>> on behalf of steve and emily, we are just about out of time. hope to see you tonight, i'll be filling in for tucker in a different outfit. >> sandra: two officers shot overnight in a traffic stop near seattle in one of them is no data, the attack is elitist after shootings surge in major cities across the country. good morning everyone, i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington, good to see you this tuesday morning. with the growing violence as a backdrop president trump is pushing back against calls to defund the police and is accusing democrats of taking part in an anti-cop crusader. at a roundtable yesterday president trump threatening federal intervention calling out democratic roman cities like chicago with the president saying it's more violent than

afghanistan or any war zone. >> these radical politicians want to defund and abolish the police from our nation. when i first heard it, i said well, that's just something that they are saying but they are actually trying to do it. the radical politicians are waging war on innocent americans and that's what you are doing when he played with the police. my administration is pro-safety, pro-police and anti-crime. >> so far this year 65 officers have died in the line of duty and 27 of them were in shootings. the leading cause of police deaths in 2020. kristin fisher starts us off live tonight from the white house. >> instead of defunding the police, president trump says that americans should be defending the police in the middle of the spike of violence in cities like chicago and new york. if the democratic leaders in those cities do not restore law anlawand order, president trumps he will direct the federal

government to intervene. >> president trump: members will be coming down even if we have to go and take over cities because we can't let that happ happen. that's worse than afghanistan or any war zone that we are in. by a lot. it makes them look comparison se aren't letting it go on. >> the president made remarks here at the white house yesterday in which he really completed the issues of violence and democrat run cities and the issue of

>> they would not be open for in-person classes in august and several other big cities are considering similar plans. so watch for that. i tell you what, almost certainly going to be watching this republican senate runoff down in alabama because he has done almost everything he could possibly do. jeff sessions does not get his seat back. >> john: the former auburn coach tommy tuberville are certainly in full support for president trump as well so down there a little bit of a referendum on the president. we will see how it goes. it's great to see you.

>> sandra: san diego superintendent coming up, obviously as well as marco rubio from the state of florida, we will ask him about that. meanwhile, bill mcgurn, former chief speechwriter for president george w. bush and fox news contributor. good morning to you. to the violence that we again saw overnight in seattle and happening there, the same time the conversation continues about defunding the police and reallocating funds. i want to go to the police. in lawful, washington, i wanted to talk about the shooting and this puts them in uncharted territory. >> this will be a troubling time for our department and our profession. i've worked here for over 25 years and we've never had an officer shot. so this will be some uncharted territory for us, again, it will be a rough couple days. >> sandra: what is going on, where you see a spike in crime and violence, bill, but at the same time, you see the city council still willing to take funds away from the police?

>> right. you think there's a connection between that? look, police respond to incentives, too, and when the bad guys know that the police are sort of on the defensive and likely not to get involved, you know, to stay in their cars, they will be emboldened. it's just insane. and it's not just the mayor's, bill de blasio is cutting a million dollars, it's the city council, too. i think it's rooted in a really false premise and that false premise is that minority neighborhoods, poor and minority neighborhoods don't want policing. i think they need policing more than others in my experience when i was in "the new york post" and so forth is these are communities hollering for protection. if you are wealthy you can have your private security guards and your doorman at the front of your apartment building, but i think the president's right. it's a leaving the most vulnerable people in the city's

hostage to the most violent people in the cities. >> sandra: you look at bob hall, washington, this is a high-end area, considered one of the nicest places to live in washington state outside of seattle. and what is happening there, seattle's merits jenny durkan sees what's happening. she's taking on thecity councile recklessly defunding the police. let's listen. >> 7 out of 9 council members committed to cutting the seattle police department's budget by 50% without talking to the chief of police. 7 out of 9 council members committed to cutting spd's budget by 50% without a plan. without a plan on how they would do so, what they would cut, or an assessment. this is simply not responsible. >> sandra: bill, she is warning that, if you were to see a 50% cut in the 2020 budget

this year, it would require officers to be laid off right away and she is warning of catastrophic results to public safety. >> yes, she's absolutely right. but it tells you what a crazy world we are living in when jenny durkan is a moderate in the discussion. she's against city council, but again she helped kick this off with her "summer of love" comments and the idea that this is just a street festival, when these people occupied his own. within the police chief herself, she talks about the city council not talking about the police chief but she opposed the police chief on surrendering that precinct over to the protesters. so this is what you get. i think president trump characterized it correctly, but i would be leery about sending in federal troops. it's not as easy as you think. they are trained for different things. a policeman is a police officer, a soldier is much more

impressive than something different. he said democracy is the idea that, people know what they want and deserve it to get it good and hard. some people have to take the consequences for this. these leaders were voted into office. >> sandra: now come to more senseless violence and lawlessness happening in new york this is the family of a 1-year-old boy who was shot and killed in brooklyn. listen. >> you took my son's life. i can't get that back. i can't hold him no more, i can't hear him calling me daddy no more, i can't kiss and no more. i have to put my son in the ground and now, and he's only one. his birthday is in two months. he didn't live to see two, he didn't live life. >> to the cowards who did this, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

everybody talks about black lives matter, what about babies lives? >> they are sitting in a barbecue in his little chair and he was shot in the stomach and later died. "the new york post" covered this why is this not getting the attention it deserves? >> i just seem to think it's being overwhelmed by the narrative. and look at the mayor that new york has. he's got these problems, murders and shootings are rising to levels we haven't seen in years. and what is he off to do? street theater. he goes out of paint "black lives matter" in front of donald trump's apartment. it's hard to see the achievement bill de blasio has. he inherited the safest big city in america on the results of what you are seeing in that story. it's heartbreaking for those innocent people that are literally caught in the gunfire.

>> sandra: meanwhile, to politics that you cover every single day and what's happening in washington, you had a ceo of a major american company to visit the white house and praise on the president for his business policies. then you had a boycott of goya foods. you are writing about it in "the wall street journal," aoc's hill of beans. they aren't interested in facts or debates and they aren't interested because they only tear down. gioia now has their attention not because boycotting will boycotting will feed and want but if it has their attention. there's now a hashtag buy goya online. your thoughts? >> i think this is absurd, it's the largest hispanic owned food company in america. it should be celebrated as a

success, which it was in the obama administration and the trump administration. they are all in a tizzy because the ceo was polite to his host, president trump. i don't think it's going to consider succeeded. it's just a virtue signaling. this guy is the latest in the cross hairs. i'm encouraged that he doesn't seem to be checked linked to the demand. they told fox, noel, when they asked if he was going to apologize. i think this may fail spectacularly about the progressives don't care. they are not about results, they are about theater. >> sandra: bill mcgurn, great to see you, thanks. >> the l.a. unified school district as well as san diego announced that they are going to enter into the fall school season the way they ended last school year and that is by utilizing distance learning. i want to just acknowledge and

applaud the leadership of those districts. >> john: that's california governor gavin newsom announcing that los angeles and san diego schools will start the school year with online classes amid skyrocketing coronavirus cases in the state. atlanta will begin at school you're online as well. all this as 41 states not reporting an increase in daily cases. jonathan serrie is live in atlanta for us this morning. good morning jonathan. >> governor newsom has also ordered bars to close in addition to indoor restaurant bump dining rooms also movie theaters in addition to some other indoor commercial establishments. additionally, most california counties are going to have to close. personal-care salons, worship services, fitness centers and endorse shopping malls. >> it's incumbent upon all of us to recognize that covid-19 is not going away anytime soon.

until there is a vaccine or an effective therapy. >> in addition to the los angeles unified school district, the nation's second-largest school district, san diego announced that they will be providing online only education in the fall. the superintendent of the l.a. school district says that health and safety of all in the school community is not something we can compromise. los angeles mayor eric garcetti was asked to predict whether the rollbacks would go further in his city. take a listen. >> do you want the state mandated a state-mandated stay-at-home order to return? >> we had a stay-at-home order, not everything was always close but if we go to read, that's where we will be. >> california health officials aren't reporting a daily increase of 3,058 new cases, that's new cases in a single day and that brings a statewide total to more than 329,000.

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>> i'm not sure how many times it has to be said, the risk of children from this disease for fatality is nearly zero. i never hear anyone talk about the harms of closing schools. the harms are against the children, anyone who prioritizes children would open the school. this is a level of hysteria. i feel like i'm living in a

costco novel here. people from all over the world are stunned that we are simply willing to destroy our children on some bizarre notion that is completely contrary to the science. >> sandra: that was senior fellow at stanford's hoover institution and former chief of neuroradiology at stanford medical center. all this reopening schools this fall. states like florida are now seeing an uptick in cases, unprecedented surges in some areas. the sunshine state now has more than 280,000 confirmed cases, more than all that nine countries worldwide. florida senator marco rubio is chairman of the intelligence community and joins us now with more. good morning senator. i will ask the question that all of us as parents are asking each other, we are asking the leaders of the local, state and federal level. can our kids get back to school

safely, will this happen? >> i think it's pretty clear by now that the people running our schools and our states are not going to open up our schools as long as infection rates are at a certain level so that puts the onus on all of us be whether you believe it's safer not to get that infection rates under control. i hope as we make these decisions that it undergoes the cost-benefit analysis clearly. there is the benefits of closing schools, and the community spread that we are seeing in the outbreaks, i understand it's not inconsequential and it's a real threat. the costs are significant though, imagine if you are a single mother that has to be at work every day at 8:00 a.m., your job depends on it, what do you do with your nine year old? who are probably dropping them off with the lady in the neighborhood takes care of every kid in the neighborhood and that's risky, too. it has an economic impact, learning impact and long-term impact which will be with us long after the pandemic has

passed. there will always be risks as long as there is no immunity from this virus so we will have to do the best we can and be flexible. but at some point, schools really do need to read reopen. >> sandra: we will talk about it in the fall, planning has to be in place to safely get kids back in. you go back to what you just heard from the former chief of neuroradiology at stanford medical center talking about the harm to children if we keep schools closed. he said nobody is talking about that? >> that needs to be part of the equation. and the harm is more than just learning games. a lot of the child-abuse occurrences in the country are identified in schools when you see kids throwing up with bruises and other injuries. that's why i think every teacher who has the condition or someone at home should have the option of being able to not be forced to go into work and put their lives in danger without their

loved one. the same as students who are now in that predicament. there has to has to be a nonschool option but we have to be extra hard to be as flexible as we can't figure out a way to get those who do need to be in school into a brick and mortar facility so they can learn. this is particularly important for working families. i think more affluent families, this is a big hassle but i think they will figure it out. the ones who will be really impacted our working families and low income families and those who don't have those options available to them. >> sandra: but what can we do realistically? talk details. florida is a mess, there's no doubt. cases in florida, 282,435, that is more cases than all but nine countries around the world.

so what details can you provide us at about doing that? how do you get them back into the brick and mortar as you said? >> a couple of points. the first is florida is an enormous state, we have a number of counties in the situation you are describing yourself as, and i think those countries should move forward with the ability to start school on time. and many of them have been open the entire time, we are never going to be at 100%. we have to mitigate risk. and that's places that we can

teach outdoors. i don't think that this has been established and places that local conditions and what that implies. one thing i'd love to see is some sort of matrix. that substantially lower the risk and take it back home to parents and grandparents. >> sandra: every parent wants to ensure the safety of their child, but they want to see a priority on children in this country. this georgetown professor put out a fascinating piece in "the wall street journal" talking about young people sacrifice their lives. they stayed home to protect somebody like him in a high-risk category and he said now, it's my obligation as a teacher to get back on campus this fall. my undergraduate student have

only four years in college and my law students, only three in law school. i have clear memories of how fleeting those years are. we know there is risk, but we want to get the sense of urgency that these teachers, superintendents and then of course the mayors and the governors of the states are placing urgency on this and prioritizing kids and prioritizing education. >> that's part of a catch up that's not being taken into the account. people are going to work at walgreens, they are going to work every day and having to protect them. some of those similarities in the education system. we have to figure out a way to get back into the school. maybe starting a little later, may be flexible with the scheduling but again the biggest

losers in this decision-making will be lower income and working families who do not have those options available to them to simply leave their kids at home and do not have a school that is open. so i do hope we take it more seriously. it's not the sort of decision that should be made cavalierly on the basis of some of the pressure that people are getting in the public square. >> sandra: i want to star start finish up by asking about you, ted cruz, and the ambassador for religious freedom, sam brownback. you've been targeted now by china with sanctions because you have been critical of the country's actions towards minority groups and people of faith. what is happening there and can you give us an update on the situation? >> is pretty simple. china is the totalitarian regi regime, and their religious identity and their names, they call it reeducation camps and in many cases those are not, they are forced labor camps.

it's an outrage and i will continue to speak out on it. i have no intention of traveling to china anytime soon anyway. i'm actually proud of it. i didn't look for it and i'm proud of that band because it shows we are on the right side. any time a totalitarian and evil regime is against do you know you are on right side. >> john: sort of worn like a badge of honor. chris still battling that fire aboard a navy ship docked in san diego facing new challenges as they try to put out the flames. my navy officials are now raising fears about the fate of the ship. plus the commutation of roger stone's acceptance of setting off a firestorm in the nation's capital. what congressional democrats are now demanding. >> i have deep affection for donald trump because i've known him 40 years. he's a man of great justice and fairness and a man of enormous courage. i know he would take some shots

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>> there was no circumstance under which i would bear false witness against the president, i was just not willing to live. they wanted me to be the ham in their hand sandwich because they knew the mueller report particularly on russia was a dud, it was a goose egg. they had nothing and they were hoping i would recharacterize my phone calls. >> john: roger stone speaking

out for the first time since president trump commuted his sentence, a longtime trump associate recusing a prosecution trying to get him to lie about the president, calling the judge in this case "biased" in the system itself "fixed." let's bring in andy mccarthy, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and fox news contributor. judge amy berman jackson as the order of the doj to explain the scope of the commutation in the present wiped out everything except for the conviction in a statement saying "i commute the entirety of the present sentence imposed upon jason stone jr. to expire. i also commit the entirety of the two year term with supervised release with all its conditions and finally, i remit on the unpaid remainder of the $20,00$20,000 fine imposed." andy, you were critical of the judge for even asking for a review of the scope.

>> sheep once she imposed a few sentences, roger stone is not her responsibility anymore. she claims she was making this request on the probation department to see if the supervised release part of the sentence was still in place. i highly doubt that they weren't all that curious about it, but i think it does cause people to wonder and certainly makes me wonder, given the number of terrorists who were pardoned by president clinton and president obama. is there a single judge in the united states or a single probation officer for that matter who's worried about whether the terrorists are reporting? >> he was speaking with sean hannity, and listen to what he said. >> the one thing is that correct

courageous nests of the presidents act. roger stone may be waiting for a pardon after the election. john, i don't like it would have lived that long, not with my asthmatic condition and now 60 covid-19 cases in the present. it is not a reason to commit someone sentence? >> i don't take as a reason to commute a sentence and i don't have a brief for roger stone. that's his guideline sentence of nine years which ended up being something more like 40 months when the judge finally imposed it. but at the same time let's be real. the tendency throughout this country from sea t to to shining is the jailhouse stores being open on a can of coronavirus.

there were hardened criminals being released all of the country and this guy would not have had a chance of being released simply because he is connected to trump which i think is also wrong. >> john: vermont senator pat lahey wants the department of justice to review the commutation suggesting that if that commutation was traded for a promise not to incriminate the president it would be a crime. recently surfaced information indicating the present we have commuted his sentence in exchange for his refusal to incriminate the president pursuant to the inquiry, it's clearly warranted. >> if pat lahey really, really feels that way the senate can look into that and if there's anything there it's likely that the senate will come up with it more than the trump justice department. nothing prevents him from following up on that.

we don't have a comparison between the trump gardens and the clinton pardons because i don't think that will do anybody any good. nothing stops them from looking at that if he wants to. >> john: many of us remember the absolute pardon of susan mcdougall back in 2001. of course she was a leading figure in the whitewater investigation. andy mccarthy, always great to see you. >> sandra: thank you, john. war of words between president trump and joe biden and why the president says biden will destroy the economy of the former vice president wins the white house. plus, why a new report on voter registration can show a big advantage for one of the candidates. former new hampshire governor john sununu will join us live, next. last night's sleep, interrupted by pain?

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old senate seat. he's locked in a race with old auburn university football coach tommy tuberville who has the support of president trump. sessions held that seat for 20 years before he became the attorney general. john? >> john: a presumptive democratic nominee joe biden expected to unveil part two of his economic recovery plan when he hits the campaign trail today. president trump wasting no time dripping into the former vp record saying, if biden wins the economy will crash. joining us now as a governor john sununu, former white house chief of staff, and former governor of new hampshire. governor, it's great to see you this morning. joe biden will be unveiling in his adopted home of farmington, delaware, plans to build the clean energy economy today and the jobs of that we create in the coming weeks, other initiatives like more affordable child care and advancing racial equity, and expanding affordable housing.

it seems to some degree he is trying to go after president trump where president trump lives. >> good morning, john. it's an interesting combination of big agenda. and it's an interesting strate strategy, and i think he is trying to take advantage of the fact that he's pointing it out and i expect an energy industry destruction which will fade from his rhetoric.

not going to give an inch to the vice president in this topic. he was in that office for 48 years and what he did was not great. almost every decision was the wrong decision and now he is trying to come in and help us. we didn't need any help. greatest economy he ever had. >> in terms of the popular vote on the economy, could that potentially put president trump in real difficulty for november 3rd? >> your question says, if he does something to put the president is in difficulty, does that put the president and difficulty? the answer to that is going to be yes. the bad mood i if you will of folks being pulled while the

virus is here and unemployment is high, it will reflect badly on trump. but as you get close to the election, people think long-te long-term. the economy is the driving issue. and we had some good, it's a slow down and holding new voters to the roles during the pandemic has played to the pandemic. can they gain back enough? >> i think they will continue to have an edge on the ground game but from what we seen up here come the ground game and the

democrats, and while the democrats are keeping them out of schools, and that will not happen. that will be at 28, 30, 40,000-point difference if those colleges do not open. >> john: what the president needs to do in terms of education is register more voters. as a campaign doing enough to bring more of those people in the door? and that's a full across-the-board ground game

through the republican party, and through the state and local communities have been aggressively putting in place over the next five months. >> sandra: a surge of gun violence gripping new york city. >> enough is enough. when it's all said and done we never thought we would see or hear of this happening ever again. this happened a few years ago in brownsville where a young baby was shot and a method similar to this. >> sandra: what is causing this spike in crime and what if anything is being done to make the city saver? i had a pair of police officers killed in the line of duty and how the tunnel to towers foundation is helping the families of the fallen officers, next. ♪ ♪

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>> john: the ford motor company is bringing back the bronco. 25 years after ending production of the iconic sport vehicle which of course was not long after the infamous low-speed chase, the new 2021 model will be rolling into showrooms beginning next spring. the starting price tag is around $30,000 but you can gussy it up to about 60 grand fully loaded. if you in for one of those sandra? >> sandra: i don't mind it, it looks actually. just two days after to mcallen, texas, police officers were gunned down in an ambush. the stephen stiller tunnel to towers foundation will be helping the families of both of those fallen officers, paying off their mortgages as part of their phone first responder home program. let's bring in frank stiller,

ceo of tunnel to towers. bobby, good morning to you and frank, always great to see you. you are the widow of a following law enforcement official and you know firsthand what it's like when frank and his foundation step in to help. how did he and the foundation help your family? >> his foundation reached out to us when this tragedy happened with my husband. they were willing and able to pay off our mortgage. it was just a blessing. we were so appreciative for what his foundation does just really alleviates all that financial burden that as a family sometimes we face. being that i am now the sole provider for the family it really helped us so much. >> sandra: our deepest condolences to you and your family for the loss of your husband. incredible, frank, that you are able to step in during the

darkest times for these families and help them in such a great time of need. why is it important to you and the foundation to step in and help these fallen officers. >> you know in these times it's just so upsetting to see what's going on in america. and let's remember, there is a very thin blue line that stands between law and order and chaos. we count on our law enforcement or police officers, our serifs all across the country to protect our families and our communities. right now, we better give them respect and let the families know that we have their back. when someone goes out at night, when they go out to protect our community is as police officers and they give their family a kiss goodbye, their wives and husbands know there's a possibility they are not going to come home. so many times they don't come home and the tunnel to towers foundation, we want to be there to let them know that they will

be there for their families and to take of their mortgages and, in the case of bobby there and a hosea, we definitely paid off their mortgage. i know here, they have a mortgage officer garza and chavez, and we will do the best we can to take care of them. but as usual sandra, go to tunnel to towers.org and donate $11 per month and we can continue to do this. already 30 police officers that have been shot and killed this year, over 116 line in duty -- died in the line of duty but 30 have been murdered. we need to take care of these families as americans and our voice needs to be heard as americans. >> sandra: bobby, as you first handed know that when someone in your family sets and sacrifices along with that person, we are grateful for your husband and grateful for you.

thanks for coming on the program this morning, our best to you. >> thank you, i appreciate that. >> john: another unfortunate loss to contend with, an officer shot and killed a traffic stop near seattle. just the latest in a string of violent attacks on police as major cities struggle with the surge in crime. is it time for the federal government to move in? we will talk about that, coming up. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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>> sandra: police officer is dead and a second is injured after a shooting in washington state overnight. welcome to a brand-new hour of america's newsroom. this tuesday morning, i'm sandra smith. >> john: it's of terrible news coming out of washington. it all unfolded outside of the town of basel, the suspect shot out on officers during a traffic stop. and still coming to grips with the vicious attack. >> this will be a troubling time for our department and our profession. i've worked here for over 25 years and we've never had an officer shot, so this would be some uncharted territory for us and again it's going to be a rough couple days. >> sandra: jonathan hunt is live in our west coast bureau with all of that. >> good morning, sandra. it was around 9:40 p.m. local time last night went to police

officers were involved in a traffic stop and bottle which is about 20 miles northeast of seattle. it's unclear what prompted the traffic stop of the driver took off first in his vehicle and then jumped out and ran. when backup officers arrived they found their two colleagues had been shot. one died and the other is listed in satisfactory condition at the hospital. neither has been identified at this point. the suspect was on a run for three hours and it wasn't a tall 3:30 a.m. that he was found hiding on the rooftop and taken into custody. local council members spoke out in support of their police department, one saying on twitter i'm heartbroken from community and our police officers who have been wounded. another tweeting, my prayers are with the officers who have been shot and their families. according to the national law enforcement officers memorial fund, 70 officers have died in the line of duty in 2020 up to

july 13th. that's down and they died in firearms incidents very slightly up from the 29th killed over the same period last year. 27 died in traffic related accidents, 13 due to other causes. it's worth noting that the officers memorial fund keeps a separate tally of officers who died as a result of covid-19 in the line of duty. that number currently stands at 63. making coronavirus by far the leading cause of law enforcement deaths this year. >> sandra: jonathan hunt reporting from our west coast bureau this morning. thank you. >> john: gun violence soaring in new york city over the last 24 hours, the nypd tells of fox news there were 14 shootings on monday alone.

police also say there were three drive-by shootings in brooklyn last night within minutes of each other. >> at this time nobody is likely to die. the concern that we have with all three of these shooting incidents if there was a white four-door sedan involved in each one of the shootings. >> john: aishah hasnie is live in new york city with more, and a question that a lot of people are asking this morning is what is going on in the big apple? >> even more violence last night, police say this was gang related. emboldened to be able to carry guns on the streets as the weekend violence we are seeing now bleeding into the work week. on monday night a woman was shot four times in the chest, 319-year-olds and a man on a scooter, all attempts of someone in a white four-door car.

police tells "the new york post" that that's bad for a weekend but it's "astronomical for a monday." the threat of gun violence becoming alarmingly routine. june thought saw a 130% spike in shootings. including this past weekend with the death of baby boy. mayor de blasio notes there are too many illegal guns and they had a huge impact, it has created a feeling that it's safe to carry a gun on the streets. >> all the rhetoric of defund the police, get rid of the police, abolish the police, that has to end, it has to stop. we need to find that middle ground of cops and communities working together to handle a lot of these issues. >> john, they may or will be holding his daily briefing at this hour and he will surely be asked about all the violence again.

>> john: at the police benevolent association saying that this cannot be normalized. aishah hasnie for us this morning, thanks so much. sandra? >> i had a biased judgment, i had a stacked jury, i had a corrupt jury for woman. i have a deep affection for donald trump because i've known him 40 years. he's a man of enormous courage and he saved my life and at least on paper he gave me a chance to fight for vindication. >> john: that was roger stone speaking with sean hannity, the president is now facing fallout after granting stone condensate. let's bring in our panel this morning, matt schlapp, and a robber wolf is here, former economic advisor to president obama and fox news contributor.

great to have both of you here this morning. robert, i will start with you first. you had roger stone in that new interview talking about that, this is staggering corruption that the president would actually commute his sentence in saying that it's a threat to national security. so how are democrats going to proceed with this? >> i think the easiest way for democrats to proceed is to listen to attorney general, which would probably haven't agreed on anything over the last three years but he was a guest to giving roger stone clemency because he was convicted of criminal activity and by lying to congress. i think on this one they should listen to what attorney general barr was saying that he was against all love them proceeding this way. >> sandra: but still you had roger stone in that interview calling roger stone courageous and saying he saved his life after what he described as the

most horrible experience. >> the mueller probe was nothing but a trap. you remember, he wasn't pardoned and was given clemency because he's an older man that doesn't pose any physical risk to society. prison and jail should be for people we fear. it should not be for people who get caught up in these political problems. let me say one more thing. if roger stone should go to jail, what about susan rice? andrew mccabe? jim comey, eric holder? democrats get cnn contracts. >> that's total nonsense that matt is talking. there's a rule of law, some of what is indicted by the jury and this has nothing to do with susan rice. but you know president trump has

about 20,000 lives and now matt is just adding to it. >> i didn't say one thing that was inaccurate. >> sandra: if you want to leave that they are, we will move on to campaign in the field for the rnc and president trump's election campaign. that, you have the fox news headlines this morning talking about the reelection campaign for the presidency which has become a behemoth, expanding to 1500 staffers nationwide. how does this work in favor of president trump? >> sandra, there are two components to what is going on in the president's campaign. number one, this 3-1 enthusiasm gap where people supporting trump are three times more excited about supporting him. biden is the democratic nominee but that means that trump campaign is going to have over 2 million volunteers and they already have 4 million

volunteers and there's a pent-up demand to do anything they can to elect their guy. the second piece of this is the paid piece. 1500 paid staffers in over 22 states, not just reelecting donald trump but taking it to nancy pelosi and house majority where they only have to pick up 17 seats. also, the all-important senate majority. >> sandra: i want to talk to about this political, making a sharp pivot toward the latino vote. they are addressing some long-standing criticisms of his outreach efforts with the extra spending, biden has made a sharp pivot towards long-standing criticism of his outstanding outreach.

he has described him as bullish in his chances of winning november. >> he's out raced president trump in both may and june considering he only won the primary in april, and now in texas, and has the largest hispanic population. he mentioned he's putting up his first ad in texas. we know it's a lifetime away, and it democrats feel really well. that being said three months as a lifetime and we have to work hard, and i think to matt's point, the president will have enough resources. vice president biden will have enough resources and everyone will have the ability to vote. >> sandra: so went robert went big picture, let's go big picture. a lot can happen over the next

few months, what does it look like? >> in theory, seriousness, back to blue is this foundation that funds a lot of money for democratic causes. it's funding joe biden's campaign and fighting for nancy pelosi's majority in the house. i think the fact that there is a collision among all these entities set up very nicely for donald trump and republicans to take on this question about whether police should be defunded, whether it's good to have cities that are literally in flames, where people are getting shot which you just recorded on earlier. this question about raising taxes and making it harder to get back to work, these issues of fighting china, fighting with the radicalism of the new democratic party, i think it lays down very well for donald trump.

people are increasingly confident that donald trump's message will save the day and the election. >> well i think we equally find ourselves in a great seat and i would just say, we found out that 5 million more americans don't have health care. during the worst pandemic. i found so many things where the policy will just go our way because we are actually speaking for the people. unfortunately matt and his folks are speaking for just a sliver of those people. >> sandra: now i get final final to matt. five seconds. >> a lot of people are not answering honestly two pollsters because being a republican is equated to racism. they will go quiet, they go out big on election day. there is an under vote like i've never seen in politics.

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>> when she picked up i was just crying, immediately. i said you need to get here. you need to get here. and she said why. and i said it, he got shot in the stomach. and it just broke me down because i didn't know if my son was going to make it or not and he didn't. it's the one that's a father of a 1-year-old baby boy that was shot and killed over the weekend in brooklyn. two men fired at a family cookout, hitting him in the stomach out when he was sitting in his shoulder. and solar. us now is retired nypd

detective. detective. 15 shootings in 15 hours, that's at 277% increase over the last year when they were 13, and that prompted "the new york post" to run this headline today saying, enough. what's going on there in the big apple? >> we have at mayor de blasio who is frequently wrong but never in doubt. he is technically unaware of a few facts. one of the main facts as they are shooting each other now. people are shooting, and the reason they can is because he has empowered and that intersection of elements has created an absolute avalanche of shootings because no no one is stopping them. they'll reform, not being held

in the jails are empty because of covid-19 and guess what, even prosecutors are disinterested. they are shooting each other because they can. i was there in the rock and roll 80s and 90s for the opening day and this is significantly worse. >> john: this idea of bail reform and prison release is something that the nypd commissioner agrees with you on but others say that's not the case. that's a straw man and you are just trying to find a reason for this and it it is because of other things. what do you say to that? >> that's just another manifestation of the broad-based delusion that the leaders of new york are going through. they are delusional. the reality is the bad guys never left. they didn't colonize the moon. handguns are almost infinite.

a gun from 1920 with minimum care and maintenance would still discharge around with the middle like a accuracy 100 years later. kept everything and check but these guys were biding their time, they were waiting at the time now is at hand. a confluence of all these disparate factors when indefensible and reprehensible shooting and killing of george floyd, they'll reform, desecrated police department. it's a perfect criminal storm, john, and the numbers are there and the proof is in the pudding. >> commissioner shea also accuses city leaders of bowing to mob rule. the new york city police benevolent association which has been on a tear on their twitter feed over this tweeted out recently, "what did you think would happen? these are consequence of changes, but those budget cuts

aren't not yet going into effect. >> it is but it's really an element. it's important to understand the evolution of the empowerment of the criminal. they are carrying guns because they are not being searched. they are not being searched because frequently wrong but never in doubt de blasio disbanded the unit that does that job. the men and women who, i'm not going to jail. and the guy immediately i think that shooting of the 1-year-old

new york city congresswoman double down on her assertion yesterday that the property from covert closures is behind the rise. most of them have experienced or seen these issues firsthand, but i have. poverty and client to wasn't poverty that drove the shooting of the 1-year-old baby. >> the bad guys are carrying the guns again because they can and because of all the factors that i outlined and the reality is that now, the gun was hidden in the mailbox. it's now in the waistband, readily available to fill out

street justice. readily availability, and those are the facts. >> john: it took years to make new york city the biggest and safest city in america and that's all coming unraveled in just a couple of weeks. pat brosnan, great to talk to you. >> sandra: joe biden revealing new details from his economic recovery plan. and already president trump is firing back saying the former vp will destroy the economy if he wins. and of the push to reopen schools in the fall, will that happen? donna brazile and a doctor nicole saphier will join us together on that growing debate next. >> i believe in school choice, the science on it is pretty clear about kids being extremely low risk when it comes to the virus. can my side be firm?

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in his first term if he wins. that explained why his target is not 20-35 instead of 20-50. my plan is focused on taking action now. god willing i win and even if i serve eight years i want to make sure i put down a marker that's impossible for the next president to turn it around. that biden climate announcement moves him closer to the position of bernie sanders who had a lot of input into a report delivered with recommendations from a unity task force. they are trying to expand the map into a bright red texas where a win would block just about every trump pathway at two elections. now he's running tv ads about covid-19 as president trump tries to change the subject to the economy.

>> president trump: if joe biden got in this economy would be destroyed. you know, he was in office for 48 years and what he did was not great. >> this event today will be biden's first and personal event since last thursday when he was in scranton, pennsylvania. we are just a few minutes away from his house in delaware where he spends most of his time at the remarks will be at therally. at the difference being there to the public. >> john: we will be talking to todd bevan from real clear politics about the tracking there in texas and whether or not biden could make some inroads. we will see. speak to the school should be opened. the kids want to go to school and you are losing a lot of

lives by keeping things closed. >> sandra: that was president trump pushing to get schools reopen for the fall but there are a growing safety concerns about a nationwide spike in new coronavirus cases. so how can a kid safely returned to classrooms in the fall? let's bring in donna brazile, and dr. nicole safire. both are fox news contributor's. the cdc has laid out the guidelines, at the federal level the president said school should reopen. so what is the case against reopening the schools, why are some saying it's not time, we can't do this safely yet. >> this is a case of dichotomous need to. we want to make sure that our children come to our educators are physically healthy and safe from covid-19 while at the same time making sure our children have the fundamental education and develop it that they need.

when you look at the cdc guidelines one important caveat is it discusses in places where bible transmission is down like new york and new jersey, maine and connecticut, those are the places that really should be looking hard at making sure that schools are opening. places where viral transmission is high, that's put out into viral transmission is high in the community, the last thing we want our schools to open and then have to close again. we as adults have to take responsibilities and do what we can to lessen that viral transmission even by being strict in the social distancing measures for the next two weeks, that will drop viral transmission and help us push forward to getting the schools open. >> sandra: donna, i want to play for you this sound from dr. scott atlas. he's in neuroradiologist, former chief of stanford health for that very field. he spoke very passionately about

getting kids back into the classroom, listen. >> i'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the risk to children for this disease for fatality is nearly zero. the harms are against the children, anyone who prioritizes children would open the school. this is a level of hysteria, i feel like i'm living in a costco novel here. >> sandra: so react to that, donna. democrats think that they will do better to keep schools close, and it would help them with the election? >> i'm going to ignore the president and also ignore that doctor that was on last night. i want to agree 100% with dr. safire. i'm an educator, and most

educators want to get back to school but, we want to make sure, all hands on deck. medical officials, educators, parents and community leaders. we have to make sure everyone follows all the guidelines especially the cdc guidelines. that's when we have to make sure the schools are ready, social distance and making sure teachers have the appropriate protective gear. have to make se that we have disinfectants and clean schools and clean buses. it's very important that we reopen safely, using the appropriate medical information, but i want to tell my fellow americans out there, but this mask on. let's protect our young people and protect our community so we can get back to school and reopen safely and we all support that. address the concern that we are hearing from teachers. let me redo this

"wall street journal" piece from a georgetown professor on the need to be on campus. and he says i am at high risk for a covid-19 but i'm obligated to give my georgetown students the education they pay for. i would be a professor if i didn't believe there was significant value in higher education. given what the younger generations have done for me, i believe i have the responsibility took them the best learning experience that i can and that means being in the classroom for them. obviously from the medical side we have to figure out how to do it safely. >> let me tell you, i'm the mother of three boys and all three boys have been home with me distance learning. online education does not equate in person learning. they've all struggled with studies and from a mental health perspective and i desperately

want my children back in school. covid-19 does not affect children, the way flu and other viruses does. however, what about the educators? what about the multigenerational families? the good news is, not only are children not as severely affected by covid-19 but they don't seem to transmit it as well so therefore we should be moving forward to opening schools to to allow in person teaching while also keeping our educators safe. i'm calling on the american people the same way you rallied around us frontline health care workers making sure we had ppe and food and water and anything else we could have possibly needed to stay open. let's treat our educators as the same front-line workers who are tasked with responsibility of caring for our children. >> sandra: amen. this is a shutdown and some of these districts and you have governor newsom acting in california and you have some universities that shut down even before giving it a shot. senator marco rubio's that give

people an option. here's the senator this morning. >> every teacher who has a condition or someone at home should have the option of not being able to not be forced to go into work and put their lives in danger, and there has to be in a option for people and we have to figure out a way to get those in school into a brick-and-mortar's facility. >> sandra: i know you said you didn't want to react to the president's words, and not send them back to school. but at least react to the politics. our kids are the priority and we need to get them educated. why have we seen some of these politicians already given in and to close schools say we can't reopen?

>> one reason i try to stay within the politics of this is covid has impacted us all but as you well know the inequities have been exposed throughout this pandemic have fallen with the most vulnerable population. and we also want the others to get back to work so everyone can have the resources. i want to go back to the central tenets, we got to do this safely. if we do this safely, we will all have that opportunity. my colleagues at georgetown, i have elected to do the hybrid. those of us who are professors, i have a hybrid. i love being in my classrooms sandra, i miss my students because they give me my energy, my strength and my vision. i want to be back in my classroom, i will have all my

protective gear, and i want to be back in my classrooms. i know some of my students will come back and some of my students will not. we have to be flexible but we also need to listen to the medical experts and also the parents, the educators and if the american academy of pediatrics says it's more important to get kids back to school even with the risks involved. i think this is important to get in here, the loss of instruction outweighs the covid-19 risks. >> i can tell you -- let me tell

you, my youngest of three just finished kindergarten virtually. it was so difficult for him and i will tell you that i accept that there is going to be risks to reopening the school but i can tell you that little boy getting back into that classroom is a vital are not only his fundamental education but his development. he needs it. he needs the social interaction and the socialization skills and i'm very concerned about the younger generation if we do not do everything we can to get them back in class. >> i speak from someone with experience, i'm worried about the digital divide. actually, i want to see schools reopen safely. i trust the local mayor's, i trust our state governors, i trust the local health officials that they are working with. the noise that we hear around washington, d.c., as just noise, let's work together and let's bring our educators and parents together. we can make this work and we can do it safely but in those areas

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>> sandra: well, some americans could soon see a big increase in their property taxes as well as other taxes. let's bring in charles payne, host of fdn's making money." >> it's kind of nuts. these municipalities are blaming covid-19 and there are obviously more, since associated with it

but nashville increasing property taxes, dallas wherepits tax on at the home of wall street, and the end new jersey talks about raising property taxes here. you know sandra, these things simply do not work. what usually happens is we saw nashville grow rapidly because a state of tennessee has no taxes or very low taxes, and we sought taxes rise rapidly. we don't wanted to mimic other cities, particularly black middle-class folks. working-class people have been leaving new jersey for years for the past decade. these are suicidal taxes that will hurt low income and middle-class people more than anyone else. lower taxes might actually be generating a bigger bottom line ended i know it's hard for them to believe with these sort of

onerous taxes that haven't worked. >> here's the warning of tax hikes, you noted several major areas in the country that could see this. those tax hikes in new jersey will likely -- talking about tax increases. she said these are the last choices and tools that we want to use, and that you and i have talked about we have had them triple quadrupled in the last several years. >> we are talking about households where they are making 180,000 per year, but people cannot afford to live in new york city, you have to be

ultra-wealthy at this point. they need to have lower taxes, they need to bring in the industries and bring in companies that create jobs. they train the locals on how to do those jobs. and the problems have just gotten worse. i don't know when the bell rings but maybe, we should do this differently because after five or six decades of doing this, it's the black folks and they has hispanic folks, the working-class whites that are not moving. the only time they do well is when they leave those fates to those cities. >> sandra: charles payne, thank you sir. >> john: a sandra, thanks. gun sales setting new records across the country. why americans are looking to arm themselves now. to start the process.

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>> john: it gun sales rising across the united states as america looks to arm arm themselves and a series of unprecedented events across the country. let's bring in carley shimkus. let's bring up this headline in "the wall street journal," which exemplifies what's going on in the country. a record number of americans tried to buy guns and they cite the coronavirus pandemic. george floyd's killing and efforts to defund the police. why are they buying the guns? personal safety or digital want to have more guns. >> i believe it was sir isaac newton john who said every action has an equal and opposite reaction. in this case a local reaction and calls to defund the police has led to the reaction of people wanting to defend themselves. they are not hurting for

business. in june, background checks were up 136% compared to the same time last year. the fbi has never conducted more background checks for folks who are seeking a license to carry. as for the question of who is buying guns, the answer is just about every group of people, most notably first-time gun buyers who are accounting for much of the sales. so these are men and women who are buying handguns. for their own personal safety. >> john: it's the sales predominantly handguns for every single rifle or shotgun sold. two handguns are sold and we all know that when people are looking for personal defense, even though most experts will tell you that the best home defense is to have a shotgun because when it's dark and your adrenaline is pumping, it's difficult to aim a handgun unless you are really, really well-trained.

so people are looking for this aspect of self-defense it would appear. >> we also do know that this becomes an issue very quickly. democrats will look at this report and absolutely hate it, and republicans would say to that, they are also calling for no guns and we don't want you to have either one of those but you certainly can't have both. on the docket right now, even more so, and he is facing criticism for getting rid of that anticrime a plainclothes unit that gets guns off the street. lots of gun talk right now and a lot of people are looking for firearms to protect themselves. >> john: a real troubling indication of where we are, this article in "the wall street journal" cited some people saying, they are bright a cannot protect them so

they cannot protect themselves. >> is well documented that there is a spike in gun sales, and they are looking to protect themselves right now. >> john: carley shimkus with us this morning. >> sandra: another deadly attack on law enforcement last night as violent crime rates rise amid calls to defund the police. a brand-new reaction from the white house as we come on back for a new hour. new microban 24

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>> sandra: we begin with the fox news alert, an accused cop killer in custody after an all-night manhunt in a seattle suburb. please say it started when they tried to pull over a car but the driver hit the gas and eventually ditched the ride. a police chase the man but the suspect started shooting when the police closed in. one of those officers was killed and another has been wounded. the police captain in bothell, washington, responding to all of it. >> this will be a troubling time for our department in our profession. i worked here for over 25 years and we've never had an officer shot. so this is some uncharted territory for us and again it will be rough couple days. >> sandra: is a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington this morning. that attack on police coming

hours after a white house roundtable highlighted the importance of our nation's law enforcement and just days after two police officers were killed in texas. president trump blasting democrats for efforts to defund police departments while linking the movement to a spike in violence in major cities. >> president trump: in recent weeks our countries police officers have been really under siege. reckless politicians have defamed our law enforcement heroes as the enemy, even called them an invading army. these radical politicians want to defund and abolish the police. violent crime is spiraling in their cities and it's all far left cities where they have no understanding of what has to be done. they don't have a clue. >> john: more on this in a moment, with the assistant to the president for domestic policy who was at the law enforcement roundtable but first we begin with kristin fisher who is live on

the north lawn. >> president trump is once again threatening federal intervention in cities like new york and chicago, unless those cities democratic leaders can get the violence under control. on that roundtable president trump really singled out chicago and compared it to the countries longest one more.r cities because we can't let that happen. it's worse than afghanistan, i hate to say it. that's worse than any war zone that we are in by a lot. it looks like it makes them look like team places by comparison. >> in recent weeks, lori lightfoot has been critical of the president accusing him of being of divisive leader who demonized the city is led by democrats holy for political gain. she did say this yesterday. >> the reality is you look at

the root cause of the violence, this is a generations of lack of investment, generations where we haven't created real opportunities, particularly for young men of color. they believe that their destiny is on the corner. we are not going to change that around in a few weeks. >> a few other things to watch today, republica republican sen. will it be successful? the other big question is, do other school districts across the country come forward and say that they would only be holding classes online in august? that is what two of california's largest school districts, san diego and los angeles did yesterday. really, do they follow suit? >> it's a real possibility.

we will be speaking by the way, kristin fisher at the white house, kristin, thanks. >> thank you for all of that. let's bring bring in jeron smith. i don't think we've spoken before so welcome to "america's newsroom." >> thanks for having me. >> sandra: i was struck by lori lightfoot. she says that she are is not going to change this or turn it around in the next few weeks. and we realize that opportunity

all of those councils are focused, and they had convening to deal with this very issue, but we are not working with the mayor. we heard that they are at this press conference. by the way, we invite her all the time to talk. she sort of had this, be careful what you're asking for. we would have to eliminate the lowest level of our police force, many of whom come a majority of whom are african-american. >> and that makes no sense. i think what we try to do, we did it with congressman danny davis and put politics aside, and we leverage opportunity zones, and we are willing to go

back and to do the work. these issues aren't about politics, they are about outcomes and honestly some of these things have happened for over 30 years. many leaders promised that they want to do reform and don't lift a finger but i would invite mer to work with us. we've worked with other democratic mayors, and we are really moving the needle in those communities. >> sandra: the police chief in mcallen, texas, who just lost those two police officers just went on fox news. the policing system, it's not flawless. human beings make mistakes and,

there isn't a better system out there. >> this isn't just a democrat, it shows up in the polls. there are bipartisan calls for police reform, and where do you see common ground? >> they were creating a car responder program which would police officers on the job. especially when it comes to issues like use of force. they are looking at how do we deal with issues such as racial profiling? senator scott really push to

have that done, and they are willing and waiting to do just that. >> seems to be a lot of republicans when we look at 2020 and we see this issue as it takes shape, that joe biden wants to defund the police. his campaign is making it very clear that he is actually a pose that movement. they support the need for urgent overhaul after the killings of many black men and women across the country. here is a bit from a joe biden interview last week and i want to get your reaction to it. >> military recruitment for law enforcement, they don't need that. last thing you need is an up armored humvee coming into a neighborhood to come like the military invading. they don't know anybody, they are supposed to be protecting these people. >> we agree that we can redirect

some of the funding? >> yes, absolutely. >> sandra: so he's talking about redirecting some of the funding. so we are light years away from actual election day but this has emerged as one of the biggest issues as we work away from november. >> many of these police department, and when we have overwhelming violence, we want to protect that community. we had a 4-year-old die in kansas city. we need to figure out a way to give the police the resources they need to do their job and create safety for their community. >> sandra: what do you characterize the presidents opinion on this issue?

>> these are pockets of urban cities and, these are nonpartisan issues. >> sandra: thank you very much for coming on. >> john: turning out to the headlines on the coronavirus pandemic, california governor gavin newsom rolling back reopening after movie theaters engines. he's saying this is more of a dimmer switch than an off button amid it the increasing, for refrigerated trucks. parents think there was at least

some risk, and they are pushing for him in person classes and threatening to push funding for schools offering remote learning only. >> sandra: fox news alert, a u.s. air force fighter jet crashes in new mexico. what we are learning about the fate of the pilot. plus new polls showing a reliably red state could be in play where democrats are placing their hopes and how president trump is firing back. >> sandra: i call them radical lip, and yet they will go and march on areas and rip everything down around them. but you are not going to have it with me.

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>> sandra: the u.s. air force announcing a fighter jet crashed during takeoff attempt. the incident happened yesterday and the pilot on board successfully ejected and suffered only minor injuries. an investigation into the cause is underway, this is a fifth crash of an air force fighter jet since may. >> this virus is tough but texas

is tougher. we can stop the spread, and we can do both the simple things in the hard things to their families and he perceived. >> john: joe biden's campaign rolling out a new campaign commercial focusing on covid-19 and targeting several hard-hit states including texas. a growing number of polls show the race is getting tighter there, which then candidate trump won by almost nine points back in 2016. joining us now is tom bevan who is the cofounder and editor at real clear politics. tom, when you go to real clear politics.com and look at the polls, you don't have an rc average yet but you have polls that show biden up by five and show trumped up by four, five and up by one and a trumped up by one. is texas really in play this year? >> the data suggest that it is, without a variety of polls showing anywhere from trumped up upupa point or two come up bidep

four or five. it's one of those states that have been changing and right voters have registered there between 2018 and 2020. a lot of folks are moving in from other states and they have made the change in demographics, again, you've still got more registered voters and more of registered republicans than you do democrat. >> let's put that up on the screen so people can look. biden 45%, trump 44%. if ever there was a reliably red state and all of them, and we have a lot of democratic cities

as well. if change is enough, then 2020 could be the decider. we thought, will georgia go blue, and it didn't, it stayed red but now there's questions as to whether he could flip blue 2020. is it trending in that direction or could it tip? >> we will wait and see. this could be the year. we have a lot of competitive races in the summer, and blue texas has been a dream and it hasn't come to pass. they said again, there's more evidence shifting in their direction. could this be the year? we will have to wait and see. we had two and a half million voters and we will have to wait

and see. we are told by the trump campaign, what we tell about our internal polls, and that's what we read on the real clear politics website shows that it's down. who should we believe? >> if the trump campaign, it does get to the question of, and then that's who they think and make educated guesses about what the electorate will look like in november. the trump campaign is making

different gases about who will show up in november. >> john: in terms of polls versus actual votes, the election and the primary in alabama, jeff sessions against the former auburn coach tommy tuberville. throwing in a hundred percent his support behind president trump and, there hasn't been a lot of public polling on this. the data that we have seen, you can get that by the body language and the campaigns. jeff sessions has been tweeting out that tommy tuberville is sort of a closet liberal and he is the opposite of a swamp preacher and is deceiving alabama voters. i'm with president trump, i'm a christian conservative, i'm an outsider. but again we have to wait until

all the votes are counted. >> john: he saying he's there to drain the swamp of creatures like jeff sessions so we will see what voters decide later today. >> the brush to reopen schools in the fall and the challenges that we face. can this get done right? congressman chris smith can tell us how they plan to do it in new jersey. plus roger stone slamming his prosecution as he speaks out for the first time since president trump commuted his prison sentence. >> there was no circumstance i was just not willing to live.

>> john: the family of a 1-year-old boy shot dead at a family cookout over the weekend in new york city sharing an emotional message last night on hannity. >> to the cowards that did this you should be ashamed of yourself. because everybody talks about black lives matter, what about baby lives? you can go to, and excuse my expression but you took something that was precious to me, precious to my son, something precious from his mother and he cannot come back,

he cannot wake back up. >> john: nick divella gartner jr. was one of at least 35 people shot into dozen shootings over the weekend. so far there have been no arrests in the boy's death >> this is the most horrible experience you can have and i see immediately why 99% of the people who choose to plead not guilty and go to trial loose. when you are up against the horrific and deep-pocketed resources of the federal government and these really sadistic and arrogant, politically motivated prosecutors. >> sandra: roger stone speaking out for the first time since president trump commuted his prison sentence. the longtime trump associate accusing the prosecution of trying to get him to lie about the president. now democrats are demanding a legal review of that commutati commutation. let's bring in jason chaffetz, former congressman at fox news

contributor. first your reaction to democrats planning to -- if they want some sort of legal review of that, where does that go? >> it goes nowhere. i thought the interview sean hannity did last night was a fascinating one, but he has the authority to do what he did in a very legal way. he let the entire process rollout but to commute the sense that his sentence was reasonable and justified and the democrats are just barking up a tree that has nothing in it. >> so he cast the justice system as unfair. he leveled attacks both on the prosecutors and the judge in this case and said the president saved me. listen, here's more from the interview. >> i know there were many people who told him in the election year, don't do this. he's a man of great justice and fairness, he's a man of enormous

courage and i think most people, most fair-minded people understand, he saved my life. >> sandra: he called it the most horrible experience at held the president enormously courageous. >> i think from his perspective i could totally understand why that's the case. he was facing up to 40 months in prison and i liked the way the department of justice went after him with all of us teams, and looking at his arrests and doing all those things they did with the jury. i think it was just an embarrassment of how the department of justice handled this. i think donald trump set it right. >> sandra: that's your take on that. meanwhile i wanted to ask you about this headline. a push for a new campaign opening act, michael flynn after a prolonged battle against robert mueller's prosecutors,

flynn's status in maga world as a fighter has grown. what do you take away from this? >> i think it would be a mistake to put them out on the campaign trail. i think the injustice that general flynn went through through the department of justice, the personal involvement of president barack obama and vice president biden needs to be continued to be investigated. that is as sole and separate issue from the fact that general flynn lied multiple times to the vice president of the united states. he lied to the chief of staff and when donald trump personally fired him, i don't think that should be rewarded with a spot on the campaign trail. that's just my take on it. >> sandra: the trump campaign

and those are including former house speaker newt gingrich, he says he's a perfect example of deep state victimization, pretty powerful he said. lots of people would come see it. final thoughts? >> i wouldn't do that because you can't glide to the vice president. donald trump did the right thing by firing him. look at the independents and others and that i think sends the wrong message. >> sandra: interesting take on that. >> we have a strong bias toward getting back to school. we will not be beaten or bludgeoned into doing this. we will be doing this, all live. the parents and grandparents his kids go home too. >> schools are working, the harm

from lost instruction outweighs the risk from covid-19. joining us now is chris smith of new jersey. daily coronavirus cases in the garden state now down to about 224 per day. that's a state that has a population of some 9 million people. are you at a point with the virus where it is safe for them to open the schools? >> i think that decision has been made very meticulously. many of the students, and i have grandchildren who are in school, they get their instruction from the teachers at home who are in a safe environment, there are so many unknowns still about the coronavirus and they re-manifest

themselves. they are saying they must go for two days, and i believe that you still and that's the input to the student. >> john: it sounds to me that if i'm reading it correctly the thinking might not be it's time to go back to school? >> that's scientist and the cdc from elsewhere. we don't want reemergence, we don't want young people getting sick or bringing it home to their parents or the teachers. that would also be at further risk contracting the disease.

if and only f, and i say that with capital letters, it is sa safe. their welfare comes first. >> john: let's move on to international relations. because sam brownback and former governor have been barred from entering china, not that you're planning on going, for retaliation for sanctions of the united states has put on china regarding its treatment of the uighurs. marco rubio said he's wearing it like a badge of honor. >> i think it's outrageous and it's at further amount of bullying from xi jinping. i've worked for human rights issues in china for the entirety of my career, the that went into hyperdrive in tiananmen square, and it was worse than eveunderxd

that there would be human rights, called basic law until 2047. they dishonor themselves and that promise and very important, the muslim uighurs who are now the subject of with forced abortion and forced sterilization, concentration camps that as you know, we had one or 2 million people. we heard from a woman, the mother of three who got out eventually who talked about the torture that is daily imposed upon uighurs including women, and she said it, i prayed it to all of that i would die. that's a kind of situation that we have going into china is exporting its malign influence all over the world. i wrote an op-ed for that

"washington post" about how we have to really relay on the side. and that's being forced into following xi jinping's principles of marxism. i hope to go to hong kong, and i've been denied a visa before. i was there with frank wolf in the 2008 olympics and we went before the olympics they are all being denied access to the journalists coming into the olympics. including trying to smear us in many ways. we will double down on behalf of the oppressed. and whether or not we may be able to get past the band.

good to talk to you, thanks so much. >> sandra: could washington de cv the first state? a proposal to make just that happen, just past the house. plus, the washington redskins announcing a pending name change. congresswoman eleanor holmes norton supports that move and she will join us to talk about her efforts to give the nfl team a new home once the team officially drops its name as well as a push to make d.c. a state, that's all coming up, next.

>> john: if what we are going through isn't enough, public health officials say a squirrel in colorado has tested positive for bubonic plague. the squirrel was discovered in morrison which is just west of denver. humans can contract the plague through bites from an infected animal or infected fleas and they are urging caution for pet

owners in the area saying "all pet owners who live close to a wild animal population such as perry dog colonies were wild animal habitats shouldn't ask their veterinarian about flea control for their pets. >> i like the warriors. >> nfl fans of upset as the redskins announced they will retire their name and logo. that would allowed the team to relocate from maryland and washington once they officially change their name. eleanor holmes norton serves on the house oversight and transportation committees and joins us now. thanks for being here. why did you first of all support the name change? >> the name change was necessary because it's a racial slur.

even before the george floyd demonstration indicated that the nation were no longer tolerating that, we and the nation's capital will not tolerate it. the name change would have occurred years ago. i had a bill to bring the team back, the district could move it in the congress because we had to get federal land, because it is federal land. and of course now i can move that bill but there is still no guarantee that that land will be used for this team. >> sandra: so you want to find a new home once the team officially drops its name. so you can give us any further update on that? >> now that they have been forced to drop their name, and fedex said that they wouldn't no

longer observe the naming rights that they owned. but that doesn't move the bill -- that moves the bill forward but it does not decide to use. this is what to keep in mind. once the district of columbia gets the land, there is a serious dispute among elected officials, local officials in the district of columbia. should the land to be used for a football stadium that will use it for maybe eight games or should it be used for, for example, affordable housing which is virtually disappeared from the district and other amenities. so there is yet another great divide, this team is coming back. >> so now to the push to make

d.c. a state, so what is your take on this happening and what is your reaction to the passing in the house and in the senate? >> for me it was both a professional and personal triumph. it's passed this bill, it's passed overwhelmingly and it, why not? the district has a better bond rating than 35 states, it pays the most and federal taxes per capita of any jurisdiction and the united states, it raises more money than 22 states to give to the federal government. therefore, of the union. the next step of course is go to the senate and while it is very difficult, it should be

noted. as i speak, of course things will change, and the senate is likely to change hands and become democratic and even worse trouble is the president of the united states who has the lowest favorables and memory. >> sandra: but to this decision what do you think happens? >> if it goes onto the senate, and it will be light years ahead, even then a sheer majority won't be enough and we saw work to do. >> sandra: thought the same time you are making a prediction for what happens, got it. congressman, thank you for coming on. to be one of the surging coronavirus cases causes growing concerns about safely opening schools for the fall. that's one major district that

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>> john: at the san diego unified school district in the months i've and several other districts in the country to announce that they will stay close when school begins and connect only online classes amid a surging coronavirus cases. let's bring in sidney martin, superintendent of san diego unified school. i know you've still got plans to get students back to school five days a week, but what was it like to make that decision yesterday too, at least for the beginning of the school year ago with the online option? >> nobody knows it better than i do after being a teacher in the classroom for 30 years, we know

how important it is to get kids back to school and in person learning, for five days a week in person learning and put putting in what was necessary, and with the rising cases in california, what we are seeing here is happening, just not yet. that's the countries that have managed to safely reopen the schools, and that's on demand at testing that's normal and california has neither. it's really important for us to look at that availability of testing and rates of infection and that has shown us everything that school has shown such an essential part. at many essential communities are the hardest hit. that some of the hardest hit, our parents and our nurses, for starters, teachers and essential workers and those of them to st

heading in the right direction. we have a clear north star, and that's essential and at the forefront of every decision we will make. >> john: is so they are saying we got to get the kids back in schools and threatening to withhold a federal funding from that school districts, and what do you say to the president? >> are a state of has a budget reduction. we had a san diego throughout california that opening our schools, with the protective action we need will cost more money and not less money. california made that decision to not reduce the education

spending because that federal advocacy is critically importa important. it's important that everybody is here on that. >> john: at the federation of teachers is saying don't force teachers to get back into the classrooms because they are very frightened, listen to what randi weingarten said. >> we will lose a lot of really good teachers because they are scared and they don't know who to believe or what to believe. we can't be a science deniers in the middle of a pandemic. >> john: cyndi barton, what are you hearing from your teachers and what they are saying about the potential to get back in school? >> you know, our teachers love our students, they want to be learning and they are still learning with their online platform. we pivoted on march 13, when we need the tough decision to close, we passed out 63 crumpled computers and delivered the best online and robust learning

program that we could do. we passed out 3 million meal services, and all that was in place. we need to make sure it's going to work in a way that they feel safe and away they put the proper protections in place. we are looking at the infection rates and our teachers are working with us on that. it's important to give that back and make the safety conditions work. >> john: it's a little disappointing that it's online now but we know you are trying. >> our teachers know that we put the scientific summit together next week and will be working with the ucsc doctors so everyone will be letting science lead the way on this. >> john: sidney martin, thanks for joining us, we will be right back.

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