in the escape business. take it to the beach, take it to the lake and ignore covid for a little while. >> trace: that would be a good suggestion. great to see you. thank you. thank you for joining us. i'm trace gallagher and up next, his own spy novel, bill hemmer joins us. >> bill: easier said than done. nice to see you. we will see you tomorrow. here we go, good afternoon. i'm bill hemmer. president trump bringing back the coronavirus briefings as cases rise in parts of the country. he set the hold 12 hours from now according to the white house saying that briefings will be short. the president will give updates on the vaccines on the treatments. he may host them perhaps every day, but does plan to take questions that we are watching for that. but first, the battle over the trillion dollar relief package underway in washington. republican leadership wrapping up a news conference earlier today, met with the president's

chief of staff mark meadows and treasury secretary steven mnuchin. those top officials also said to meet with democratic leadership this afternoon. secretary mnuchin previously telling reporters the next one will primarily focus on kids and jobs and vaccines. a republican senator john barrasso weighs in on that in a moment. first to our congressional correspondent chad pergram who is trying to keep this all straight. chad? >> good afternoon. this is the first round of negotiations and as you say, they are having these round robins today, three total meetings here on capitol hill as they try to get this launched in the next couple of days. house speaker nancy pelosi indicates that she would like a bill to be finished by the end of next week and mitch mcconnell the senate majority leader indicates he is going to take the reins on this bill, going to write the base bill and release that in the next couple of days. however, he indicates that he needs to get republicans in the first. >> the american job market needs another shot of adrenaline. laser focused on getting

american workers their jobs back. >> republicans continue to hit this idea of jobs but it's unclear where the center of gravity lies when it comes to money for schools, also where members are with another round of direct payments to workers and an extension of unemployment benefits for those off the job. republicans want to limit the cost of $1 trillion for this bill, but even that is too much for some republicans like rand paul of kentucky. >> i find it extraordinary coming from a caucus meeting that could be the bernie bros progressive caucus. i got up $3 trillion in the last couple of months adding another trillion dollars as the most fiscally irresponsible thing i've ever heard of. >> the treasury secretary steven mnuchin said they will spend what they need to spend on this bill and that's why republicans need democratic buy-in. as they aren't irrelevant. there will be some republicans and democrats are concerned about the administration's overall approach to the pandemic

including the return of the coronavirus briefings later today. >> president trump should not take the podium. every time president trump takes the podium at one of these briefings, he is a threat to public health >> the one big ask for the president on this bill is the payroll tax cut, that is something i'm told that there is only ten to 12 senate republicans are for. keep in mind the cost of this. that could be $1 trillion right there anywhere between $600 billion to $1 trillion of deficit spending talking about $1 trillion minimum for the cost of the bill plus 600 billion to 1 trillion in terms of extra deficit bill. we are told they want to get this bill done by the end of next week. i was asked could they get it done and i was told by a senior source of course, everything around here runs up to the 11th hour. the 11th hour is the end of next week. >> bill: bernie bros, thank you. republican senator john barrasso of wyoming joins me now, good

day to you. i don't know if they are or not, but take us inside the room. how did it go? >> it was a productive meeting with the secretary of treasury as well as the chief of staff to the white house. we are united on the issues of focusing on getting people back to work, kids back to school must focusing on the health of the american people which means adequate, reliable testing with quick results coming back on treatments as well as vaccine and i'm very optimistic of what i've seen on the vaccines and then of course need to make sure there is liability protection for the mom-and-pop small businesses for our schools and we know there was already 3500 lawsuits filed about coronavir coronavirus, so we need to make sure that's included in the legislation. we need to get things going together and getting the economy moving again. >> bill: let me just jump in here on a few things, going to

spend what we need to spend. what does that mean? >> we are looking at $1 trillion, that is a huge amount of money. we know we are never going to be able to outbid the nancy pelosi and chuck schumer when it comes to spending taxpayer dollars, they are in the league of their own. we are going to do this responsibly so people can resume their normal lives in a safe way, and a sensible way. that's what i heard at home in wyoming. that's what people want. >> bill: i imagine the folks back in wyoming, it's like a trillion. some say they want to spend 3 trillion. politico earlier today, administration officials described the dynamic. the divide between nancy pelosi and senate republicans is bigger than the grand canyon while everybody is focused on unemployment insurance and state local assistance as well as additional ppp, the problem is ultimately going to be everybody adding nonrelated things to the bill. how high could that go?

>> nancy pelosi in the house already passed such a bill, over $3 trillion with the problem is you just stated in your viewers know lots of unrelated things. they want to pay people more to not work then to work. they want to make political payoffs to their friends, and they want to bail out cities and states who have a long history of irresponsible governance. those are the things that are already in the house bill. they want to send direct checks to illegal immigrants. we want to focus on the disease, on getting schools open because we know the best place for young people is in the classroom directly in person. there are costs of going and the risks but the risk of not having your kids back in school is much greater than the risk. >> bill: are you know on the bailout deal if that were a make or break moment? with that doom the next package? >> in terms of bailing out

pension plans from states or cities? saying we are deep in the hole here in no way we can climb out of this on around? >> we need to focus on the disease, the subsequent issues of helping the economy cover, not pay over what states have done a responsibly for years. i'm focused on getting people back to work, kids back to school, and our country reopened. >> bill: i have 30 seconds, 70 billion is with the white house said earlier today for schools. what do you do? $70 billion. >> most of the funding of education of course i was a member of the state legislature and most of the money comes from the state and local school districts. there are going to be costs in terms of social distancing, in terms of different barriers that need to be put up. we need to do what we can to help make sure students are in the classroom, that's where they learn, that's direct teaching and we know the cost of not having them in the classroom.

not just in terms of lost learning but also in terms of abuse that may be happening at home, in terms of suicide, mental health, all the issues of nutrition. much healthier to have the students in school. one that we will see how it goes. trillion dollars, thank you for your time today. about a month after primary day, officials still cannot declare a winner here in new york city. they say there are 65,000 mail-in ballots to count raising concerns about the election in the fall where millions of americans may vote by mail. dragging that story live in washington, good day to you. >> good day. i added a surge in mail-in voting has triggered chaos putting thousands of mail-in ballots in jeopardy. here's what happened. a federal lawsuit claims the problem started when governor cuomo signed an order meant to make mail-in voting easier by getting voters a prepaid envelope to send back their ballot in new york's primary, but the post office normally does not postmark

repaid mail. so they were thrown off and many ballots did not get stamped with the date which means there is no way to know if the ballots were mailed by election day and should be counted and the white house says this is what they are worried about playing out in november. >> for a month, they've been collecting ballots with no postmark date and what they found is 19% of ballots have been rejected in queens, 28% rejected in brooklyn. there are questions about mass mail out voting. >> right now, the u.s. post office is making major changes to deal with their $160 billion debt that mail carriers now worn could slow down mail delivery and infect wow affect voters. >> at a time the male slows down, it's harder for the postal workers to serve the customers whether it's a mail-in ballot or anything else. so again, we are absolutely opposed to any effort to slow down mail, to delay mail, and that includes obviously for the

ballots as well. >> the new postmaster general says these changes are necessary, telling mail carriers in a memo that we obtained to leave mail behind at the distribution center if it delays them getting out on their delivery route saying this in that memo. "one aspect of these changes that may be difficult for employees is that temporarily, we may see mail left behind or mail on the workroom floor." saying that they are burgeoning budgets would not be a concern for voters headed into the november saying that their financial status will not impact the status of the mail-in ballot. >> bill: something we will keep an eye on. hillary vaughn in washington, d.c. thank you. meanwhile, former vice president joe biden laying out the third plank of his economic recovery plan last hour. how does that compare to the trump agenda? we will talk to karl rove about that. plus, there's this. suspected chinese hackers charged of trying to steal covid vaccine information. details in a moment on that.

police in chicago meanwhile have released as a video showing what's being called a highly organized ambush on police. the city's former superintendent from chicago is here to talk about that life. >> peaceful demonstrations have been hijacked by organized mobs. we just don't want to believe people would act this way toward us. ifying stays and earn a free night. the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. with one protein feels like. what getting fueled with three energy packed proteins feels like. meat! cheese! and nuts! p3. because 3 is better than 1

>> bill: justice department announcing charges against two chinese hackers accused of targeting companies developing vaccines for covid-19. federal investigators say they have been stealing research from companies around the world for more than a decade including information about military satellites. the two men are said to live in china so it's unlikely beijing will turn them over. meanwhile, mike pompeo calling on nations around the world to push back on beijing accusing china of crushing fe freedom. the trump administration also slapping sanctions on chinese companies accused of helping china carry out human rights abuses weird general jack keane on that, retired four-star army general and fox news senior strategic analyst. nice to see you today and thank you for your time. what about the sanctions, what you make of that move today? >> it's absolutely the right moves and i'm glad we are starting to really focus on how

horrific that behavior is that the ccp is imposing on them, and this is to try to encourage others to do the same. the fact is that we have a huge strategic opportunity here, and i think that's why secretary pompeo is meeting with boris johnson because the opportunity is china has overplayed their hand and they were aggressive maligned behavior. president xi is the most ambitious, most aggressive, most maligned leader we've had and i think early on in the first few years, he had a free hand, militarizing the south china sea, imposed his will in the region and other places but because of the world pandemic, because of hong kong and other issues, the world is re-looking at him and the strategic assessment being made had an opportunity i think to stitch together with our partners and allies of grand strategy to deal

with china as we move forward much as we have with the soviet union post world war ii. >> bill: very interesting. what do you make of this video of a drone from october 2019 presented to the chinese ambassador in the u.k. and could not explain it with the blindfolds, mostly men, i would argue based on the video. what do you think of this? >> it shows a horrific nature of what is taken place, and there's nothing like a graphic representation to bring home to us what truly this means. this is concentration camps. we don't know an exact number, some estimates are as high as 2 million people. they call it a reeducation camp. would it really means is muslims cannot practice their religion, they are indoctrinated into the han dynasty to the supremacy of that culture and that ethnicity and even worse than that, they are forced into labor, which is what the sanctions are about.

doesn't it sound awfully familiar to something the world experienced in the 1930s? >> bill: too much. there are trains nearby. >> and now, what's coming to light, things are intelligent service is new, they are for sterilizing them and forcing them to have abortions. so how horrific is that, and what does that really mean? it means they are extinguishing them over time. they want them to go away. much as the nazis were doing because they didn't fit their image of what humans should be like, and that is what this horrific behavior of the chinese communist party is and people have got to come to grips with the seriousness of it, and the tragedy of it. i applaud this administration for stepping forward. we can't push back by ourselves, we need the world to come along

with us. >> bill: strong speeches and we will continue that. nice to see you again, jack keane, thank you for being here. a plea for airline passengers as bookings take a dip. we'll talk to the president of the flight attendant's association who says everyone should be packing a mask. and a st. louis couple facing criminal charges for pointing guns at protesters who broke through an iron gate and piled into their yard. we will ask karl rove about that and more. >> the people that broke into my neighborhood, they are all trespassing. none of those people were arrested, none of those people are charged. the prosecutor has apparently decided that her job as a prosecutor isn't to keep us safe from criminals, but to keep the criminal say from us.

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>> this is private property, so the charges being brought here amount to nothing more than a political prosecution at this point because it's important to take a step back and understand self-defense is a fundamental right in this country. >> bill: that is missouri's attorney general earlier today trying to dismiss charges against a couple from st. louis who stood on their lawn outside their home pointing guns towards protesters. they said they were protecting their property after protesters broke through an iron gate with notepad, no trespassing and private street signs. the local prosecutor saying it's illegal to waive weapons in a threatening manner. reports for the latest on this today, learned a lot today. hello. >> a short while ago, the white house once again showed its support for this couple who said they were just protecting themselves as violent protests and looting struck the country. here's the white house press secretary a short while ago with

the president's reaction to the mccarthy's being hit with a felony. >> it is absolutely absurd what is happening to the mccloskeys. this is an extreme abuse of power and noteworthy that in many case brought to their attention violent writers she has failed to charge but instead is charging the individuals who were defending themselves from violent protesters. >> mark and patricia mccloskey are charged with felony unlawful use of a weapon. kimberly gardner writes in point it is illegal to waive weapons and a threatening manner that those participating in nonviolent protests. and while we are fortunate the situation did not escalate into deadly force, this type of conduct is unacceptable in st. louis. said she brought charges after with thorough investigation but no crime was committed. mark mccloskey said he was

advised of film protesters with his cell phone instead of taking out his guns but asked how that would help if hundreds of people broke into his home. mccloskey said his guns have been confiscated, a technicality requires the guns to be tested to determine if they could have caused bodily harm. missouri governor mike parson said he will pardon the couple if they are convicted and the couple likely does not face jail time because the prosecutor already has suggested a diversion program to avoid time in court. >> bill: matt finn, thank you for that in chicago. going to bring in karl rove, good day to you. just curious, may be in a political sense how voters see this. do they see a law and order president going back to 2016 trying to take charge with these federal agents in portland for example, or do they see a former vice president who is laying back a little bit to see how all of this plays out, what is your sense? >> first, let's take what they most obviously see and that is an overbought prosecutor who is

doing the stupid thing. here's a couple who i have not seen any footage of them pointing their weapons at people, but think about it. the prosecutor says it's wrong for you to display a weapon, to defend your home when people have broken through a fence in an iron gate, walked over trespassing signs and are in a private neighborhood walking down a private street, a large mob, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's wrong to have a display a couple of weapons in a state that has protect your home law. it's absolutely right to say that he is going to take action against her and i think the governor is absolutely right to say that the prosecutor proceeds with this, he will pardon the couple in question. that prosecutor in the city of st. louis has a lot more important things to worry about than this and should have started if you wanted to be

evenhanded, at least give points if you said i'm going to prosecute people for having broken through a fence, destroy private property and shown their disrespect for a no trespassing sign at the same time that i'm going to charge these people. at least gave her points for being fair and evenhanded. that isn't happening. >> bill: the ag suggested he would dismiss it in a couple of weeks. >> let's step back. we've got two things going on here. people who believe that protesting is -- peaceful protesting is appropriate, and that's a large majority of americans. a similarly large majority of americans believe that no violence is justified in connection with this. even if it's the violence of destroying a fence and crossing onto somebody's private property. people don't believe in that. if we focus on this particular incident, is going to be something that benefits president trump who at least gets half of that equation right. that part of the equation being the violence connected in

destruction of private property connected with these protests is not justified. but the person who was going to win this argument is the person who can couple that with indignation and outrage at what has happened to people like that poor man in minneapolis, george floyd, that we all saw on television. and neither candidate is capable apparently of hitting both those notes. a speech in florida that was not well viewed because it happened on a saturday afternoon and hasn't been repeated since, but the american people are looking for somebody who can both show empathy and draw a very strong lien against the kind of violence we are seeing in places like seattle and minneapolis and portland, particularly portland where it's been going on for 52 days. >> bill: quickly on joe biden, you saw him last hour, another speech in delaware yet again, just want to play a clip of that from him today. >> the public health crisis for all its bluster about expertise

on the economy explaining how it will actually help working families hit the hardest. he's quit on you and he's quit on this country. >> bill: i think i'm going to lose your satellite, i've got 15 seconds. just as we expected, right? covid times, after all. you can hear more from karl rove however, joins me on a brand-new podcast dropping later this week, 100 days out. how does karl rove handicap a race like we have never seen before? you can find it on the apple podcast, spotify, or fox news podcast, promise we will bring him back and get an answer as well as we heard from joe biden last hour. thank you, carl. sorry about that. the man suspected of shooting and killing of federal judge's son at their front door. what we are learning about their connection and a possible motive today. plus, video shows protesters attacking police in seattle and now in chicago. we will talk to the chicago pd's

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>> bill: the fbi has named a 72-year-old's men's rights attorney is the prime suspect in that fatal attack at a federal judge's home in new j man showed up at the judge's house dressed as a delivery man, shot and killed her son, wounded her husband. investigators say they found his body in new york state about 10e judge. they say he had a package addressed to the judge, she was home but not injured in the shooting. he had one case before but "the new york times" reports that he had at that off and said he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. a law enforcement official telling the times investigators are looking into whether or not he wanted to take out his enemies before he died. police in seattle releasing a new body cam video from over the weekend when protesters injured

a dozen officers there. [yelling] protesters throwing bottles, traffic cones, fireworks at police beat officer say this happened after they tried to remove a protester who was blocking a security camera with an umbrella. been kind of common lately. dan springer live in seattle, what happened? >> you got that right, seeing more and more of these people showing up at the protest when umbrellas would it's definitely not raining and they are serving to functions, shielding them from pepper spray and hiding them. on sunday, used his umbrella to block a pick up a camera, seattle police moved in quickly to stop them and that's when the mayhem started. police were hit with bottles of a construction cone, and a whole lot of fireworks. the project i was injured 12 officers sending two of them to the hospital for treatment. writers also alluded at least

one store among many buildings including the police precinct, the same one that was abandoned by police leading into the zone known as child. >> bill: now facing a lawsuit over a death inside the city's former top zone. what we know about that? >> that's right. a wrongful death lawsuit was filed monday against seattle and its elected officials. claims the city is responsible for the death of a 19-year-old man who was shot and then bled to death inside the chop has police and paramedics were turned away while trying to get to him to render aid. lorenzo anderson had just graduated from high school with a before he was killed. >> a most definitely doesn't. he is not that type of kid. he doesn't deserve to be dead. and he doesn't deserve for the city did not do nothing. >> seattle officials have not yet responded to that lawsuit. >> bill: dan springer watching all of that from seattle today.

>> because of these mob actions, we must protect our officers. we cannot assume that protests are going to be peaceful. >> bill: that is chicago's police superintendent after releasing a video of a violent showdown between protesters and police on friday. he said an organized mob hijacked a peaceful demonstration, injured 49 officers by throwing frozen bottles of water and rocks and fireworks for the injuries included a broken eye socket and a broken kneecap. want to bring in chicago's former police superintendent with me today and good afternoon to you. i'm fine, thank you. hope you're doing well. who are these people behind the umbrellas, who are they? >> call them what you want, could be antifa, anarchists, the bottom line is they are the radical left and peeling away the onion on these events is really important and if you think about it, people have a

right to be upset or concerned about racial inequality in this country and certainly the incident with george floyd and a lot of the other incidents that we have seen on video with the police. protesting racial equality and in a peaceful fashion, i said this that we should defend their first amendment right, but be intolerant of criminal behavior. these are well organized individuals across the country who are waiting for a spark like this to happen and coming here from places and going to other places, delaware locking up people from the state of washington. you want to protest in the state of washington, you go to seattle, go to portland, oregon, california, you don't go to wilmington, delaware. so it's very clear what's happening here and like david brown says, you just can't count on any protests being peaceful at this point and i just want to add one other thing.

i think it's important the language that we use and just talking about rioting and looting and those of the right words to use but let's not call it fireworks. let's call it explosives, which is what it is. you have officers getting the tar beat out of them and 63 people getting shot in the city of chicago and 12 getting murdered and the lead story is 20 complaints filed against officers based on call it a riot. >> bill: you mention some of the numbers over the weekend, 12 dead, 63 victim shot, 41 different shooting incidents. it's every weekend. and it's been every weekend or every day for ten years. >> i had the luxury of running new york's prime strategy for seven years, was very much involved in the turnaround, and

the fact is, new york didn't get to a place where it was because they were slipping backwards dramatically and fast overnight. took 20 years, and the progress that we made in 2013 and 2014 using that exact same playbook got us 250 year lows here in the city of chicago as far as the murder rate is concerned. then the politics of chicago took over, policies being dictated by politics, and here we are. in the four years since i was fired, 635 more murders compared to the previous four years. that's just insane. >> bill: the president suggested sending federal agents to other cities, not just portland, maybe chicago. here mayer has great concerns about that. is that necessary? >> if i understand it, the federal protective services has been protecting federal properties, the acting homeland

security director today talking about the fact that those individuals would be sent to protect federal property. that's all well and good. i don't have an issue with that at all. but what i saw on video in portland, people in camouflage with rifles on the front line. i set about the michael brown incident in ferguson, the police can turn a protest into a riot and confrontation begets confrontation. yet you have to be ready for the confrontation, but you don't come out in a confrontational fashion. i don't think those tactics are good tactics. i hope those individuals as they are being sent to chicago are going to be controlled working with the chicago police department. >> bill: thank you for your time. we will speak again. i'll let you take that call. thank you, good luck to you. be well. in chicago.

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>> bill: asking a judge to scale back a gag order in the face of officers charged in the

death of george floyd george floyd, violates free speech but saying it could hurt a defendant's right to a fair trial. a spark nationwide protests across the country, all four former officers face felony charges. has covid-19 cases continue to spike in parts of the country, fewer people may be taking to the skies. our next guest says the feds should make it mandatory for those who fly to wear a mask. want to bring in sarah nelson, international president of the association of flight attendants and welcome to our program here. good afternoon. make your case. >> absolutely. the problem here is people are concerned about the virus and as the virus have spiked, we have seen flying fall off because people are concerned that in a confined space for you cannot properly socially distance that the risk of spreading coronavirus increases. there are plenty of studies that show that the number one way to help stop the spread of

coronavirus it's for everyone to wear a mask, but it does take everyone doing it. so in aviation, we have to have this overall and have to do uncomfortable things to get on plane safely and this is just another one. that's why it needs to be mandated. >> bill: i think i've flown once during covid times, just the way the world is right now. was delta. 60% capacity, wasn't even at 60%, no middle seats were taken, everybody wore a mask. it wasn't terribly uncomfortable, but didn't mind it either and to be honest with you, i felt okay the entire time. before the flight, during the flight, and after. >> it can be very controlled in aviation and we are very used to dealing with epidemics and stopping the spread of epidemics. so we can be quite controlled and do that and do our part in stopping the spread. the problem is, its community

spread and people are concerned about traveling in the booking is on airlines have climbed back to just barely 20% of what they were a year ago which is why we are very concerned about our jobs and very supportive of the program that was put in place in a bipartisan fashion in march and the cares act that continues our payroll support and keeps aviation workers in their jobs even if not everybody on the job as much as before. >> bill: but looking for a federal mandate, that's your asked today, correct? >> we are looking for an extension of the payroll support system that will keep it intact until we can ride through this, look at the virus contained, and get everybody back. >> bill: what about those who argue i'm making my own decision? i'm making my own decisions for myself and my family? >> in aviation, you don't get to do that. you don't get to bring your gone through security or knives or bring anything that's dangerous, have to buckle your seat belt, but your tray table up and everybody has to has to do certain things to do this magical thing that happens when

we get up in the air together. so these are just the rules were safety and the fact of the matter is there is almost no other industry that relies more on people being able to take safety for granted. people don't trust they are going to be safe flying a plane, they are not going to buy a ticket. so we know safety and security directly relates to economic security. >> bill: how long do you think it's going to take us to get back to where we were? >> i am hopeful that we are going to get this vaccine and we are going to make it readily available and get back there, but this is why we are asking for an extension. protection for our jobs runs out on october 1st so we are asking for an extension until march 31st. we think that will get us through this time, keep the airlines intact, the backbone of the entire u.s. economy, connect all these communities with goods and services, and so keeping that intact will allow us to bounce back faster too, and we are very hopeful that that can

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♪ >> college is trying to do with the fall for high school graduates with the economy and the upcoming semester on shaky ground. looking to get jobs right away. he has a look at some high-paying opportunities. for people who skip a degree, what did you find, jerry? >> well, mr. bill hemmer,

interesting story here. these high school seniors, they are trying to figure out whether to degree or not to degree. it will be very different this time around. we spoke to giant hor. he decided not to go. >> i have so many friends from high school and even from middle school who went to college because that's what they felt they needed to do, i guess. >> but he, now 19, didn't follow that path, getting a ged, starting his own business, a bakery, and so far, it's working. he can't keep up with demand. >> the thing that i found is that something that i love to do and i can do every day and i can get really good at. and i have found that in high school. i just decided i was going to pursue it. >> as universities move instruction online, more students are asking what sorts of jobs they can get without an undergrad degree. >> the good news is there are a tremendous amount of

opportunities for people that do not have a college degree. not only in the traditional training jobs like conductio co, electrical workers, plumbing, carpentry, but you also see it in health care. >> and you don't have to settle. making six figures is not uncommon. they make roughly $100,000 a year even though jobless rates are typically higher for those without the degree. >> well, to be sure college grads make more than those without the degree, 30,000 a year as a matter of fact, the factor in this, the cost of carrying that college debt, $400 a month on average plus what economists call the opportunity of being out of the labor force for four years. think about it. that extra money you think you are going to get with your degree may not be as much as you expect it. bill. >> bill: how about the tuition

fee for a classroom never happens. think they get by with that? i ask you. >> [laughs] >> bill: nice to see you. we will see you soon. thank you. so, the nfl is trying to get the season started on time. the league offering to cancel all preseason games in the latest back-and-forth with the e players union. they have agreed on some safety measures including daily coronavirus testing, at least during training camp. rookies reporting for duty today. preseason might be zero. a special appointment in d.c. in addition to his duties throughout the pandemic. a delayed major league baseball season thursday. the reigning world season champs, the washington nationals host the new york yankees on thursday night. he is a self-proclaimed fan of the nats.

he calls him a true champion for our country. we will see that season get underway on thursday. welcome back. they've almost done it. monday through friday 3:00 eastern time. set your ddr. never miss the report. in the meantime, dave is in for neil right now. >> dave: and fox on top of two briefings about to go down. one on the escalating violence in portland. secretary chad wolf is going to be provided an update on that. the other on the coronavirus. president trump will be leading a news conference on where things stand right now as cases ramp up. welcome everybody. i'm david as men in for neil cavuto. and this is "your world." we've got fox team coverage with john roberts at the white house and dan springer following the violence in portland and seattle. let us begin with john. big day there, john. >> there is never a dull moment here at the trump white house.