like the one i have now." a fight he succumbed to tonight, but not without putting up a very good fight, shannon. >> shannon: kevin, summed it up perfectly. tonight, we boston icon and civil rights warrior in john lewis, rest in peace, sir. ♪ ♪ >> lisa: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." i am lisa boothe filling in for tucker. after a few minutes, mark steyn will be reemerging and tucker is back to join us. first, mayhem has ripped the city of portland, oregon. take a look. >> why are you coming for me? why are you coming for me?

>> lisa: portland has now experienced 50 straight days of left-wing violence. last night, a violent mob attempted to overrun a police station and burn it to the ground. they have toppled statues, destroyed property, and attacked the police. here's one report from earlier this week. >> according to police, not only did protesters take over the streets but some lobbed paint,io rocks, bottles and more last night. police say one officer was hurt when a brick was thrown at him. police say that protesters interfered with arrests andd pointed lasers at their eyes. >> lisa: portland's leaders have failed to rein in the violence. it's not clear they are even trying. instead, they are passing blame on the federal law enforcement officers trying to restore order. here's portland's mayor, ted wheeler.la >> what i have a problem with is them leaving the facilities, going out on the streets of this community, and escalating an already tense situation like they did the other night.

>> lisa: got that? law enforcement is responsible for the violence. the looting, arson, graffiti is their fault, not the mob. portland's mayor is telling you the exact opposite of the truth. here's how one portland police officer described the mob. >> it says something when you're at a black lives matter protest, you have more minorities on the police side than you have in a violent crowd, and you haveic white people screaming at black officers, "you have the biggest nose i've ever seen." having people tell you you need to quit the job. you're hurting the community. but they're not even part of the community. once again, you as a privileged white person telling someone of color what to do with their lives. >> lisa: jason rantz is a seattle-based radio host and has

been following the madness in portland, oregon, and joins us now. jason, what in the world is going on in portland, oregon? walk us through what you've been seeing. >> yeah, so what we are seeing is what seems like total lawlessness, because local leadersli don't want to get involved in antifa violence. there's a movement to pretend it's a black lives matter protest, that these are innocent people being violated, their rights are being violated by the trump administration and dhs and that's obviously not what's going on. what we are seeing here is escalating violence every single night, and finally, the federal government said, look, we can't let a city get this out of control. if you want to go after downtown portland, okay, that's up to you but you're not going after federal facilities, federal buildings. last night, 21 individuals were arrested. not just throwing bricks, but throwing water bottles at officers that are frozen. their intent is to do harm and what we are seeing online is a strategy on twitter with antifa

videos basically serving as propaganda that senator merkley is sending around. where you get a little bit of as interaction with an officer or a federal agent making an arrest. you get get no context, and then all of a sudden, the aclu saying we've got these gestapo-like tactics. people being whisked away in the dead of night when that's not happening at all. part of the reason we are seeing some of the videos of the unmarked cars is when you have marked vehicles, you have portland police trying to make arrests, they face assault. and so, you quickly go in and you get rid of the people who are either committing acts of violence or accused. you make the arrest, book them, and they are released. you are doing this in a way that basically makes it so there's not going to be violence. >> lisa: so, you know, what's all this about? we've heard from the portland police officer earlier who said he has seen black police officers face racism from the people there who are claiming that they are fighting for black lives.ac so what's really going on in the country?

what is behind all of this? >> what is behind it in portland is an ideological agenda to put socialist viewpoints and far progressive viewpoints. it has nothing to do with black lives matter. you have a bunch of privileged white kids shouting racist remarks at black officers and committing acts of violence without getting in real trouble. if you want to talk about white privilege, that seems like white privilege. there's an end goal of getting rid of policing as we know it. they want to break down institutions, whether it'sg policing or the justice system or just capitalism. and they want to rebuild these institutions in their own ideological image. and, of course, you have to do that -- to get to that point, you get to be a little bit violent, you have to intimidate. this is a domestic terroristicol act, to use your ideology to trt to frighten people, to bully people using violence to get your means. i'm glad finally president trump is stepping up here and sending in the federal government. >> lisa: is it working?

>> it's working. look, at this point, it's become a little bit political, right? the president is showing he is the law and order president. he's going up against joe biden who he is painting as quite the opposite. the democrats are now using this as an excuse to not to go after the antifa activists. instead, they are saying it's portland versus trump, or seattle versus trump, new york versus trump. that gives them a little bit of coverage, so they don't actually have to go after their base of support on the ground that he's responsible for all of this. a >> lisa: jason, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> lisa: portland isn't the only city falling apart. police in minneapolis say the black lives matter protest has ironically made many black neighborhoods much more dangerous.s. >> we have had close to 20 homicides in the city of minneapolis since memorial day. we have had upwards of 140 people shot in our city since memorial day.

including a murder that just happened yesterday. we are averaging two to threecl shootings a day, and that message is not out there. that message -- the crime is rampant in minneapolis right now. it is lawlessness over there, and the criminals are emboldened right now to do whatever they want to do. >> lisa: things are even worse in chicago. so far this month, 64 people ars dead and nearly 250 wounded in shootings citywide. mayor lori lightfoot doesn't care, though. she has decided to role-play as a sidekick to a fictional cowboy.yw i wish i was joking, but i'm not. take a look. >> when i was a kid, i loved thb "batman" tv show and when the city of gotham had a real difficult challenge, one of the things that the mayor there did is he called out and sent out a distress signal to batman. so, we are doing something similar.

i'm happy to report i'm calling out the census cowboys. that means you have to step up and do your part and make sure that you fill out your census. >> lisa: this is real. but no matter how successful census cowboy is, he's not likely to change the dire situation that is going on in chicago. >> i have listed for you the names of the kids who died across the country. it's unacceptable, and under this president, he will take action and the derelict mayor of chicago should step up and ask for federal help. because she's doing a very poor job at securing her streets. >> lisa: lori lightfoot didn't appreciate that criticism. she lashed back at the white house by referring to kayleigh mcenany as karen, one of a few racial epithets the left doesn't get offended by. should professor jason hill teaches philosophy at depaul university in chicago. he's also the author of the book "we have overcome" and he joins us now. c

professor, why did the mayor call kayleigh "karen?" what's behind that? >> i think it's just a deflection of -- really, are dereliction of duty, and the dereliction of the duty of the governor of illinois. look, if one could really extensively point to dereliction of duty, i think the governor of illinois and the state of chicago should be in that space. you know, i speak not as a republican but as an independent conservative. two years ago, lisa, i wrote a letter to the president asking him to send national troops into chicago to quell the gang enviolence. that was two years ago. t because at that time, the crime rate was 35% of the national average. right? it's disgraceful. innocent children, women, men, good people of chicago are being killed. we have the gang members,

sociopaths that are being unleashed. i think she made that statement to deflect from the way in which she and the governor and other political actors in the state are guilty of dereliction of duty. >> lisa: can you get into that a little bit more? talk about that dereliction of duty. can you talk a little bit more about the dereliction of duty? >> this is an ongoing problem that predates the murder of george floyd, which was a horrible thing, which everyone agrees was a tragedy and horrible. this has been going. i've been teaching at depaul for 20 years.le i moved to chicago 20 years ago and it's been an ongoingg problem. when i moved here, it was a huge problem. policeman, firstth of all, underpaid, right? they are overworked. they are not incentivized by the mayor or any of the political actors in this state to make any sort of intrusions or inclusions

or alliances or community building with members of the southside of chicago where these crimes are predominantly occurring. they have a very, very bad name, which is not helped by the governance structures of the city that aid and abet in -- bad naming the police officers of chicago. rather than help foster healthy alliances between local police, law enforcement and citizens, law abiding citizens in these neighborhoods where the crimes are occurring, dissent is being fostered i think. that's just one form of dereliction of duty. >> lisa: continue. >> go ahead. no, you go ahead. >> lisa: okay. well, we are hearing these calls in cities across the country to defund the police,

to decrease the police presence. but if you look at statistics, isn't it black lives who are going to be further harmed and endangered as a result of the decreased police presence? >> absolutely. i wrote in my book, there's a whole chapter where i took black lives matter to case and i said turn your signs inward towards the black community and ask yourselves when you say black lives matter, who is doing the killing of black people? it's not white suburban citizens.ho it's not mainly police officers who are killing these black kids. it's gang bangers. right? it's feral thugs who are sociopathic killers who are making communities absolutely obsolete, right, they are destroying communities. and they are good people, most of these people who live in these communities are hardworking, good people. i teach some of these kids who cannot cross gang lines in our community to come to school. >> lisa: professor, thank you so

much. >> yeah, i think the whole thing is tragic. >> lisa: i do, too, sir, i really do. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >> lisa: thank you.re so, there are new questions over whether florida counties are correctly tabulating coronavirus deaths. a fox 35 orlando reporter has the story. danielle. >> well, hey, there, lisa. this is coming up because we were speaking with thehe orange county health officer yesterday about some of the numbers regarding coronavirus deaths. we had noticed that two people in their 20s had died from covid and so we asked him if there were any underlying conditions involved, and one of the answers really surprised us. he told us that one person actually died in a motorcycle accident. he told us that that had gone into the covid numbers and he asked the state to remove that number and when asked if it had actually been removed or cleared

from that data, he said he didn't think so. he wasn't sure. but he was going to double-check. so that's when we started asking questions. >> lisa: and what exactly -- can you elaborate a little bit more on what you found and what questions you asked? >> right, so we were told that it was a man in his 20s who did test positive for coronavirus but had died because he was in a motorcycle accident. so today we have been trying to follow-up on this to figure out if this is still currently in the state data. and so, the orange county health officers, his office is telling that they are working to try to confirm that, to see if that death was cleared from the system. we also reached out to the medical examiner here inin orange county, because thosese folks have to certify the covid deaths. and he told us that that death t would not be qualified as a coronavirus death.

his exact quote was "it's only if covid is the cause of death or contributed to the cause of death."nl we have also reached out to the state department of health and they tell us their health department, a covid-19 death is determined if covid-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to the death. so, of course, a lot of questions about how a motorcycle accident may haveue ended up in that state data. and, you know, a lot is riding on these numbers. people want to make sure that these are accurate. there are big decisions, schools, governments making decisions looking at the data. that's why we are asking these questions when we hear something like this. >> lisa: we are making public health decisions. we are making decisions with economic consequence, mental health consequences. so, danielle, stay on it. we appreciate your reporting. thank you. how concerned should we be about the miscounts inth florida? the one and only dr. marc siegel

is here, and that's next. also, mark steyn returns to prime time as this live special edition of "tucker carlson." stay with us. ♪ im ial ial bottom line is,

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coronavirus pandemic, but are the numbers accurate? dr. marc siegel is a fox news medical contributor and he joins us. hi, doctor. so, doctor -- >> lisa, how are you? listen, the number is -- >> lisa: yeah, tell me about the numbers. do they concern you, these inaccuracies? >> well, the numbers are not accurate, lisa, because we are seeing inflated numbers. we are seeing counties recording 100% positive. i spoke to assistant secretary of hhs, health and human services, he acknowledges the problem, he says health and human services is trying to correct it. there's also people listed as covid deaths that died from something else. there is a mistake going on there. so, all of it is true, but i still am very concerned about the overall trend in florida. it's clearly a problem. i spoke to a senior associate dean of the university of south florida tonight, and he

said to me, "look, the icus in tampa are filling up. in miami, they are filling up. in fort lauderdale, they are amfilling up. a lot of it are non-covid cases, but now the state is shutting down a lot of the elective surgeries, so-called elective surgeries, a lot of the heart disease surgeries and cancer, hernia surgeries, just as we saw in new york, and there's a lot of concern about that. at the heart of the problem, dr. wolfson told me that the state health department has showed a decrease in funding of over 25% over the last 15 years. this, lisa, is what governor desantis inherited. no epidemic preparedness, no pandemic preparedness of any nature at a high level. the state wasn't ready for thiss and they are not ready for it now.w. scrambling, trying to handle the problem, dealing with overinflated cases, dealing with death wrongly stated as covid-19.ng the solution to all of this, even with diminished funding, is coming together behind the science instead of the bureaucracy, lisa.

we've got to get rid of all this bureaucracy. that's for sure. >> lisa: well, and i also think people should be reporting on the facts, not fear, which unfortunately i don't think we've seen from many in the media. doctor, we appreciate you because you focus on the facts and not the fears. thank you. we appreciate you joining us tonight.ts >> thank you, lisa. >> lisa: thank you.jo so, across the country in california, governor gavin newsom has ordered his constituents to follow a second wave of mandatory shutdowns. not everyone is happy about it, though. a gym owner is refusing to shut down. now, he's paying a price for it. he joins us. mike, how are you doing with all of this? >> it's really tough right now. i'm currently building a new location across the street and i'm supposed to open in ten days. i spent the last three and a a half, four years building it from the ground up. >> lisa: so, do you think, i mean, look, when we see the coverage of the coronavirus, obviously the focus is on the

health aspect which is of course incredibly important. we don't really hear about stories of people like you and business owners across the country that are suffering. why don't we hear as much about it? >> because then you're going to have to face the facts. it's crazy that they leave liquor stores, and they leave marijuana dispensaries open but then, you can't go to church.ri you can't be spiritually healthy. you can't be physically healthy. you can't be mentally healthy, but you can go get drunk and smoke weed. >> lisa: so, i mean, does that tell you a lot about the governor's priorities? >> tells me everything i need to know about the guy. he picks and chooses winners and losers, and that's not what governors do. >> lisa: so, what's been the impact to you, personally, as a business owner? i thought i saw or heard you recently say that it almost crippled you and your business. >> it has crippled me. i have a $12 million investment that i am supposed to open in ten days, and i shut down for three months. i followed the orders. i did everything he asked me to

do, and then he let looters and people raid in the streets and destroy our country, and then all he did was he asked them to not do that. but then he mandates small businesses to shut down and stop feeding our families and stop providing for our children and shutdown schools. >> lisa: do you have hope for the future? >> i do. i feel like america is gonna stand up and fight back. we are at the end of listening to all this nonsense. >> lisa: mike, thank you so much and we are praying for you. i know it's been a tough time. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> lisa: thank you. so, the man, the myth, the legend. it's almost time for mark steyn. the best moments of mark and tucker going at it. that's up next after the break. you're not going to want to miss it. ♪ it. that's up next after the break.

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>> this is a fox news alert, i'm marianne lafferty my from los angeles. congressman john lewis has died, 80-year-old lewis had been diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer and was undergoing treatment, unable to go to capitol hill due to his illness, he had to use a proxy to cast his vote in congress. the congressman, also a civil rights icon, remained vocal during the recent george floyd protest. he released a statement in late may saying his heart is broken for the men, women, and families still enduring systemic racism here in the u.s. lewis, an activist during the civil rights movement and who was arrested after using a white restroom back in 1961, told demonstrators he understood the pain they were experiencing. lewis, a u.s. representative from georgia's fifth congressional district, was serving his 17th term in the house. congressman lewis' long and established career on capitol hill, let's turn to fox news correspondent

chad pergram with more. chad? >> marianne, john lewis was one of the nation's leading civil rights activists, long before he was elected to the house of representatives. he was the former chairman of the student nonviolent committ committee, coordinated the historic march on washington with martin luther king. organizing voter registration drives, going to freedom rides, coming to washington with the first time, getting arrested, going to jail, being beaten, i never thought, i never dreamed of the possibility that an african-american would one day be elected president of the united states. although notably lewis initially backed hillary clinton for president in 2008. john lewis was born in floyd, alabama, the son of sharecroppers. as a teenager, he was inspired by the nonviolence of rosa parks and martin luther king jr. he first worked with the local movement in 1961, one of the

original 13 activist who participated in the freedom rides. in 1965, lewis told 600 people -- he led 600 people, i should say, a 54-mile march from selma, the state can both my capital and coming alabama, was later known as blood he sunday, and they started to cross the edmund pettus bridge, the protesters were met by state troopers armed with clubs, and a state trooper fractured his skull with a club to be had. he was first elected to the house in 1986, served on the ways and means committee, president obama presented lewis with the presidential medal of freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, in 2011. he was also holdin held a sit ie house floor for more than 24 hours after the pulse nightcb shooting. he was diagnosed with dendritic cancer last year. john lewis was 80 years old. marianne? >> chad, you probably have a lot

of memories as far as congressman lewis, but one thing most folks might remember is he helped to lead a sit in in 2016 on firearms, can you talk about that, tell us more about that? >> to sit in was remarkable because it was after the pulse light club shooting in orlando. they went down on the house floor and sat on the carpet. for more than 24 hours. this is the same type of tactic they used to use going to lunch counters in nashville and all over the south. you know, john lewis was arrested more than 40 times, and this was the type of nonviolence, you know, this protest. he often would say we are trying to make good trouble here, and that is kind of what he said after the pulse nightclub shooting, trying to bring attention to these issues with mass shootings and gun violence in the united states, marianne. >> and chad, something folks may not know about congressman lewis, he actually had an aide that wrote comic books and

documented his life through these comic books. can you talk about that a little bit? >> it was pretty remarkable, using a different medium to kind of show that john lewis story and the civil rights story. i would always notice that john lewis, in his office, which show films to younger students, people who would come in, about the civil rights movement, and this was just another way of getting that word out about the civil rights movement and what went on in the 1960s and the push for civil rights. when the movie came out, the marble movie a few years ago, "black panther" from a lot of folks describe john lewis as "the original black panther." >> wow, chad. thank you so much for your insight and for sharing some of your memories, some memorable things about congressman lewis. once again, congressman and civil rights icon john lewis has died, 80-year-old lewis had been diagnosed with stage iv pancreatic cancer. he was undergoing treatment, and now, we are hearing, as of

tonight, you just heard from chad pergram, some memory about the congressman, some of the things he was involved in in congress, but he was also an activist during the civil rights movement, and he was arrested after he used a white restroom back in 1961, telling demonstrators he understood the pain that they were experiencing during our recent demonstrations. lewis was a u.s. representative for georgia's 5th congressional district, and he was serving out his 17th term in the white house. again, if you are just joining us, congressman john lewis has passed away at age 80 after a long battle with pancreatic cancer. let's go ahead and go now to our regular programming, right after this break.

♪ >> lisa: joe biden needs to appeal to blue-collar workers to win the white house. for a long time, pretending to be a good old boy from scranton was his specialty. watch. >> people would hold it against

me, but i'm a hard coal miner, anthracite coal, scranton, pennsylvania.me okay? that's where i was born, and it's nice to be back in coal country. >> lisa: i guess it all depends on his audience. now old coal miner joe biden wants to get rid of fossil fuels.is >> we are going to get rid of fossil fuels. these guys are okay. they want to do the same thing i want to do.. they want to phase out fossil fuels, and we're going to phase out fossil fuels. >> lisa: as you might expect, the people he was pandering to in 2008 are horrified. a pennsylvanian who works for a local steamfitters union told "washington examiner" this: "i'm completely shocked and stunned about the language coming from joe biden, allegedly a union guy. the democratic party has kickeds building trades to the curb and they are all in with environment groups." a registered democrat named jim, who works for an insulator's union in pennsylvania, expressed similar sentiments, saying, "joe biden is really one of us? i always loved the man."

or "is joe biden really one of us? i always loved a o man. he scares me now. he's embracing the green new deal, or whatever they are calling it. he needs to get some stuff straight." justin is the executive editor at the heartland institute and he joins us. justin, former vice president joe biden rolled out his climate change agenda this weeke with e help of aoc and bernie sanders. how would that impact many of these blue-collar workers like the ones we just heard from? >> they would absolutely bet decimated by this plan. effectively the key part of the plan, there's all sorts of crap stuffed into it, but the key part is transitioning the entire grid and making it carbon dioxide free, supposedly, by 2035. it means building billions, not millions, billions of solar panels and wind turbines all over the country which would be absolutely terrible for the environment, by the way. it would require consuming

millions of acres of land, killing millions of animals. but then, on top of that, it would dramatically increase the cost of energy for the entire country. at the center for the american experiment, there was a great article about this where he showed that if you take the increase in electricity costs of the whole country that would occur under joe biden's plan, it would be at least a trillion dollars more per year. depending on how much of the mix of wind and solar in that mix, you would have it be even higher than that. it could be several trillion dollars every single year of additional costs. that means millions and millions of jobs shipped overseas. it would absolutely decimate the midwest and places like pennsylvania. this is a total disaster and a complete betrayal by joe biden. >> lisa: well, so about that, so we heard his comment back in february where he was talking my getting rid of fossil fuels. if you remembered in 2016, hillary clinton said she was going to put coal miners out of work. do you think this comment will have the same impact?

it cost her states like ohio and pennsylvania. >> i hope people are listening, because the reality is that the joe biden these people think they know is gone. that guy left the building.us okay? joe biden can barely put two sentences together, never mind a whole climate change plan, with all sorts of help from the far left-wing people he's brought into his campaign, people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, people from the socialist sunrise movement who are involved in the green new deal. people like all sorts of incredibly radical people. stephanie kelton who doesn't even believe in budget deficits. she thinks you can print as much money as you need. these are people advising joe biden. these bernie sanders influence on the campaign. >> lisa: justin, i want to get into that. typically, what we both know, what you typically see in the primary, candidates move further to the left or right and then moderate in a general election.

but biden seems to be doing the opposite, particularly on climate change issues. why is that? >> that's a fantastic point. i think it's because he's desperately afraid of losing this election because the far left rejects him. t i don't think he's trying to win over people in the middle. it's a really strange election strategy but i think that's the only way to explain this. i think what he's trying to do is keep the far left-wing progressives and socialist base of his party, the aocs of the world, the bernie sanders of the world, keep them happy because he's afraid they're going to walk out of him at the last minute and ruin his chances of winning. he's trying to do everything he can to appeal to those people and those people are incredibly radical. a vote for joe biden is really not a vote for joe biden 20 years ago or 15 years ago or five years ago. it's a vote for alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders and people like that. >> lisa: the big question is how does it impact him in the

rust belt? the rust belt was key to president trump's victory in 2016, and it's going to be key to anyone winning in 2020 as well. >> yeah, i mean, it all comes down to who do you trust? who do you trust? in this case, this man has been making promises for years and years and years now yes completely betray those promises. moved in the polar opposite direction. sold his soul to the far left wing of the democratic party, the socialist wing, and especially the eco-socialist wing of the democratic party. do you trust joe biden? that's a question voters are going to have to ask and if you look at his record, i thinkru there's reasons to be concerned. >> lisa: justin, thank you. we appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> lisa: major new developments in a trial of ghislaine maxwell. emily compagno hosts "crimes that changed america" on fox nation and she joins us. emily. >> hi, lisa. as you know, ghislaine maxwell has been charged with six

federal crimes, four of which involved transporting minors for illegal sexual activity, which she's pled not guilty. at her detention hearing after testimony by victims and arguments by the prosecution, the judge denied bail, ruling her a flight risk, and said sheb had both "motive and opportunity" to flee. prosecutors cited in part her attempt to evade arrest when the fbi came to her multimillion dollar home in new hampshire. she and her alleged boyfriend, scott borgerson, had apparently been ostracized at his home in massachusetts after neighbors learned of her identity, including revoking all privileges, like beach access, that that neighborhood enjoys. now, reports are swirling that jeffrey epstein's personal assistant, sarah kellen, might be arrested next, so her parents argue she was just another victim swept up in maxwellt and epstein's sexual abuse and sex trafficking ring. and lawsuits which named kellan as a defendant, she is described as maxwell's second in command,, her assistant, and even lieutenant. kellan worked for epstein for around ten years as a personal assistant and has been accusedve by victims of complicity in

their sexual abuse, includingea taking nude photographs of victims. the trial for ghislaine maxwell has been set for july 12, 2021. lisa. >> lisa: great reporting, thank you. so it's not clear kanye west is actually running for president but he definitely will be on the ballot in at least one state. that's next. ♪ at's next.

♪ >> lisa: the fox news alert were looking at life pictures of rioters in downtown chicago settingic fireworks and throwing objects at police officers for defending a statue of christopher columbus. the situation appears to be deteriorating quickly and the police around it surrounded and outnumbered b by the crowd. stay tuned to fox news as we follow the story for you.

there is this, supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg undergoing chemotherapy. at 87-year-old justice survived cancer beforean and admitted to the hospital earlier this week for infection are released after a day. we will monitor that story for you and praying for her health and safety as t well. there's also those, rapper kanye west it seems to be shifting gears and rapper kanye west it seems to be more moving forward with the presidential bid and yesterday he b filed documents with the federal election committee and today he filed on the ballot in oklahoma and deleted the image of mount rushmore with his face on it. jason, how are you, my friend? >> congratulations you get your own show and please remember the little people. >> lisa: oh, stop, i appreciate that. if you are too kind. >> lisa: jason, connie is making moves in with you make of

this? >> i think he somewhat serious about this and even with oklahoma, other states there are reports that he's trying to gather signatures in order to get on the ballot in other states and there's no chance that he's going to win but peopleha have to understand the power of a protest vote. there's many people who are completely dissatisfied with the direction the company is going under donald trump and there's people who don't like joe biden and don't think he's coherent or confident or whatever it is and that's them narrative, that's the spread and they are looking for someone who, you know, another option. same thing that happened in 2016 when he saw the green party candidate, joe stein. i don't know anybody who agrees with the joe stein, anti-backs are, but they voted for her because they are worse

dissatisfied with hillary clintd it didn't like donald trump andd happen with kanye west which would enter the history books. it's part of his purpose here. >> lisa: you mentioned joan stein and she was a spoiler in 2016 and do you think that kanye has the opportunity to do the same thing here and who would impact the joe biden or donald trump? >> that's a tough question and i think he absolutely could be a spoiler. we've got to remember, about 77,000 votes and able to get on somebody's ballots and this will be a razor-thin election. very similar to 2016 and you see the national poll and the butration by double digits i think it's going to narrow and it's going to be a good selection. i think joe biden will probably come out on top but you never know. i think that this could be a situation where kanye west takes you the voters from joe biden and takes, you know, some voters

from donald trump as well. it's going to be a toss up and he's a very interesting character in this is a very interesting time we're living in and i'm excited to see how it shapes up. >> lisa: i mean, that's for sure and lets he come out the supportive like pro-life, what kind of reform do you see run-on? >> one strong point of course is the criminal justice reform. someone who advocated for that and i think that's a big reason why he could be trouble for donald trump. i think people who saw donald trump and sighed, oh, all the claims that donald trump is racist and offset byms the fact that he's an advocate for criminal justice reform. i advocates also, but at the same time, kanye west can take that from him and the alice johnson commutation was more her work arguably then donald trump. >> lisa: i don't know oh,

about that. up but jason, you have seen and joe biden said some pretty offensive things about black well.ans as ik mean, impact him? >> i think both candidates have to think about kanye west in the back of their minds. if he can get somebody or 80,000 votes and one of the states, heh could sway the election and it's going to be very, very close particularly with covid-19 and the fact that people not be voting in person and even lower turnout than usual. i think that kanye west and the protest voters could really shift to the election. >> lisa: it'll be interesting and criminal justice reform happened under president trump and not the obama administration it'll be hard for anybody else to claim that mental but professor, watching it and i appreciate you joining us tonight.

great to see you. >> lisa: great senior. >> lisa: that's about it for us tonight and so much fun. if tuning in each night to the show that's the sworn enemy of line, line, smugness, pomposity, and groupthink. >> congress and civil rights leader don lewis died, 80-year-old announced that he had advanced pancreatic cancer and illness prevented him from going to capitol hill so he used to posses to use his vote in congress made the civil icon remained vocal during the recent george floyd protest and released a statement in late may saying that his heart is broken for the men, women, families and during systemic racism in the u.s. lewis, activist during the civil rights movement and arrested after he was in a white restroom in 1961, he