black lives matter movement, to defund the police. completely abolishing the police in five years. making many host charles payne gives us his take, next. and from start to finish, you can do it all without ever leaving the house. with our va streamline refi, there's no income verification. no appraisal. and no out of pocket costs. nobody works harder for veterans

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>> jon: a fox news alert, the supreme court has given kind of a mixed bag of issues, or decisions i should say, on two big questions involving the administration. the president does not enjoy immunity from state prosecution. the manhattan district attorney or new york district attorney has been investigating the president's financials. also the court said that

congress does not necessarily get to see the president's tax records, at least not yet. it has thrown the issue back to the lower courts. the market is down 476 points right now, is not a result of the supreme court decisions or is there something else going on? >> you know, i've been watching, following and looking very closely and and i'm not talking about wall street executives over the hedge fund managers and limousine liberals, i'm talking about the stock market which has

thrived on lower taxes and fewer regulations and approved on policies. and he can debate how much and in the middle of an economic crisis that will still exist in 2021, the timing for many people in the stock market is never right with higher taxes and interfering with it the election or its outcome. >> jon: is so a mixed bag as i said earlier. the chief justice john roberts

walking a fine line and sending this back to the supreme court. that's the black lives matter movement calling for completely abolishing police departments in five years. as protesters nationwide a demand police reform and wake up floyd's death. that gives time for the community to give what is needed instead of police no police in our community, and how will that fly. and i don't know, the political

organization the notion of leading the most vulnerable communities without polices absolute suicide. i talk about the markets, i talk talk about the economy, without form of peace and security. you don't get upward mobility and you don't get anything but tierney without the idea that you live in a peaceful society. and that would utterly destroy the nation. more specifically the poorest, blackest and broadest neighborhoods in this country would be devastated. >> jon: in the meantime there is apparently a black lives matter mural that is to be painted on fifth avenue in

new york city. we have -- i believe these are life pictures as they get ready to do that. the mayor of new york city loves this idea. and of course this is not far from trump tower and the president tweeted about that last week. he writes, new york city is cutting police budget money by $1 billion and the new york city mayor and denigrating this luxury avenue. and that's a horrible being at ml's chant, pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. maybe our police who have been neutralized and scorned by a mayor who hates and disrespects them won't let the symbol of affixed york's greatest street. they spend money fighting crime

instead. what does this do? i'm so sick of this virtue signaling stuff. if you want to go building to building, it's filled with the amy cooper's of the world and people should be your answer to that. and they are the rich and very rich always do well in the poor and very poor just watch from the sidelines. >> jon: a quick question about the ford motor company. some ford employees sent the ceo a letter saying they want for to

stop building the police interceptor vehicle, the rugged, fast car that helps out the cops. the ford ceo is defending the construction of that vehicle, according to ford. he asked, we will keep on building. charles, your take? >> i give him a standing ovation. bravo, bravo. do not fold, did not submit, do not succumb to the ideas, when they get too crazy and when the demands are stupid, these demands make life more dangerous to everyone. so i just give them a standing ovation. the police department deserves the best equipped they have and bringing that to the laws of the land. >> jon: charles payne, it will

be easy to see whether the future police interceptio intere any quality issues if any of the employees working on them, that could be a problem. >> let's hope not. >> sandra: thank you charles and thank you john. the supreme court is out with two big decisions on the president's tax and financial documents just handed down by the court moments ago. we will get brand-new reactions to those decisions when the trump campaign joins us in moments. it's campaign's press secretary hogan gidley, he will be with us live, next.

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>> jon: at los angeles police department commanders are reportedly looking into what was a weekend case of "the blue flu" after an unusual spike in sick because over the july 4th weekend. they are looking into whether it was a result of the orchestrated protest. a number of officers reportedly responding to an anonymous letter that was sent around the department telling them to call out sick, expressing their feelings about the way they've been treated. meanwhile on the east coast, new york attorney general leticia james says people have lost confidence in law enforcement.

a preliminary report on police interactions with demonstrators reads in part, "it is clear that too many new yorkers no longer trust the police to do their jobs effectively and fairly. new york congressman zeldin is here. >> new yorkers don't trust the police to do their jobs fairly. >> that's a broad statement, you shouldn't be speaking for the entire state. when you say new yorkers, he might get an impression that all new yorkers feel that way but i don't even believe that most new yorkers feel that way. and and to build more support

for law enforcement. i would take it one step further and say you should be making a broad-based statement like that because it's not accurate. the protests are going a lot further than just that rhetorically. there are a lot of expletives, often up in the face of police and obviously so demoralizing, physical assaults and going after their budget and that's also been the way, as these protesters are trying to tear them down in very personal ways. >> i first arrived in

new york city and started working here in 1989. those were sort of the dark days for the city, when you didn't want to stroll through central park without an armed guard. and the state attorneys general office is issuing this report in july, this month, and they have been overseen the minor offenses should be decriminalized and on the use of nonlethal and deadly force. take up those issues one at a

time. a commission that, and they are talking about tearing down a lot of what was working. going to rudy giuliani. and that rudy giuliani and the nypd focused on the little things that improve quality of life. if they were going after the window wall washers that are harassing the window washers. it all adds up to improving quality of life and strengthening the city and to be

able to achieve and flourish and provide more opportunity. so where the is this move, we have already been here. we know what it looks like and it's already bad over the course of the last few weeks. if you look over the course of the last week we actually have a greater chance of being shot then you do of dying from covid-19. on top of passing out masks, maybe you should be passing out vests as well. it's about going after the big crimes and the gang violence, and we want law abiding new yorkers. not worried about a victim of violence and law enforcement willing to protect you. >> minor offenses reducing

negative contact with police. it sounds like they don't want the offenders however small their offense might be. and you don't refer to broken windows policing, getting people who are responsible for small things. >> they chaired the business subcommittee there and through our work, they are going through organized retail theft. new york city are taking small things, and what i found from some of my colleagues and this has only grown over the course of the last several years, we

feel like it's these individuals that are doing the theft to get there is, to balance things out in society which is only fair that they should be able to steal something that might be a small product. you have yet to think of victim impact and the small offenses, if you are not going after them, what happens is, it's kind of like getting rid of the cashless bail in a way which started in new york in the beginning of the year. if you are allowed to get away with some of the small offenses you will start committing more of them and start getting passes. so you have to think through those consequences and the victim impact of that particular proposal. >> congressman lee zeldin, republican of new york, congressman, thank you. >> used to be president trump's deputy press secretary and now he has moved to the president's reelection campaign. hogan gidley will be live

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>> sandra: a couple big rulings from the supreme court coming out this morning. this morning the supreme court ruled out they must turn over tax records to new york prosecutors and it was a manhattan ruling, a 7-2 decision. with trump justices kavanaugh and or such, and they at least for now punted to the lower courts. that's the trump 2020 campaign a soul, instead of representing the white house who are representing the campaign. welcome in your new role this morning. first, your reaction on these new rulings from the highest court this morning? >> thank you so much for the welcome. i just say that this is obviously being kicked back down to the lower courts to be re-litigated. the problem is for the democrats, this exposes a purely partisan political attack that's

been going on against this president for the entire time and i hate to say this but, she was already litigated back in 2016. in the company he owns and the business dealings he's had and what did we find out? he is rich, he's a billionaire, he owns it and he was very successful in the private sector but he gave all that up to come to the president of the united states to make the american people's lives better. he has done that at every single turn and we will put that record up against anybody. >> sandra: the manhattan d.a. called this a tremendous victory on the part of his case and the president has responded saying that this is political prosecution. we will continue to get reaction, but even during these supreme court decisions coming down, and "the new york times" talking about conditions that

joe biden and one of which was the president should have to turn over his taxes first, and they agree to real-time fact-checking if they do that. he laid out these conditions, james carville went on another network and basically flipped the script and he does not mince words. >> and bernie sanders and, joe biden is trapped in this debate. >> i love that he points to the past debates of joe biden. it was only south carolina and you can't reach out like joe biden has done so many times and said please, please bring

you mean my documents i need to read off of the fact sheet. you will hear interesting comments from joe biden about how children loved his leg hair and he is to coax children up onto the porch during quarantines and he -- >> sandra: we are talking about whether or not the president wants to debate joe abiding, and who benefits the most from the debate? >> obviously the president of the united states, donald trump. how many gaps has joe biden had in the last little bit, forget the 50 years of politics that he has been involved with. the problem is as you well know 93% of negative news coverage against the president as he's improving the lives of all americans and they gloss over come the media does.

nonetheless the president wants to debate joe biden and wants to give the american people a choice side-by-side. when you see what he has done, this president re-negotiates the deal and that could lead to a 600,000 jobs. and on top of that, joe biden is waging a war on the american way of life. her jobs will not be safe, your family will not be safe and neither will your way or the life be of joe biden is elected. >> so that is on the part of the trump campaign. there are some massive advice on the part of the trump campaign as well. is that a sign of strength or weakness? that's the question we are

posing. this president's said real tangible possible accomplishments and when you see record low unemployment for african-americans, asian-americans and hispanic-americans and women employ to record numbers like they haven't seen, that's all because of the policies of the president. and they crippled our economy. they will never be listened to again, and they are back according because of the president. those ads simply go out there and point out the difference between the credible successes and, "abc news" is reporting that the campaign is considering displaying statues at future rallies, not exactly clear with

the statues would resemble. is that a plan? >> i'm not going to get ahead of what we do as far as planning is concerned, and sanitizer for those as well, and if you have any question or concern or confusion about how donald trump feels about the history of the country and the colossal titans upon whose shoulders we stand, the harriet tubman's, that thomas jefferson's, just go back and look at his speech in front of mount rushmore. and when she talked about how all men and all women are created equal, under the law, and because we are all created in the image of an almighty god, he wants equality and fairness in regards to race, religion, color or creed. >> sandra: hogan gidley joining us from the trump campaign, your first time joining us in that new role, we

appreciate it. >> jon: when it comes to getting our schools open again the cdc says it's not revising its guidelines even though president trump called them tough and expensive. but there could be some changes. admiral brett jarrard, assistant secretary of health is here and he will clarify everything for us d next. but my underwear. new always discreet boutique.

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>> sandra: vice president mike pence saying it's absolutely essential for students to get back into the classroom this fall. and great to have you on the program this morning admiral. because we are so limited with time from the breaking news from

the supreme court this morning, give us the pros and cons to getting our kids back in the classroom physically this fall. >> it is really vital, i'm a pediatrician and you've heard from the american people academy of pediatrics, children need to be in the degree that they can physically present to learn. this is not only critical for their physical development but their emotional filament and emotional health. we know many children have nutritional issues and emotional issues, all of these things are wrapped up in the schools. i think the thing we have to understand is we can get them back safely. we follow the cdc guidelines, we can get them back in the classroom and be safe at the same time. >> sandra: on the risk involved, i had a betsy devos and asked about the concerns that we may have from teachers.

might be older or a high risk category of exposing themselves in the classroom but also just in general and getting everybody back in a physical space. >> we know those who are vulnerable to the disease need to have special consideration and protection. that doesn't mean we don't take steps forward and how do you address those concerns. >> they are real concerns and you hear this echoed by the cdc and everyone, if, for example, a teacher is elderly and has multiple underlying conditions, they are at high risk. at special need to be made from them. overall on average people who are younger or healthier, certainly not over 80 or over 75, there is a way to do this. i just want to emphasize again, so much depends on what the circulating virus is.

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>> jon: a couple of big decisions up from the supreme court, the white house is generally characterizing them as a victory. democrats say not so much. a mixed bag. speed wise >> sandra: a white house press people just announced. let's do it again tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> jon: we will. speed when we begin with this fox news alert, president trump sounding off after a couple of supreme court rulings just today. the high court blocked congressional democrats from obtaining the president's tax and financial documents, and bumped the case back down to the lower court. however, in another case, the court ruled the president is not immune from a new york grand jury subpoena for those same records. the president tweeted shortly after. "this is all a political prosecution. i win the mueller witch hunt and others, and now i have to keep y