at 7:00 and i'll see you tomorrow on the fox report at 6:00 p.m. ♪ >> good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." i am lisa boothe filling in for tucker. after a few minutes, mark steyn will be reemerging and tucker is back to join us. first, mayhem is ripped the city of portland, oregon. take a look. >> why are you coming for me? why are you coming for me?

>> lisa: portland has now experienced 50 straight days of left-wing violence. last night a violent mob attempted to overrun a police station and burn it to the ground. they have toppled statues, destroyed property, and attacked the police. one report from earlier this week. >> according to police, not only did protesters take over the streets but threw rocks, bottles and more last night. police say one officer was hurt when a brick was thrown at him. police say that protesters interfered with interest and pointed lasers at their eyes. >> lisa: portland's leaders have failed to rein in the violence. it's not clear they are even trying. instead they are passing blame on the federal law enforcement officer trying to restore order. here's portland's mayor, ted wheeler. >> what i have a problem with is them leaving the facilities, going out on the streets of this community and escalating an already tense situation like

they did the other night. >> lisa: got that? law enforcement is responsible for the violence. the looting, arson, graffiti is their fault, not the mob. portland's mayor is telling you the exact opposite of the truth. here's how one portland police officer described the mob. >> it's is something very when you're at a black lives matter protest you have more minorities on the police side then you have a nonviolent crowd, and you have white people screaming at black officers. you have the biggest nose i've ever seen. having people tell you need to quit the job. you're hurting the community. you're not part of the communi community. you as a privileged white person telling someone of color want to do with their lives. >> lisa: jason rantz is a

seattle-based radio host is been following the madness in portland, oregon, and joins us now. jason, what in the world is going on in portland, oregon? walk us through what you've been seeing. >> what we are seeing is what it seems like. total lawlessness because local leaders don't want to get involved in antifa violence. there's a movement to pretend it's a black lives matter protest, that these are innocent people being violated, their rights are being violate by the trump administration and dhs mass avenue se and i was going on. what we are seeing here is escalating violence everything will night and finally the federal government said look, we can't let a city get this out of control. if you want to go after downtown portland, okay, that's up to you but you're not going after federal facilities, federal buildings. last night 21 individuals were arrested. not just throwing bricks but throwing water bottles and officers that are frozen.

their intent is to do harm and what we are seeing online is a strategy on twitter with antifa videos basically serving as propaganda that senator merkley is sending around. you get a little bit of an interaction with an officer or federal agent making an arrest. get no contact and then all of a sudden the aclu thing we've got these gestapo-like tactics. people being whisked away in the dead of night when that's not happening at all. per the reason we are seeing the sum of the videos trick of the unmarked cars is when you have marked vehicles your portland police trying to make arrest, they face assault. you quickly go in and you get rid of the people who are either committing acts of violence were accused. you make the arrest, book them, and they are released. you are doing this in a way that it basically makes it so there's not going to be violence. >> lisa: so you know, what's all this about? we've heard from the portland police officer earlier who said he has seen black police officers face racism for the people there who are claiming that they are fighting for black lives. so what's really going on in the

country? what is behind all of >> what is behind in portland is an ideological agenda to poach socialist viewpoints and far progressive viewpoints. it has nothing to do with black lives matter. you have privileged white kids and shouting racist remarks that black officers and committing acts of violence without getting in real trouble. if you want to talk about white privilege, that seems like white privilege. there's an end goal of getting rid of policing as we know it. they want to break down institutions whether it's policing or the justice system urges capitalism. they want to rebuild these institutions in their own ideological image. and of course you have to do this -- to get to that point, you get to be a little bit violent, you have to intimidate. it's a domestic terroristic act to use your ideology to try to frighten people, to bully people using violence to get your means. i'm glad finally president trump is stepping up here and sending in the federal government.

>> lisa: is it working? >> it's working, look, at this point it's become a little bit political, right? the president is showing he is the law and order president. he's going up against joe biden as he painting is quite the opposite. the democrats are not using the cemex excuse to not to go after the antifa activists. instead they are saying it's portland versus drop rcl versus trump, new york versus trump. it gives them a little bit of coverage they don't actually have to go after their base of support on the ground that's responsible for all of this. >> lisa: jason, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> lisa: portland isn't the only city falling apart. police in minneapolis say the black lives matter protest has ironically made many black neighborhoods much more dangerous. >> we have had close to 20 homicides in the city of minneapolis since memorial day. we have had upwards of 140 people shot in our city since

memorial day. including a murder that just happened yesterday. we are averaging two to three shootings a day, and that message is not out there. that message -- the crime is rampant in minneapolis right now. it is lawlessness over there, and the criminals are emboldened right now to do whatever they want to do. >> lisa: things are even worse in chicago. so far this month, 64 people are dead are nearly 250 wounded, in shootings citywide. mayor lori lightfoot doesn't care, though. she has decided to role-play as a sidekick to a fictional cowboy. i wish i was joking but i'm not. >> when i was a kid, i love the batman tv show and when the city of gotham had a real difficult challenge, one of the things that the mayor they are deities he called out and sent out a distress signal to batman. so we are doing something

similar. i'm happy to report i'm calling out the cowboys. you have to step up and do your part and make sure that you fill out your census. >> lisa: this is real. no matter how successful census cowboy is, he's not likely to change the dire situation that is going on in chicago. >> i have listed for you the names of the kids who died across the country. it's unacceptable and under this president, he will take action in the derelict mayor of chicago should step up and ask for federal help. >> lisa: lori lightfoot didn't appreciate that criticism. she lashed back at the white house by referring to kayleigh mcenany as karen, one of a few racial epithets the left doesn't get offended by. professor jason health teaches philosophy at depaul university in chicago. he's also the author of the book

"we have overcome" and he joins us now. professor, why did the mayor call kayleigh karen? >> i think it's a deflection of really her dereliction of duty and dereliction of duty of the governor of illinois. if one could ostensibly .2 dereliction of duty, i think the governors of illinois in the state of chicago should be in that space. you know, i speak not as a republican but as an independent conservative. two years ago, lisa, i wrote a letter to the president asking him to send national troops into chicago to quell the gang violence. that was two years ago. because at that time, the crime rate was 35% of the national average. right? it's disgraceful. innocent children, women, men, good people of chicago are being killed. the gang members, sociopaths

being unleashed. i think she made that statement to deflect from the way in which she and the governor and other political actors in the state are guilty of dereliction of duty. >> lisa: can you get into that a little bit more? talk about that dereliction of duty. can you talk a little bit more about the dereliction of duty? >> it's an ongoing problem that predates the murder of george floyd which was a horrible thing which everyone agrees was a tragedy and horrible. this has been going. i've been teaching at depaul for 20 years. i moved to chicago 20 years ago and it's been an ongoing problem. when i moved here, it was a huge problem. these men first of all are underpaid. they are overworked. they are not incentivized by the mayor or any of the political actors in this state to make any

sort of intrusions or exclusions or alliances or community building with members of the southside of chicago where these crimes are predominantly occurring. they have very, very bad name which is not helped by the governance structures of the city that aid and abet in -- rather than help foster healthy alliances between local police, law enforcement and citizens, law abiding citizens in these neighborhoods whether crimes are occurring, dissent is being fostered i think. that's just one form of dereliction of duty. >> lisa: continue. >> go ahead. no, you go ahead. >> lisa: we are hearing these calls in cities across the country to defund the police,

decreased police presence but if you look at statistics, isn't it black lives matter going to be further harmed and endangered as a result of the decreased police presence? >> absolutely. i wrote in my book, there's a whole chapter where i took black lives matter to case and i said turn it inwards towards the black community eight and ask yourselves when you say black lives matter, who is doing the killing of black people? it's not white suburban citizens. it's not mainly police officers killing these black kids. it's gang bangers. its feral followings who are sociopathic killers who are making communities absolutely obsolete, right, they are destroying communities. and they are good people, most of these people that live in these communities are hardworking, good people. i teach some of these kids who cannot cross gang lines and how our community to come to school.

>> lisa: professor, thank you so much. >> the whole thing is tragic. >> lisa: i do too, i really do. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >> lisa: thank you. there are new questions over whether florida counties are correctly tabulating coronavirus deaths. fox 35 orlando reporter has the story. danielle. >> hey, lisa. this is coming up because we were speaking with the orange county health officer yesterday about some of the numbers regarding coronavirus deaths. we had noticed that two people in their 20s had died from covid and so we asked him if there were any underlying conditions involved, and one of the answers really surprised us. he told us that one person actually died in a motorcycle accident. he told us that that had gone into the covid numbers and he and asked the state to remove that number and when asked if it

had actually been removed or cleared from that data, he said he didn't think so. he wasn't sure. he was going to double-check. so that's when we started asking questions. >> lisa: and what exactly we -- can you elaborate a little bit more on what you found and what questions you asked? >> right, so we were told that it was a man in his 20s who did test positive for coronavirus but had died because he was in a motorcycle accident. so today we have been trying to follow-up on this to figure out if this is still currently in the state data. the orange county health officers, his office is telling us that they are working to try to confirm it to see if that death was cleared from the system. we also reached out to the medical examiner here in orange county because those folks have to certify the covid deaths. he told us that that death would not be qualified as a coronavirus death.

"he said it's only if covid is the cause of death or contributed to the cause of death" we have reached out to the statement of how often they tell us their health department, a covid-19 death is determinative covid-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death or listed as one of the significant conditions continued into the death. a lot of questions about how a motorcycle accident may have ended up in that state data. a lot is riding on these numbers. people want to make sure that these are accurate. there are big decisions, school, norman's making decisions looking at the data. that's why we are asking these questions when we hear something like this. >> lisa: we are making public health decisions. we are making decisions that economic consequence, mental health consequences. stay on it. we appreciate your reporting. thank you. how concerned should we be about the missed counts in florida? the one and only dr. marc siegel

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one of the epicenters of a coronavirus pandemic but are the numbers accurate? dr. marc siegel is a fox news medical contributor and he joins us. hi, doctor. so doctor, -- tell me about the numbers. do they concern you? >> the numbers are not accurate, lisa, because we are seeing inflated numbers. we are seeing counties recording 100% positive. i spoke to assistant secretary of hhs, health and human services, he acknowledges the problem it says health and human services is trying to correct it. there's people listed as covid deaths that died from something else. there is a mistake going on there. all of it is true but i still am very concerned about the overall trend in florida. it's clearly a problem. i spoke to a senior associate dean of the university of south florida to my age and he said to me, the icus in tampa

are filling up. in miami, they are filling up. in fort lauderdale, they are filling up. a lot of it arnon covid cases but now the state is shutting down a lot of the elective surgeries, so-called elective surgeries, heart disease surgeries and cancer, hernia surgeries, just as we saw in new york and there's a lot of concern about that. at the heart of the problem, dr. wolfson told me that the state health department has shown a decrease in funding of over 25% over the last 15 years. this, lisa, is what governor desantis inherited. no epidemic preparedness, no pandemic preparedness of any nature at a high level. the state wasn't ready for this, they are not ready for it now. scrambling, trying to handle the problem, dealing with overinflated cases, dealing with death wrongly stated as covid-19. the solution to all of this, even with diminished fund income is coming together behind the

science instead of the bureaucracy, lisa. we've got to get rid of all this bureaucracy. that's for sure. >> lisa: well, and i also think people should be reporting on the facts, not fear which unfortunately i don't like we've seen from many in the media. doctor, we appreciate you because you focus on the facts and not the fears. thank you. we appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you, lisa. >> lisa: thank you. so across the country in california, governor gavin newsom has ordered his constituents to follow a second wave of mandatory shutdowns. not everyone is happy about it, though. a gym owner is refusing to shut down. now he's paying a price for it. he joins us. mike, how are you doing with all of this? >> it's really tough right now. i'm currently building a new location across the street and i'm supposed to open in ten days. i spent the last three and a half, four years building it from the ground up. >> lisa: so do you think i may look when we see the coverage of

the coronavirus, obviously the focus is on the health aspect which is of course it readily important. we don't really hear about stories of people like you have business owners across the country that are suffering. why don't we hear as much about it? >> because then you're going to have to face the facts. it's crazy that they leave liquor stores and they leave marijuana dispensaries open but you can't go to church. he can't be spiritually healthy. you can't be physically healthy. you can't be mentally healthy but you can go get drunk and smoke weed. >> lisa: so i mean does that tell you a lot about the governor's priorities? >> tells me everything i need to know about the guy, he picks and chooses winners and losers and that's not governors do. >> lisa: so what's been the impact to you personally as a business owner? i thought i saw or heard you recently say that almost crippled you and your business. >> it has crippled me. i have a $12 million investment that i am supposed to open in ten days and i shut down for three months.

i follow the orders. i did everything he asked me to do and then he let looters and people read the streets and destroy our country and then all he did was he asked them to not do that. but then he mandates small businesses to shut down and stop feeding our families and stop providing for our children and shutdown schools. >> lisa: do you have hope for the future? >> i do. i feel like america is meant to stand up and fight back. we are at the end of listening to all this nonsense. >> lisa: mike, thank you so much and we are praying for you. i know it's been a tough time. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> lisa: thank you. so the man, the myth, the legend. it's almost time for mark steyn. the best moments of mark and tucker going at it. that's up next after the break. you're not going to want to miss it so what's going on?

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>> lisa: so 2020 has so far been a dramatic and absolutely absurd and tumultuous year with a presidential election right around the corner it's likely that things aren't going to calm down anytime soon. but one constant force amid all the tumult is best-selling author mark steyn. here are some of his best moments discussing the 2020 candidates with tucker. >> this is biden at top form where he does this vivid, coherent, brilliant narrative in which not a single detail is correct. he just stands up and he goes, you know, it's 2 21 minutes befe dawn on d-day and this nine star general says to me mr. president, it's too dangerous for you to go in there but i say the minutemen are taking them on so i go on a glider from diego garcia and we came under heavy fire from a group of whirling dervishes hold

up in bridget bardo's apartment. euro disney. and i said to them i am the first biden in 1,000 years to go to college so i know what it's like to be the best of the best. this was classic joe biden. he's back. his mojo has returned. his mojo knows what state it's in. you have to hand it to the cherokee dominatrix. she's not going to be the candidate but she actually uttered that phrase you just played, horse faced lesbians which i believe hasn't been used in a presidential debate since benjamin harrison grover cleveland. but to flay him for calling women horse faced lesbians and he just stood there looking horse faced himself, unable to respond. then she starts going on about nondisclosure agreements. he wouldn't disclose how many nondisclosure agreements he signed that eventually it is such a lively debate that

miracle of miracles, joe biden wakes up and he starts having a swing. come on, man. god love you, man. nba. i played for the nba years ago. my son owns an nba franchise that a chinese general gave him. >> tucker: author and columnist mark steyn joins us. thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. thanks, martha. always a pleasure. yeah, i believe he's just been endorsed by mao tse-tung and nad king ludwig of bavaria. looking in pretty good shape for super tuesday. the only other guy with this name that i've ever read the cross was from malta so i quite like the idea of a multis american president but the multis american. on multis american day is one of

the smallest. and i do believe -- and hillary is blaming her defeat on melt he's information. she's right that bernie supporters think their parents and grandparents are fascist racist homophobes islamaphobia's and their parents just think the kids are stupid. they could be stupid and anna mildly diverting way and it's a choice between sleeping off christmas dinner over the price is right or lifting to your kids say alexandria ocasio-cortez talks a lot of sense about how fascist america isn't why can't we be more like venezuela where they are so environmentally enlightened. they have abolished toilet paper. in terms of entertainment over

christmas lunch. i don't think it persuade that they would. it must be terribly annoying to feast on the a guy -- you want it tell your friends about it and the only fly in the ointment is that he's corn pop and as you correctly pointed out he was the third shark on the left in the last summer stop revival ice out of west side story. as a bad hombre name. he is a problem there. it's like barry manilow. it's from copacabana i think. his name was corn pop. he had a razor. it's brilliant, it's in the second chorus. >> tucker: i think you were in boarding school in the u.k. in tenth grade but for those of us who grew up in the country, we know that corn pops are one of the sugar used brands of sugar cereal available. >> it's not to good name for a

gang member. but it's the attention to deta detail. he says that the way you make the straight razor rusty is to put in a rain barrel. a milquetoast like you, you've got indoor plumbing and you think you can just run it under the faucet but in fact you have to have an actual rain barrel. the details of this anecdote are brilliant. they should be teaching it. >> lisa: mark steyn is such a character. who knew he could carry a tune? i didn't know that. we learned it tonight. when joe biden first entered the senate in 1973, a long time ago, pink floyd was topping the charts. richard nixon was proclaiming his innocence. times have changed and so has joe biden. that's next. ♪

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anthracite coal, scranton, pennsylvania. that's why i was born, and it's nice to be back in coal country. >> lisa: i guess it all depends on his audience. now old coal miner joe biden wants to get rid of fossil fuels. >> we are going to get rid of fossil fuels. these guys are okay. they want to do the same thing i want to do. they want to phase out fossil fuels and we're going to phase out fossil fuels. >> lisa: as you might expect, the people he was pandering to a 2008 are horrified. a pennsylvanian who works for local steamfitters union told "washington examiner" "i'm completely shocked and stunned about the language coming from joe biden, allegedly a union guy. the democratic party has kicked building trades to the curb and they are all in with environment groups." a registered democrat named jin who works for an insulator's union in pennsylvania expressed similar sentiments saying "joe biden is really one of us?

i always love the man. or is joe biden really one of us? i always loved a man. he scares me now. he's embracing the green new deal or whatever they are calling it. he needs to get some stuff straight. justin is the executive editor at the heartland institute he joins us. justin, former vice president joe biden rolled out his climate change agenda this week with the help of aoc and bernie sanders. how would it impact many of these blue-collar workers like the ones we just heard from? >> they would absolutely be decimated by this plan. effectively the key part of the plan, there's all sorts of crap stepped into it but the key part is transitioning the entire grid to making it carbon dioxide free supposedly make 2035. it means building billions, not millions, billions of solar panels and wind turbines all over the country which would be absolutely terrible for the environment, by the way.

it would require consuming millions of acres of land, killing millions of animals. on top of that it would dramatically increase the cost of energy for the entire country. the center for the american experiment, there was a great article about this where he showed that if you take the increase in electricity costs of the whole country that would occur under joe biden's plan, it would be at least a trillion dollars more per year. depending on how much of the mix of wind and solar in that mix, you would have it be even higher than that. he could be several trillion dollars every single year of additional costs. that means millions and millions of jobs shipped overseas. it would absolutely decimate the midwest and places like pennsylvania. it's a total disaster and a complete betrayal by joe biden. >> lisa: while, so about that, so we heard his comment back in february where he was talking my getting rid of social fuels. if your membered in 2016 hillary clinton said she was going to put coal miners out of work. do you think this comment will

have the same impact? states like ohio and pennsylvania. >> i hope people are listening because the reality is that the joe biden these people think they know is gone. that guy left the building. joe biden can barely put two sentences together, never mind a whole climate change plan with all sorts of help from this far left-wing people he's brought into his campaign, people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, people from the socialist sunrise movement were involved in the green. like all sorts of incredibly radical people. stephanie kelton who doesn't even believe in desert deficits. she think you can print as much money as you need. these are people advising joe biden. bernie sanders influence on my campaign. >> lisa: justin, i want to get into that. typically, what we both know, what you typically see in the primary, candidates move further

to the left or right and then moderate in a general election. biden seems to be doing the opposite particularly on climate change issues. weisbach? >> that's a fantastic point. i think it's because he's desperately afraid of losing this election because the far left rejects him. it think he's trying to win over people in the middle. it's a really strange election strategy but i think that's the only way to explain this. i think what he's trying to do is keep the far left-wing progressives and socialist base of his party, the aocs of the world, the bernie sanders of the world, keep them happy because he's afraid they're going to walk out of him at the last minute and ruin his chances of winning. trying to do everything he can to appeal to those people and those people are gonna be. a vote for joe biden is really not vote for joe biden 20 years ago or 15 years ago or five years ago. it's a vote for alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders and people like that.

>> lisa: the big question is how does it impact him in the rust belt? it was key to president trump's victory in 2016 and it's going to be key to anyone winning in 2020 as well. >> yeah, i mean, it all comes down to who do you trust? who do you trust? in this case this man has been making promises for years and years and years now yes completely betray those promises. moved in the polar opposite direction. sold his soul to the far left wing of the democratic party, the socialist wing, and especially the eco-socialist wing of the democratic party. do you trust joe biden? that's a question voters are going to have to ask and if you look at his record, i think there's reasons to be concerned. >> lisa: justin, thank you. we appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> lisa: major new developments in a trial of ghislaine maxwell. emily compagno hosts "crimes that changed america" on fox nation and she joins us. emily. >> hi, lisa. as you know, ghislaine maxwell

has been charged with six federal crimes for which involved transporting miners for illegal sexual activity which she's pled not guilty. at her detention hearing after testimony by victims and arguments by the prosecution, the judge denied bail, ruling her flight risk and said she had both "motive and opportunity" to flee. prosecutor cited impart her attempt to evade arrest when the fbi came to her multimillion dollar home in new hampshire. she and her alleged boyfriend, scott bergerson, had apparently been ostracizing his home in massachusetts after neighbors learned of her identity, including revoking all privileges, like beach access, that that neighborhood enjoys. reports are swirling that jeffrey epstein's personal assistant might be arrested next so her parents argue she was just another victim swept up in maxwell and epstein's sexual abuse and sex trafficking ring. and lawsuits which named kellan as a defendant, she is described as maxwell's second in command, her assistant and even lieutenant. kellan worked for epstein for around ten years as a personal

assistant and has been accused by victims of complicity in their sexual abuse, including taking photographs of victims. the trial first ghislaine maxwell has been set for july 12, 2021. lisa. >> lisa: grade reporting, thank you. so it's not clear kanye west is actually running for president but he definitely will be on the ballot in at least one state. that's next.

>> lisa: the fox news alert, you are looking at live pictures of downtown chicago. shooting fireworks and throwing objects at police officers who are defending a statue of christopher columbus. the situation appears to be deteriorating quickly. the police are surrounded and outnumbered by the crowd. stay tuned to fox news as we follow the story for you. and there is this.

supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg is undergoing chemotherapy to treat a recurrence of liver cancer. the 87-year-old justice has survived cancer before. she was admitted to the hospital earlier this week for an infection but was released after a day. we're also going to continue monitoring that story for you and we are praying for her health and safety as well. and there's also this. rapper kanye west seems to be shifting gears a little bit. robert kanye west seems to be moving forward with his presidential bid. yesterday he filed documents with the federal election committee and today he found to be on the ballot in oklahoma and tweeted an image of mount rushmore with his face added to it. jason nichols was a professor at the university of maryland and he joins us. jason, how are you, my friend? >> i am doing good, lisa. congratulations. when you get your own show, please remember the little people. >> lisa: oh, stop. i appreciate that though. thank you. your too kind. connie is making those. what do you make of it -- kanye

is making moves. >> i think he's somewhat serious, even with oklahoma, we know that in other states, there's reports he's trying to gather signatures to get on the ballot in other states. i don't think there's any chance he's going to win but i think people need to understand the power of a protest vote. there are many people who are completely dissatisfied with the direction the country is going under donald trump. there are people who don't like joe biden are don't think that he's coherent or competent or whatever it is that's the narrative that's being spread. they are looking for someone who's, you know, another option. the same thing that happened in 2016 when he saw the green party candidate, jill stein. i don't know anybody who actually agreed with jill stein. she's an anti-factor, kind of a strange character but at the same time, they voted for her be dissatisfied with hillary clinton and they didn't like donald trump. i think it could very well

happen with kanye west. i think it's part of his purpose here. >> lisa: we saw you mentioned jill stein. she was a spoiler in 2016. do you think kanye has the opportunity to do the same thing and who would it impact? joe biden or donald trump? >> that's a tough question. i think he can absolutely be a spoiler. we have to remember in wisconsin, i think it was decided by 77,000 votes. if he's able to get onto lee's ballot and it's going to be a razor-thin election. it's going to be very similar to 2016. we see the national polls and there is a separation by double digits but i think that's going to narrow. advocates going to be a close election. i think joe biden will probably, on top but you never know. i think you know this could be a situation where kanye west takes youth voters from joe biden and takes, you know,

some voters from donald trump as well. it's going to be a toss-up. he's a very interesting character. this is a very interesting time where living it and i am excited to see how it shakes out. >> lisa: i mean, that is for sure. he supports policies like, you know, pro life. what kind of platform do you think we'd see him run on? >> i think one of his strong points and courses criminal justice reform. his wife is someone who advocated for that and i think that's a big reason why he could be trouble for donald trump. i think people who saw donald trump and said oh, well, all the claims that donald trump is racist, they are all said by the fact that he's an advocate for criminal justice reform. i use advocate very loosely. at the same time, kanye west can take that from him. the alice johnson commutation was more her work arguably than donald trump. >> lisa: i don't know.

jason, you've also seen, you know joe biden has had some pretty offensive things about black americans as well. i mean, could i impact him? people potentially looking to kanye? >> i think both candidates are going to, you know, have to think about kanye west in the back of their minds. if he can get, you know, it 70,000, 80,000 votes and one of the states, he could sway an election. i think this is going to be very, very, very close particularly with covid-19, the fact that people may not be voting in person. maybe even lower turnout than usual. i think kanye west and protest motors could really shift this election. >> lisa: it certainly going to be interesting but i think criminal justice reform did happen on president trump, not the obama administration. it's going to be hard for anyone else to claim that mantle but professor were going to be watching it and i appreciate you joining us tonight.

>> thank you, lisa. great seeing you. >> lisa: that's about it for us tonight. so much fun. tune in each night at 8:00 for the show that's the sworn enemy of lying pomposity smugness and groupthink. also don't forget to dvr the show if you haven't said it already. have a great evening. ♪ >> all right, welcome to this special edition of "hannity," the road to 2020. i am tammy bruce intimate for sean. for the hour we are going to preview what's at stake in november. we start with troubling news from the u.s. supreme court. 87-year-old justice ruth bader ginsburg is once again battling cancer. joining us now with the very latest is the host of ""fox news @ night"" shannon bream. shannon bream >> the justice is at home and we are told she is resting comfortably after being hospitalized this week for what we are told is an infectiot