when they started pumping in the fan noise, it made it better. it was more real. what do you think about the virtual fans? >> john: i think it's great. i was amazed when they put the 10-yard marker on the football field. amazing. how about that first pitch? that was amazing. >> melissa: amazing. >> john: "outnumbered" starts now. great to see you, melissa. we'll see you again. have a great day. >> melissa: you, too. the weekend >> harris: chicagomayor lori lia controversial move as protesters rally outside her own home last. they were demanding that she defund the police just one day after her call with president trump about his plans to send in federal agents to help fight chicago's crime. the mayor ordered removal of the christopher columbus statue in grant park in the middle of the night, week after protest violence they are hurt 49 police

officers. one of those policeman with a broken eye socket. in portland, oregon, another hotbed for all of this that we've been watching c.o.b. protests outside the federal courthouse got chaotic for yet another night. look at this. police say they were hit with large projectiles and flashed with lasers before they used tear gas and rubber bullets to break up the crowd. no federal agents reportedly have begun arriving in seattle to be on standby ahead of protests planned for this weekend. president trump has reminded local leaders the administration is ready to do. >> we want to help the cities, we want to help chicago, we want to help all of them. we will go into any of the cities. we will put in 50,000, 60,000 people that really know what they're doing. they are strong, they are tough.

we can solve these problems so fast. as you know, we have to be invited in. >> harris: this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. most of kennedy on fox business, kennedy. executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us in the center virtual couch seat, a host of "the guy benson show" on fox news radio and fox news contributor, guy benson. good to see everybody on this fine friday. guy, it is now almost 60 days. we are inching our way toward yet another date milestone on the calendar with all of this. where do you put it now that federal agents have begun arriving in places like seattle? >> guy: seattle was a mess weeks ago with the c.h.o.p. portland has been a mess now for two consecutive months with a lot of violence, basically every single night in that city. it's interesting to see a lot of

the media framing of this issue. i'm open to debates about the scope of federal officers and their mandate, what they are allowed to do and some of these places. it's clear they have the right and the duty, frankly, do defend federal property. but it looks like so much of the coverage on the outrage, certainly from elected democrats, is directed at the people trying to restore law and order. not the violent agitators trying to set things on fire, including the federal courthouse, and throwing things at police both local and federal. that seems like a very misplaced set of priorities, and i think it is frustrating to a lot of us watching this stuff play out. >> harris: you know it's really interesting about that? what you're talking about, it's aimed at the very people trying to almost capitulate at times the people in the streets. lori lightfoot, there have chicago, outside her home. we saw this also with the portland mayor. what are we supposed to make of that? you can take down statues, you

can defund the police in new york city by a billion dollars, and still they come. most of them peaceful. kennedy, this is about satiating the street, and i don't know at this point if that's possible. >> kennedy: no, it's like a zombie who gets his first taste of brains. he doesn't go, "yeah, that was pretty good. you know what? i'm going to go back to vegan." no, you know what they want? they want more brains. once at you, they want 15 strategies. she said there was no way to reconcile the problems of our past, which was to try and whitewash history and pretend things never happened. i tend to agree with her there, but she capitulates. she capitulates to the mob. what's next? they have a taste for it, they know how to push her buttons. the city is falling apart. same with ted wheeler. a friend of mine from portland said if you passed ted wheeler, as the mayor of portland on

"portlandia," no one would believe it. he is gone too far. they've lost control of the ci city. i don't like the idea of federal agents in there. they are lovely people and working very hard. having said that, it's a very slippery slope. once you go down that path, it's hard to put the horse back in the barn. and i love barns. so, "push her buttons." when you say that in terms of the mayor of chicago, dagen, when people show up outside your house and they are angry, i am not saying that they were anything other than peaceful but they are not happy. and they are at your home now. that seems to change things. ted wheeler was heckled by a crowd that he actually had showed up at, with the protesters, demonstrators, those people on the street. this is different. i know she's got security and all of that, but how much of a calculation does not get factored in for the mayor of a

city? "okay, they're at my house now." >> dagen: i'm going to put it on the people who are terrorizing the mayor of chicago, and the people who are more upset about a statue of an ancient italian dude then children being murdered in that city. i called this asymmetric outrage, where people's anger is completely and utterly misplaced. i sent yesterday, what if what is happening in chicago starts to work? what i'm talking about our 200 federal agents that have been sent into the city, those federal agents to help rein in the out-of-control violence in the city. as andy mccarthy points out on a story on foxnews.com, this is an existing federal-state partnership with contributing federal agents to try and stop -- these additional agents are there because violence is rising in that city.

what are they going to be able to do? maybe atf can special ballistic technology to connect and solve shootings, and charge murders at the federal level where these criminals wer will be put away r even longer periods of time. politics needs to be put aside and we have to make sure these children see adulthood. whether it's in chicago or these other cities. >> harris: atlanta, so many other cities. >> dagen: new york. >> harris: right, exactly. marie, it's interesting, because you have mayors and others who have been very critical of president trump. you know, in some ways, mocking this idea of "law & order." when they have it, they said in their own cities and their own streets. now mayor lightfoot of chicago has the conversation with president trump, in come the federal officers, and we will see how that will play out. it is this work, is this maybe a

sign that other mayors, particularly democratic ones -- you and i don't have to go back and forth again -- but if it works, would they be more amenable to actually working with president trump? because he wants to get something done, clearly. >> marie: harris, i think two things can be true. it is true that, in many of these places, there are violent protesters. it's a small minority, to be sure, but to guy's first point, federal officers can protect federal buildings if they are being attacked. it's also true many people are concerned about overreach by these law-enforcement officials. yesterday we had a judge rule in portland that these federal officials could not continue targeting journalists, targeting reporters. they had evidence that they had been, and that those reporters and journalists needed to be able to cover the protests. so, there is a question about what the right line is, what federal overreach looks like. conservatives, for years, have railed against the federal government coming into their

cities and states, and suddenly a republican president is going further than anyone else has in decades in terms of federal involvement in state and local activities. >> harris: well, because he has to, in some regards. can we talk about necessity? the appropriateness, guy, is sometimes informed by necessity of the moment. right? chicago was dangerous before in the category of murder. that didn't just happen in the summer of 2020. we have seen in past years -- >> guy: decades. >> harris: dozens of people shot and killed on weekends across those summer months. and other parts of the year, but particularly that time of the year. so, the appropriateness then of bringing in federal authorities the way dagen describes that might have been there if they could help solve some crimes, through the atf and others. now it's a necessity because it is such a big problem.

>> guy: i think we are talking about multiple different issues. crime in chicago has nothing to do with writing, and rioting in chicago and other places, and we are talking about peaceful versus nonpeaceful protests in other cities, as well. there's different potential roles for the federal government to partner with state and local officials to bring down, let's say, gang violence where it might be more controversial to have federal officers dealing just with the riots. because people might say, "hey, that's the local or state people's job," but they're doing a lousy job of it. part of the reason the feds even thinking about being in some of these places is because there's building on fire and violence every single night. the local officials are failing in their job. let me make one other quick point about chicago. i am concerned about appeasement. this goes back to what kennedy said. mayor lightfoot at first defended the statue, saying, "let's not erase history, we need to do things in orderly fashion." a week ago you had dozens of

cops in that city hurt, injured by these writers, an rioters. now she is currently taking it down. that is incentivizing more of this. if you have enough cops in chicago, we will do what you want and there is no principle to this that i can see. >> harris: i want to get to a couple things. might even do them back-to-back. let's start with attorney general barr on the main cause of death for young black men in america. he's making news and stirring things up a bit with this. let's watch. >> the principal danger to the lives of our inner-city communities is violent crime. the leading cause of death for young black males is homicide. each year, approximately 7500 black americans are the victims of homicide. every one of those lives matter.

>> harris: when you hear the attorney general say that, it's one thing. kennedy, when you hear the grandfather of 8-year-old secoriea turner, who was gunned down as her mom was driving her to wendy's, where rayshard brooks was killed, and there were a lot of demonstrators there. her child was shot at and killed in that vehicle. you hear them call for her, "well, if black lives matter, why not hers cannot" you hear it from mayors and others across the country. that's quite a different thing, but it's the same words. >> kennedy: that's absolutely true. we have to look at ourselves and our communities and really ask ourselves, how have we lost the grasp on the value of human li life? it's not only people who are killing each other indiscriminately. when 13 people are shot outside a funeral home, it is also the ease with which people destroy property and try and harm law enforcement. we have to ask ourselves, how

far is too far, and how do we get back to the basic values of human life and existing together, finding common ground in a civil society? you see this as a thread throughout the show, people are trying to tear us apart. they are trying to tear us apart by class, by race, and so many other of our immutable characteristics. we have to value life and our common cause. >> dagen: can either add really quickly something my mother always told me? she said, "it's okay to be angry, but be angry about the right things that change things." this is where we are, people are angry about politicians and not death and destruction and murd murder. >> harris: all right, we'll stop there. president trump has announced the cancellation of the republican convention in jacksonville, florida, next month. that leg of the convention.

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>> this afternoon my political team came to me and laid out our plans for the convention in jacksonville, florida, but i looked at my team and i said, "the timing of this event is not right. it's just not right with what's happened recently." the flareup in florida, to have a big convention is not the right time. it's really something that, for me, i have to protect the american people. >> harris: the president said delegates will still meet in north carolina as originally planned, and if he still plans to give a speech suggesting the nomination, he suggested a bit online. democrats last month announced their convention in milwaukee, wisconsin, would almost entirely virtual. while joe biden plans to accept the nomination they are, the party has not released details on his acceptance speech. so, i come to you on this. is this a reset on this issue

with the president of the united states? >> dagen: it just makes sense at this point and it certainly follows how he has been talking about the virus in recent days. i just want to point out, this is going to make the three debates between joe biden and donald trump that much more important. because people will be turning to those debates maybe instead of the conventions. more than 33 million people watched hillary clinton accept the nomination four years ago, and it was close to 35 million for now president trump. those three debates, remember what happened? people go back to the jimmy carter, ronald reagan, the debate they had about a week before the election where reagan was down three points among likely voters, and then turned around to a three-point lead after the debate won the election by ten percentage points. it's possible these debates become that much more critical. but i can tell you one thing,

it's going to be popcorn time when they are debating one another. >> harris: [laughs] guy? >> guy: i think the president came out and just ripped off the band-aid yesterday. some people were shocked by that, but i think it's inevitable. it was the right decision, let me say that. but i've been having people on my radio show, party officials, former party chairman in women, on the show. i've asked them, they moved the whole thing, the party come of the theatrics, from one state to another with just months to spare. under normal circumstances, that has to be very heavy logistical lift. then you have these questions about the virus and what florida will look like. even a few weeks ago, for now, i think something level off. let's hope that's the case. but i got no answers. "that's really challenging, not sure how you do x, y, or z." we are trying to plan how to cover it. whenever i asked the question, "what would the deal be for covering this in jacksonville?" there be crickets, saying they get back to us, that there'd be

another phone call about that. eventually just run out of runway here. i think the president made the right call. it's sort of like no alternative at this stage. >> harris: you know, it's interesting. when you look at recent polling, foxes and others, the number one topic people are most engaged in in terms of their lives right now, potential in november, is coronavirus and the response to coronavirus by local, state, and national officials all the way to the white house. that has been somewhat of a punching bag, that joe biden could kind of hit. because the president was slipping in areas where people weren't as shorted up by how they felt when the president talked about coronavirus. now, to guy's point, if things start to change, and comment to dagen's point, they meet one-on-one with the expectation of a different type of response along with the respect for -- well, maybe we do more stuff

virtual now until we get our hands around this. marie, what does that mean for joe biden? you've taken away a pillar of what was potentially successful for him. he has got less law and order and less economy for those things people say are important. i haven't seen polling where he does well in either of those compared to president trump. >> marie: all the polling we've seen has vice president biden very far ahead of president trump. if a democrat i know is pretending joe biden is running ten points behind, because we are so nervous about this election. i think president trump decided to cancel a convention because he is scared no one would show up, and he has been told it could be a public health disaster. we saw what happened until someone there was a very small crowd compared to what they had promised, how angry the president was. you'd on the issues, we've seen in the fox news poll and, who is better equipped to handle coronavirus? who is better equipped to handle racial issues? the issues on the top of people's minds right now?

in almost every poll in every swing state, joe biden is beating the donald trump. on the economy, it depends on the state and on the polls. president trump and his advisors are worried about this, and they are worried about the image. hopefully -- >> harris: and i'm asking you, are you concerned if things start to change based on the person with the biggest bully pulpit? and that's the president of the united states. yes or no? >> marie: well, i don't know what you mean by "things start to change." yes, the levels of infections are plateauing in states like texas and florida, but they are plateauing at astronomically high levels. unless president trump -- look, i hope president trump changes course. i hope he invests in testing. i hope he invests in tracing. i hope he gets the support they need. for public health reasons. i see no indication president trump fully understands what he's facing with coronavirus. from his comments to chris wallace and others.

>> harris: well, have you been watching the news conferences and the comments? all of it kind of pulls together. we will cover it as it happens. meanwhile, the president keep stressing the importance of schools reopening this fall despite the surgeons of the virus. the cdc rolled out new guidelines that include moving classes outside when possible, developing plans for students and staff to get ill, and practicing good hygiene. dr. robert redfield says, "it is critically important for a public health at schools open this fall," "we will help make focus decisions as the school year begins. school closures have disrupted normal ways of life for children and parents, and they have had negative health consequences on our youth. the cdc is prepared to work with k-12 schools to safely reopen with protecting the most vulnerable." kennedy? >> kennedy: yes, the american academy of pediatrics has

suggested that children go back and physically attend school in the fall. it's a local issue. it does go state-by-state. it depends how the coronavirus is affecting your community and the population there. but, i will tell you this -- if kids go back to school, the economy will rebound. that's why the president is pushing so hard for it. if kids are in school, their parents can get back to work. it will have a cascading effect throughout the economy. there are ways of doing it safely, but, importantly -- and we will talk about this a little later in the show -- it's getting parents and students a good rethink on our public education system in this country, and there may be some very good long-term benefits that we'll talk about later. as a mom, and, like you, i have students in school, i want them to at least attend part time. because they really will start

to lose some of the gains they've made so far, and it's not a sustainable model for most parents and students. >> harris: guy, your thoughts on it? >> guy: i was just looking at some polling on this, which i think is really fascinating, and also underscores the complexity of this moment. most parents right now are reluctant to send their kids back to school full-time. a lot of parents are all for it, some are not. even more parents are worried about the delays or the stunting of academic growth of their kids if they don't go back to school. i think there's a lot of skepticism about distance learning, virtual learning, online learning. you have these crosscurrents, even among parents right now, where they see wanting their kids back to work and back to school for all the various reasons that are relatively obvious, but they're not fully convinced it's safe yet. i think that's where districts and states and even, to some extent, the federal government can try and help reassure people

that they will do it in the smart way and a safe way. because i think it has to be one of the top priorities in this country, getting kids back to school with flexibility and nimbleness. >> harris: well, and some of the things we are doing in new jersey, outside of the virtual town halls that kennedy and i'm sure other parents are experiencing. you can dial and take part in those if you want. they are sending out these forms for you to fill out, and they are very simplistic about what makes you feel safe, comfortable with your child, so on and so forth. they are trying to really gather, and they started this in june. they have time all the way up to september to get an idea what that could look like. all right, we'll move on. president trump is calling joe biden a "puppet of the far left." what the president told sean hannity last night about it, and how that message is playing with key swing state voters, next. ♪ ♪

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>> dagen: president trump ripping joe biden last night, accusing the percentage of democratic nominee of being a puppet for the bernie sanders wing of the party. he attacked biden's record during the obama administration. take a listen. >> i think he's afraid of the people on his left. i think that these are very radicalized people. i mean, he has gone so far -- he has given bernie everything. bernie can't even believe it. today i saw president obama with him. remember this, i wouldn't be there if it weren't for those two. if they did a good job. i'm in the white house because of them. >> dagen: marie, again, some people have called that biden-bernie -- they called that a manifesto of far left policies that they've put out. and it's not middle-of-the-road. >> marie: donald trump has had a little bit of a challenge defining joe biden, in a way that he didn't have a challenge with hillary clinton. love her or hate her, hillary clinton was very able to

beat caricatured by president trump. "lock her up," "crooked hillary." i hated when he said them, and they were very effective on the campaign trail. watching the tulsa rally, president trump really can't figure out how to define joe biden. joe biden is not a radical leftist. he's a moderate. he may not be someone that conservative necessarily level's policies, but he's not from the far left wing of the party. will be interesting is how much president trump is grasping for how to define biden. he has focused much more on the speech is against aoc will describe, because the biden is doing isn't landing. he's still beating him across the board. as not having the same residence it did in 2016, dagen. >> dagen: guy, i'll give marie that. he's hard to pin down, biden has become hard to attack. but why not attack him on some of his policies? his climate change policy, where the plan calls for closing every

natural gas and coal fired power plant in 15 years. we get 60% of our electricity from that. you want to pay 60% higher electricity rates like california or, even worse, something like germany, have at it. but this isn't really a policy-based fight between these two. >> guy: right, he has lurched left, biden has, on other issu issues. he is significantly off to the left from where he was even a few years ago. that is true. but i think marie also has a point here. when you see what the president is saying about biden, a puppet for the far left, that's more of a bank shot then going straight at hillary the way the president did four years ago very successfully. to make the argument, i think it's pretty compelling argument that joe biden is running a campaign from his basement and mike to govern effectively from the virtual basement and let left-wing people around them because a lot of the shots. lefties in congress will sign anything they passed to him.

that's a hard argument to make to really land with people than going directly at the candidate him or herself. that is something the trump campaign needs to figure out pretty quickly. china going after the weakness on china might be part of the strategy, but it is a challenge. >> dagen: kennedy, if you're worried about joe biden's sharpness and his age, then it does make sense to attack the people who are feeding and policy ideas or who would be, not only as vice president, but in his cabinet. >> kennedy: marie is right about two things. at one, i think joe biden is much more moderate than bernie sanders or elizabeth warren or some of the other stronger candidates who feel like they should be the nominee because they know that joe biden is baby lotion soft. hillary clinton was a very unlikable person. she was an incredibly unlikable nominee, and she was much easier to go after and the president did. it was more effective. what should if don might give

everyone pause, if he's a moderate, why isn't he fighting for moderate stances and ideals here? why is he selling out his party platform to the foaming leftists who really want the state to take control of everything? they have a dim view of human nature. they think the worst of people and they think the government should think and act for people because they are dumb and bad. >> dagen: i can answer that, harris, really quickly. i will toss it to you. it's because this virus and the way we are fighting this pandemic has led to an era of big government that will not end in, certainly, my lifetime. with a $5 trillion annual budget deficit this year, we have a much larger social safety net. we are monetizing the debt, meaning the federal reserve is basically buying up the national debt. just like bernie sanders' campaign wanted. we are never getting out of this. >> harris: look, that's true in any regard. it doesn't matter what party you are in. first we have the swamp, now

we've got something even deeper out of necessity. an invisible enemy has decided to drain everything we've got. but we are america. we know how to fight our way out of this. i do want to mention this, though. president trump has had a hard time defining joe biden. i think joe biden is having a hard time defining joe biden. remember in may of last year, when everyone was still in the pool? elizabeth warren and others progresses. remember when he had that crowd around him and he said, "i have the most progressive record of anybody running, anybody who would run!" well, you can't run from that very easily. the far left doesn't have to probably pull too hard, because that's how he saw himself. then he was more moderate. i've been asking all along, who is joe biden? i want to ask him. we've extended the invitation at 1:00 eastern, weekdays. i want to ask him, "who are you for the policies pulling you far left? argue that person on the campaign trail who said you have

the most progressive record, or somebody wants to reach across the aisle and meet people in the middle?" i'm curious. i'm very curious. really, what choice does he have? because i don't know that he can go further -- or, farther -- and win without those progressives like bernie sanders. he's going to need those votes. >> dagen: his problem is he defined himself, and still does, as president obama's number two. "the new york times" may once again raise eyebrows with a new podcast on why public schools are failing, and who it suggests may be to blame. >> i think you can't understand what's broken if you don't work here. one of the most powerful forces shaping public education, white parents. ♪ ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i should get a quote. do it. only pay for what you need.

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>> kennedy: "the new york times" already getting backlash from

conservative critics over a limited series podcast. they are about to launch, it's called "nice white parents," which would suggest they may be to blame for failing public schools. as the times quotes, "when we look at how our schools are failing, we usually focus on who they are failing, black and brown kids. we ask, why are they performing better? where they are achieving more? those are not the right questions. if you want to understand what's wrong with our public education system, you have to look at what is arguably the most powerful force in our schools -- white parents." harris, why does everything have to be a race war? we talked about it earlier in the show. this really upsets me. >> harris: you know, when it comes to accountability and making things work for all of our kids, what i sometimes will see is, when there is a lack of creativity and innovation and ideas, they will be a collision of what divides us. i would argue that that's exactly what this is. i would challenge the person,

the people who have said that, to take a look at our children as human beings. you know what? it matters how all of us are experiencing. i talk about this all the time, kennedy, our girls are similar ages. their experiences are very similar. and we are obviously racially different, and we live in different parts of the area, very different. public versus private, whatever. i just challenge these people who it's up to them to come up with ideas. they have to look at us all not for who we resemble but for our potential, but we can achieve. >> kennedy: and the things we have in common. we all want our kids to love learning. we all want our kids to succeed. we all want to keep our kids out of trouble. there is so much more that unites us as parents. it just seems like an incredibly convenient strawman to demonize. >> guy: yeah, let's not talk

about curricula, teachers unions, let's not talk about some of the endemic problems in schools. let's talk about "nice" white parents. "nice white parents" are the problem. here's what becomes personal to me. you know who has nice white parents? me, and my siblings. my parents are nice, good, white people, who instilled in us a work ethic to go out there and try to do our best, to work very hard, to persevere. a word that my father used repeatedly. all three kids went to public school in new jersey, went on the private college and beyond. i don't look at my parents as the problem. i look at my parents as having done a really good job raising kids in a complex world. when you start throwing around "nice white parents are the biggest problem in our schools," it seems laughable on its face and it's actually insulting to a lot of people. >> dagen: i listened to the introduction of the podcast -- >> harris: including black parents. >> kennedy: or a nice asian

parents. go ahead, dig in. >> dagen: i listened to the introduction of the podcast, it's not out yet. just the introduction. it's already the number two podcast in the country on apple after "call her daddy," by the way. it is still number two to that. >> kennedy: it sucks now! [laughter] >> dagen: but the opening story is about a school that was being built in a black and latino or puerto rican neighborhood here in new york city. they basically lobbied the school system to move the school so their white kids could go to the school. they wanted to send their children to a school that was integrated, that was diverse, and the anecdote is that the white parents didn't send their kids to that school, so i wonder if this winds up being a total indictment of liberal white parents, of the people who

preach, "the rules for thee, but not for me!" to advocate of this change, but they want to defund police departments and they are talking heads on tv you have security protection and live out in the hamptons. i wonder if it's an indictment of people on the left. i don't know. we'll have to listen to it. >> guy: interesting. >> kennedy: maybe we need more school choice and things like micro-schooling, and we nee neeo do an entire investigation. this one-size-fits-all public school nonsense is failing all children. anyhow, we are waiting -- >> dagen: it failed me. i went to public school, it failed me. >> kennedy: you are brilliant, though. we are awaiting the white house press briefing set to begin at the top of the hour. we will take you there live as it gets underway. plus, amd losing tons of viewers after pulling the plug on "live pd" in the wake of protests. has canceled culture blown up in

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>> harris: the a&e network has seen its prime time ratings cut in half since its controversial decision last month to cancel the hit police reality show, "live pd." that of course follows the protests over the police killing

of george floyd. according to nielsen data, the network's average prime time viewership last week was down by 49% from the same. next the year before. when it announced the cancellation in june, "live pd's" former host, dan abrams, called it an overreaction. >> it was obviously due to pressure to cancel the show, based on the current environment that we are in. now, again, i had thought the show would survive. >> harris: lightning round reaction here. mary, go first. >> marie: sometimes doing what you believe is right has consequences. a&e put what they believed was the right thing to do in this moment in our country over ratings. i think that's admirable. they can find some new programming to get their ratings back up, i'm confident. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: they'll bring it back. they'll definitely find a way to bring it back. people want to watch it because

interactions with police and citizens right now, it's at a very different point, and people want to see that. >> harris: dagen? >> dagen: if only canceling a tv show made our nation's problems go away. can we all just take a breath sometimes, and just say it's a hiatus rather than the cancellation? >> harris: guy? >> guy: if the ratings are tanking and the revenues plunge, the people who are responsible to the decision to cancel should be the ones on the chopping block, not people farther down in the company when they are looking for cost savings all the sudden. >> harris: know we have time for rebuttal. marie? [laughter] >> guy: wow! >> marie: it is an interesting question, how we look at entertainment and what is appropriate or helpful in this current climate. a lot of people felt like this show painted a really distorted view of police officers and their interactions with criminals, and was not helpful to that conversation.

everything is a business. taking tough stance sometimes has financial consequences. >> guy: if people don't like it, they don't have to watch. >> harris: you have police and your family, kennedy. >> kennedy: that's right. maybe they should put cops in charge of all the networks and really federalize a&e in every other network we watch, as well. no, but i do think we all want body cameras. we do think that would make for safer, more honest policing, and i think cameras following law enforcement officers around and seeing what they do every day, i think it is informative. i don't think it idealizes them, but it's okay to have a slice of truth. sometimes it's disturbing, and sometimes it's heartbreaking. >> harris: real quick, dagen? >> dagen: it would help show

people how police officers put their lives on the line, also. and whatever happened to just choice? if you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. >> guy: bingo. >> harris: and that's what guy said. all right, everybody on the virtual couch. thanks for being here. i'll be back with "outnumbered overtime." a big hour as we await the white house press briefing. is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. with nutrients to help support immune health.

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