get all your pet essentials right when you need them, with curbside pickup at petsmart. just order online, drive up, check-in, and pick up. tucker carlson tonight right ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." usually by this point in the presidential cycle with got a pretty good idea with the candidates believe and you think that would be especially true this year. joe biden has been in politics for more than half a century. this is his third run for president. since 1969, the year of the moon landing, joe biden has been yammering in public virtually without stopping. until this year. this year, the famously chatty joe biden has had almost nothi nothing. his advisors claimed that's because of covid-19 but nobody believes that. everybody knows why biden won't appear in public. whenc. he does emerge, things td

to get strange. his words take on a kind of psychedelic quality. of the sentences seem to be connected get the same time they are strangely disjointed. newspaper taxis appear on the shore, rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies. it's mesmerizing to watch. you can almost make out the tangerine trees and marmalade skies. >> we thought in our administration we should lower the tax in the high 30s to 28%, lower to 21. going to raise it back up to 28. it's not sufficient to build back, we have to build back better. that's what my plan is, to build back better. it's not somebody else's children, their all our children. the children -- those children of thehe kite strings that hold our national ambitions. the only entity, the only thing that can tearit america apart as america itself. period. >> tucker: what does any of

that mean? honestly, we don't know. joe biden doesn't either. it's all good, man. this is the candidate who couldt soon be president of the united states. don't tell him that, it will only make him anxious. the people around biden, by contrast, are not anxious. they are completely in control, they know exactly what they want and yesterday they give the rest of usy a glimpse of what that is. the biden campaign released a long document outlining its goals. written by eric holder, alexandria ocasio-cortez, sanders among others. these are the people who will run the country of joe biden is elected in november. so what's their plan? in a sentence, they'd like to make the rest of america very much like our biggest cities have become, squalid, dangerous, chaotic and unhappy. they'd like to do to your neighborhood what they have done to new york city. the main thing they don't to new york is make it scary. i violent crime is surging dramatically there as we have told you night after night. none of the main reasons for that is the elimination of cash bail, the city no longer holds the people at arrests.

criminals are in and out of custody immediately and many of course going to commit more crimes. the biden campaign plans to abolish cash bail everywhere. no bail for any crime nationwide. think about what that would me mean. americans are fleeing urban areas in hugememe numbers, big cities are just too mismanaged, they're too dangerous. unless you are very rich are very poor, you're getting out. new york city lost 53,000 people in 2019, they will lose far more than thatin this year. most of these refugees have relocated to the suburbs where they imagine they are safe from the effects of disastrous urban policies. but they're not. democrats want to abolish the suburbs. they are to clean and nice and therefore they are racist. the biden campaign has a highly specific plan on how to doig th. it's called affirmatively furthering fair housing. it's a hud regulation, it was written during the obama administration.

biden's advisors plan to enforce it, they will cut off critical federal funds for municipalities unless those minutes appellee submit to federal control of urban planning. towns will be order to abolish zoning forsh single-family housg because single-family homes needless to say are racist. low income federally subsidized apartments will go up in the suburbs. it's a good bet you won't see any of this, you won't see projects being built in aspen or martha's vineyard or anywhere else eric holder vacations, but in your neighborhood, oh, yeah. your kids schools will change too. the biden campaign has vowed to bring back obama's lunatic or title ix rules. collegeses among second -- instd use kangaroo courts to assess sexual assault allegations on campus. good luck to your son. the country's k-12 schools meanwhile what effectively abandon classroomiv discipline. schools that suspend students based on their behavior rather than according to a strict racial quotas -- will be punished forac that. we will have no choice but to

keep your kids enrolled anyway because biden's campaign pledge is to abolish all programs that provide parents vouchers or tax breaks to send their kids somewhere else. a and then the biden plan gets really ambitious. it would use the federal reserve to fix t the "racial wage gap." central bankers will be encouraged to decide if you're being paid too much based on her skin color. sounds like a great way to unite the country. one thing the biden administration won't enforce its immigration law. the plan promises to an workplace immigration rights, that would mean corporations could bring in effectively unlimited amounts of low-wage illegal foreign labor. good luck finding your son a job once he's bounced out of college by this kangaroo courts. youts might think this all souns too crazy to be real. politicians of course make a lot of promises right before elections. biden would never actually do any of us because democrats would be worried about losing the next election if they did.

these are not popular programs. but the biden people have thought this through and their plan answers that question. it solves the problem. it includes citizenship and voting rights for all illegal immigrants currently living in this country. that's at least 22 million people. that means 22 million brand-new voters spread out across the state. the vast majority of them will faithfully vote for the democratic party. by the way, not even including all the new illegal immigration we will doubtless get with reduced border controls. the biden command also promises a moratorium on deportations.ta so there it is, that's the biden plan. not only a blueprint to govern the country, it is a promise to utterly remake the country and more to the point, never surrender control of it again. brit hume is our senior political analyst here at fox. he joins us tonight.oi thanks so much for coming on. >> you bet. >> tucker: if you added 22 million new voters, the

overwhelming majority of whom in those research on this faithfully vote democrat, is it fair to say no republican could ever win a national election, at least for the foreseeable futu future? >> i think that's a reasonable assumption in the foreseeable future and itle wouldn't take 22 million. i would say the number were half that. new voters, the overwhelming majority of whom would vote for the democrats, would keep the democrats in power in the white house for sure. several election cycles at least that it would also mean that around the country that many races that might be close or toss ups or even go republican would not. so i think that's a fair assumption about the consequences of that would be. i might say, talker, that while biden and his remarks today on the economy through a few things in the direction of trump voters. he talked about you know, how much money the government was going to spend to revive and direct the economy.

this agenda that you've laid out here is not the agenda of a man who's trying to reach out beyond his own party for support. this is a man who is simple trying to solidify report within his own party believing that that's all he needs. and he might be right about that. r but this is taking the democratic party farther to the left than it's ever been is even bernie sanders was saying today about this compromised agenda that has been reached with him and aoc and rashida tlaib and others. so that is where we are. this is a man who simply thinks that the nomination is all hes needs, that is basically guaranteed the election. he might be right. >> tucker: if democrats retake the white house and the senate, and i can absolutely happen, and if they abolish the filibuster, and that could happen too, would there be any way to stop giving citizenship to 22 million or whatever the actual number is a

foreign nationals living here illegally? >> not that i can see. there are other things that i would be hard to stop it if they want to give statehood to the district of columbia. there are arguments made by some scholars that say no, you need a constitutional amendment to do that. but congress does have the power to add states. whether that runs into constitutional prohibitions is a matter of judge to decide but it's something i think would be attempted and that of course would add two more seats in the senate, which would be guaranteed to be democratic in perpetuity, so that would be one more restraint on our agenda that would break down if they got control of both houses of congress. it would be quite -- this would be the liberals wish list put into action. you can guarantee it. >> tucker: i wonder if your average t republican voter -- there so many things going on right now, understands that we are t headed, and who knows whee we will wind up at at this point we are headed at very high speed toward effectively a one-party state, at least for the foreseeable future, do people understand that?

>> well, they might. for example, think about what happened over the holiday weekend. the president came out and made a speech, which as you pointed out, was basically a full throated defense of american history and its heroes. it was in no sense a bigoted speech. it wasn't to glorify confederates, none of whom was mentioned. it was quite a strong speech and some people thought it was the best speech you have forgiven. but it was grossly mischaracterized and oppressed, but that shouldn't be a barrier to a campaign as much money as the trump campaign has to get the word out. then two days later, the president picks a fight with that nascar driver. instead of pounding on the message that had been handed him basically on a platter by the democrats attacks on his speech. so he has opportunities here. he has chances. the sheer leftward drift of this party and the outright leftism of this agenda would seem to present opportunities if the trump campaign and trump himself

can capitalize on them. it remains to be seen if he canw or will, is stop talking about himself long enough you talk about something else and talk about their agenda. in his message. >> tucker: yet. i mean, there is an awful lot at stake. an awful lot and i know people always say that before electio elections, particularly partisans, people get all inflamed, the most important election ever. you've seen a lot of elections, does this seem a significant one toto you? >> i've been in the habit for many election cycles of telling people who ask me how important elections, now i say it's the most important election since the last one. and will be the most important one until the next one. i think this may be a little different here because trump was elected an overwhelming response from people who said i've had enough. i don't want anymore of of this. he's governed as a disruptor and if this swings back this

quickly, it is really hard for me to see it swinging back and the other direction for quite some time so i think this election is different, this is big, noif doubt. >> tucker: i think that's a wise assessment, brit hume, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> tucker: authorities in new york are taking drastic steps to make sure ghislaine maxwell's stic stint in jail ens different from epstein's. a very strange story. just want to posten out there's more going on with the maxwell arrest then i think we understand at this point. just want to get on the record. plus, seattle is pushing antiracism training on city employees that insist at screaming at them for how they were born. sound antiracist to you? we will explain just ahead. ♪ save hundreds on your wireless bill

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♪ >> tucker: jeffrey epstein's death, his convenient death last year kept the rest of us from knowing anything at all, really, about what he did, who helped him do it and where all the money came from. authorities tonight are taking radical steps to make certain that nothing like that happens to his former fixer, ghislaine maxwell. emily h cabana was a former federal attorney and host of

crimes that changed america on fox nation, we are happy to have around on it. emily. >> hi, tucker. as you know, maxwell has been charged with six federal crimes, four of which involveed transporting miners for illegal activity. after being booked into brooklyn's federal and metropolitan detention center, awaiting a bail hearing t tomorrow, the bureau of prisons has not taken where bedsheets and given her paper close out of fear she may die by suicide. the justice department hasn't plummeted additional safety enprecautions and tasked them wh entering or safety both from herself and others, including other protocols like assigning her roommate, consistently monitoring her and making sure she is a company behind bars all times. a storm of controversy followed different epstein's world death by suicide on august 10th of last year while in a different new york city federal detention center in the events leading up to his suspicious death were a "perfect storm of scrubs" according to u.s. attorney general william barr. and began weeks before his actual death. involving what authorities called then a failed suicide

attempt, failure of suicide watch protocol, failure of the inmate protocol, jail cameras that failed to report, guards that fell asleep on the job, the submission to the court of the wrong video footage and ultimately a second autopsy report that contradicted the official declaration of suicide death by hanging. recall epstein's death too came less than one day after part of the 2,000 documents containing lord and shocking testimony from his abuse victims was unsealed in a case also against ghislaine maxwell. during epstein's federal prosecution, law enforcement discovered a safe at his $77 million mansion that contains thousands of photographs and videos of young girls, including minors, all meticulously labeled, which prosecutors at the time described as a lewd trove of devastating evidence against him. ghislaine is a part of the also sitting on a secret stash of photographs and videos of illicit sexual activity with minors and reports are she has "copies of everything epstein had." she has hired a former federal prosecutor who helped bring down

our children can been walking el chapo guzman after that successful prosecution was awarded the true american hero award by the federal drug agent foundation. ghislaine faces up to 35 years in federal prison if convicted. >> tucker: interesting, it emily, thanks so much for that. appreciate it. that's a weird story. why did she come back to this country? she had to know should be arrested, she was living abroad, foreign passports, at least one. probably more going on here than we know. so here's a thought experiment for you. oklahoma city is one of the most conservative metro areas in thee united states. donald trump won almost 60% of the vote there almost four years ago. imagine if the conservatives who presumably run a local government sent an email to every african-americanan municil employee telling them to report to a special meeting. imagine when those employees arrive, again, black employees only, nobody else allowed, they were informed that the fact they were black was deeply offensive.

in fact, it was a kind of crime. and the only way to atone for the sin of their blackness was it.pologize for apologize for being born black and then work to shed all traces of your black identity. stop spinning so much time around her black friends, stop repeating things your black parents told you growing up. started reading out loud that you hate yourself for having black skin. imagine if that actually happened in this country. what would you think of it? you'd be horrified, obviously, it's completely disgusting. it is immoral to attack people for how they were born. it's always immoral. by the way, it's also illegal. the justice department would never tolerate something like that. civil rights division which act on the program tonight and would bring criminal charges against the people who ran it and you would applaud them as they did that, and we would too. so with that in mind, consider what is happening right now inpp one of america's most liberal cities seattle. four years ago, hillary clinton got 87% of the vote in seattle. there are many places more loyal to the democratic party.

recently the city of seattle summoned its white employees and only its white employees to a meeting and then informed them that their skin color is a crime. the city called this antiracism training. events like it are taking place all over the country right now, schools, local governments, corporations, the military. the city of seattle named its training session interrupting internalized racial superiority and whiteness. city journal wants to know exactly what went on in the meeting like that, so he filed a public records request. is what heec found. white employees in seattle were informed that their so-called white qualities or offensive and unacceptable. those qualities included perfectionism, objectivity and individualism. the employees were told to stop exhibiting these characteristics and instead they were ordered to undertake "the work of undoing your own whiteness." in order to achieve that, in order to erase the traits they were born with, white employees

in seattle were ordered to give up the following. they were ordered to give up comfort. they were ordered to give upit spending time with her family. they were ordered to give up guaranteed physical safety, control over other peopleed and the land, relationships with some other white people, niceties from neighbors and colleagues and "the certainty of your jobs." prepare to be unemployed, pale employees of seattle, your skin color disgusts us. all of that actually happen in seattle. check out the new piece in city journal if you want more details on it but again, atrocity like this are just happening like this in seattle, there happening everywhere. some of them almost certainly happened in your kids school this fall. no one will ask your permission before they do it, they'll just attack your children for how they were born. the people doing the attacking, by the way, would tell you with a straight face how opposed they are to conversion therapy because of course it's immoral

to try to change people's intrinsic qualities. they wouldn't see the irony in that. more likely they don't care about irony. this isn't about principles, it's about hate, humiliation and power. it is about hurting people, it always is. telling people they are inferior because of their skin color was wrong when it happened 60 years ago in alabama. it is every bit as wrong when it happens today in seattle or at yale or google headquarters or your kids elementary school. attacking people on the basis or their race is a sin. there is nothing worse for a country. they can try to discuss it with orwellian terms like antiracism, but this is the purest kind ofs race hate. it will destroy america faster than anything else. don't put up with it. resist, speak out, fight back. this is totally wrong until you stand up, it will continue. while, at some point this country will move past coronavirus. if joe biden is elected, it will

be declared cured in one day. many jobs that have disappeared in the meantime. could there be opportunities in blue-collar work?tu mike rowe has thought more about this that may be any person in america and he joins us next. ♪ so what's going on?

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>> tucker: that's a clip from mike rowe's brand-new show, dirty jobs road trip. he's a man we've been thinking a lot about recently. millions of americans have lost their jobs and furloughed often entirely thanks to the rock down.re a child just leaving high school or college right now is entering one of the toughest labor markets in the history of this country. but there is still opportunity out there and if anyone knows about it, it's micro, and we are happy to have him on right now.

thanks so much for coming on. you are a master of the good news. tell us the good news. >> i'm a glass half-full kind of guy for sure. it's a great time to be alive, little weird, for sure. and we've got some challenges. for sure. but, if you have a skill that's in demand, you are going to be in demand like never before. and i've never been more certain of that than i am right now. my foundation is entering its 13th year. we are giving away a million dollars this month to men and women who want to learn a skill or mastery trade. if you know it, i've been pushing this boulder up the hill for a long time and i'm seeingim some things i haven't seen before, and reinvigoration and enthusiasm around the basics of simply learning a skill that's absolutely in demand.ha but being essential in other words. >> tucker: so when we've spoken about this before over the years, you have said --

you've had trouble giving away the money because everyone wanted to work in private equi equity. i wonder if the perspective of people is going to change because of what we are going through now. >> well, i think it is. you know, i've been talking a lot about $1.5 trillion in student loans on the books and the very real fact that that's a millstone around the next of hundreds of thousands of kids. people are getting that message but there also now seeing, they are seeing there is a difference between skills that are in demand and education that is not. it's not to say one is bad and what is good. these are two sides of the same coin but historically we've tried to separate those twoor things. dirty jobs just got rebooted because the headlines once again caught up to the underlying themes of that show in the country is now having a grown up conversation about the

definition of a good job. and so if i -- if i seem prescient, it's only because i've been sitting here in the same place for the last 12 years and eventually headlines will catch up with you. and i'm telling you, right now, like never before, if you're a welder with a work ethic, you'll be among the dozens of people making six figures that my foundation has helped, hundreds and fax. if the stories are everywhere. >> tucker: you're turning out to be vindicated because you've your eyes off the fundamental question, which is who really is essential? what's an ephemeral job, what's an essential job? so but he has to get the power grid going for example. do you -- i mean, is there evidence, using actualer numbers to suggest that people really are reorienting their view of these questions? >> well, it's all things are mike rowe macro. i'm mike rowe and the micro

works foundation, i can tell you -- the changes have been demonstrable over the last decade. have a sense that that's being echoed in the macroeconomic numbers, but i can't prove it. most of my evidence is apocryphal, it always has been. but the enthusiasm for the idea of learning a skill that's in demand is real and i will say too with regards to essential, it's been kind of humbling for me because i've always defaulted to people who labor out of sight and out of mind doing things that keep civilized life possible for the rest of us. l if that's the definition of essential. we've got 40 million people out of work. we've just redeemed them de facto nonessential. that's crazy. if you think those people are nonessential, well, look at the economy, look at the trillions of dollars of bailouts. it's like tugging on a string or a piece of yarn on a sweater, right?

it bunches on the other side. essential and nonessential aren't opposites. they are two sides of the same coin, but i believe we are entering a phase right now where the undeniable truth is going to land squarely on the side of opportunity as defined by the willingness to learn a skill. >> tucker: i think that's exactly right. let me ask you one last quick question. you've interviewed countless number of people with essential but low prestige jobs. are they happy by and large doing those, jobs? >> again, cookie-cutter advice is tricky and i hate generalizations, but yeah. there exists in the wide world of work a band of brothers mentality and if i could tell you anything that was generally true about my experience on dirty jobs, and i've just seen it again, i'll be seeing every tuesday this month, is that they're having a better time than people think. this group of people who understand that they are essential, who understand risk

in a way that most of us don't, who understand the benefits of showing up early and staying late and this is going to sound very horatio alger, but i'mra telling you, it's going to come back, attitude, personal responsibility, delayed gratification, work ethic. it's not what anybody wants to hear, but it's for sale in the examples that we've been able to find in my own little foundation that prove those things lead to something that looks a lot like prosperity, there undeniable. there everywhere. >> tucker: you've been right about everything else. i knew you'd make me feel better. mike rowe, thank you for that. >> standing by to fill the glass up whenever you needed, tucker. >> tucker: we often do. good to see you. >> be well. >> tucker: well, black lives matter is effectively a political party and you thought in this country you're allowed to express your opinion about political parties. but in this case, no, if you oppose black lives matter, you

could be charged with a hate crime. after the break we will talk to a couple in california who were charged with a hate crime. we will be right back. ♪ bottom line is,

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♪ >> tucker: harvard university, where you did not go, but many highly impressive people did go announced this week that classes for 7,000 undergraduates will be held only online coming this fall.ne of course that means those classes will be a joke, people don't learn very well online, if you've got kids at home right now trying, you know that for a fact. but here's the rub, harvard also announced it will not be cutting any of its $50,000 a year tuition. not by a penny. and according to a writer at slate.com call jordan wiseman, that's fine. because actually education is not the point of harvard or any school like harvard. earlier this week, he wrote this, "the main benefit of an ivy league education is really class. schools like harvard, yale, stanford and princeton -- outsourced hr departments -."

and that's true. but because it is true, it does raise a couple of other questions. is attending harvard or stanford or yale, whatever gail gets renamed next year, isn't really about education, then why did the schools get tax-free endowments that are larger than the gdp of some african countries? wire the loans that people take out to go to the schools guaranteed by taxpayers and nondischargeable in bankruptcy court? why did these schools get billions of dollars and other benefits from you if they're just networking and hr opportunities from kids from families that are already rich and well-connected? those are questions we are considering. well, it took months, the people who run the country eventually got bored with shaming the rest of us for trying to go outside or earn a living during covid-19's on how they have a new hobby, praising the mostly peacefulul protesters who are destroying our cities, spray painting graffiti everywhere,

salting other opponents, ripping down stashes of george washington. just today disciplines he explained that don't matter. >> i don't care that much about statues. >> should that be done by a commission of the city council, not a mob in theis middle of the night throwing them into the harbor? >> people will do what they do. >> tucker: people do what they do.t try to take on the statue of somebody nancy pelosi admires and find out what happens. but the statues, who cares? they're just dead traders, is one of the dumbest numbers of the u.s. senate recently called them. butst there's one kind of expression that people like nancy pelosi can't stand and won't stand for. people who say the united statea isn't racist and don't want public spaces filled with left-wing graffiti. activists spray-painted black lives matter in the middle of a public street, which they do not own, but they did it anyway. in response to this, two taxpayers, residents of the town, called nicole anderson and david nelson, decided to return their street to normal.

>> [bleep] [bleep] this is not happening in my town. >> [bleep] you're not from america. >> you're about to get [bleep] you're not getting this anymorec [bleep]. >> tucker: not happening in my town to which a lunatic said it's not your country. not your country. to be clear, the people you just saw on tape, they hurt nobody, they destroyed nothing and yet they have been charged with a hate crime. nicole anderson and david nelson join us tonight and we are happy to have them.he thanks so much for coming on. >> thank you. >> shannon: hotel is if you would come i think what we arty know but just summarize for us quickly why you did that. d >> yeah, so i was on my way home on a bike ride and i saw what they were doing downtown with the graffiti and i grew up in martinez. so it struck a chord with me. i don't agree with blm, don't

get me wrong, i have no problem with blackon people, that's not what this is about, they have a hidden agenda. so when i saw that i went home and let nicole know and she said i'm going to go down there and paint over it and i said no, she goes yes, i am, when she has her mind made up -- which is going to do something -- we went down there and i went on the just to haveus her back and then some ad he got in my face and just kind of set me off and i want to be clear that i wish i would have handled it more diplomatically but i was angry and we are sick of this. we are sick of the narrative.. >> i just want them to defund our police. luckily we have them, thank god we have them in the last couple days. >> tucker: yep. >> yeah. >> tucker: so you're aware -- and it's your town. you just said that you're fromre there. and the people who painted this don't own the street, i presume you pay taxes. >> yes. >> tucker: you're aware that in california, rather its emphasis go, not that far from

you, blm activists ripped down a statue and spray-painted "kill whitey" on it, which is always there racial attack and incitement of violence, i don't like anyone was charged on a hate crime, in fact nobody was. do you think you were charged with a "hate crime"? >> it's because we decided to stand against ane organization that we don't agree with and that's the issue we are facing and if an american can't stand up and voice their opinion, we are being silenced. >> yeah. >> to cancel culture we live in and if we don't do something, we need to stand up. everybody needs to get together and band together and actually take to the streets. i hear a lot of talk but i don't actually see american standing up and doing something about it and the reason being is because we are losing jobs, when we stand up. you see what happened to kelly loeffler. they want her to step down. so i mean, this is what we're facing here in america and it's imperative that we do something and do it quick, because we are starting to lose ground here.

>> tucker: they were trying to make an example out of you. the people who did this, charged with a hate crime should be impeached, because it's completely outrageous, but i've got to wonder about the consequences to you. i mean, there's nothing more shameful than being charged with a hate crime, which is of course why they did it, are you worried about losing your job? >> it's up in the air right now as we speak. >> i work for myself. it's because she works for herself so she doesn't have to worry about it. >> tucker: you think you could be fired, david, because of this? >> i'm actually on a leaf type of thing right now to wait and see what happens. >> tucker: man, you've got a lot of brass.'v at this was a brave thing -- this was a brave thing to do. are you paying a lawyer to defend your? i just want to say you've been charged with a hate crime for painting over graffiti that wasn't supposed to be there.'t >> that's right. this is the double standard on the hypocrisy of the whole thing. it's okay for blm to go around and burned on the country,

terrorize america. actually kill people. they've done more harm than they've done good. and when we stand up and give them a little iota, a taste of own medicine, this is the extreme measures that are being taken and we can't let it happen, we need to stand up, we need to get together. all americans in the city and take to the streets. >> tucker: i hope someone defends you from a conservative's billions of dollars on these nonprofits in d.c., they go through the republican politicians. i hope one of those people, many of o them spring to your aid, because this is an outrage. you're very brave, thank you for coming on sunday. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: david ende call, thanks. well, kanye west is running for president. you think it may be a joke, but it's not a joke. and by the way in 2020, anything is possible, so if west is on the ballot this fall, how many votes could we get and what effect would it have on the race? we are thinking about it, and we will after the break.

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♪ >> tucker: kanye west says he's running for president and of course if he wants to win he will need votes. he's already taken the first step by registering himself to vote.. i >> what's up, i'm here and i wanted to show you all how i just registered to vote. i just wanted to show everybody how easy it is to vote here. new voter application. my name,te my date of birth, my official wyoming driver's license. there is a lot of people who think they can't vote because they're a convicted felon, but they actually can ask for their rights back. why would some other states make it so complicated to vote? >> the statutes are set up by legislature. >> tucker: that the start. what happens next? if kanye west gets in the race in a meaningful way, what effect will that have? will he take more votes from biden or from trump?

we are happy to have you on tonight, professor, thanks for coming on. so what do you imagine the effect of kanye west getting in the race will be? >> first of all, let's make it clear that it's pretty much mathematically impossible that he would win. he's already ineligible and about four states, one of them being texas, so that's impossible, but i think that he could play spoiler. the question is to whom. he could take youth votes away from biden, and he couldim take some votes away from trump based on the fact that he claimed he had covid-19 and he will highlight the fact that trump has failed in many ways on the covid-19 crisis, so i think it's a chance that he could take from either pool of voters. i think that one of the things that really hurts trump also is that of course he's married to kim kardashian west, and the whole alice johnson talking

point was a big thing for the trump campaign. and she kind of steels that away and says no, that was me. that was me that advocated for alice johnson. it was me that had to come to your office and talk to criminal justice reform. then he starts to perhaps lose some of the few black votes that he has. this is going to be a razor-thin election when we are talking about, you know, last time it was 77,000 votes in wisconsin.vo it could be even thinner, and kanye west, if he's able to garner that kind of support somewhere, he could spoil it for either one of these. i'm thinking more he will spoil it for trump but it's possible he could spoil it for biden as well. >> tucker: my view is anything that his associates trump from so-called criminal justice reform would actually help him, at least with me. >> i think you are in the minority there. >> tucker: i don't know that i am considering everything that's happened but we'll see. but kanye west is a self-described christian, he's been pretty assertive in

bringing the christian message and i wonder if you could see christians vote for kanye west. >> well, i mean, i think that that's possible. he's certainly, of course, there are a lot of christians who have issues with joe biden based on perhaps the fact that he is pro-choice. there are lots of christians who have issues, particularly in the evangelical communities thater have issues with trump and the way he behaves and contorts himself. so i think there is a lane for someone like kanye west actually slide in and get some christian votes with his gospel albums and some of the messages that he's going to bring forth. >> tucker: why is he doing this, do you know? >> some people say it's to promote his records, to promote himself. i think he's just somebody who thinks big and looks for big challenges, so i think that that's one of the reasons that kanye west is going after the presidency, there is nothing bigger.mst i think it was the same thing

witht donald trump. also people said he couldn't do it and i think ambitious people, when you tell them that they can't do something, that is when they get motivated and they take action and i think that is what kanye west is doing. he's somebody who's actually self-made, he didn't get a $400 million start the way donald trump did. he's actually self-made billionairee and i think that he thinks he can conquer anything, so he's going to give it a shot. >> tucker: i would say announcing for president in july of a presidential year, that's an ambitious program. you know, i stand unconvinced either way, but we'll see. jason nichols, one of our favorites, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> tucker: great to see you. we are out of time, amazingly. remarkable how fast an hour goes. we hope you have a great night. hopefully with the ones you love. we'll be back tomorrow, which is friday, but in the meantime, we athave good news for you. were going to play a quick quiz game in our remaining ten seconds.

who do you think is taking over? who's grabbing the baton? the great sean hannity from new york. iai >> sean: i guess i called that game. the great thing, i don't know about that. the great one is on tonight, by the way. great show, tucker, thank you. welcome to "hannity." we begin with a fox news alert, live, exclusive interview just a moment. we will discuss the chaos in liberal" studies, law and order, safety, security, the coronavirus, the economy and of course joe biden. of course, the president is also, his opponent actually steps foot outside the house today, the basement, that's the second time in two weeks, that's a record. way to go, joe. the corrupt, ever confused, ever frail joe biden actually left his home. he traveled all the way from delaware to pennsylvania to his trusty teleprompter where he delivered a painfully awkward speech in a large, mostly empty room filled with lots an