>> jon: a couple of big decisions up from the supreme court, the white house is generally characterizing them as a victory. democrats say not so much. a mixed bag. speed wise >> sandra: a white house press people just announced. let's do it again tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> jon: we will. speed when we begin with this fox news alert, president trump sounding off after a couple of supreme court rulings just today. the high court blocked congressional democrats from obtaining the president's tax and financial documents, and bumped the case back down to the lower court. however, in another case, the court ruled the president is not immune from a new york grand jury subpoena for those same records. the president tweeted shortly after. "this is all a political prosecution. i win the mueller witch hunt and others, and now i have to keep y corrupt new york.

not fair to this presidency or administration." but the president's personal attorney says they are pleased with at least some aspects of both rulings. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. her today, fox news correspondent gillian turner. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. joining us today in the center seat, fox news analyst and host of "one nation" on fox nation, lawrence jones. i pause there because it said we were going to go somewhere, but we are not. we are altogether. welcome, everybody. before we start this conversation, fox news at night anchor, shannon bream, is going to wrap everything that has just come out of the court. shannon, we have a lot of questions with you after the report. >> harris, great. i will set it up. let's walk through them. we have the first attempt to get to the president's tax returns, financial records, that comes from a new york state prosecutor.

the men nda out there. with the court decided, 7-2, both of the positions were offered by the chief justice. they can get to the president's records but it doesn't mean the cases wrapped up just yet. here's what he wrote. "these hold that the president is neither immune from subpoena seeking his private papers know are entitled to a heightened standard of need." but he also went on to say, listen, this case is probably going back to the district court, the very first level, and the president can raise additional arguments there if he wants to. it is billed as a big win for the d.a. there in manhattan and it is on the principle that a president is not immune from the state criminal subpoenas, but this case sounds like there's more to it. the president's team promising to keep relitigating that part of it. not done just yet. that debt with three democratically controlled house committees who said they also needed to get to the documents. so, the court wrote this. "congressional subpoenas for information from the president implicates special concerns

regarding the separation of powers. the courts below did not take adequate account of those concerns." he felt it laid out for different considerations about if it's narrowly tailored enough, how they really need the information. he said there could be other considerations, as well. kicking this back to the lower court saying these congressional subpoenas against the president can be legit, the lower courts did not fully flush out all of the criteria and make a full consideration. those are definitely being turned over to the house committees anytime soon. you mentioned jay sekulow reacting, saying this. "we are pleased in the "we are pleased that they blocked prosecutors from obtaining the financial records. we will not proceed to raid additional issues in the lower courts." all of this probably goes beyond november 3rd. back to you guys. >> harris: yeah, i want to start with this timing. i know our chad pergram on the hill, who is our correspondent on the hill, said to keep in mind that congressional

democrats like having the financial records/tax issue just before the election. it helps them feel conjecture and speculation. it is such an interesting point, even if this doesn't really unfold or move forward until after november 3rd. >> yeah. i mean, speculation is stock and trade on capitol hill. you can always, as we've seen with the mueller investigation and the russian investigation, we were told a number of times by top democrats that we have evidence of collusion. "we have it, it's there." they could say whatever they wanted, and because we didn't have the documents in the full investigation for mueller whose conclusion was that there was not collusion between those parties. you can speculate all you want. when transcripts aren't released of somebody's deposition, or an interview they have given on capitol hill, again, people can speculate. this is bad for the president, or it's great for the president. same thing here. i'm sure they will try to use it that way in the campaign year but i think they would have been

much more excited had actually gotten their hands on the documents and add them to use in the fall. >> harris: i wanted to stick in a hashtag when you said speculation is stock and trade on capitol hill. lawrence jones, everyone is standing by with questions for you. let me tell you that, shannon. i will start with lawrence. >> lawrence: hey, shannon. it's lawrence jones, here. harris alluded to the speculation, but nancy pelosi said in her press conference today that there was something there. she also said there was a russian connection that he was hiding. my question for you, i know the mueller investigation closed shop. as you alluded to, he didn't find anything at the time. does he have the authority to reopen an investigation if something is in these documents, or he may speculate there could be something to open up an investigation? >> i think that is done. i think what would happen is congress would want to open its own investigation. they love to do that. i don't think the timing is

going to work for them here, unless -- you know, they are continuing to fight if the president is reelected, in court, either months are used on the road. they get access to these documents but i think everyone raises the question, i don't think there will be a line on the president's tax return that says "payments for vladimir putin." the democrats can suggest such a thing exists or that there are transfers of funds that looks sketchy, that kind of thing. but i don't think you will see mueller 2.0 with -- i think that particular book is closed paid by the way, lawrence, you've been doing a great job out there on the streets. i've seen you on those really hot stories. i just wanted to say i thought you are doing fantastic. >> lawrence: thank you, my friend. >> harris: aww, so true. that's it for us, see everybody tomorrow. i'm just kidding. [laughter] lisa boothe? >> lisa: i concur! [laughter] i concur about lawrence. >> lawrence: thank you. [laughs] >> harris: we talked a little bit about the politics. i want to go deeper on that

issue with both you and jessica and get both sides of the coin here if we can. as we inch our way toward a presidential election, the speculation may be stock in trade on capitol hill, but i've got to guess the american people are exhausted by it all. they are living in a world right now where the facts really do save our lives. we've got the pandemic, we got protesting in the streets, and being infiltrated by those who would do harm and violence. knowing the facts on the ground are really important. do you think there's much of a palate to discuss what things might be with regard to these cases? >> lisa: the good news for president trump, clearly doesn't want his tax returns out there and it looks like that will be the case. that this will be resolved until after election day. so he won't have to release his taxes. i don't blame him for not wanting to release the taxes. attorney general bill barr has said that it's actually the resisters who are destroying norms and institutions in this

country, shredding the rule of law. i found what chief justice roberts said about the separation of powers and concerns about overreach particularly notable. what we have seen from democrats is weaponizing the impeachment process for political means and weaponizing that as a political tool. we have also seen them lie to the public about russia collusion. we knew that obama officials were saying behind-the-scenes that they had no evidence of it. we also saw them accuse supreme court justice brett kavanaugh of gang rape. we have seen democrats really showed the rule of law in this country and destroy norms and institutions. it's a shame. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: i think it's interesting to be having this conversation the day after lieutenant colonel vindman, he testified against the president during that "sham" impeachment trial, resigned from the military.

his lawyer stipulate and bet because of retribution for president trump and others in power, he was never going to get the promotion he so rightly deserve. we can look at john bolton as someone who has confirmed he deserves that promotion. in terms of what the american public to be interested in come election day, i think it's a really important nate silver speculated this morning he thinks this could be a good thing for president trump if we are talking about tax returns versus covid-19. i tend to agree with him. this argument that we can walk and chew gum i think it's a decent one, and that we should move ahead with this. i'm sure cy vance is readying his subpoenas, especially for deutsche bank, right at this moment. but we do have a global health pandemic. we have lost 130,000 plus americans so far. that number will only increase. we need to know whether our kids are going back to school, whether that is safe. it's the number one issue. i do want to make sure the democrats keep their eye on the prize, which is focusing on americans' health and holding

trump and his administration to account for their failures in handling this health pandemic. >> harris: all right. gillian? >> gillian: i have a question for shannon, which is, shannon, we all know the supreme court justices are apolitical by design. they take pains to avoid wading into political waters. they have an intense desire to not unduly influence politics, four months out from a general election. when you are talking to the justices, shannon, and when you are talking to their aids, do you get a sense for many of then factored into their decision to toss the case backed onto the lower courts? was that something that factored actively into the decision? >> they wouldn't tell us that. but there's a lot of speculation that the chief justice in writing these opinions left some open doors.

so maybe these documents wouldn't be out there and in place for the fall. he really does try to take the narrowest path possible, not wanting the court to get dragged into politics. knowing both of these will still have a lower court proceedings, it does delay them. potentially, unless something really strange happens, past the election. i think back to 26 and we were in the middle of the last presidential election. your member that justice ginsburg got into trouble a little bit for making some comments about then candidate donald trump. even at that point she talked about -- she raised a question, how has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? how has he not done that? she called him a phony and a fake. she had a lot to say about him. thinking about that today, when the case came back essentially saying the president, in some way, shape, or form can't evade the subpoenas, she had already been publicly out there questioning why he didn't and turnover his tax returns. we saw the piece that biden should refuse to debate the president unless he turns over

his tax returns. if that's part of the argument, the left is not going to get that from the supreme court. they won't give them that political gift going into this fall, as per your question, gillian. >> harris: that is so interesting, too, what you are talking about with ruth bader ginsburg. i don't know if everybody had remembered that front of mind, but it does matter and it speaks to the issue of whether the court overtly is more political than it ever has been before. it is not helpful, because we look at the highest court in the land to make these decisions based on the constitution and based on law. shannon, i know you've been digging further and you got a little bit more news for us. i want to hand over the mantle to you now to bring us that. >> yeah, you know, you look at the dissents in these cases, both her wrist both were written byjustice ali. there's a part of it that goes even further thinking that the president is necessarily going to be -- or a president should necessarily be subject to the

subpoenas. the argument from the majority in both these cases, the congressional one goes on, the underlying principle with regard to state criminal subpoenas seems fairly set by the court that the president can be drawn into that, as well. they also left room saying the president can specific a challenge, and state and federal court, each subpoena that comes forward, factually. they say, "listen, it's import to look at what ways on the president. the obligations on his time come over there it's politically motivated." there was a rewarding dish that if you have an opposing party in the white house, and sitting in the house of representatives, you always have to be cautious. whether it's a republican or democrat running the country, that the opposing party could use the subpoenas simply to harass and try to dress them up as having some legislative function. so there are warnings there, as well, harris. >> harris: wow. you wonder why people say, "well, let's just backtrack the government at every step." because these games get played. real quickly, lisa and jessica,

you guys actually talked to each other per my kind of moderating in this conversation. did either of you have a question? maybe jessica for shannon, real quick before we go? >> jessica: thanks so much, harris. hi, shannon. great job this morning and throughout the last couple weeks will be actually getting supreme court rulings. i am curious what you think the next move will be for cyber cy vance. deutsche bank said they will comply with the subpoena that is coming. what the administration is going to say now in terms of pushback against the argument that the majority has made, that no one is above the law. this is an argument that people have been making as president trump since the beginning. everybody has released their tax returns except for him. if you have any thoughts on how they will keep defending against that, i'd love to hear it. >> as you know, and as you noted, the companies have always said, "when we get the final legal ruling, will comply. we won't fight the subpoenas ourselves." the compliance will definitely

come. that underlying principle that a president has to comply with a federal subpoena is definitely set in stone. what is interesting is, at the very end of the majority opinion, he leaves that little window open saying on these two fronts the issue of absolute immunity and the heightened standard of being against a president, we will have to comply with that. but then the chief justice writing for the majority says the second circuit, the nest court down, said it has to go back to the district court, which is the lowest level. if the language was "may raise additional arguments there." i think his team will latch onto that to say, "well, our argument is it needs to go back to the district court, and maybe we'll raise additional arguments there." if nothing else, even if they ultimately lose, it buys them time. which is what i think they will do with regard to vance. "hey, listen, we get another chance of the district court. want to fight on another ground now." we will see. the second circuit will have to weigh in and let us know where this case goes next.

>> harris: it has been a busy week, shannon. thank you so very much for staying on all the rulings at the high court. we'll see you tonight on fox news that night, 11:00 p.m. eastern. pop your corn, your night is made. >> see you there. [laughs] >> harris: joe biden has made a new attempt to win over bernie sanders voters, as the biden-sanders task force releases its policy recommendations. however, republicans are quickly pouncing. keep watching, just ahead. >> on some of the major issues facing this country, if that agenda is implemented, life will improve for tens and tens of millions of working people. ♪ ear lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $3000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered.

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>> harris: democratic presidential nominee joe biden

hit the campaign trail in pennsylvania today, as the biden-sanders unity task force, as they're calling it, has released its democratic party policy proposal. senator sanders touted the agenda put forward by the team. here is a bit of that. >> i was glad to work with the vice president informing six separate task forces, which have some of the nose knowledgeable people in the country coming together to deal with education and climate change and health care and the economy and criminal justice and immigration reform. the compromise that they came up with, if implemented, will make biden the most progressive president since fdr. >> harris: i made those comments, and rnc spokesperson pointed out the task force actually lifted numerous passages word for word from sanders' own previous platform, and tweeted, "reminder,

joe biden and bernie sanders are two sides of the same far left coin." you know, it's interesting, lawrence, that this might be where joe biden would have to go. lean this far left in order not to lose support within his own party. he's already gotten to the point where there is nobody challenging him and his party. but what does that tell us about democrats? >> lawrence: there's a couple things. he needs the progressive voters in this next election, and they weren't pleased with joe biden being the nominee. i think pretty much everyone figured, despite the gaps and how he was doing in the polls, he would eventually be the nominee. he needs those voters. one of those things i have learned from my reporting and travel around the country for the last two years is that a lot of people misunderstand bernie sanders' power. he is not a democrat, but he has a lot of influence on the democratic party. there's a couple things. he is not really worried about being president.

he wants generational change. through a revolution and local elections, he is very influential. that means getting members of congress as well as local office people elected. there is power getting surrogates on the ground to believe in his ideology. he has been able to push the party to the left because of not just him and all the other people he is able to get elected as a result. i would caution people, when you look at this election right now and you look at his influence, yeah, maybe he won't get everything that he wants, but that's not really his goal. his goal is to change the way people look at the democratic party and how america looks overall in years to come. >> harris: lisa, is this that joe biden we've always known? part of the criticism for him, because he has run for president two times before and not gotten far doing it -- he certainly

didn't win -- what part of the criticism has been they are trying to get to know who he is. there is that crime bill legislation that was pushed through when he was in office, as a senator. and then as vice president. for eight years of that. his politics have shifted a bit according to critics. is this another shift that we see? >> lisa: well, they've shifted a lot. i think that's why, even though joe biden has been up in some polling, there's not a lot of enthusiasm for his candidacy because i think voters don't know where he stands. clearly bernie sanders and progressive see him as weak and valuable, and they can form his presidency, if he was to win, to their vision. i think the biggest thing president trump can do in contrast is to paint joe biden as a weak and feckless leader. the way he can do that is by being a leader himself. we've seen president trump take those steps recently, whether it's online order and the doj actually going after these

criminals who are defacing federal property and the taking down of statues. we saw that with president trump the other day, standing side-by-side with mexican president obrador to celebrate the usmca, huge victory for president trump and his administration. or even calling for schools to reopen and the economy to reopen, and calling out some of those leaders who are failing to do so in their state. i think that is the best contrast for president trump, showing that joe biden is this week leader who doesn't have what it takes to be commander in chief, and for president trump to stand up as that commander-in-chief and leader of the country needs. >> harris: i am anticipating rebuttals from jessica tarlov. jessica? >> jessica: [laughs] i think so, too. thank you, harris, for this opportunity. lisa, let's do. [laughter] if you look at the recent pulling on every single issue, now including the economy, joe biden is either outright in the leader within the margin of error.

he's leading in the wall street journal poll. in terms of being a weak and feckless leader, 74% of americans think the countries on the wrong track, and that includes 63% of republicans at this point. biden is up about 10 nationally and pulling coming out, even from rasmussen. that's probably the only rasmussen poll he hasn't tweeted out in order to praise himself. the country is definitely strongly considering going in another direction, and that direction is actually going back to the obama years and having joe biden at the helm. i would say like i did in the first segment that what's going on with covid-19 as they number one issue, health care -- lisa, you know this as well as i do, it's critically important. and biden is favored by over 20 points as a person in the best place to handle that, as well as dealing with police violence and the black lives matter movement. and race relations more generally in this country. in terms of taking on bernie sanders' platform, joe biden did reject two central planks. medicare for all and the green new deal, which are huge,

important policy proposals for bernie sanders in the progressive wing. what i see right now as i see unity, and lawrence's right, we need progressive voters. if you look at the recent numbers, we have 100% of war and supporters backing biden and only about 4% of bernie sanders' supporters who are not standing behind biden. they know it's a binary choice and they want to make sure joe biden is in office come november. >> harris: i want to slide in, because you mentioned a couple things that were not mentioned in the biden-sanders recommendation of medicare for all green new deal. the list is a little bit longer. one other thing pops out. full federal legalization of marijuana. there are some areas where they did not come together. gillian, when you hear bernie sanders talking about "i was glad to work with the vice president," so on and so forth, do you still think there's some arm wrangling or maybe some sort of promise-making going on behind the scenes within the democratic party trying to get the progressive people to go

through biden? where he can kind of count on bernie followers to come with him. >> gillian: to that point, harris, it's really notable that bernie sanders said that this plan and practice would make joe biden the most progressive president since fdr, and not joe biden himself. this unity plan really gave bernie sanders the opportunity to signal to his own base, the far left contingent, more progressive wing of the democratic party, that, number one, his campaign was not for naught. and moving in a direction they like. it's clear that they would deliver policies that those same voters would be happy with. remember, biden's records, for decades in service, show he's a moderate. his primary preoccupation is not with unifying the more liberal

and more moderate wing of the democratic party. his main priority right now is really, what he says, getting america back on track. pulling us back from the direction which president trump has gone. not at all signaling he's going to be moving far left, in step with ocasio-cortez and that contingent of his flank. >> harris: all right, we'll scoot. the nypd is seeing a huge fight and retirements amid a drop in morale. the potential fallout as violent crime in the city is surging. andy live look now, new york city's mayor bill de blasio, the one the governor said he would like to -- is following through with his promise to paint "black lives matter" in front of trump tower on fifth avenue. he is there at this event and they are painting this live. this is "outnumbered." we are coming right back. ♪

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>> harris: the nypd is reportedly about to put a limit on the number of retirement applications which officers can file. we have learned there has been a sudden increase in police officers quitting the force with the funding cuts and clashes with protesters. "the new york post" is reporting 179 officers filed for retirement and just the past week. that is an astounding 411% increase over the same period last year. 503 police officers filed for retirement between may 25th and the day george floyd was killed in minneapolis on july 3rd. that is a 75% increase alone. let's take a look at los angeles where the police department reportedly is probing whether the unusual spike in officers calling in sick over the july 4th weekend was a case of the so-called "blue flu," an orchestrated protest among fed up officers. lisa, i come to you on this.

morale was already hurting, particularly in nypd. we did a town hall on the spike in suicides among officers. they were already dealing with some issues there and recruitment. this has been a crush on them in terms of facing what has happened in just the last couple months. >> lisa: absolutely, harris. what a terrifying time to be a police officer. in the country, all you have to do is look what happened in the rayshard brooks case to be terrified. a police officer is facing felony murder charges because he defended himself against a violent criminal who attacked the police officer and then pointed a deadly weapon at him. the reason we know it was a deadly weapon is the district attorney there, paul howard, said a taser is a deadly weapon just weeks prior. mind you, that seemed district attorney is facing a runoff, i think is doing it for a political purpose, and is facing a criminal investigation himself for misuse of funds. if you are a police officer, you

can't even defend yourself in this country without facing charges. why would anyone be a police officer right now under those circumstances? >> harris: there are some facts that frustrate whether or not that was the sense. that's part of the investigation, one was shot in the back and the other was he hadn't pulled that weapon yet. but i hear what you're saying. lawrence? >> lisa: well, we all saw the video as well, but... >> lawrence: the big thing for me is that we say i want cops to look at me as an individual and not judge me by the bad offenders they may have arrested before. i think we should treat cops the same way. we shouldn't generalize all cops. i would like to tell people that there is some real danger here when there is not law enforcement on the ground. everybody that i know right now is fighting to get the bad cops off the force. i think there is a real conversation to have there. we also need the good ones here. i just got back from chicago, interviewing the family of a

7-year-old that was shot in the head in a gang war. there were 64 shootings in new york city just over the weekend. i mean, there has to be a healthy balance here. you cannot generalize all cops, but you also cannot restrain their hands so that they can't get the bad guys off the street. i think we are heading in that direction. as a result, we are going to be less safe. >> harris: i'm looking at the numbers. in new york alone, when you talk about cutting a billion dollars and defunding the police by that amount, gillian, my concern is you drill down and it's between 50600 to specialize. and i've had police officers, detectives, tell me this, in areas of crime prevention and crime investigation. that does make us less safe. i'm wondering where we are going with this conversation, when i don't know anybody who won't call 911 if they are in trouble. who do they think is going to

get there? >> well, this is part of -- this debate over defunding the police, what it's trying to get at. who do we then rely on as society, who are we left with? they are looking, as i understand the debate, to proposing some kind of community service workers, social services, to help deal with emergencies. but, that aside, the fundamental issue here is that being a cop on a city street in america today is one of the most challenging, one of the most dangerous jobs that there is. and the morale and the culture of serving in the blue uniform is hugely, hugely important to pretty much every officer out there. they are now facing -- this is according to police have interviewed in the last week -- they compared it to military culture. they talk about the fact that, imagine going out and trying to do your job every day when you know that a serious contingent of the people you are trying to serve are arguing about whether

they want to entirely defunding you. whether they want to essentially eliminate your job. you add that to imminent danger 24 hours a day, and it becomes exponentially tougher for them to do their jobs. >> harris: you mentioned that military component. i would just add that about 19% of our police forces across the country are made up of military veterans. there is a direct connection in some places, specifically in some departments, gillian, to what you're talking about in terms of how they do a job, how they are looked upon, and how necessary they really are. lawrence hits the nail on the head. everybody wants people on their forces to identify them and move them out of the way you are not part of the program with keeping us all safe. i promise, jessica, we will hit you on the flip. the trump administration is ramping up efforts to get america's schools to open this fall. the latest push to get students back in the classroom. stay close. ♪ (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst...

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>> gillian: the white house is ramping up efforts to reopen america's schools this fall. vice president mike pence says the cdc will be updating school reopening guidelines following criticism from president trump. now education secretary betsy devos on fox news is elaborating about president trump's threat to cut federal funding for schools which refused to reopen. take a listen. >> if schools aren't going to reopen, we are not suggesting pulling funding from education. instead, allowing families, let the families take that money and figure out where their kids can get educated. schools can reopen safely and they must reopen. kids need to be in the classro classroom. >> harris: okay, >> gillian:this was "america's a couple hours ago. something secretary devos was asked, jessica, is whether that abutment of education degrees of president trump when he says

schools should reopen in the fall essentially no matter what. whether they can meet the cdc guidelines are not. she doubled down, took a step further, and said not only does the deprived of education want schools to reopen in the fall, we never recommended that they close in the first place back in the winter. jessica, what say you? >> jessica: i say that i'm deeply disturbed by the fact that we heard from dr. birx yesterday that we don't have very much data about transmission around kids. we've been focusing on people with symptoms and those over the age of 18, and everybody who is a parent or know somebody was a parent, which is all of us since we have parents, knows that when a kid comes into the house with a cold, everybody in the house gets that cold. that is the real risk there. i hope that betsy devos will expand what she was saying about giving funds to helping parents with the fees or the cost of doing homeschooling, because it looks increasingly like that's what's going happen. i really hope the administration doesn't try to strong-arm schools into doing something

that is not going to be health-conscious for kids and, by extension, the people they live with. >> gillian: harris, you've interviewed a lot of school administrators, parents, and teachers the last few months on this issue during the pandemic. you know, one of the major issues here, as you well know, is that a lot of america's public schools are already massively underfunded. when the cdc is now telling them that in order to reopen they want them to do extra deep cleaning every day, they want them to install physical barriers, they want desks to be 6 feet or more apart, this all costs a lot of money. most of the budgets are already stretched to the max. >> harris: yeah. so, the president certainly made that point. he called this guy that it's expensive and he wants to take a relook and we will see what the next round of guidelines will look like. i guess the white house will huddle with the cdc. that's what we were sort of told

this week. but there is a bigger issue here, and that is that digital learning mode really revealed some things about our schools. you talk about budgets, it really revealed a divide economically for kids in poor areas across the country. some of them were not actually able to do the at-home digital learning, because the materials were not supportive of them. they did not all have tablets, so on and so forth. even if they get back in the classroom, some of them are going to be behind. you have a lot of parents already asking, why didn't we try to do something earlier this summer to shore them up? there are great basic questions that still need to be dealt with. parents have to engage, and they are being engaged with. i know we were taking surveys and doing town halls and whatnot virtually with teachers, where we are lucky to be able to do that with educational administrations. but i'm surprised, politically, how much top down we are seeing in a republican administration with the department of education. i have to say, i am a little

caught off guard by that. i didn't think they were in favor of that. >> gillian: certainly a great point. there's a digital divide, harass, that has now impacted grade school students in america. we have to leave it there, but coming up next, new york city mayor bill de blasio participating in painting the words "black lives matter" on the street outside trump tower today. this, despite the president already criticizing the move. a lot of folks asking, is this the right move from new york's mayor? will debate coming up next. ♪ is that net carbs or total?...

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>> harris: new york city mayor bill de blasio was helping a group paint "black lives matter" on the street outside trump tower today. we understand he has now done his photo op, did some painting with the reverend al sharpton. all of this, despite president trump himself criticizing this idea last week. the president tweeted this. "nyc is cutting police funding by $1 billion, and yet the mayor is going to paint a big expensive yellow "black lives matter" sign on fifth avenue, denigrating this luxury avenue. this will further antagonize new york's finest who love new york and vividly remember the horrible blm chant "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon."

the mayor called those comments the definition of racism." i come to you is this visual is being shorn up now. it looks like they're putting putting the finishing touches on it. >> lawrence: yeah, i've made my thoughts very clear on the reforms that need to take place. that being said, i think black people have been saying this for a while. we've been talking about -- i think we are having a fantastic conversation about inequality, and improving the relationship. somewhere down the line, people started to hear -- even though no one said it, "show me your virtue." that is the thing that has begun to disgust me, because it seems like the conversation is shifting from progress and legislation, conversation, it is shifting from that to a lot of pictures and changing names of staff, and that is not productive. no one cares. >> harris: i think the buzz

term of the day is "virtue signaling." that's what i'm hearing. jessica? >> jessica: mayor de blasio is incredibly unpopular and this isn't going to help anything, because the health pandemic -- when you have 400% of your officers calling in sick or voicing concerns, potentially retiring, maybe you should be focusing on doing your job. this has happened in a number of cities. i don't necessarily feel like it is a problem to do these kinds of murals, but the mayor has got to have better things to do then photo ops and i wish he did his job. >> harris: we have them up on the screen with the viewers can see the president delma ash -- the president labels and a symbol of hate. what do you think about that? >> lisa: i think it should be concerning to everyone at the country's mainstreaming a marxist organization that is going to cities and burned down buildings, cause violence, sake dominick said things like "pigs

in a blanket, fry them like bacon." who wants to disassemble the nuclear family in the country. you can differentiate between supporting black lives and believing black lives matter in this country, because of course they do, while all also denouncing an organization that has roots and things like marxism. and they have american companies donating to this organization and people painting it on streets. >> harris: gillian, you get the last word on this. >> gillian: i spent a lot of times the past month at black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c., out right near the white house. what i could tell you about this is, once these words are on the street, people will congregate there and will become the new center of protest inside the very beating heart of new york city. >> harris: you know you are going to need the police in order to be there for all of those gatherings. i mean, that is typically how it works. everybody feels like they are protected and served.

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