♪ ♪ eric: america mourning the loss of a civil rights pioneer and longtime democratic congressman john lewis. the lawmaker, known as the conscience of the congress, who as a young man protested, spoke out and literally bled in the civil rights struggle, well, as you know, he passed away yesterday at the age of 80 after a battle with pancreatic cancer. welcome to "america's news headquarters," i'm eric shawn. arthel: hi, everyone, i'm arthel neville. the tributes are pouring in from congressional colleagues. house speaker nancy pelosi calling lewis, quote: one of the greatest heroes of american

history. flags at capitol hill now flying at half staff in honor of the outspoken icon. the eldest son of martin luther wing jr. speaking with fox news earlier. >> it is, it is a sad day. you know, it almost feels like a part of history has moved to another dimension. and one of the things, i might add, is in the same day that john lewis transitioned, so did dr. john vivian who was also a lieutenant of my father. he was 95 years old. arthel: we have live fox team coverage. david spunt has new reaction from the white house, but we begin with steve harrigan live in atlanta, a district represented by congressman lewis

for 33 years, since 1987. steve? >> reporter: arthel, a remarkable journey for john lewis beginning in rural alabama 80 years ago. his parents were sharecroppers for a white farm owner. shehe was the third of ten children. he was inspired by reverend martin luther king, writing dr. king a letter and receiving a round trip bus ticket in return. he began by trying to integrate lunch counters in nashville, tennessee, getting knocked off counters in 1963 he was the youngest speaker at the march on washington with dr. king. in 1965, of course, well known for leading the bloody sunday march. 600 peaceful protesters trying to march from selma to montgomery. they were met with violence enforced by state trooper, some of them on horseback. at least 70 people injured inus colluding lewis himself, he was beaten time and time again, his

skull was fractured. we've spoken to people about how they remember their congressman. >> for the forgiveness, his kindness. he stood strong in standing up to what was not right. >> reporter: president george w. bush just released the following statement: as a young man marching for equality e in selma, alabama, john answered brutal violence with courageous hope and throughout his career as a public servant he worked to make our country a more perfect union. america can best honor john's memory by continuing his journey toward liberty and justice for all. year after year throughout the '60 john lewis put his body on the line even when he knew what was coming, and he never waveredded from the course of nonviolence. arthel, back to you. arthel: beaten, bloodied but never broken. steve harrigan, thank you. eric? eric: arthel, the white house is where john lewis stood in the

oval office with dr. king and others meeting president kennedy after the massive 1963 march on washington. president trump has ordered all u.s. flags to be flown at half staff nationwide in honor of the late congressman. david spunt is on the north lawn with more. hi, david. >> reporter: hi, eric, good afternoon. still no direct comment from president trump about congressman lewis' passing, but as you mentioned, he did order that proclamation, actually came through while he was golfing at his virginia club. he just finished, presumably on his way back to the white house right now. but that proclamation orders our flags on federal property in the united states and across the world to fly at half staff specifically through today. vice president mike pence in a rare move issued a statement before president trump. he was a former house colleague of lewis, said the following in part about john lewis, quote: john lewis will be remembered as a giant of the civil rights movement whose selflessness and conviction rendered our nation into a more perfect union, and

his example will inspire generations of americans. while john lewis will be rightly remembered as an icon of the civil rights movement, for me he was also a colleague and a friend. even when we differed, john was always unfailingly e kind, and my family and i will never forget the privilege of crossing the edmund pettis bridge at his side on the 45th anniversary of bloody sunday. as for the late congressman and president trump, the two did not have any sort of relationship. as you know, the president tweets multiple times every day to about 83 million followers. the last time he tweeted specifically about lewis, i checked, january 17, 2017. three days before he became president of the united states. lewis boycotted the inauguration and did not show up. again, nothing directly from president trump, but the white house press secretary, kayleigh mcenany, also put out a statement honoring lewis. eric: david, thank you so much.

arthel: for a look back, let's bring in marc morial, president and chief executive officer of the national urban league and, mark, of course, we lost an american hero e who has left behind an indelible footprint on history. if you would, mark, share your recollection of what john lewis did for civil rights and for america. >> well, thank you very much. prayers to his family and those he was personally close to. it's a sad day for america, but it's also a day of celebration of a triumphant life are, a life of service, a life of unselfishness and a life of principle. so here's the way i think we should remember john lewis. in the 1960s, he was the young guy. he was the leader of the student nonviolent coordinating committee. he was the leader of the youth wing of the civil rights movement. and the youth wing was aggressive, the youth wing was demanding, and john lewis represented a wide range of

young people who were part of the civil rights movement in the 1960s. john lewis did what many in the civil rights days did, they transitioned their lives to elected public office. he became a member of the atlanta city council before he was a member of congress because the view was, was that it was in local and state and federal government that the mission and the aims and the objectives of the civil rights movement could best be continued. but while he was an elected official, he never discontinued being an activist and an advocate. and i think what marks john lewis is this sense of april, his sense of -- principle, of humility, and even in his last days, even when he was sick he went down to black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c. because he wanted to reaffirm, i think, the connectivity of this movement today with what he had

stood for historically. arthel: and congressman john lewis was also supportive of your political career -- >> oh, yes. arthel: -- celebrating when you became the third black mayor of new orleans, your father, of course, was the first. what political lessons did you learn if congressman lewis, and what life lessoned did he teach you? >> well, john lewis, andrew young and maynard jackson when i was a young up and coming candidate held a fundraiser for me in atlanta, very successful. it was always an inspiration to watch john lewis and these role models and giants in action. what i will always remember that while they were giant figures, they were down to earth men. they were men connected with people. they were not pretentious, they were not arrogant in how they carried themselves, they were not, if you will, elitist in the way in which they thought about things. and i think in many respects

those who aspire to whether it's leadership in activism or leadership in politics should study people like john lewis who throughout his life was consistent in his advocacy not only of civil rights, but of human rights. he took courageous stands. and while at the same time, doing something you don't see in american politics told, maintaining a range of personal relationships and personal respect of those that he deeply, deeply, deeply disagreed with. and so, but he is a role model for our generation, he's a role model for the generations that will come behind us because we have to really keep in mind that as a young man in 1963 he was 21 years old, 22 or 23. he represented what we see today in the streets of america, a protest movement that really captures the energy and the aspirations of young people.

arthel: and finally, mark, you know, as the struggle continues, has the battle changed? is this civil rights mission during the time when john lewis was a young man a lot different from today, or are there many similarities? >> i think there are similarities, but what is different is that the solutions we need cannot be embodied in a single piece of federal legislation or a package of federal laws. at the front lines of civil rights in those days, it was about knocking down the walls of segregation which were embodied in state laws, local statutes and customs. today the challenges we face, the structural inequality we see whether it's in health or education, jobs, the challenges with policing, all are much more entrenched, they're much more difficult. but what i also see today is this multiracial movement, this multigenerational movement, this

movement that i believe people should see as being above politics. i think that's what makes today's movement symbiotic with the movement of the 1960s. that it is something beyond traditional politics. it's something that captures the heart and the mind and the passion of so many people. and the work of john lewis, our commitment needs to be to continue this work, to continue it with the same voracity and passion, humility and honor that he represented. arthel: well said, marc morial. thank you for your leadership as well. >> always good to see you. arthel: likewise. thank you. eric. eric: well, arthel, the president, as we just reported, ordered the flags flown at half staff, and he just tweeted this on congressman lewis' passing, quote: saddened to hear the news of civil rights hero john lewis

passing. melania and i send our prayers to he and his family. shifting gears now to the coronavirus pandemic that continues. the grim numbers across the country still rising. the u.s. reporting over 3.6 million confirmed cases and so far 139,000 deaths. florida remains the nation's top virus hot spot with more than 10,000 new cases reported in the past 24-hour period. texas and oklahoma also especially under siege. aishah hasnie live in new york city with more on all of this. new york city set to enter phase four of the state's reopening plan on monday, but some restrictions will continue even though they've made progress in new york. >> reporter: hi, eric. yeah, you know, it wasn't that long ago we were talking about new york city being the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic here in the country. well, now miami-dade county in florida has more covid-19 cases than any county in new york

city, and that's why we're seeing local leaders on the ground in florida tightening their restrictions to stop the spread. more than 337,000 cases and 5,000 total deaths in the sunshine state. miami-dade and broward county the hardest hit there. according to local reports, broward county now has an 11 a.m. to 5 p.m -- 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew. miami-dade will start fining people $100 if they are not wearing a mask in public. the mayor of miami beach which has more than 69,000 cases calls it the epicenter of the epicenter. with large crowds now reported at nightclubs and restaurants, residents telling "usa today" no one seems to be wearing a mask or social distancing and that most of these people are tourists. miami beach now has an 8:00 curfew, that's two hours earlier than miami-dade. today governor desantis asking residents to limit those large gatherings for the next couple

of weeks. listen. >> we have seen a lot of vectors with bigger private gatherings, you know, you have a lot of people together. so we're advising people that, you know, in this situation, you know, having those bug gatherings are something that, you know, can absolutely contribute to the spread. >> reporter: it's incredible what's happening in florida. 18% of the country's new cases are in that state. eric: wow. that's a lot. meanwhile, texas, the lone star state also getting hit hard, but they've decided to drastically change the guidance for the schools coming up. what are they doing there? >> reporter: that's right. texas is now joining several other states in basically allowing public schools to not have to open their classrooms, allowing them to stay closed and instead stay online for the first eight weeks of the school year. that's going to impact five million students, eric. the lone star state is just crossed the 300,000 mark for

total covid cases with record highs in new deaths and total hospitalizations. here's texas governor greg abbott. >> a lot of parents really want to see the children in a schoolroom setting, but we also have to understand that there may be some instances where the spread of covid-19 is so rampant that a school setting may not be the best place. hence, it should be up to local officials to make decisions that is in the best interests of everybody. >> reporter: and, eric, this is going to blow your mind. this is happening, 85 babies, infants you should the age of 1 year old -- under the age, have just tested positive for covid-19 in one texas county. the officials in corpus christi pleading with people there to start wearing masks. eric? eric: wow. and we'll be talking about what they say is the need for masks later on in our newscast after our 4 p.m. eastern time. thank you.

arthel: eric, thank you. protests turning viability in chicago. -- violent in chicago. demonstrators targeting police officers while trying to topple a statue of christopher columbus. and in portland, oregon, authorities using tear gas against protesters there amidweeks of unrest and finger-pointing between the feds and state and local officials. christina coleman is live in los angeles with more. >> reporter: arthel, chicago's mayor, lori lightfoot, just released a statement saying she hopes they can strike a balance of rightfully expressing themselves in a way that doesn't put anyone's physical safety at risk. our fox affiliate in chicago reporting 18 officers were injured and 12 protesters were arrested friday night as a crowd of people tried to tear down a statue of christopher column rl bus. -- columbus. and last night was chaotic again in portland. several hundred protesters gathered outside the justice center downtown, and while most were peaceful, police say others shot off fireworks and smoke

bombs toward the justice center, and several arrests were made. despite nearly 50 days of unrest in portland, local leaders are resisting help from dhs saying the feds are agitate thing the situation. oregon's attorney general announced she's going to file a lawsuit or said she actually filed a lawsuit last night against federal authorities alleging some of them violated civil rights by detaining people without probable cause during the unrest. a video on social media of two agents without name tags grabbing a suspect and putting him in an unmarked minivan has gotten a lot of criticism even though the feds say this person was suspected of assault against agents or destruction of property. house speaker nancy pelosi tweeted in part, quote: unidentified stormtroopers, unmarked cars and kidnapping protesters and causing severe injuries in response to ya fitty, these are not the actions of a democratic republic. however, the acts cbp commissioner says federal authorities are needed in

portland and not be leaving. >> it's attitudes and policies like that that actually beget the violence. look, the argument that the mere presence of federal officers and agents causes violence? that is outrageous and ridiculous. >> reporter: and on thursday the head of the department of homeland security visited portland and issued a scathing statement saying that lawless anarchists destroyed and desecrated property including the federal courthouse. he blames local leadership for not putting a stop to this violence. arkansas -- arthel? arthel: christina coleman, thank you very much. eric? eric: well, so you want to know e if you are infected, so you go get a coronavirus test. but you gotta wait and wait and wait. you know, there are delays across the country in getting results from those tests, and that's causing anxiety and possibly even the spread of the virus. one doctor leading the effort on fighting the pandemic, what you

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st. louis, for example,npr reports 10,000 people are being tested there a day, more than double a month ago. all this, though, delaying some people from returning to work or simply having the peace of mind you need to know that they're fine and not infected or even spreading the virus. so what's causing these delays? dr. alexander garner joins us, commander of the st. louis metropolitan pandemic task force. doctor, thank you for joining us. increased delays and what is the cost? >> well, the main cause is because of the backlog at the national labs. so there's two different types of testing, testing that we do the in the health care systems in our own labs and then the testing that goes down to those national labs. the national labs have just run out of capacity in order to run as many tests as they need to, and that's a because of the resurgence in the virus across the country. they get samples from all over the country, so if they don't have, you know, the personnel, the machines or the equipment to run it, then those tests get

backlogged and, therefore, you see delays in getting the results back. eric: could this potentially really cause an issue? let's say you have coronavirus and you have mild symptoms at first. you go get the test, but now you're waiting. data day and you're getting worse, and you get to the point where maybe you can't breathe or some of the severe impacts from this deadly virus. if you got the results back pronto, wouldn't you know what to do? >> yeah. ld at least give you with peace of mind, either positive or negative, on what you should be doing. and then it could let you know do i need to be doing -- working with the health department to do contact tracing or should i be quarantining, all of those other things. i think the biggest challenge comes with those people that are asymptomatic that are positive because they could potentially still be out interacting with people, continuing to spread and nobody knows it. it also makes it difficult for our public health partnered to

do timely contact tracing, and we know from some modeling that every day that's delayed is that much more virus that's circulating out in the community. and so that's what makes it really worrisome, is potentially people out spreading while they're waiting for their tests to come back. eric: can you talk about for a moment the asymptomatic people? you keep on hearing, well, i'm okay. i keep on hearing about a parties and events and dinners and folks say, i'm fine, i haven't had it. we've had this explosion starting memorial day, then going through the july 4th parties, and some people just, i mean, you know what? they don't get it. >> right. right, right. yeah, and it's typically e the younger crowd because they're the ones that don't suffer as many symptoms with covid as the older people or people with more chronic conditions. and so what the fear is if a group of young people are together and somebody is positive, they spread it to somebody, and if you can't get that test back in a rapid amount

of time, then it's very difficult for them, the health department to go find all those people that were at the gathering and make sure they get tested. but in that time lag, they're now out circulating among the community. but you're absolutely right that the asymptomatic carriers are particularly worrisome. they carly just as much virus -- carry just as much virus as a sick person, so the potential is high to keep transmitting in the community. eric: and finally, quickly, when do you think we'll be caught up? get the tests back in, like, what, 24 hours or something? >> yeah, yeah, that's a difficult question to answer. part of it is this ebb and flow that goes on with the number of cases and lab capacity. you know, if the case rate keeps growing the way it is, it'll be really difficult to catch up with the lab capacity. so the key really is to get the cases down so that the labs can catch up. so it can't be a one or other strategy, it has to be both. decrease cases while increasing

lab capacity, and hopefully they can meet in the middle. eric: the challenge for our nation right now, dr. alexander garza, great to see you. thank you for your insight. >> my pleasure. arthel: we continue our coverage of the passing of civil rights icon congressman john lewis. ahead, capitol hill correspondent chad pergram and congressman bobby rush of the congressional black caucus on lewis' legacy and how he'll be honored. lewis rose to prominence in 1965 when he and hundreds of others were on a 54-mile march to protest the death of a man shot while trying to protect his mother during a civil rights demonstration. lewis and dozens of others were attacked as they crossed the edmund pettis bridge in selma, alabama. this led to the passage of the voting rights act which removed barriers black americans faced when exercising their right to vote. lewis said this 35 years later:

>> today as we work arm in arm across this bridge, no one will beat us, no one will hurt us and call us names! today no one will lose their life for the precious right to vote. history has brought us to this moment. on march 7, 1965, we loved americaing so dearly western ready to die for her.

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day. but we never became bitter or hostile. we kept believing that the truth we stood for would -- arthel: that is civil rights pioneer john lewis in 2016 speaking about the 1965 march in selma, alabama, that would become known as bloody sunday. the brutality there shocked the nation and led to the voting rights act later that year. congressman lewis suffered a skull fracture in that demonstration, and it would not be the last time he faced violence in his long fight for equality. flags are now flying at half staff on capitol hill and at the white house in honor of the lawmaker following his death last night. congressional correspondent chad pergram joins me by phone right now. chad, i want to acknowledge that a sound bite from congressman lewis played at the end of our last segment was from march of 2000, not 1965.

so, chad, if you would, expound on congressman lewis' legacy of nonviolent protest. >> you know, there was a dichotomy to john lewis, i was in nashville last year and visited the lunch counter where he conducted the sit-in. i told him about that and he said that was the site of the first of his 45 times he was arrested by the mis. there was this calm to lewis, and you could just imagine him is sitting at that lunch counter. and after that arrest in nashville, more than 500 people showed up the next day for another sit-in. these tactics extended decades, after the billions -- pulse nightclub shooting, representative lewis sat right there on the carpet on the floor of the house chamber calmly for more than 24 hours. many house republicans demanded the house sergeant at arms arrest lewis, but then-house

speaker paul ryan knew that would be precisely the wrong signal to send, terrible optics for the republicans. [audio difficulty] as if he were transferring calm to you, but with lewis could always be fire and thunder as you heard in some of those clips there speaking in an impassioned speech on the house floor if he spotted injustice. arthel: absolutely are. a characteristic combination that is, indeed, very forceful and very effective. so how will, chad, members of congress honor the life and legacy of john lewis? >> well, you know, there's been talk about renaming the edmund pettis bridge. he served in the united states senate, was a grand drag done in the cue clucks klan and lou -- ku klux klan, and lewis, of course, led e the annual march. but even some sport ors say it's best to keep the name -- there's

been some discussion about -- [inaudible] john mccain was the last to be in the rotunda when he i died in 2018. and the late maryland congressman elijiah cummings, but it's unclear how lying in state would work in a pandemic. [audio difficulty] and one of georgia's i statues in the capital is of alexander hamilton stephens, vice president of the confederacy. stevens delivered what's called the cornerstone speech. it's arguably one of the most racist speeches in u.s. history. stephens was a cornerstone to american government and that blacks should be subordinate to whites who he called the superior race. there's been a lot of talk about changing some of these statues that have ties to the confederacy, and that might be part of the conversation, maybe switching out one of the georgia statues in favor of john lewis. arthel: so many ways, options to

honor a man who deserves all the accolades and praise that this is to bestow upon him and his legacy. chad, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. arthel: eric? eric: joining us now is a lawmaker who knows very well about lewis' life and legacy firsthand, illinois congressman bobby rush, a member of the congressional black caucus. congressman, good to see you. not under these circumstances. >> good seeing you, eric. eric: we are remembering and honoring the late congressman as an iconic symbol of the civil rights movement. for a moment, if i could, sir, the man. in 1966 you joined the student nonviolent coordinating committee that he was the chairman of. you served in congress alongside him. what was, what was he like? >> well, john lewis was such a a peaceful man. he had is such a peaceful

demeanor. his conversational tone was level. but when john lewis became animated, when his passion rose to, rose up in him, his peaceful voice would turn quickly into a roar. and john lewis had this baritone of a voice, and it was almost like trumpets sounding from deep within a mountainous area. i mean,s it was just so stunning, so captivating. and then when he started to speak about the things our hearts felt, when he started

pointing out the things that we were engaged in that did not really reach his sense of what truth and justice and equality was all about, ebb then he had a way of -- then he had a way of forcing you to reconsider your ways. now, that might have been momentary for some, but it was really poignant and transformative for many others. so john never, never really threatened you in a vengeful way. his sense of nonviolence was in him through and through. it was a part of his dna. but when his passion rose up, you would find that quiet demeanor again.

and is so his outrage against injustice was just almost insurmountable. and although he and i had a parallel history, i did join student nonviolent coordinating committee, but it was right after he resigned, right after stokely carmichael took over the leadership of the student nonviolent coordinating committee. so -- and the movement at that time grew from the south to the north, and there were different issues in the north than there were in the south. blacks in the north were suffering a different kind of repression than blacks in the south. we already had the right to vote here. when we had a problem of police brutality, session regated cities -- segregated cities, indecent housing, low quality education.

so the issues were somewhat different. eric: congressman bobby rush, thank you for your thoughts and your reflections on your fellow member of congress and some of the issues you just talked about. >> we're going to miss john lewis. we will miss him. and the one thing that he leaves expect legacy that he -- and the legacy that will be studied by generations to come. eric: that, it will be. the legacy of john lewis. and some of those issues still, sadly, continue with us in our nation today. congressman bobby rush out in chicago. congressman, thank you. and we'll be right back. from this commercial? did any of you hear the "bundle your home and auto" part? -i like that, just not when it comes out of her mouth. -yeah, as a mother, i wouldn't want my kids to see that. -good mom. -to see -- wait. i'm sorry. what? -don't kids see enough violence as it is? -i've seen violence. -maybe we turn the word "bundle" into a character,

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eric: we just heard from congressman bobby rush on his old frerngd john lewis. congressman emmanuel cleaver of missouri joined neil cavuto earlier today to talk about lewis' e belief in nonviolent protests. this as confrontations between police and protesters happened again last night in chicago and

portland, oregon. >> number one, i don't think there's anybody who has had any relationship with john lewis who would believe that he would do anything except condemn the violence. john has taught all of us, i think, there is no guarantee that nonviolence set things straight, but we can guarantee that violence never set things straight. and i know those, whoever's responsible for this may have believed they were doing manager to improve the situation -- something to improve the situation, but what they've done is silly, and it does enormous damage to the program, the plan, the hope that many of us are putting forward. and for, you know, i guess happenstance that he it takes mace at a time when we are --

place at a time when we are mourning the loss of probably one of the top five nonviolent figures of the last century and the beginning of this century. neil: you know, congressman, a move afoot right now among some progressives to defund or completely revamp police departments. joe biden is not among them. but certainly, there are many, many progressives who have been saying that's long overdue and now's the time. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, you know, we can always, you know, reinvent things. i think we need to have the police department remain the police department. i do think that there are some things we can change. one of those things, for example, is we need a division of the police department to deal with calls to, you know, move

someone with a mentallal problem to another situation, to a hospital or something. i don't -- i think we are unfair to police to send them on domestic calls, somebody suffering from schizophrenia who has a knife but who if he or she had their medicine would be calm, i mean, i don't think we just end send them out on every single call. it's unfair to them, and they were not trained to deal with all of those circumstances. so i do think we can make some changes in the police department. when people say we must defund the police department and then, you know, just kind of clamp down on that, i mean, let's defund the police department, i think that damages what many of us would like, and that is to see a new vision or to create a new vision for the police where, you know, they are part of the community. i am a big advocate and i started this when i was mayor of

having police on the beat, walking the beat as they did in days gone by. so when lou is acting up on the street corner and saying, what is your grandma going to say when she finds out you're down here acting up? and people, i grew up with we only had two african-american police at the time when i was growing up, and they could only arrest black people. but we knew them and they knew us. they could say, hey, you know, it's time to go home. oh, yes, sir. okay, mr. boyd, mr. kelly, we're headed home. so they've been doing some damage when they, you know, just kind of clamp down on, no, we want to defund the police. that's not going to happen, number one. and, number two, i think it creates more and more division in a nation that's already actively divided. arthel: will congress do more for americans including small

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>> my advice is to concentrate one step at a time. >> remember, you can only control your own performance. so everyone around you has to do

their job. trust your team and they won't let you down. because it's up to each and every one of us to make progress. to stick with us. so stick with it. and, dallas, we will come back. arthel: that is legend emmitt smith urging dallas businesses to use safe practices as the state continues to struggle with coronavirus. kyle noonan is co-owner of free range concept, a small business owner with footprints in three of texas' biggest cities. kyle, first of all, free range concepts own, i understand, 11 locations in dallas, san antonio e and houston, and i'm told that you have not closed any of them, but you're working at limited capacity. so how many employees did you have to let go during this pandemic? >> well, so we are at 50% capacity in the state of texas for restaurants. so, obviously, at 50 percent capacity you're at 50 percent

revenue best case scenario. we have 1100 team members, and we were able to retain all those team members fortunately, but i will tell you it's very challenging, and unless there's another stimulus package, most businesses just like mine won't be able to endure another 6, 12 months of uncertainty. arthel: well, treasury secretary steve mnuchin says the next stimulus package should extend ppp, which as you know, is the paycheck protection program, but target smaller businesses. and although e the secretary, treasury secretary not a big fan of this next idea, however, congress contemplating a payroll tax cut or holiday for small businesses. would you qualify for both, and would it help? >> we would. so i think it's, first, important to understand the original stimulus package which was done in haste, very quickly because, obviously, we had this calamity just pop up on us that we didn't expect. so the original stimulus panel,

while it was effective, it was kind of like fishing with dynamite to a certain degree where, yes, you can catch some fish, but you might have some unintended consequences. and one of those unintended consequences of the first stimulus package was businesses had the opportunity to get the ppp dollars in order to hire employees, but on the other end of it, the unemployed were given bonus checks -- arthel: right. >> and incentives to stay at home. there was this friction -- arthel: yeah. you know, kyle, i get your point. i do have to jump in, i apologize, up against a hard break here, end of show. we'll get you back on. much success to you there in texas, all right? thank you very much. and eric and i will be back at 4 p.m. eastern with more news.

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