great heroes. they are ripping down our heroes. when they take down those statues and the monuments, when they take down george washington and they take down abraham lincoln, and ulysses s. grant, and when they take down these people, and abolitionist. think of it, abolitionists are being -- because i think most of them don't even know what they are doing. and we are not going to be venezuela. >> sean: i did like what a friend of the program said, this garden of heroes that will represent every american from every background. mr. president, we have gone just a little long here. thank you for your time, we appreciate you being with us, and 117 days to go. >> president trump: thank you very much. thank you. >> sean: live free or america dies. hannity.com. let not your heart be troubled. at laura ingraham, i owe you 35 seconds and i'm paying you back tomorrow. >> laura: oh, really?

okay. >> laura: now, no. first of all, i enjoyed it. i didn't mind it one bit. i enjoyed what he said about kanye. in the end, he's going to vote for the president. i like it. >> sean: his boldness. he so original, i like original people. >> laura: it was good, i didn't mind at all. kanye west, an interesting guy and in the end he wants the best of the country, so i think it was fascinating. i missed the last half-hour because i had to get ready but i will watch it later. >> sean: i'm coming to you early. >> laura: okay, levin tonight, you have to go watch levin. it was awesome! he ripped the democrats -- >> sean: that's why we call him the great one. >> laura: it was hilarious and that's why i'm tweeting it out. get the links, i'm tweeting it. it was fantastic. i am laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight.

while the police force were tires in droves, new york mayor bill de blasio was personally putting the finishing touches on a black lives matter mural on trump tower. that will create a lot of jobs, bill. you don't want to miss it, it's going to be a scorcher. also, ignoring the signs on the covid has induced a more un-american life. we are now seeing this play out as colleges are curtailing and canceling football and other fall sports. former coach, the great lou holtz is here to tell us why losing football is devastating for the american psyche. but first, biden's america last campaign, that's the focused of tonight's "angle." joe biden's campaign must obviously not be too confident in the polls, showing him up over the president, because if he was really confident, why would he attempt a policy

makeover this late in the campaign? why would a guy who has been one of the worst apologists for globalism suddenly tried to out-trump trump by selling himself as a passionate believer in america first populism? >> we are going to double this foreign tax, the tax on foreign profits so we don't encourage people to leave. i do not accept the defeat that forecasted automation and globalization means we can't keep well-paying jobs here in america and create more of them. i do not buy for one second that the vitality of american manufacturing is a thing of the past. >> laura: where have we heard that before? donald trump! biden is suddenly mimicking him because his handlers know it's a huge weak spot. they know that in order to win maggie's going to need some of that blue-collar love from voters in pennsylvania, ohio, and wisconsin.

now don't forget that according to real clear politics, voters still approve of president trump's handling of the economy so joe's team, i think they think he should say something about the economy, other than promising to lock it down. of course, he has nothing to say. he is 50 years to build a record on economic issues and he utterly failed. like the rest of his campaign, bidens economic claims are just another act. they are sleight of hand. based campaign views that most americans aren't that smart and that the press of course will provide cover for all of his mistakes. now, after all, this is the same guy who voted for one bad trade deal after another, including both nafta and that catastrophic decision to normalize trade relations with china. now that colossal mistake of a bill not only fast tracked china's entry into the wto, but it also gutted american industry and it destroyed and millions american jobs.

forget almost that biden was a vocal supporter of the trans-pacific partnership. that was a deal that was so bad even hillary clinton could not defend it. she backed away from it. now, to be fair to biden, he probably didn't think too hard about any of these votes. after all, he's a senator from delaware. he was. where lots of multinational companies get their charters, and he's probably just doing as he was told, just like he will do as he gets into the white house. now, you'd think that a guy with almost five decades of political experience would be proud to tout his record. but not joe biden. after decades of doing whatever the globalists wanted and pushing for policies and treaties that gutted american jobs and drove down wages, he wants you to believe that now at the age of almost 80, he's finally seen the error of his ways. at long last, he'll abandon the clinton-obama internationalist playbook. so all of a sudden he trundled

over to scranton and reads a speech designed to make him sound like someone who really cares about american workers? the whole charade is absurd on its face. it's basically an insult to our intelligence. democrats have told us time and time again what they really think of saving key american industries. now remember, he was vice president for eight years. the democrats had plenty of time to revise nafta, stand up to china, and push policies that would lead to higher wages. they didn't do any of that. instead, they promoted exactly the same type of outsourcing policies that the bushes in the clintons pushed, and biden was with him every step of the way. you want to know what joe and his party really think of american workers? listen to them in their own words. >> anybody could go down 300 to 3,000 feet in a mine sure can learn how to program as well. anybody can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for god sake.

it's bigger we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. >> some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back. >> laura: he's going to wave his magic wand. who's going to be able to renegotiate these deals, obama said. well, trump was. why am i not surprised that people who despise america would also despise american workers? thank god trump never believed that defeatist nonsense. trump didn't just promised to revise nafta, he got new provisions in it that would make it harder to shape auto jobs to mexico. and he didn't just promised to stand up to china, he whacked them with tariffs for their cheating. and he didn't just promise to resist international bureaucrats, he shut down the wto's dispute settlement system in response to its obvious anti-american bias. so is joe biden's likely to continue fighting for american workers in the same way? of course not. don't make me laugh, okay? i'm already laughing through his speech today. the mom of the first canadian or

european bureaucrat raises an eyebrow, the moment the first member of the press asks a hard question, the moment the first ceo gets biden on the phone, his administration will cave and a outsourcing begins again. of course, all of this will help the rich. big hedge funds will be thrilled. they are desperate for the days of easy returns by selling out to the ccp. and biden is just their man. look at it this way, if job were truly a made in the usa kind of guy, what a guy like mike bloomberg be supporting him? ignore the happy talk and the big blue collar events. to understand biden's real agenda, we don't have to look any further than the 110 page document released yesterday, a joint product of the biden campaign and the bernie burrows. i prefer to call it bidens road map to ruin. now, climate task force will push for a green new deal and cause for th the new u.s. to ren

the paris accord. well-known nationalists john kerry and aoc. say goodbye to the u.s. energy sector, my friend. too bad, texas. tough luck, pennsylvania. then the criminal justice task force, that will boast an impressive roster of big thinkers, including senator biden aid simone sande sanders. "the washington post" described her as someone who pushed the campaign to be wary of language that frustrates black activists, urging staffers to avoid the term white working class. mr. fast and furious himself, former obama aide eric holder also took part. their demands are a law enforcement nightmare. federal use of force standard making it easier to sue polic police, national registry of police officers who abused power, whatever that means. repealing mandatory minimums, expunging all past convictions for pot and juvenile criminal activity. no prison time at all for failure to pay fines for child

support. no cash bail, and appointing activist judges, that will be a varsity sport. so there's a lot in here that's great for tony soprano and his crew, may be, but nothing for law-abiding citizens. for biden and his team, that is what you get for liking america. of course, such an array of radical ideas is only going to ensure more -- and is and you are trying a lot of these proposals and defining them as we speak? look at what is happening there. massive crime, the president talked about it tonight. people with money or leaving new york city in droves. so imagine those policies of bill de blasio coming to a neighborhood near you. unlike biden, trump doesn't have to pretend to believe in america first. he's already proven it. >> it was always, china will catch america, we took in tens of billions of dollars in tariffs that they paid for. our immigration system has

stretched far beyond the breaking point. to confront this national security crisis, i declared a national emergency. many emergency declarations have been used to protect people in faraway nations. now we are protecting, finally, our people. under my administration, we've delivered $1.5 billion for a public charter schools. that's a record. >> laura: watching biden, on the other hand, try to pretend to care about the schools, the kids, the blue-collar workers, it's almost repellent. almost every action in his career and of his party now, and virtually everything the democrat party wants to today it represents an attack on the middle-class, traditional american families, working americans. team biden would ship your jobs to china and lock you in your homes. they would shut down churches and schools, they would let writers salute and burn, they would punish the police and free

the criminals. this november, pay no attention to empty democrat promises about all the free stuff they are finally going to give you. i've been listening to those promises my whole life. if they had any meaning, we would all be on easy street by now. remember the jobs we lost to china? the storefronts destroyed by the riots? the cops threatened and humiliated by left wing nuts? the kids who still can't go to school? that's the real democratic party, and they are coming for you. and that's "the angle." joining me now as larry kudlow, white house economic advisor. larry, good to see you tonight. if biden -- >> thank you. >> laura: was serious about empowering american workers, he did the big populist pushed today, why didn't he actually do that during his 40 plus years in d.c.? >> that's a good point. he had his chance, particularly with obama last day here before

president trump. we had one of the worst recoveries in history. look, you go down the list and look at that campaign, documents, first of all, he intends to repeal every tax cut that president trump put an end to rejuvenate the economy, and let me make this point, despite the mantra of the democrats that all tax cuts help the rich, the trump tax cuts did exactly what we hoped. that is middle income, blue-collar workers, lower wage workers performed the best. not only are they the lowest unemployment rate in history but there wage increase was faster than the top 1%. and the unemployment rates for african-americans and hispanics and asians and women were historic lows. plus, biden is going to add new texas. today he said, by the way, he doesn't want to have a stock market, he doesn't want to have shareholders involved in the stock market.

besides pension funds and even union pension funds, 51% are invested in the stock market, which i might add is up 40% since -- he's going to rewrite all of the regulatory reductions that president trump put in to help small businesses and workers. >> laura: that's going to be a nightmare. a nightmare. >> he is for the green new deal, which will end -- he can talk about coal mines all he wants but if you go with the green new deal, that means all fossil fuels gone. >> laura: larry, let me get in here, because i think what biden said he is, obviously, he's at a disadvantage in arguing these points. it's obvious, his whole career speaks to internationalism and supporting jobs to china. but he also can say now, because you all haven't done it, i'm going to bring back drug manufacturing. i'm going to do this. trump says he would do it, i'm going to do it.

why hasn't the trump administration moved on that order? i know peter navarro and others have been pushing it with reporters today. why are we not bringing back some of these drugs and bringing them back stat, to use a medical term? >> that's exactly what we are trying to do, not only pharmaceuticals, but semiconductors -- >> laura: what's holding it up? >> there's nothing holding it up, when we come out with our program -- we are already in discussion with lots of companies based in china. we had a discussion today, a leading semiconductor company is selling their factories in china and coming back home. we will give them the lowest corporate tax rate, we will give them perhaps tax credits, certainly 100% expenses. we may use some government funds to pay for their moving costs. we have a whole campaign plan. we are warning american investors not to invest in chinese stocks because of the fraudulent accounting.

the savings plan and the railroad retirement fund, so we are doing exactly that and we are taking steps to deal with this hong kong disaster. i don't think it's right to say we haven't done it, we've been doing it. and the tax reform itself, we made it so easy to repatriate profits and capital come back to the united states. in a second trump term you will see a lot more of that. >> laura: you can commit tonight that we will bring back these crucial drugs and the manufacturing, even if the price goes up a little bit at home, in order to secure our stockpile of critical medication. >> i think, laura, that we learned, and not the only country, other countries, but the united states learned that china is not to be trusted, period. false. and that we cannot rely on these long complicated supply chains coming out of china. i think you'll see the whole business community. you will see business school professors saying now that

supply chains don't work, got to bring them back home because china is not reliable, they're not the only ones who are unreliable but i hear the same thing from people around the world so that is going to be a major change. but we have got to continue low taxes and deregulation and fair trade deals. if we do that, we will come through this pandemic. i think we will get 20% growth in the second half. hopefully the virus hot spots will be subdued and medicated and i think we're going to have a big bang in 2021. we were coming into the strong, you know that. deregulation works, the energy works, the trade works. we just had the usmca, we just had the usmca, the president was here, a lot of goodwill -- >> laura: larry, real quick. isn't it really important that people understand, comparing our response to covid to europe's response, our economy is faring far better than the major

european countries. i don't think a lot of voters know that, but if you look at the charts, it's undeniable. trump policies posed to covid are seminar work and come economically. biden wants to turn it all back by locking us all down. a real quick, larry. >> we have a strong v-shaped recovery. they were covering in europe, by the way, but we do have a strong recovery. let me just say this in closing, i and concerned about the virus hot spots and i will say this, if you want to reopen our economy, if you want to let the president rebuild the economy for the second time, the best thing we can do is take the safety measures, use the face masks, the president said that tonight with sean, keep the distance income of the testing is so important in the hot spots, and personal hygiene. if you practice that then we will stabilize the hot spots and we will be off to the races for a strong economy. that is where we started and it can continue. >> laura: thanks for joining

us. great to see you tonight. and american cities are already getting a preview of what life will be like under the biden administration. angry mobs, burning down businesses, defacing monuments. of course we see the ramp in a crime. an all-out assault on police by the people who are supposed to be leading the people and keeping them safe. it will only get worse if biden wins. joining me now, bernie kerik, former nypd commissioner. you heard me, no cash bail, and a prison for not paying child support, i don't need to repeat the whole thing. this is what biden's plan is. what will that mean for american streets, neighborhoods, communities? >> chaos. chaos, violent crime, murder. we already know in every one of the democratic cities in the country, the major cities like chicago and baltimore and milwaukee, minnesota, places like that, they are already the highest crime, the highest violent crime, the highest murder rate. it's only going to get worse.

this diminishing, defining the police department is going to create mass chaos. we are seeing it right here with the reductions that this mayor has already started on reducing the district crime units. >> laura: well, the nypd, bernie, is seeing this disturbing mass exit is. 179 cops filed for retirement between june 29th and monday. 411% increase over the 35 who filed during the same period last year. so, this is exactly what the black lives matter and the radical left want to see happen, right? drive police out of the streets, drive police off the forest and demoralize the populations, say, okay, i will vote for biden to make it stop, i guess. >> that is with the mayor did today, by standing on fifth avenue in drawing that mural for black lives matter, knowing that this is a trained

marxist group, that they are inspired by a domestic terrorist convicted of killing a cop, that they have called for the murder of cops, that they yell and chant pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon, the only good cops are dead cops. they're responsible for all the riots and 44 states, 76 cities, they've injured 500 cops. he's out there painting that mural? you know what that says every new york city cop? i despise you. i despise you. and he himself, i've got to remind people of this, he is no better than the founders of black lives matter, the marxists. he himself is a marxist. if you go back to 1987 when he was 26 years old, he was a guy standing out there saying nicaragua's troubles are my troubles too, supporting the sandinistas. he's a lunatic, he should not be in office. >> laura: will new york ever wake up or is this the city they

want? because everyone i know is leaving new york. it's a complete disgrace. thank you for your words of wisdom tonight. the media was downright giddy about the supreme court's ruling on trump's tax returns, but they were wrong, they shouldn't be. our legal eagles will explain why. this might actually be a huge political victory for trump. you bet, stay there. when you say what you're in the mood for,

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♪ >> a big loss for president trump here. >> i find this to be a very dark day for donald trump, this is his greatest fear. >> if he doesn't win reelection he's potentially going to see a criminal indictment as a private person. >> if i'm donald trump, i am scared right now. >> laura: it's scary that the guy was the solicitor general of the united states. the truth is that one of the

rulings today completely destroyed congress' growth on constitutional over staff and trying to obtain trump's tax returns. yeah, the high court rule that the manhattan branch could subpoena the tax documents, but it's not the stirring victory the left would have you believe. you actually have to read the opinion. first the case was remanded back to the lower court where trump's lawyers can make more constitutional arguments to draw out the case. and second, even if the court expedites this decision, the tax returns would go to a grand journey, meaning they will still be secret. in fact, the manhattan d.a. may not see the president's tax returns for many more months or many more years. this is just harassment, come on. in other words, there is zero chance that trump's tax returns become public before the next election. joining me now, constitutional scholar, sol wisenberg, former deputy, independent counsel. you say this isn't really the

win that vance in new york thinks it is. why? >> even the president trump and the doj lost on the overall legal argument, remember, all the court said is the president does not have absolute immunity from state criminal processes, but that is still kind of a theoretical question. they then sent it back to the lower courts, as you say, and president trump is free to say all right, but in this particular instance, this subpoena is a problem. this subpoena, for example, is nothing but a retaliatory effort to interfere with my executive powers. they are still free to make any argument they want with respect to the particular subpoena. why was it issued at this particular time? why do you want -- why exactly do you need these tax returns? so yes, they lost on their legal points, which i don't think most people thought they were going

to win on anyway, but as a practical matter, i think it's a win, certainly in the short term. >> laura: john, your thoughts on this. this seems like it opens the door in a way for any rogue state ag or d.a. to harass the president of the united states any time they have an ideological dispute, not just bad motives on all democrats and d.a.s, but it certainly opens up a can of worms down the road for the president, perhaps. >> it does open up perhaps but i agree with sol, and i was watching the news today and i was wondering whether the news reports were reading the same opinion i was reading. i think the chief justice and the large majority of the court went out of its way to try to prevent that kind of rogue district attorney from harassing the president. he said the entire conduct of the proceeding needs to be conducted with the fact that this is the president of the united states and the office of

chief executive in mind. it specifically says that the president can challenge these subpoenas as an attempt to influence the performance of his duties. that would violate the supremacy clause. and you know, you don't have absolute immunity from a subpoena but we're not going to allow witch hunts for partisan political gain against a sitting president or a presidential candidate. and i think that the court made clear on that, so i don't think this is a win for vance at all. the second circuit decision was affirmed and that just means the president doesn't have absolute immunity, but the things that are handed to him are more than enough to force him having to disclose. >> laura: i want to move on to john durham because there's so many people waiting for the results of his investigation, but fox news is reporting exclusively that durham does not want this to be viewed politically, and the closer it gets to november, durham could plan it until after the election. of this report is delayed until

after election it's never going to the light of day, we might not ever know what was really down to the president or what nefarious efforts were undertaken at the fbi and beyo beyond. >> first of all, we don't know that there's going to be a report. he's not a report, he's not a special counsel. he may just tell the story in any indictments that get issued. i would also say there is considerable amount of time between an election if the president loses and the following term, but listen, i have a lot of faith in durham. he's got a sterling reputation, and as attorney general barr said, first of all, attorney general barr said he doesn't think there is even going to be in an investigation, criminal investigation of former president obama or president biden. if you take those two out of the equation, as barr said, who are we going to be looking at is going to be running for office? nobody. so i'll believe it when i see

it. i think durham is being methodical. he doesn't want anyone to say that this is political on his part, and given his reputation, i don't think they will. >> laura: really quickly, your reaction to the shocking decision by judge emmet sullivan to refuse to dismiss the case against flynn. he is now asking the appeals court to rule about whether to keep the flame case alive. john, real quick. >> does he not get the basic separation of powers thing? he doesn't bring motions to another court. he's not the party in the case. he doesn't get to appoint his own prosecutor. he is supposed to be the judge. this is just getting laughable. i hope that the d.c. circuit will slap it down, and slap the judge down too, rather than just the case. >> laura: if you can sanction the judge in this case i would be all for that appear to speak of a travesty. we've got to roll. thanks so much.

and despite the fact that college aged students are extremely low risk as the task force said yesterday, various leaks now have already started canceling their sports in the fall. legendary former notre dame coach lou holtz is here. why canceling football is not just ignoring science but could actually crush the american spirit. stay there.

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this today, what we are in the middle of here, a kind of amounts to a war against our way of life. because after the riots subsided, when the view of the economy was improving and improving really rapidly under president trump's policies, i think the left and started to freak out a little bit. can't have all those people working at having fun again, so how could they keep the panic and anxiety going to ensure a biden victory? >> dr. fauci says the united states is knee-deep in the crisis. >> i think any state that is having a serious problem, that state should seriously look at shutting down. >> look how steep that curve is and you think the only way to change that is to shut down? >> we are not dropping cases in our immunity with tests and trace and masking, then yes. >> laura: tests are going down, cases are going up, so no fun for america. okay. a few states of course have seen the rise in positive cases, but again, the daily death rate has

been dropping like a rock since peaking in april. this is actually good news. we're getting closer to herd immunity in some sectors of the united states. also t-cell immunity, talked about that the other night. this serious disease, especially for the old and vulnerable. most people do quite well with that under the age of 25, most people will be fine come again, with some rare exceptions. kids who are college age and younger, what about them? >> we know that mortality rate in under 25 from the cdc data is less than .1%. we have no evidence that there is significant mortality in children without coexisting diseases. >> laura: so this extremely low risk for young people with covid, colleges around the country seem to be rushing into the fearmongering stage, the panic stage, and the left seems to enjoy this moment where sports seems to be ending. now yesterday, the ivy league announced it would cancel all

sports in the fall, including football. just how big a deal is this? yale will be playing princeton or harvard for the first time since world war ii. as expected, the dominoes continue to fall. from there, the big ten said today it wouldn't allow any out of conference games for football or any other sport, citing these unprecedented times. at the end of the day, the commissioner couldn't even promise that. >> one thing we have to realize is that this is not complete, were going to have sports in the fall. we may not have sports in the fall. we may not have a college football season in the big ten. >> well, this mind-set isn't just taking over colleges, it's trickling down the high schools well. superintendent of dallas public schools have some good football teams there, made this stunning announcement today. >> i seriously doubt it, i don't know. we are not in control of that. university and scholastically has control over that but it's a

contact sport, i don't know how we can do that. we left away but i seriously doubt if we can pull it off. >> laura: because there is no inherent risk in playing football. the kids don't out there and put their health at risk just playing the sport. just specifically, one of the greatest coaches of all time is lou holtz. notre dame hall of fame coach. lou, i'm so glad you're here tonight. i say this kind of feels like a war on american life. no church, no singing, no school, no football. where does it end? >> i think it ends when we have the election, but when you're in the leadership role, you have to look at things from both points of view. look at it from the coach's point of view, the player's point of view, as well as the coach's view. the way it is right now, they just don't want to have sports and there's no way in this world you can do anything in this world without a risk. people stormed normandie. i had some grandchildren, they knew there was going to be casualty, they knew there was going to be risk, but it was a

way of life. now if you eliminate all nonconference games, first of all, you have seven teams in the big ten and schedule four and hugo win four games, two conference games, that ain't going to happen. but let me tell you a devastating effect is in the nonpower five schools. vanderbilt, those are money games, those are very, very important. but how are you going to have football when they don't even want to have school? some schools like notre dame has said okay, we're going to start on august 10th. now faculty members say it's too risky, i don't want to go. he of patriots union saying we shouldn't go back to school. the underprivileged, the people from the poor neighborhoods, where they going to get education? what is happened to our way of life? look at it from both points of view, the risk is always there but you cannot just look at it from one side, and that's exactly what's happening and i think it will happen on election day. >> laura: lou, it seems to me there are a lot of people on the

left especially who wanted to get rid of football for some time. you know come all the beds about, of course it's a dangerous sport, it's a brutal sport, it's a misogynistic spor. i mean, football has been trashed by the left for a couple of decades. so you get the sense that they think they have football right where they want it. but notre dame, alabama, even some of those ivy league schools, the pac-10, ohio, the buckeyes, they all want to play football. when are we going to hear from coaches and players who say let us assume the risk? we will assume the risk, let our players play. are we going to hear from any of them or know? >> i don't think so but if i was coaching i would sure i don't want my son to play football so i will give them a motorcycle so he has something to do other than football. i can't begin to tell you the lessons people learn in football. it's a microcosm of life. you learn about sacrifice, you learn about teamwork, getting

along with other people, you learn to work on your skills to make sacrifice, to make a total commitment to other people for the welfare of the overall team and unit. there is so many valuable lessons you learn from and when you are part of a team, people want to be part of something. that is how games came about. when they start advertising athletics in schools, people started enjoying the game because people want to be part of something and you are that away from them? >> laura: coach, i want to quickly get to your view on the now push to get notre dame to reconsider the fighting irish nickname, okay? as a former coach at notre dame, what are your thoughts on that? apparently that is now -- >> they were named the fighting irish because the ku klux klan tried to attack the catholics. they went down and fought the ku klux klan and that is where the name the fighting irish ca came. now they want to topple my statuette notre dame, that is when i would really get mad.

>> laura: on behalf of all of us at "the ingraham angle" i want to express our great condolences for your incredible wife. i know you were married for 58 years, she was an amazing woman, and i know it just hurts in your heart and we heard for you, coach appear to. >> thank you, laura. if i could make one comment, we had the funeral at notre dame basilica, there couldn't be many people, but we had gotten so many thousands of texts and emails. i wish we had done it when she was alive. everyone said please sit down while somebody's still living and tell them the difference they made in your life. it do it while they can appreciated, thank you. >> laura: we will and you have made such a difference to so many players and alumni and students and me personally over the years, so thank you so much for everything you do. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. now i have to watch your program, i enjoy your program but it will be sad. >> laura: thanks so much, low. and being a medical professional who tells the truth about covid

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♪ >> laura: for challenging the medical establishment, may be the medical deep state in exposing a massive flaw in our covid response, my next two guests have found themselves on the wrong side of that medical mafia. here now is dr. scott jensen, physician, minnesota state senator and founder of the smith center for infectious diseases and health. dr. jensen, you found legitimate flaws in the cdc guidelines. now you're being targeted by your state's health board. explain briefly. >> basically i'm being told that

because i questioned the health of the cdc's communications that i've been spreading misinformation. i think this is ludicrous. if you want to know who is spreading misinformation, if the governor comes out and tells minnesotans are going to have 74,000 deaths and later on reduces it to 29,000 deaths, and then later on he gives us another statistic and says mid-july, is next week, we're going to have 1,000 deaths per day, to me that would be more misinformation than me saying listen, death certificates are a serious thing and we should be doing it right. >> laura: dr. smith, you've turned into a pariah of sorts by your own hospital because of your advocacy for any use of successfully, i might add, hydroxychloroquine. tell us about it. >> in the beginning when i adopted the front regiment, which was 600 milligrams a day as opposed to the 2400 milligrams lower dose that people were using, cdc, actually the fda eventually

endorsed, i got immediate pushback from the cmo front of the hospitals. immediate. we will take it from here, stephen after i sent them the article. i said, what? on a saturday, i was still in the hospital working my tail off and i said, you won't touch my patients. and since then, i don't know why -- i didn't know i was creating controversy. i thought i was following the data like i always did. it's a safe drug, a cheap drug, and i got another argument with the cmo of the system. he said, if we give everybody 600 milligrams a day, which is only 6,000, as opposed to 2400 milligrams, were going to run out of hydroxychloroquine. i said, i don't believe him. he hung up on me. that was maybe after i had spent three hours taking care of 50 of his patients. >> laura: earlier today, dr. dr. fauci was asked if we can control covid without a vaccine. watch. >> i think we can get it under

control, but keeping it under control is going to be the real problem. this virus, to our dismay, is spectacularly efficient in transmitting from person-to-person. that makes me skeptical whether we would get permanent, sustained control of this without having a vaccine. >> laura: okay, dr. jensen. the translation, get ready to be locked down on till biden is elected. i am sorry, i hear that and my blood boils. it is a virus, it is a bad virus, but most people do fine with that. could this be with us forever if vaccines aren't 100% useful anyway, in most cases. >> i would ask dr. fauci why in the world he would use the word "spectacularly." that sounds like just fearmongering. and i would ask what viruses have we been successful at, in terms of creating a vaccine that

really does what we want. we know with our influenza vaccine, we frequently face terribly mediocre results and if you look at other viruses, we don't have a great track records of the fact of the matter is if a vaccine comes along to help us, that's great but we are far more realistically leading into herd immunity. >> laura: the henry ford health system study about hydroxy has come under fire. not only was the study not randomized, but the patients who received hydroxy were also more likely to get steroids. dr. smith, you read the study, you've treated all these patients successfully. what are your thoughts? >> it's actually harder to show something works and doesn't work. we've had several trials showing this drug combination works very well. our data supports there are many other trials that show that. when you see efficacy you take notice because again, it's harder to prove something works

then it's neutral. it's a lot easier to say he doesn't have an effect. >> laura: is a generic drug and it doesn't cause a $4,000 like remdesivir. generally, thank you so much. great to see you. an important last bite, next.

speak of the of never-ending lockdowns month after month would ultimately do more harm than good to public health and so bad for our children. as a result, it really is more

loss of life. we can't do that, we have to get back now. we did it right, we save millions of lives by what we d did. >> laura: liberty liberty versus lockdown. the choice is going to be clear in november. looks like someone's been watching "the ingraham angle" this week. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it all from here, shannon. spoon all right, laura, thank you so much. we begin tonight with a fox news alert. took a major supreme court opinion city regarding the president 'has ran natural records neither side got exactly what they wanted, but they're both still claiming victory. the president's reaction exclusive to fox news is coming up. and with the 3 million mark in the rearview mirror, cases of covid-19 continue to climb across the u.s. and citizens in hard-hit states are waiting in long lines to get tested. reaction from the white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany is just minutes away. despite a justice department motion and a higher court ordering him to drop the charges against michael