>> melissa: it was a pleasure to be with you, bill hemmer. >> bill: you, as well, melissa. have a great day. "outnumbered" starts right now. see you at 3:00 eastern time. until then, here's harris. >> harris: thank you, bill. fox news alert now, a fierce political battle brewing over president trump's threat to send in more federal officers to united states cities where unrest is now so violent. the chicago police department has released this shocking video of one such protest from last friday. 49 police officers left hurt. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany ripping democratic mayors over the violence in the cities just moments ago. >> violence, chaos, and anarchy in portland is unacceptable. democratic governors and democratic mayors are unwilling to admit that they have lost control of their cities, and we

will not allow portland to become the new c.h.o.p. like what we saw in seattle. >> harris: meanwhile, oregon's two democratic senators are among the sponsors of a bill that would block what they call "federal paramilitary applicatiooccupation." even as portland's side's 54th street night of tense protesting. just last night, portland's mayor joined five others in demanding that federal agents stay out of their cities, and they sent letters to the administration and congressional leaders about it. here is new york city mayor bill de blasio a short time ago. >> this president blisters and bluffs and says he's going to do things and they never materialize, on a regular basis. first, we should not overrate his statements. if you try to do it, it would only create more problems. it would backfire, it would make us safer. we would even take action in court to stop it. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner.

here today, fox news correspondent gillian turner. senior editor at ""the federalist"" and fox news contributor, mollie hemingway. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. in the center seat, former white house press secretary for president george w. bush and also a fox news contributor, ari fleischer is with us. good to see everybody today. ari, it will begin with you. why in the world with these mayors take such a position that prevents them from cleaning up what is going on in their citi cities? >> ari: harris, this is a tragedy unfolding. we are watching the breakdown of the american society. it began, frankly, in minneapolis when the mayor of minneapolis allowed the third precinct to be sacked. from that moment forward, the protesters watched on tv, the looters and the vandals and the rioters thought, "it's okay, authority will back down." that incited people across the country. portland and seattle have long

been hotbeds of this type of violence. it started in the late '90s when bill clinton was in office in seattle, if you recall. the mayors would rather practice summers of love, radical love, as they would call it, then do what they are supposed to do to protect society and ensure public safety. it's a breakdown in responsibility by those in charge. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: i don't disagree what ari is saying about the c.h.o.p. district in seattle. i was extremely critical of the decisions mayor jenny durkan made there. but it's a little bit more complex than these are failures of positions of power, especially as kayleigh and president trump like to point out all the time, there is a vast overreach here going on where the president has often authorized and dhs sent and people in unmarked uniforms, in vans that are also unmarked, rounding up people that are, in a lot of cases, peacefully protesting. yes, there was looting, but we

need to look at the images of the weekend, for instance, mothers against police brutality, standing linking arms to protect. all my protesters from these people in military gear with tanks behind them in portland. you look at that and you say, "this president is wildly out of touch with what's going on in america today." i would say if he wants to run a campaign on la and order, he should look at the numbers. only 1% say crime is number one issue to them, and biden actually leads by 49-42%. the administration is out of touch here. it doesn't mean there aren't things wrong, but it is a vast overreach. >> harris: all right, mollie? >> mollie: i actually do have a mother-in-law from portland, and she is an oregonian who is absolutely horrified by the violence in portland. it's true that the mayor there seems to think that he can declare a rule of law free zone, but there are important federal functions that take place in portland and other cities, as well. one thing, as ari pointed out,

if minneapolis allows their own precinct to fall. there is the marco hatfield federal courthouse in downtown portland. that's the role the federal government has to play, and protecting federal poverty, federal personnel, and frankly restoring rule of law is constitutional obligation, not a threat. it's something the vast majority of americans are horrified by looking at, yes, what's happening in democratic cities and democratic have-run states not preserving the rights of american citizens. >> harris: you know, gillian, last night i interviewed deputy secretary of dhs ken cuccinelli. i filled in for martha maccallum, my honor to do that for my friend. he told me detail about the identifying process. you heard jessica talking previously about how these federal agents -- forgive me if i don't get exactly what you said right, jessica, but what i heard you say is they show up in these unidentified vehicles and you can't tell who they are. well, the deputy secretary,

gillian, told me that is simply untrue in terms of them identifying themselves. he talked in detail about the markings on them, about specific numbers, not a lesso less incomh is something alexander acosta alexander acosta court has asked for, but an identifying number that is very specific if you want to try and find that individual. they are pulling someone into custody, whatever word you want to use with that, the person of interest over whatever it is, that they want to identify themselves that person, not the way to perimeter people standing by. i want to get out into the conversation is that your topline thoughts, gillian. >> gillian: harris, great interview last night. i touched based about the interview with a few republican sources this morning who told me that, from a political perspective, this is a fairly interesting development. they are increasingly inclined to believe that, publicly, president trump has very little to gain from speaking out and getting involved in these

mayor's decisions to allow violence, looting, and writing to continue in some of the country's major cities. they say the problem is that he doesn't have authority to quell the violence. at the end of the day, if things continue to go pear shaped, he is going to get the blame for this when he doesn't really have full authority. bill mcgurn made a strong point, of "the wall street journal," on our air this morning. he cited the pottery barn rule. "you break it, you buy it." why would he have to risk paying the political price for this violence when he can sit back, send in law enforcement behind the scenes, and allow things to play out? >> harris: as a woman who spends an inordinate amount of time shopping online at pottery barn, i should be able to answer that question. [laughter] i'm being facetious. let's go to mayor ted wheeler, who is continuing in portland. watch this.

>> we didn't ask for these troops in these cities, we don't want this trip in our cities the tactics they are using are very un-american. everyone should pay punched in the, they are coming to our city, they are in unmarked vans, they pull people off the streets, they don't necessarily have probable cause, and they don't actually identify who they are to the people they are pulling into the vans. there are some really serious constitutional issues here. >> harris: wow, it sounds like jessica tarlov may have been watching some of that interview, because that's almost word for word what you were talking about. jessica, now that we've gotten on the record from the deputy secretary of dhs, when these individuals identify themselves, does that change the scope? it sounds like what ted wheeler is saying, they don't want them there because they don't know exactly who they are. well, that's easy to figure out now if you stand one still across from the other. you, me, that individual, in that garb with those logos and that identifying number and everything else. it's not just a generic police

as some people have said. if that's the only problem, let's take some pictures. let's show them how they are marked and let's roll on now and get the streets cleaned up. it's that's all that necessary? >> jessica: i don't think that's all that's necessary, i would love body cams to be use as they should be on all our police officers and make sure we do know, if it's a number that identifies them, that they make it clear what they are arresting someone for and we know exactly who they are. i don't think it solves the problem and i'm really thankful for the insight gillian provided from republicans that are openly concerned, or at least enough to talk to a reporter, about the fact that president trump is making this the centerpiece of the conversation right now. it is an overreach. republicans and democrats are saying that. mayor whaley brought up the issue of the constitutionality of this. when i see "small government republicans" backing up a president saying, "i'm going to go into cities all over this country, roll in there and round up these protesters," we saw how

that worked out for him in lafayette park when he had people tear guessing people, it's not going to work. it is un-american. >> harris: i just want to hit pause real quickly so we can get ari in there. he said republicans, and you have worked in the white house as press secretary. now we're getting into not just messaging, which is your lane, ari, so much, but your expertise in knowing, looking at the strategy of things in the polling and knowing what really works for a president. >> ari: i make a to sink in between protecting federal facilities, as mollie pointed out. courthouses have a vital position in people's everyday lives. he have to protect it for the federal police if you can protect it through the local police. there's a distinction between going to neighborhoods on the southside of chicago where crime is rampant in the federal government has a lot less authority to go in there and protect people from the violence. what i would do as president, president trump should give a

message to the moms in chicago, the grandmas of chicago. say, "have you had enough? if you want your children, your teenagers, your babies to be protected, call for us. tell the mayor, let the federal government come in." he and sister that pot and make clear that he and the federal government can protect those lives. but i am so sick and tired of people in positions of authority, and responsibility, including journalists, turning their backs on the poor. turning their backs on the needy, on those who are most susceptible to violence. i grew up in new york city when it was a violent place, and i was really little kid. nobody should have to go through this, and no one is doing anything to help those poor people. the president has a real opportunity to be on the side of the month or less and the grandmas. >> harris: you know, mollie, i mentioned as we were hitting the conversation started, those 49 police officers who were injured in chicago, as we go on and on, night after night, with struggle and problems. i don't hear a lot of people

talking about the police side of things. i know where this started with george floyd, even before that. we have problems in some police departments in america and we have to deal with those problems. an attack and ambush, as it's been described, on that many police officers getting injured, it is mind-blowing. >> mollie: well, this is something that's happened in cities across the country, including in lafayette square in washington, d.c., where dozens of police were injured and treated for injuries, some of them hospitalized with head injuries, and what many people in the media and other supporters of the protests claim are "peaceful protests." rule of law is the thing that binds us all together. when rule of law breaks down, it harms everybody. it harms citizens living their lives in cities across the country, and it harms police officers whose job it is to protect the citizens. i'm not hearing enough people talk about the importance of preserving rule of law and understanding that, when we have these breakdowns, as we are

seeing in cities across the country, how about that is for the health of civil society. >> harris: i just got an email from one of our cohorts here at fox news, he is a fabulous correspondent, national correspond with us, william la jeunesse. thank you, william, for watching the show. he said, "harris, nobody's talking about this. when law enforcement surges to a city, they rent cars. tactical teams, vans, that sort of thing. that's one of the reasons they don't put their exact names on the uniforms. it's called doxxing." we've seen that across social media where information will be put out on social media and it's dangerous. i just add that to the conversation, because i think it's at least worth considering, as aoc, as she is called, the congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, and others are calling for so much specificity more so than what is offered now about identification. gillian, i want to get your last thought on that real quick. >> gillian: sure. well, i spent a lot of time in the last few weeks covering the

protests here in washington at black lives matter plaza and over at the emancipation memorial two weeks ago. i saw unmarked police vehicles that were actually pretty easily identifiable at both sites. it's happening in the nation's capital. a quick .2 add onto what molly said, she's exactly right that line order is what binds us as americans, but a lot of americans, including the 15-26000000 that a been protesting since memorial day would say that the original sin, the original instance in which law and order broke down, is whn george floyd was murdered on th. just to refrain here from an alternative perspective. spew in minneapolis. we will move on. time running out for millions of unemployed americans as top white house officials in congress are meeting today to try and put together a new coronavirus relief bill. where negotiation stand, at this hour. plus, the couple who pointed

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>> in a time where we are seeing calls to defund the police, and you've got violence spinning out of control, including in st. louis where it is over 130 murders there this year, the 75% increase this july versus last july, you got a prosecutor now in kim gardner that is targeting citizens, law abiding citizens, for exercising their fundamental right of self-defense.

>> harris: missouri's attorney general going after st. louis' top prosecutor after she slapped felony charges on the couple who pointed guns at protesters who were marching outside their home. the june 28th incident became a flash point in the national debate over social justice and police brutality. the state attorney general, however, is calling it a political prosecution and promising to have the charges against mark and patricia mccloskey dismissed. in announcing those charges, prosecutor kim gardner says, "it is illegal to waive weapons in a threatening manner. that is unlawful in the city of st. louis." meanwhile, missouri governor mike parsons told hannity he would pardon the mccloskey's "without a doubt." ari, is this a second amendment issue or something different? >> ari: this all flows from the previous discussion about what happens when society starts to break down. when there is violence on the street, people get protective. they get protective of their

families, of their homes, of everything they worked a lifetime to earn, to keep paid when a mob goes by, even if theb may turn out to be peaceful, you don't know. when you watch on tv and we see the violence, we think it won't take much for her to come to me. this is why the second amendment is there, so people can have the weapons they need to protect themselves. in this specific instance, i always try to be very circumspect about weighing in on a specific criminal matter. unless your witness, you don't know all the facts, you don't know all the information. you have to have faith in the process that justice will prevail. as a general broad matter, people have a right to protect their home. >> harris: you know, i get so tempted to ask the question, because i am so curious. about what would happen if, as ari describes it, that crowd looked like others we've seen that is so violent, would we be questioning the mccloskey's right now, mollie?

>> mollie: missouri law does protect the right of its citizens to protect their own lives and property, so you have the situation where cities are not taking care of their citizens, and then persecuting and prosecuting the people who take matters into their own hands. kim gardner is pretty radical even by current democratic standards, and i think she has a primary coming up and might be trying to score political points. but this is just an inappropriate politicization of our legal apparatus, and it is something we see in cities and also that we've seen at the federal level. you shouldn't use the legal system to go after political opponents just because these people made the city of st. louis look bad, because clearly the theory of atomic city of st. louis had let law at or to break down to the point where the people felt compelled to do this. this is a group that did break down a gate to come to these people's house, and that is something i don't think has been well discussed in this

situation. >> harris: you know what i pray to we get to, gillian? a place where they can ask, "do you all mean us harm?" there's no conversation right now. if they feel they need to arm, the different conversation. she somebody in the street, people aren't even talking to each other. >> gillian: it's true. that is true, i think, all across the country. most of us reporters haven't been able to travel a whole lot in the last few months, so we are relying on touching base with sources via facetime and the like it. but everybody is feeling exactly what you just said, harris. here a point that this case has become a flash point and it's also become a political football. i would wager that is because we are in an election year. given the environment we are in right now, these kinds of charges are filed fairly regularly. it is because it's an election year, and because this incident was caught on video that it has

spiraled and ballooned to become what it is now. it is obviously complete the understandable that the good people of missouri, including the governor, as a general matter of principle, are siding with the mccloskeys and for gun rights while the good people of st. louis are on the other side of this issue. they want to punish them for brandishing weapons in public. it all comes down to politics. >> harris: let's watch with the homeowner, mark mccloskey, had to say. speak of the people that broke into my neighborhood, they are all trespassing. none of those people are arrested. none of those people are charged. the prosecutor, the circuit attorney, hesitantly decided her job as a prosecutor isn't to keep us safe from criminals but to keep the criminals say from us. it's a bizarre upside down wor world. >> harris: jessica, what do you say about what he just said? >> jessica: i say it fits exactly into the narrative that gillian just laid out for us

there, and i do understand their concern. there was a gate broken down, though as far as i know their home itself was not approached at all or defaced in any way. >> harris: that's trespassing, right? the fact that they -- we are looking at the brook and right now. >> jessica: people in positions of law enforcement and law degrees have a better idea of what's legal and what's not legal there, and whether brandishing your weapon is okay or it's not, and they let that play out in the courts, but that image of the mccloskey part left standing outside their homs with their weapons out is going to be a rallying cry on both sides of the aisle, just as gillian said. it's something president trump and his republican backers can use to animate those that vote on the second amendment. that's a huge demographic of republican voters. on the left, there are people who are going to be saying, "why do folks need to have weapons like this? you don't need this to protect

your home, certainly." and these protesters were not coming at them to attack them, they were not defiling their home in any way, et cetera. this will be a political football 100%. >> harris: do you feel -- what you said turned out to be true, and that couple was not harmed, but do you feel, in those moments, ari, that you would ask, have a conversation, "why are you here? you broke down a gate. are we safe?" i can't even believe that we don't even talk to each other in these instances. this now is on the next level. >> ari: harris, i love the spirit of that question. the answer is i'm sure there are people -- >> harris: i know, it's pollyannaish, right? >> ari: i think it would be meaningful with some people. for other people, you're a rock through a way from a right breaking out. you remember the rodney king riots in l.a., the korean grocers who gathered above their store with their weapons were seen as heroes for being the ones to protect their property

and their livelihoods and all they had spent a lifetime building up. you don't know, when in a flash this will turn from your property being destroyed, or the protesters are indeed peaceful . maybe it's marta from a weapons point of view for them to hold their weapons down facing the ground. maybe it would have been better if they didn't hold their weapons were their index finger should be. they did and do things by the book but i won't take away the sentiment of how vulnerable you feel if you think your property, your livelihood, your home can be threatened. you can't ignore the fact that this has turned into violence throughout american cities everywhere. 40 cities in america have had to have curfews, lockdowns after the george floyd murder. you can understand why feelings are fraught on the side of those who might want to protect themselves. >> harris: ari fleischer gets the last word. we'll move onto this, the treasury secretary an and white house chief of staff are

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>> harris: treasury secretary steven mnuchin and white house chief of staff mark meadows a meeting with lawmakers on capitol hill today about the next coronavirus relief package, and they plan to have lunch at senate republicans and sit down with democratic leaders nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. a big day. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has proposed a $1 trillion bill why the white house has passed a $3 trillion measure in may. here senator mcconnell earlier today. >> the american job market needs

another shot of adrenaline. we are laser focused on getting american workers their jobs back. you want another round of direct payments to help american families keep driving our national come back. >> harris: president trump says the top priority for the bill is a payroll tax cut. some republicans are more focused on liability protections for small businesses and reduced enhancements to jobless benefits. so people don't make more on unemployment than they were making when they were working. senator chuck schumer says the g.o.p. needs to unite on this. >> our message to them is let's get going. it's over 60 days since the house passed the heroes act. republicans don't even seem to have their own act together. it's hard to negotiate with the president says one thing, senate republicans say another, and many of them are divided. >> harris: well, mollie hemingway, democrats are not wrong. republicans do seem to be invited, specifically on that

tax cut. why? >> mollie: i think the only time you see as much bipartisan consensus as you've seen on this is when it comes to spending money. this is an area where republicans and democrats seem to agree. i think the more interesting areas are those things he mentioned, the liability protections and not incentivizing people not to work. those earlier stimulus packages that were passed were rushed, that was because the government had forced businesses to close. so, when the government forces you to close, it makes sense that you are going to pass these eight packages to help people survive and feed their families and stay in their houses. one of the problems with the previous one is that it incentivize people not to return to work. that's not something you want to do, particularly with a large scale package. also, this liability protection is a good idea. i'm sure you've noticed as you have stepped out to reenter the world, some businesses are asking you to release them from liability in order to do an exchange of services. that seems like a great idea.

people can decide whether they want to accept the risk without everybody being forced into a dangerous situation or what they might perceive as a dangerous situation. more than anything, the best stimulus package would simply be getting back to work. we know so much more about the coronavirus then we did back in march, and everything we've learned about it has been pretty promising. if less fatal, it's less likely to be not requiring intense hospitalization. it's still a nasty, scary virus but there's no need for everyone to be locked up in their home for the rest of their lives with what we know now. you want to decrease government spending, if you want to improve the economy, everyone just needs to be bold and take some minor risks and get moving again. >> harris: along with those businesses, gillian, the schools. this has quite a bit of money and it, actually. are republicans coming up with more than the house did for reopening schools? >> gillian: yes, schools is one of the biggest bones of contention right now in this bill. doing anything in terms of

schools, whether it's reducing classrooms, doing alternating days for students, it's going to cost an incredible amount of money. there is no less expensive, no cheap option here, harris. a quick point on what molly said in terms of getting people back into the workflow, the best way to do that is to institute the payroll tax cut. he said what he told president trump yesterday is that this is the best option for boosting employment, for opening up new opportunities for people to explore. he said pretty much at this is where president trump is headed on this. this is going to be where he stakes his claim in this bill, he's going to do everything he can to advocate for it with republicans in the senate. he said, if you think about it, in terms of individuals on a personal scale, if you are told that you can take on a new job tomorrow and pay 10% less in income taxes, it would incentivize you to go ahead and

take risks, and take that job. to me, anyway, i'm far from an economist, but just on a common sense level, it struck a chord and made a lot of sense to me. >> harris: ari, why a payroll tax cut? does that work? is the president right about that incentivizing, that gillian gave us a strategy there? >> i think he's right on the margins, yes. fundamentally, a business will hire somebody if they have a job for somebody. if there is supply and demand and therefore they have a need. but if you don't have enough as an employer to pay the employees' payroll taxes, would you have to max to match as employers, it gives you more reason to hire people. that's what we need. we need people going to work. there are two fundamental things our country is going to have to get used to going forward. we have to do it wisely. one is living with coronavirus, which we are starting to figure out even with the hot spots of florida and arizona. we have to understand this might be with us for who knows how

long until there's a vaccine. as a nation, we never get on our knees. he figure things out and we must learn to live with it. two, we've got to open up the economy. there is no solution if we keep closing everything down. people have to be wise about how we open up the economy. in the world of sports, for example, a lot of venues are starting to open with 25% attendance, even higher attendance. the french open will be open to 16%. it we have to get life back on its feet. america shuts down, we'll never be able to solve corona will be in a permanent fiscal hole. congress will always have to bail us out. we have to do both. we have to get good and wise for both. >> harris: all right. what i got from you, mollie, on capitol hill, being swamptasti swamptastic is bipartisan paid so much to get to jessica, look at you on the next round. the first covid-19 task force

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>> harris: in this news is breaking, fox news alert, the justice department has charged to cope chinese hackers targeting covid-19 research and accusing them of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars in trade secrets from companies across the world, including firms developing a coronavirus vaccine. those charges are believed to be the first accusing a foreign hackers of going after scientific innovation related to the virus. however, the u.s. and other western nations have been warning of such efforts for months now. >> gillian: meantime, president trump announcing the first coronavirus task force briefing in months this

afternoon. he announced yesterday he's going to reboot them as cases are continuing to spike across the united states in what critics are questioning his handling of the pandemic overall. the white house says the briefings are going to be short, but that the president will take questions. listen. >> he's the right person to give the information to the american people, and boy does he get the information to a lot of the american people during his briefings, as noted by the readings as he himself pointed out. >> gillian: now, democrats, of course, have a different view. here's the senate minority leader. >> president trump should not take the podium. every time president trump takes the podium at one of these briefings, he is a threat to public health. >> gillian: ari, i will come to you first since you're the master message are on these issues. where the president was questioning the health experts on whether ingesting disinfectant could potentially

help ward off the virus, with canceling the briefings after that, was that the right move and is restarting them now and even better move? >> ari: let me start with one fundamental premise. unless the president communicates effectively on corona, much of the country is going to hear anything he wants to say about either the economy or public safety. corona remains the number one issue on the minds of most american people. we've got to deal well with that first hurdle to get to the other issues. to deal with it, frankly, i don't like going to the briefing room because i think it just turns into a brawl and that doesn't help anybody. i think this administration has done so much. they have dispatch so many doctors, so many nurses to areas with staffing shortages come so many masks, so much equip me to hot spots across the country. fema, hhs, cdc, they are all doing what they should do, but the president is not giving them credit. what i would do instead of going into the briefing room, i would have the president go to warehouses where the trucks are rolling with medicines for the

hot spots. give a 15 minute speech there, see off the trucks. go where the nurses are getting redeployed. thank the nurses. but the president of the middle of the action. the action is not in the briefing room, the action is the things the immense region is actually doing throughout the countryside. the president has been the next 2-3 weeks on the road doing those events highlighting what his administration is doing to show how much he cares and that he's on top of it. >> gillian: i mean, sounds like an idea that's hard to disagree with on the surface of things. harris, i mean, you know better than anyone that the briefing at the white house is an incredibly effective way for any administration to communicate, to get out its messaging. but during this pandemic, time and time again what we have seen is that it's also a critical way for experts and officials to deliver information. they are tending to not do it unless the president is holding it at the white house. >> harris: first of all, when

i put together my designer shoe coalition and run for that, i want ari to do all my messaging, because he's a genius. [laughter] you just hit so many things on the head right there. i mean, you are just so right about how there has to be this cohesion of information. the palace intrigue is for people who have a lot of time on their hands. "is the president not getting along with dr. fauci?" and vice versa. you know what i want them to do? just tell me how to live. take me what takes me forward until a better therapeutic comes along. remdesivir is great, let's make more of it. it is less supply than we need right now. the vaccine, showing some promise, by the way. we don't report that enough, but not ready yet. could be, as ari said, quite some time away. maybe more than a year at this point. that cohesion of messages important. i called the press corps to do something, too. can you stop being so bombastic with the people at the podium? and at the lectern on the podium, i should say. there is some marketing, ari,

that's going on. like, we don't know yet if the task force will be there. kayleigh mcenany asked last hour if that's going to happen. and, "oh, i don't know." i question, is that smart? when not tell us is going on and show up at 5:00 p.m. eastern, and we'll pop our corn and be there? >> ari: i think the obvious answer to that is it wasn't at that moment, otherwise she would have answered it. >> harris: good point. >> gillian: jessica, why did it take to present nearly four months? based on my memory, whatever that's worth, april 3rd was the day the cdc recommended americans wear face masks. why has it taken him almost four months to get on board with th that? >> jessica: i think it's i think he thinks it's a sign of weakness. that's what they were hitting joe biden with. remember when he came out on memorial day to honor our veterans? and he and joe biden were wearing masks and the campaign videos are making fun of him, mocking him for following cdc

guidance. i think the president, finally someone got through to him come with it was bill steffy and her kellyanne conway going on tv saying it's not going well for the president to actually put on a mask yesterday. i expect we are going to see that more consistently since, thank god, the people who voted for him actually know that they should do wearing a mask despite the example that he has been setting. to the point about the briefings, though, i agree with ari. i guess kayleigh didn't know who is going to be there, but that should be about the public health officials and the president will up his own credibility if he stands next to dr. fauci on the stage there. but we hear from a real doctor. >> gillian: jessica, team, we've got to leave there. mollie, i owe you one, look at you later in the show. president trump still not a fan of players kneeling during the national anthem and he's continuing to make his opinion very well known. the latest on the protest and backlash, as baseball officially set to return this week. stick with us. ♪ no matter what challenges life throws at you,

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account answered back defending the move. the president treated today, "any time i witness a player kneeling during the national anthem, a sign of great disrespect for our country and our flag, the game is over for me." mollie, come to you. >> mollie: there are ways to advance social issues that don't involve denigrating the country. and here, denigrating the country is the point. colin kaepernick, the man who started this protest, when he started he said he didn't want to respect a flag for a country like ours. on independence day he said our country was racist. when you denigrate our country, you are denigrating the least racist, most wonderful country on earth, and i know that it's popular with corporations and many people in the media and p.r. firms, but i think a lot of american people wish it were more than just president trump saying we should have unifying symbols and we should love our country. >> harris: do you think this is a place where the president should jump in? mollie? >> mollie: obsolete. it is something where, again,

all elected leaders should be defending our country. we are the best country on earth. we are wonderful. we provide more opportunity for people of all races than any other country on earth, and that you see polling showing a number of americans think we are irredeemably evil and racist. that's not a good sign for the continuation of the republic. that's true whether you're a democrat, republican, liberal, or conservative. we are a great country because of our ideals and, again, advancing social change and how you, there are a variety of ways to do that. but defending our country should be the bare minimum we expected our leaders in politics and otherwise. >> harris: all right. great to see everybody today. with the last few seconds, ari, you get 15 of them. >> ari: what i would do on the national anthem, frankly, at every sporting event, invite players and any fans who want to kneel in memory of george floyd. and then, invite everybody to stand for the national anthem. separate the two. remember george floyd in honor

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