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protests in downtown. officers using tear gas to try and calm the unrest. president trump once again slamming democrat leaders in those cities. >> we are going to have more federal law enforcement, that i can tell you. they've done a fantastic job. they've been there three days and they have really done a fantastic job in a very short period of time. no problem. a lot of people in jail. these leaders, these are anarchists. these are not protesters. people say protesters, these people are anarchists. these are people that hate our country, and we are not going to let it go forward. i'll tell you what, the governor and the mayor and the senators out there, they are afraid of these people. >> gillian: this is "outnumbered." i'm gillian turner. great to be with you at home today on the virtual couch. we have katie pavlich, editor of "town hall." she's also fox news contributor. kennedy, a host of "kennedy" on fox business. we are also joined by fox news

24/7 had lance reporter, carley shimkus. and our one lucky guy today, he is the cohost of "the five," he is also a fox news clinical analyst. what a title. juan williams. i want to go to you first. mark morgan earlier today on "america's newsroom" said these protesters are not protesters, in fact. they are criminals. they set out each and every day to cause chaos in the in the country's major city streets. committing arson, rioting. what say you? >> juan: and not on the scene, but i think it's clear there are some people there who are engaged in illegal violent activities, and those people should be arrested. my concern is that they should be arrested by local authorities. this is an issue for local government under the u.s. constitution, not for the imposition of federal force. i think that's what you see the governor of oregon mayor of portland, both asking

the federal government to leave and suggesting this is an abuse of federal power that is, in fact, provoking more confrontation and more violence. i was taken by the video of an american wearing a navy t-shirt over the weekend, he was a veteran of annapolis, the naval academy here, in annapolis, maryland, and he said he simply wanted to go out there to see what was going on and he was badly beaten and pepper sprayed and says he think this is an outrage. i think that's why you see the attorney general of oregon filing suit against homeland security. i think that's why the aclu was filing suit. and that's why you see people saying this is being staged by the trump administration to provoke confrontation as political theater to try and stir up his base. it seems to me to be unnecessary. local government should handle it. >> gillian: all right,atie, mark morgan also confirm some of the folks out on the street are

rapid response units. those are federal agents. critics of the government's handling of these rights say it's an over response. what this is actually doing is exacerbating the situation on the ground. what say you? >> katie: well, if you take a look at what they are protecting, they are protecting federal officers and the federal courthouse building. in portland, the anarchists surrounded the building, tried to block off exits to the building, and then threw in fireworks and other things that could set the building on fire in an effort to kill these agents or severely injure them. if you remember back when this whole thing started and these protests kicked off and became violent in places like oakland, a federal officer protecting the courthouse there, patrick underwood, was killed. this is the feder and saying it's only getting worse. "we have partnerships with local law enforcement all across the countries and cities where this is not happening because there is a cooperation."

the portland government and the mayor clearly doesn't want to cooperate and they don't want any agents killed and said that courthouse. we are, sending in people to dee agents and officers, and the property that they work in. >> gillian: kennedy, you are a great advocate for u.s. citizens' privacy and civil liberties. one of the major critiques -- another major critique of the government's handling here is, across the city, the country, from washington, d.c., to seattle, to portland, we are seeing unmarked police cars rounding up folks, arresting them, detaining them. a lot of folks including the aclu say this is not kosher, this is not acceptable, and it speaks to the fact that the trump administration is really militarizing u.s. streets. >> kennedy: yes, i don't like that. i don't like the visual, i don't

like the unconstitutionality. i don't disagree with juan, this is a local issue. it should be a local issue. local police should be able to take care of the violence, the looting, and the unrest. the problem here is the local leadership, and that's what happens. ted wheeler is wrong when he says we don't want federal troops in our city, especially ain unmarked cars, you are not properly identifying themselves, possibly violating due process d constitutional rights. that is wrong. this is not a mutual exclusivity. you can have both things happening at the same time. you can have a federal overreach, but you can also have a complete collapse and failure of leadership. jenny durkan, the mayor of seattle, and ted wheeler, the mayor of portland, they are no longer leading. they are following the mob. it is not only incredibly dangerous, think of these businesses in portland and seattle as crops. i'm not the protesters, but the

rioters and the looters and the violent jerks who have nothing else to do. they are like locusts. they descend, especially at night, and they are destroying these once blossoming business crops, and that is so wrong on so many levels. i will say this over and over again, to the mayors of cities where i've lived and that i love, grow a pair and lead. it is time for you to lead. he ran to be mayor, now run your city. >> gillian: al all right, carle, somewhere in between the two ideas that are threaded throughout the last few weeks where we've seen this escalation in violence, pretty much across the board from the east to the west coast, we've got a lot of folks saying this is a particularly dangerous time because of the coronavirus, because it's an unprecedented pandemic. we have that combined with racial unrest. it has been spreading like

wildfire. tell us a little bit about the mood. tell us about how these two elements are now combining to make a lot of our biggest cities' streets light up like firelight. >> carley: i think we all feel it. it's an unprecedented time we are living in right now, and it's a time i am certainly going to tell my children about. it's going to be written in the history books. i do see this as a local issue, but when local leaders prove that they can't handle it themselves, when c.h.o.p. zones are created, or when there's 60 days of violent protests and some of that violence is targeting federal buildings, it also becomes a federal issue. these liberal leaders where these riots are taking place, their hands are totally tied. politically, they can't accept help from the president because that would be a total job killing for them personally, so they sort of have to align themselves with the rioters who are destroying portions of their cities.

there are two schools of thought, here. one is you do with the president is doing and you keep going, send an federal aid, and try to get agents to help local police officers on the ground they are. the other is just to say, "okay, let the governors have what they want. if they don't want the federal help, pull out." and see how local communities actually like that. that sounds cruel, because it kind of is. one thing is for sure, language out of the mayor of portland, ted wheeler, saying that federal agents on the ground "aren't welcome here." that doesn't help anybody. imagine trying to be a federal agent trying to keep the community safe and hearing that. imagine being a riot or hearing that. what does that say to that person? it makes the situation totally dangerous and entirely out of control. >> gillian: well said. we've got to leave it there, guys, but coming up on the other side of the break, as these violent protests continue to

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>> kennedy: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and house leader kevin mccarthy meet today with president trump and top administration officials at the white house to discuss the next coronavirus relief package. just a short time ago, president trump saying it must include a payroll tax cut. watch. >> i think it's a very important

thing, it's very good. it has been proven to be successful. it is a big savings for the people.it is a tremendous savin. i think it's an incentive for companies to hire the workers back and to keep their workers. payroll tax cuts, to me, are very important. we are working on it. i don't think there is too much dispute as to the level of importance. >> kennedy: house democrats passed their own $3 trillion package in may. >> nancy pelosi says working families are the top priority. >> more money in the pockets of the american people, as the third big pillar. everybody understands the economy will only get worse if we do not continue to support working families in our country. as we have done. >> kennedy: "let them work!" all right, katie, i will go to you first. what are kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell trying to work out with the president going

forward in coronavirus relief? >> katie: republicans are trying to balance this idea of continuing some economic stimulus in a time when we have an unprecedented situation of an employment. we will also incentivize people to go back to work. there is this battle between treasury secretary steve mnuchin and larry kudlow, the economic advisor in the white house, about how exactly to do that. steve mnuchin tends to be a big government spending guy, larry kudlow seems to think we should stimulate the private sector in the economy to get people back to work. republicans have been very hesitant to jump into another stimulus package. they haven't spent all the money in the first round of legislation that they pushed forward, so they are trying to see how that works out first before he put another trillion dollars in the table of spending. kennedy, the national debt today is $26.5 trillion, and it may not feel like that hurts today but it will certainly hurt in the future. this shows why having this onerous amount of debt is a problem. if we didn't, it would be much

easier to push through stimulus packages that you could arguably say help the economy and help people get back on their feet. the main thing is incentivizing people to go back to work. on the unemployment people are getting, many people were getting more money through government stimulus than they were when they were working. >> kennedy: people say that openly. juan, there are two problems. one of them, katie brought up. i would like to vice president biden really address this. how we are going to tame the deficit. when you increase access and you create spending, you limit economic growth. we won't have tax receipts. but we have seen a lot of businesses who shouldn't be receiving stimulus checks and are getting them. you see millions and billions of dollars go out, and there doesn't seem to be a mechanism in place to sort of stem the corruption. so, what can be done on that front to make sure the people who really need it -- because there are a lot of people in desperate need -- that they get it and it is not being used for

profit by people who are already flush with cash? >> juan: kennedy, that's a big problem. the quick answer is you have to have accountability, transparency, and how this money is spent in who gets it, to prevent that kind of corruption. it is to the point, especially in terms of the deficit, that there is a huge amount of money going out and it's understandable given the crisis that we, as the american people, are going through with this pandemic. but it's just galling to see some of the money is wasted on people who are corrupt or spending it to go gambling or on vacation. it just makes you furious. anyway, it makes me furious. >> kennedy: yeah. >> juan: the larger argument here, and the point of negotiation in washington, is about what would go into an extension of the unemployment benefits that are supposed to expire in, i guess, about two weeks here at the end of july. that is a difficult one. i think you just heard katie speak about the issue of

reopening, and wanting to make sure people have incentive to go back to work. that's exactly true, but it's also true that they have to have something to go back -- a place to go back to work. many places, as you know, are still closed. some have started to open in phases, some business, but that increasingly now -- especially in areas that continue to be hard-hit by the virus -- are having to peel back or retrench on reopening. i think key to reopening is making sure that we have good steps, good safety procedures for the virus. until then, i do think that we want to avoid those scenes of long lines at food banks, people lining up for any help they can get. i think it also helps the economy keep going if those people have some money to spend. there are two windows on it. the agenda about preventing liability, lawsuits, this payroll tax cut, i think it's

really difficult for republica republicans. as republicans who want to be dominic win reelection, and they say, "why can't i get unemployment at a time when i ct work?" it's not that they don't want to work, they'll say they can't work. >> kennedy: it's about finding the balance. with a payroll tax cut, that's going be very popular for not only workers but employers, particularly small businesses. gillian, let's talk about some of the senate republicans who might be breaking with the white house here. what are the lines? what are they going to offer some of the voters in their states to ensure they reelecti reelection? >> gillian: well, kennedy, one of the core problems here that needs to be addressed before the hill is really going to move forward on this is at the white house, by all accounts from our reporters and reporters that other networks, is split over what to do with those $600 monthly payments to americans. they are unsure whether

continuing them or not is a good idea. they are generally splitting down into two camps. on the one hand we have steve mnuchin and his team, saying that the $600 payments to americans really worked. they encryp injected the companh cash they injected the economy with cash. and then you have larry kudlow and his team saying that it creates a disincentive that you and juan were talking about a moment ago, for americans to work at low-wage jobs. if they are getting $600 from the federal government, why push to get back into the workforce now when they can kind of subsist on that? the white house really needs to unify its messaging on this to capitol hill before republican senators can coalesce around their plan and try and move it forward. >> kennedy: all right, carley, what is the most important thing here? is it for the president to look good like he cares and maybe engender some goodwill from voters who are on the fence? or is it really using this

stimulus and the federal government to improve the economy in the short term, because that is the president's shield? that is his captain america shield, the economy. >> carley: he is the economier in chief. you can go with the second one in your option of two. i think the solution would be for people who are making that additional $600 in unemployment, why not pay them that additional $600 for a period of time even if they go back to work? so they don't have to get hit with his choice of staying home and maybe making more money if they stay home. get them back in the workforce, pay them the $600 for a period of time, get them back in the workforce so employers aren't hurt by this, as well. and then everybody wins. i know it's obviously a huge financial burden on taxpayers, but, i mean, we are already spinning trillions of dollars.

what's another $600 for the millions of people that are out of work right now? i joke, but i'm also very serious. i could be money very much well spent and sort of a solution to this problem that republicans are fighting with here. >> kennedy: all right, but how we gon' pay it back? no one answered that! president trump attacking joe biden on his mental fitness for office, even challenging him to take a cognitive test like he did. the response from the biden camp and how the president's jobs are playing with voters. that's next. >> to be president, you have to be sharp and tough and so many other things. he doesn't even come out of his basement. ♪ surance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk...

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who, again, passed away friday night. let's listen. >> he inspired us as the conscience of the congress, and we have all been truly blessed to know, love, and share the life and legacy of this extraordinary human being. i ask that you join my wife, vivian, and me along with the members of the georgia delegation in extending our deepest condolences to john's family, friends, staff, including his faithful and devoted chief of staff, michael collins, and all those around the world who mourn his loss. john, rest in peace and lie down with pleasant dreams knowing that this current generation will continue the fight for the

ultimate realization of your beloved community. madam speaker, i now yield to our distinguished colleague from georgia, mr. graves. >> thank you, mr. bishop. i first met john lewis just a few feet from where we are right now, in the well of the house. i was especially liked member to be i was a special elect member to be, and it was john who met l mike welcomed me down in the well. i will never forget that day. it was his thunderous voice that filled the chamber as he welcomed me and introduced me to each of you. he honored me that day. afterwards, he embraced me and then he stood by me as i put my hand up and took the oath of

office. it is truly a privilege now for me to be able to stand before you and to honor him, not far from where he honored me, as we remember the life and legacy of who was known as a gentle, gentle giant. a man whose courage and strength in the face of injustice and violence will forever be remembered. a man whose kindness and humility was apparent to anyone who had the opportunity to meet him. our nation has indeed lost a giant, and it's times like these that we must be reminded of the shoulders that we stand on. the shoulders of giants, like john. i am better off because of john lewis. we are all better because of john lewis. our nation is so much better because of john lewis.

so, in the days to come, we should all strive to be a little bit more like john. humble, grateful, and thankful for the opportunity to leave this nation in better shape for the next generation. may god bless john lewis, and bring peace to his family in the days to come. i yield back. >> madam speaker, i ask that all members arise for a moment of silence and remembrance of the honorable john robert lewis. >> the chair asks that all those present in the chamber, as well as members and staff at the capitol and all who love john lewis, wherever you are, rise in a moment of silence and

remembrance of the conscience of the congress, the honorable john lewis. [moment of silence]

for what purpose does the gentleman from georgia -- [applause] >> kennedy: an emotional moment for thou speaker nancy pelosi, the house back in session to honor the legacy and life of john lewis. the sharecropper's son who spent decades fighting for racial equality. and there you have it. >> biden wants to come in and ruin our country. triple your taxes. he wants to do things, he wants to add regulations that i've cut. he wants to destroy this country. but it won't be me, him, it'll be the radical left. >> katie: president trump in his hour long sit down with our own chris wallace, calling joe biden a tool far left democrats and again questioning

the presented nominee's mental fitness for office. the biden campaign firing back, "for over a cycled through the same self-defeating attacks of joe biden and have failed to get traction on and a single one." all this as the latest fox news poll inc. shows biden toppling the president by eight points nationally, 49% to 41%. that gap was there since june when the former vp led by 12 points. so, juan, we will go to you first. should joe biden be answering questions and sitting down for interviews like the president has? >> juan: sure. it's an opportunity for the american people to get to know the candidates who are running for president, so of course you need to have him out there in some capacity even as we face this pandemic. the former vice president is doing interviews. i think the president has been very aggressive in recent days in doing interviews to try and get his message out.

so, the whole business, katie, about mental fitness, is a tricky one. the fox poll that came out that you mention, plus 8 right now for biden, also indicates that the former vice president biden is winning among voters who are plus 65. when asked about mental fitness, again, voters of all ages choose biden over trump in terms of who is more mentally and physically able to handle the job. but the reason i mention voters over 65 is because i think, if you go after someone's mental acuity, it is a very vulnerable point for older voters. i don't think they like it. there is a risk of a blowback there. >> katie: kennedy, we should point out there were a few more democrats polled in polling than republicans. and a lot of independents, registered voters. but as the question of mental fitness, given the current situation of the age of both

nominees, fair game and a fair point? >> kennedy: it is, but it's also a really boring point. that's what this election is going to boil down to. "he's old old and slow!" really? this is what you give us? a lot of what these polls show us isn't about excitement for joe biden. no one is excited about joe biden. no one is mad at joe biden, nobody really likes him that much. it's like running against tofu. you can charge it up with teriyaki sauce, but it's pretty bland. whatever. the point is the president is running against himself. democrats could put up joe exotic and he would have the same poll numbers. maybe a little bit higher in the south. [laughter] >> carley: i think joe exotic might take it, kennedy. on a more serious note, there are a series of really tough issues that the white house is dealing with and joe biden has said current affairs of the top

of mind for all americans. the president answering a number of questions about that with chris wallace. it's an issue people are looking at in terms of leadership. according to this latest polling, joe biden has a little bit of an edge on that. >> gillian: he has a significant edge, actually. he leads the president by 17 points when it comes to the handling of the coronavirus. a quick point on what kennedy said, katie, if president trump wins reelection, he'll be 74 on the first day of his second term. if joe biden wins, he'll be 78. so we are not exactly talking apples and oranges here. it's not as if one candidate is significantly younger when we are talking about physical and mental fitness. not that age is always a marker of either of those things, but it's important to keep their significant ages in mind when we have this conversation. there is nobody young on the ballot. when it comes to the polling you mentioned, there are some real problems for president trump.

this latest fox news poll mack showed, i think, the most damaging number for president trump on the economy,n was even leading him when it comes to approval of handling of the economy and who americans trust to handle a rebound from the coronavirus. biden is only leading by one point, so it's pretty insignificant, but the fact that president trump isn't leaps and bounds ahead of the former vice president when his entire administration is hanging its hat on his leadership when it comes to the national economy, that would be, for me, if i was a strategist for the president, the most worrying aspect of this poll. the other significant number here is that voters trusted president trump -- excuse me, vice president biden, when it comes to handling race relations by 21 percentage points. there is a lot of room there that president trump is going to have to make up for. >> katie: there's a lot on his plate, i'm sure. carley, is a really fair to say that joe biden has been leading

on any of these issues considering he hasn't answered questions from reporters? he hasn't been out there doing a series of campaign events. he's done a few of them, but he hasn't been the one having to make tough decisions and taking the criticism for the fallout of what happens after that. >> carley: right, that is definitely a good point. i guess my counter would be that president trump may be a little bit too much out there. he was peek president trump during his interview with chris wallace yesterday, and i think that sort of behavior is hurting him. it comes down to a bit of a behavioral thing, not so much what he is doing, but how he says it and his behavior. i know he isn't going to pull back on that, because it were trained in 2016. he also doesn't believe polls because they were wrong in 2016. if he has somebody working in his campaign that had a lot of courage, that person might want to say, "listen, it's 2020, it's not 2016. you just had a double whammy of coronavirus and civil unrest, maybe it's time to just tighten up your behavior just a little

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>> kennedy: debate over male in voting ramping up amid the coronavirus pandemic. now a new washington post abc polls finds a plurality of americans, 49%, say voting by mail is "vulnerable to significantly oval, global fraud." 43% say they are adequate pretensions that protections against that. meanwhile, security leaders including madeleine albright, john kerry, and james clapper -- what a bunch -- are warning that

foreign interference remains a threat and they are urging congress in a letter to keep election safe. juan, how do you do that? but also give people peace in mind that, if there's an, it's e compromised >> juan: i guess he put a protections. >> kennedy: what does that mean, put in protections? what are those protections? >> juan: i think you have to assure them that once they cast a ballot by mail that ballot then goes to someplace where it would be protected. that ballot would not be subject to being twisted or turn. remember hanging chads and all the like? and there are people there to receive it who, in fact, are to be trusted. republican, democrat, independent. and they can be double checked. some people would like that to be an automatic system.

again, then you'd have to put in protections against computers and the like distorting the results of electronic counting of mail-in ballots. in all these cases, i think that's why the letter was written. you're going to need more money to make sure those protections are in place. >> kennedy: i want to ask you, carley, about some of the problems. in california, as long as the ballot gets to the registrar by election day -- not by election day, as long as it's postmarked by election day will be counted. that means if come a lot to a lot ofstates have this, wee it winner on election night. it'll take up to three weeks per that's very unsatisfying. >> carley: stop it right now, we can't have us in this country! at my opinion on this is that mail-in ballots don't need to happen. yesterday i was walking down the street and i saw about 100 people stay in line for shake shack. i respected the heck out of the back half of that line for their dedication to fast food.

we have been able to stand in line for things that are much less important than voting. we have worked out the kinks. you stand 6 feet apart, wear a mask, vote, and sanitize your hands afterwards. i see this as such a nonissue. >> kennedy: gillian, there has been vulnerability in our election system in terms of international security threats. so, how do you put in safeguards? that is actually a different kettle of fish altogether than mail-in voting. there are still a lot of bad actors out there who would love to permeate our electoral bubb bubble. >> gillian: oh, they have and they will continue to do so. election security is really a national security issue in every presidential election. not just 2016 or 2020, every single time we go through something like this where there are major threats. the core problem is that democrats and republicans can't agree on what the major issue is.

democrats believe it's foreign interference. russia, china, north korea, iran, all making moves to try to influence how americans vote and the outcomes. republicans, as juan says, believe the number one threat is voter fraud, which includes mail-in ballots. they can actually put in the coronavirus relief bill that they are working on now. money to cover both fronts. they don't actually have to prioritize these things. they can decide both are really important and start throwing money at it, because though that is not the answer, it will help. i've been talking to election officials who tell me money will go a long way in terms of the next four months. >> kennedy: so much money going out, and still so many questions. katie will answer them on the other side of the break. president trump not backing down from his threat to veto a defense bill over a push to rename military bases that honor confederate generals. by the president says he is against changing those names. that's next. ♪ ♪

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>> carley: president trump defending his threat to veto a defense spending bill over a provision to remove the names of federate leaders confederate leader for military bases. here's how you responded then to mike when chris wallace reminded

him that the pentagon supports renaming installations like fort bragg and fort benning. >> i don't care what the military says. i'm supposed to make the decision. fort bragg is a big deal. won two world wars, nobody even knows general bragg. we won two world wars. go to the community, say, "how do you like the idea of renaming fort bragg?" then what are we going to name it? are you going to name it after the reverend al sharpton? >> carley: okay, juan, president trump says that even though these bases are named after confederate leaders, over the course of time, over the course of two world wars, they now mean something else. something purely american. does have a point? >> juan: i think people might not even know who general bragg was, or -- the key here is politics, and you see mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader, saying he doesn't agree with the president on this.

i think people understand the importance, this is a $74 billion military spending bill. the idea is you hold it up over this where the military itself is saying, not only to the renaming, but the confederate flags, "let's move on." that is a tough argument for the president. >> carley: katie, speaking of politics, there's a lot in this defense bill pay money for new good nuclear weapons. what if he does veto it? speech of the democrats are the ones who attacked us into the bill. they're the ones holding up the pay raise for the troops and other important things from the military as a result of wanting to rush this through. the vast majority of americans do not believe in renaming these military installations. the president makes a good point when he says the local communities should have a voice. this is being rushed through in the name of some kind of social justice, but it really hasn't been debated thoroughly. to tack it onto a piece of

legislation, a massive piece of legislation, and hold the military hostage as a result, it's an unfair move by the democrats and they know it. >> carley: gillian, this is a pretty specific question, but i was so curious. day-to-day operations, do you know if renaming -- it's kind of a big deal. it's more than just a sign and a signature on the bottom of an email. would renaming a military base do anything to impact the day-to-day operations of that base? >> gillian: not the day-to-day operations, but be quite costly. the different branches are doing their own studies to figure out the exact bottom line, but they will have to spend a lot of money to rename these bases. also, katie is absolutely right, the defense spending bill is not the place to be carrying out this argument. holding the military hostage, the president democrats have coa major foul. >> carley: politics just weasels its way into everything these days, don't you think it? at least we all agree on that. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. ♪ ta-da!

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>> gillian: thanks to everybody at home for joining us for "outnumbered" today. thank you to the virtual couch, especially our special guest juan williams. you can catch them tonight on "the five." here's harris. ♪ >> harris: president trump is set to announce a move to try and quell violent protests in major cities. you're watching "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. the president says he will be deploying federal law enforcement personnel to additional major cities, as portland, oregon, is rocked by a 53rd straight night of violence last night amid growing controversy over the presence of federal agents. officers battling demonstrators again after police declared a protest, a riot, earlier i