>> trace: sandra, great to be with you on another very busy news day. >> sandra: you, too, trace. see you back here tomorrow morning. thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, the federal government striking a deal with oregon state officials on a plan to address violent protests that have continued in portland for 62 straight nights. the governor tweeting, "after my discussions with vice president pence and others, the federal government has agreed to withdraw federal officers from portland. they have acted as an occupying force, and brought violence. starting tomorrow, all customs and border protection and i.c.e. officers will leave downtown portland." dhs officials say agents will be on standby nearby, and will be

ready to respond quickly if they need to. early this morning, president trump said federal agents would remain after unloading on the governor and portland's mayor. >> if they don't secure their city soon, we have no choice. we are going to have to go in and clean it out. we are prepared to do it. it's so important that they either clean out their city and do their job and get rid of the anarchists. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. fox business anchor, dagen mcdowell. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, can herself. joining us today, jason chaffetz. jason, i think this is a great decision, given the footage you saw from william la jeunesse of the incoming that the federal officers were taking inside that federal courthouse, the fact that so many of them have been

injured, the fact that so many of them have been nearly blinded. you know, if federal officials don't support what they are doing there on the ground, why should they be they are risking their lives? also, given the fact that so many have blamed the federal forces who are they are trying to defend the courthouse for the violence, let's have them pull out and see if it instantly ends. what if we had what have we had, 60 nights? let's see how the violence is when the feds are out. what are your thoughts? >> jason: and i very optimistic. because it will be state police from oregon, which it actually should be, as opposed to federal agents, that suddenly the people that are rioting, the nt fors of the world will say, "oh, let's back up and go home." i don't think that's going to happen. the reality is what lynn failed to respond and protect that facility. that's why the feds had to

respond. it's gone on for far too long. it's terrible embarrassment. i thought the statement by the governor was just a revisionist history. the reason you have to have armed people there is because they are attacking a federal courthouse. there are people that work there. that is where we administer justice in this country. to have it continue to be attacked is fundamentally wrong. we will see what happens tonight. finally, oregon, i think, is getting the message that donald trump will come in and solve this in its totality if they don't do something, and i'm glad the governor is going to try and take a go at it. we will see how it goes. >> melissa: kennedy, i just feel like it's going to go a lot like c.h.o.p. if the federal forces come out of there, i seriously doubt that instantly these anarchists are going to stop attacking that federal courthouse. in fact, you know, it's very likely, in my mind, that it will go just like that police precinct.

that it will be taken over in that zone, and then what are you going to do? at that point, do you honestly think the state police are going to be able to go in and retake it without violence? or will they say, as the mayor of seattle did, "it's okay, it's the summer of love. i'm sure this will work out just fine. i'm not going to worry about it. they're having a party." your thoughts? >> kennedy: if you thought jenny durkan was declawed in seattle, you haven't met the necklace wonder, ted wheeler. i have great faith in the sheriff's department and portland police, and the state police, as well. they have not been able to deal with these protests locally, which they should. having federal law enforcement deployed in cities should give all of us pause who respects federalism and the constitution. that's a very important thing. i don't think there is a lack of law enforcement in oregon.

i think in portland there is a lack of leadership. i think the governor of oregon lacks leadership, and i think ted wheeler and kate brown are both basically pouncing on this as a political opportunity to push back at the president instead of telling citizens in portland and oregon as a whole how they are going to make the state and the city better. and make it not a magnet for people who want to sell chaos and hurt businesses, and limit the freedom of citizens there, but how they are going to make the kin better so businesses can thrive. so terrorists can, when we are over the pandemic, resume. it's all happening at the same time. protests have devolved into riots, during a pandemic. there is no better time, no greater need for leadership than at a moment like this. leadership has utterly failed people there, and that is sad.

>> melissa: dagen, i mean, local and state leaders have no won the booby prize. they will leave, i'm sure that violence will magically disappear. as one williams argued this week, the federal forces there are the cause of the violence. they are the ones that drew these anarchists and antifa and all the protests. they are the ones who drew it they are. if they leave, it'll instantly be better, or it will be up to those who have argued to get rid of them to then try and do something about it on their own. >> dagen: how is that not like blaming an assault victim for the assault? the message is, "you had it coming if you're a federal officer." in fact, that's what the governor of oregon is saying directly via twitter. the federal officers acted as an occupying force and brought violence. "you had it coming."

molotov cocktail, a metal pipe, anybody who doesn't live in the upside down left-wing looniverse knows that assembly not true. politically, there has been a great call even among conservatives for president trump and the federal officers to get out of portland. you make these leaders, whether it's ted wheeler or the governor, all the local leaders, you make them own the distraction. they don't get to blame president trump anymore. who are they going to blame after that? mitch mcconnell? sludgy the whale, if that doesn't work out? >> melissa: [laughs] >> dagen: they own this. if you own a business in portland or one of these other left-wing cities, my pants would be on fire and i would be yosemite sam, angry as hell that somebody didn't have my back. >> melissa: harris, i don't know the status of this building, if it's open during the day. i don't know how it could be given everything that's going on

there. i hope it's not, because we don't want to see anyone he was just trying to do their job have their life at risk, but your thoughts on what's going on here? >> harris: well, you know, i can't speak to this particular building, but i do remember from the hearing yesterday with the attorney general william barr in front of the house judiciary committee, at one point one of the republican lawmakers was thanking him and his people at doj and federal officers. remember, this fell to dhs and doj. thanking them, thanking him for his people on the ground who are having to work among threats, the threat of not knowing what each night or in each day would bring. at least at some of these federal buildings, yes, people are going to work every day. we know that from the hearing. i would say this, who is going to pay for all of the lost everything and all of this? i'm kind of with dagen. i think you meant in a broader scheme, if your business owner. i mean just from a person on the ground as a citizen, your taxes are going to go to some of this.

the federal building is an exception to that, but there's been another distraction there. i am curious to know, as we talk about a coronavirus bill today on the hill, where is the money going to come from for the other diseases out there? that his livelihood crippling, if you will, with the businesses and the people this puts pressure on. can't walk your dog i know it's going to be okay after a certain hour and some of our american cities. i am now, again, not just focusing on portland. it's not been a summer of love, but has been an expensive summer for somebody. >> melissa: that's a great point. jason, we have seen that's one of the big things democrats are holding up in the coronavirus relief bill. this idea that, as they all trashed president trump, they want more money from washington where the money printer exists. because, in all of these places, there is no tax revenue coming in.

very little. because everything has been shut down. if you look at a place like portland or seattle, the businesses are gone. they are not coming back. the reason you pay her taxes on the most basic level is because police are enforcing safety in a rule of law. in those places, those things have collapsed. they're also going to be deprived of all kinds of services, because no one is going to open a business there, and there will be no tax revenue than to rebuild the local officials. their only choice is to beg the feds. wright, jason? >> jason: no, their only choice is to vote in different people. these are all run by democrats. thus the commonality here. democrats that are mayors, that our governors. they allowed it to happen, they allowed it to fester. they elected this leadership. i agree with you, the total lack of political bill and leadership by these mayors and governors has been pathetic. when it was happening in washington, you had jay inslee who didn't even know what was going on. you go to portland.

they sow their own rewards. they are the ones who created this mess and allowed it to fester, and none of us outside of oregon or washington should have to pay a dime to it. we have our own problems and challenges. let them pay the bill and let them he likes the people that will actually administer justice. like in new york, it didn't happen with rudy giuliani but it does happen with bill de blasio. who you elect really does matt matter. >> melissa: great point. at any moment now, a historic hearing is set to take place on capitol hill as top tech ceos take the hot seat to defend their businesses in a massive antitrust hearing, and may be confronted by the censorship of conservative voices. the details of what to expect, straight-ahead. ♪ veteran homeowners: why refinance now?

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>> harris: we come in with this fox news alert. big tech companies, the ceo was preparing to testify on capitol hill at any moment before a house subcommittee. they are looking to defend their businesses in the largest antitrust hearing in decades. the heads of facebook, google, parent company alphabet, and apple will be facing questions from lawmakers along with amazon's ceo, jeff bezos, who will be making his first appearance before congress, albeit it is all virtual, as you know. we also expect a couple of them to field tough questions on allegations that their platforms since her conservative. gillian turner is live outside that hearing room to set us up. gillian? >> harris, the real wild card in this hearing is going to be amazon's ceo, jeff bezos.

has he mentioned, he's the only one of these big four tech ceos that has never faced a grilling from lawmakers or answered any tough questions from them, quite frankly, ever before. because of that, sources here on capitol hill have been a buzz all morning long with speculation about how he's going to do. is he going to sail through questioning from the house judiciary committee, or is he going to choke? it's really up in the air. he's going to join facebook co mark zuckerberg, google ceo, and apple ceo tim cook to face off against house judiciary. bezos will get straight to the heart of what lawmakers want to hear in his opening statement. he stays, "a menage amazon to be scrutinized paid whether it's companies and nonprofits, our responsibilities make sure we passed such gritty with flyi" mark zuckerberg, much better known entity on capitol hill. at his first major grilling two

years ago, he held his own against intense interrogation from senators, even had a couple of viral moments like this one. take a listen. >> how do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service? >> senator, we run ads. >> ic. >> the plan today is to focus on antitrust. have these four companies become so big that they are making the tech industry anticompetitive? democrats want to take information from the ceos they will use to inform the many pieces of legislation they have the works. republicans are going to go hard on anti-conservative bias. take a listen to jim jordan. >> twitter allowed a tweet from the leader of iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism. in the tweet he talked about striking a blow against the united states. they allow that, but they censored don jr., the sins of the president >> harris, the hearing hasn't

started yet. it was slated to start at noon sharp. we are hearing it will get pushed back to closer to 12:30 or possibly for 1:00. because house judiciary is tied up still in another hearing that is ongoing. that's what you get in these covid-19 times we are living in. harris? >> harris: it all depends on all that technology that they have to make work all simultaneously to move things along. yeah, ironic, right? we wait for a hearing to start. i know you said the tech companies have become so big. speenine , gillian, while you were speaking, the president tweeted. we will put that up on the screen is will you go. we appreciate your reporting, and get to see it. the president says this from air force one. "if congress doesn't bring fairness to big tech, which they should have done years ago, i will do it myself with executive orders. in washington it has been all talk and no act for years, and the people of our country are sick and tired of it."

jason chaffetz, he's on his way to midland texas, but this is a big issue. what is at stake here? >> jason: there's a lot at stake there. tim cook at apple probably does the best working the halls of congress and meeting with individuals. i think he will do just great. as gillian pointed out and others pointed out, i've got to tell you, jeff bezos has never done this. the risk for these ceos is that they are under oath. they swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. that has long-term ramifications, and i think he will get the bulk of those questions. i also think google will take a lot of fire for their prejudice. you try finding an article from "the federalist," for instance, on google. it just doesn't happen. they get buried and smothered. these conservative news outlets, fox and others, there is a prejudice against them. if republicans do their job today -- and i worry they won't,

because congress is notorious. they just don't know and understand tech to ask significant questions. when i was chairman, we had a tech subcommittee. democrats came in and dismantled it, got rid of it. it's an opportunity, but a lot of tough questions for amazon in particular, and google. those are the two in the hot seat. twitter is not represented today. >> harris: that transparency on what republicans are up to you, given the technology and history they've had, it's really interesting to get from you, jason. really pulling back the curtain on that. day again, i thought the goal with really every corporation is to get as many points of view as you can see you can make more money, because you attract more people. for a long time these platforms didn't even know how to make money. now they figured that out. why would they keep out conservative voices? >> dagen: well, they won't if it makes the money. but any website, really, whether it's conservative, middle-of-the-road, or liberal, is owned by google and/or

facebook. let me explain. in terms of these lawmakers and regulators, past and present, they are the problem. they are the reason these companies have gotten so big, either out of fecklessness or ignorance. they didn't stop google from buying youtube back in 2006. they didn't stop facebook from buying instagram. they have bought up every possible competitor. let me explain the issue with censorship. between google and facebook, they control about two-thirds of all online advertising. because they control your data, they track what you do, they price those ads. they are the only people who can do it. if you are a website, like, let's say, ""the federalist,"" f they d platform you, if google does, if they demonetize you, you can't exist. you starve to death. that is the power that these companies have, and it was handed to them by people who

said, "free market, we can't get in the way of an acquisition," because they didn't understand tech. that still exists today on capitol hill. >> harris: wow. that further makes the point jason was making about republicans maybe having to catch up a little bit to deal with this. melissa, you're hearing dagen say google and facebook control two-thirds of all online advertising. that is remarkable. [laughs] that's a lot. even for a layperson like me. >> melissa: yeah, and you look at all these names together, and they are all totally different and they don't deserve to be in the same stage. tim cook made the point he is not dominant, apple is not dominant in any field in which they play. that's actually true. they don't sell the most phones, they don't sell the most laptops. he always says his job is to sell you a phone, and he tries to make it so that you don't want to get rid of that phone. it allows parents to control screen time, all these other things. he focuses on that as his

revenue. that is sort of the least scary business that's out there. i think google is the most scary. they are tracking you everywhere you go. and they have uncontrolled power, as dagen just explained. it's very exciting. for facebook i'm on the fence, because i am someone who has never been on facebook. i've had a page at one point that was controlled by somebody trying to help sell my book, but i don't spend any time there, and i think you have the choice to stay away from it if you don't want to be a part of it. whereas, google is very, very difficult to escape. amazon, also another pretty big predator, because they are accused of mom-and-pop coming in and they sell on that site, you buy from them, and amazon comes and pitches you something else and shoves that other business out of the way. there's been a lot of complaints like that, and they also -- he is so smart, jeff bezos, to jump into the next phase and get the monopoly on it before people

show up. he was thinking about the cloud before anyone else was. not that they have the monopoly there, but that's a huge business for them. all of these guys, as you see them sitting together, are not created equal. i think there should be more focus on google, and that's one reason we don't see the ceo out a lot. they are smart, they don't like a lot of noise. they keep their head down because they are probably the most dangerous. >> harris: and bezos, just to be clear, he's had some drama off the field, as we say in sports. he has had some other things going on, so we don't see him as much. we won't get into it. you know it's interesting to me, kennedy? from what melissa was saying, be it al gore the algorithms.you've been to as up in your email. they can buy grocery stores, but now things that they've bought, they know everything i eat. it's more than just my online habits. they know all my habits. >> kennedy: they sure do.

even when you put your phone and privacy mode. trust me on that one. [laughter] >> harris: what? [laughter] >> kennedy: i'm not a huge fan of antitrust laws. i know i hold the minority on the show right now. >> harris: i know you're not. >> kennedy: i'm even less of a fan of government censorship. the idea of busybodies imposing their will this late in the game, it always give me the creeps. pretty soon, we can have a democrat president, and a democrat house and senate. so, what happens when you have this form of government overregulation? and someone you don't agree with is then in charge of making the rules? tech will always be ahead of government, no matter what. when government gets their fingers in the pie, things get really sticky and unappealing. >> harris: all right, i really would not have had a complete week if i hadn't heard "fuss

budgets and busybodies." jason, you had a quick thing? >> jason: i am actually more with kennedy. congress, i believe it was 1992, carved out a position so 13-year-olds could enter into agreements with them, and what congress ought to be focusing on is how they go after kids. they aren't going to bring that up today, but that is righ riper discussion. >> harris: you may have to drop by. you've brought up quite a few things. we will see what happens. we are covering all of it. when it starts on the hill, a big ceo meeting there. we will take a look. speculation mounting over who joe biden will choose for his running mate, after he photographed surfaces of his talking points from an event he held yesterday. what they said on that piece of paper, and what they seem to say about his potential vp pick. ♪ up at 2:00am again?

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>> melissa: joe biden shedding some light on when he plans to announce his running mate. take a listen. >> i'm going to have a choice in the first week in august, and i promise i will let you know when i do. >> harris: all this, as speculation swirls over a photo of biden's notes from yesterday, showing senator kamala harris' name, followed by these five talking points. look at the picture. "do not hold grudges, campaigned with me and jill, talented, great help to campaign, great respect for her." but senator harris was one of biden's toughest opponents on the primary campaign trail. you may remember, this heated exchange on the debate stage last year. >> vice president biden, do you agree today that you were wrong

to oppose busing in america then? do you agree? >> i did not oppose busing. what i did was oppose busing ordered by the departed of education. that's what i opposed. >> well, the failure of states to integrate public schools in america, that's why we need to pass the equality act. that's why we need to pass the e.r.a. because there are moments in history where states failed to preserve the civil rights. >> melissa: that was, just in case what you were wondering what that note about no grudges was all about. it was about that exchange there. jason, it's so funny, when you look at that list, to me it could be a list of why he thinks she would be a good vp, but it could be a list of, "hey, she's all these things, but i'm going to go in a different direction." how did you take that note? >> jason: by all accounts, she probably is the leading contender here. i thought it was funny, if you go down that list on notes to remind himself, one of the things he rode on there was

"tell the truth." like he has to write that down and did something he needs to remember to actually do. it's a pretty funny list if you look at it. the democrats have an enthusiasm gap. there is no one in the field on the list that people are talking about that brings genuine excitement to the democratic field, nor brings excitement in the general public. i contrast it with barack obama. when he became senator barack obama, everybody was talking and buzzing about him, the future, and his political future. nobody gets excited about kamala harris or elizabeth warren, or some of the other people on this list. that's why they came in like fifth or sixth. they just don't generate any enthusiasm, and in the case of senator harris, she is a radical, california, liberal senator, and i don't think that's going to resonate with the rest of the country and generate enough enthusiasm to beat the dominant donald trump and mike pence. i just don't see it at all.

>> melissa: although, kennedy, i mean, she has been on the wrong side of -- being a prosecutor, she said defund the police now, i don't think anyone would believe her. it seems like she's on the wrong side of that particular debate that we are having in every major city about law enforcement. >> kennedy: she wouldn't even answer a question about defund the police when she was on "the view," and she already -- she didn't deliver california, biden had california in the bag. i don't see what she adds to the ticket. to jason's point, if she were such a strong candidate, she would be the nominee. she had all the elements to capitalize on the race early on. she had that great debate performance, and could not hold onto the big mo. i think there are other people in the country, i would like to see the former vice president run with my former boyfriend, mayor pete. apparently that's not going to

happen. >> harris: [laughs] >> kennedy: because he doesn't have lady parts. >> melissa: that's right. that's one of the very important things we've heard straight up out of the gate, that you do need those lady parts. dagen, let me ask you, susan rice right now seems like she is somebody who has all the buzz this week the last couple days. she has so much baggage, though, around just the video of after the benghazi attack, when she was sent out there to sort of tell and retell and retell a lie over and over again. and she is in deep on the whole spygate. is that too much baggage? >> dagen: in one word, yes. in two words, hell yes. it's too much baggage. william golson has an interesting column in "the wall street journal" today, and it is titled, "portland is a problem for biden. two win, the democrat has to show he's not a hostage of the disorderly far left."

that he needs to forcefully denounce what is going on in places like portland. because of kamala harris' background as an attorney general, she can walk that line between what would be a peaceful protest against police brutality and what is anarchy. why is this important to the biden campaign? because back in 2018, the democrats took control of the house because they got moderate republicans in the suburbs to switch parties and vote for their candidates. to dominic for biden to win in november, he has to keep those voters. kamala harris, if she walks the line right, she could do that for him. >> melissa: she might alienate the far left, though. interesting. lawmakers still far apart on the stimulus bill after the senate g.o.p. released their plans. as the clock is ticking with unemployment benefits due to expire on friday, where do they go from here?

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more than bipartisan framework for democrats to engage with. the only reason i can see that speaker pelosi on the democratic leader would sabotage negotiations is if, as some concluded when they killed police reform in june, they actually think bipartisan progress for the country would hurt their own political chanc chances. >> harris: democrat leaders are shredding the bill and opposing mcconnell's push for legal protections from businesses that reopen. house speaker nancy pelosi reportedly saying during a meeting of members of her party and trump administration officials, "it's like a giraffe and a flamingo. they are both at the zoo. a dumb person may think they could mate for offspring, but a smart person knows that's impossible." that's our bill. they are unable to mate." i don't know if you're on the hill are back in fifth grade. about which animals get together on the farm and which ones don't. what was that? >> jason: yeah, only

nancy pelosi has a flamingo on her farm. [laughter] this is the silly season, and it drives people nuts. i do believe with mitch mcconnell -- and might it have years of experience -- there is a concerted effort by the democrats to delay and make sure those unappointed benefits expire. i think that plays, they think, to this political hand. they think -- they want people to say, "hey, wait, democrats want to give me all these benefits and republicans are standing in the way." republicans rightfully make the argument, as mitch mcconnell did, "remember when we were going to do root police reform and tim scott introduce that bill? democrats voted back, they didn't even want to debate it. they didn't even want to debate it." now another bill comes out, and they don't even want a discussion about it. it's disgusting. a lot of things donald trump

advocated, like a payroll tax, it's not in this bill. giving relief to businesses to limit their liability, that's a good way to get people back to business. but a nonstarter for democrats. that message needs to go into the election. democrats are holding back on these types of things. but it is convoluted, it is messy, and i hate how the sausage gets made. it's just ugly. >> harris: i'm curious, when i look at this, dagen, if g.o.p. maybe asked to be a little careful, here. the defense spending bill, mcconnell is trying to get that fbi funding for the building pulled out. $1.75 billion, and we read a little bit ago from the white house that it looks like that now won't have to be the nonstarter, like maybe the white house would consider that. we've got $686 million for the three photographs. $720 million for other aircraft, and so on. $375 million for armored vehicles.

down the list, and then at the bottom you've got $0 -- this is for our brain room -- $0 -- they have to be a little careful with a keep in. it's complicated. >> dagen: right, they do need to extend that moratorium on evictions, otherwise there will be many people across the country who are kicked out of their homes. other than that, i don't think that republicans need to do anything on this. this extra $600 per week already started expiring over the weekend in many states. however, people still get unemployment benefits for up to 39 weeks. that was in the care's acts. that will run unemployment into next year. in fact, there's a lot that the democrats want to do, and i said this earlier in the week, that is aimed at, or the effect will be, keeping on employment in the double digits. the extra $600 per week, people can stay home and make more than

being in the workplace. not reopening schools, you've got to keep women, largely women, at home taking care of their children. those are just two of the things that are in this bill that will hurt people getting back to wo work. >> harris: i thought the $600 was not going to be in there, at least maybe only in part? >> dagen: no, the republicans, the democrats want to extend the $600 per week. the republicans want to reduce it to $200 per week through the end of september, and then they want to change the formula where you can only collect up to 70% and unemployment that you are making on your job. >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: you can see what everyone's incentive is by what they are pushing. those who push back on the payroll tax cut, that would have been an instant pay increase for minimum wage workers. isn't that what democrats always say they actually want? if you make the minimum wage, boom, he would instantly have a bigger paycheck. talk about putting those

paychecks directly into people's banking accounts, that's the whole population. they want to increase unemployment insurance. that is to keep people home from work. that is to stifle the economy. you can help more people with the other two things. the fact that they are focused on that one means they are trying to kill the economy. >> harris: interesting. kennedy, i promise we will get with you next round. the first pitch of major league baseball was tossed fewer than a week ago, less than a week ago, and already there's a problem. what is causing many to question whether the season can or should continue? ♪

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>> melissa: less than a week after the delayed start of major league baseball, and now the entire season is in jeopardy. at least 17 miami marlins players and staff members have tested positive for coronavirus. this, prompting legal officials to suspend the team's games through sunday, among other precautions. dr. anthony fauci says the outbreak casts doubt on the season. oh, no! speak of this could put in danger. i don't believe they need to stop it, but we need to follow this and see what happens with other teams on a day-by-day

basis. >> melissa: kennedy, we need sports! please don't take away sports again! a >> kennedy: we do! i was so delighted to watch the yankees beat the nationals. [laughs] it was so fantastic! i can't wait to watch them annihilate the red sox! go yankees! but i will say this, i think it's kind of fascinating and i would like to see the cdc go and test these players, and really determine how the virus has mutated and whether or not it is more contagious now but somehow less lethal. i think this would be a great group of people to test and i hope they all get better very quickly. >> melissa: no, that is very interesting. jason, this is one of those situations where technology, when they are organized, can make a big difference. i know the pgas using the band in order to try and figure out where you might be on the precipice of getting it. i think kevin mccarthy is the one who said he was able to get back on the campaign trail

because he was wearing it, it monitors your breathing rate. we can have many more technology on the part of leagues and teams to get out of that. what are your thoughts? >> jason: yeah, maybe instead of the national league in the american league, we could have the covid league and the noncovered league, and they can meet in the world series and do something creative like that. i want sports to be out there. there are some sports that have more distancing than others, but baseball, i love baseball. it is americana, and i hope they figure out a scientific way to keep people safe but let the players on the field and fans at home and enjoy it, because we need some sports. >> melissa: dagen? >> dagen: nascar got back on the track in may. i would like to remind people that make fun of it. in terms of what kennedy was talking about, let's learn from the mistakes so we can get back to the sports we really love, and that's football and hockey. we want full real seasons of the

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their wealthier counterparts. that's just wrong. thanks everyone on the couch, thanks for watching. here is harris. >> melissa: >> harris: foxes lit , a plan to end the violence in berlin. however, the element security chief says the feds are not leaving just yet. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. oregon governor kate brown announced the deal, reached a deal with the trump administration. it will now draw down the federal presence. portland has seen 62 straight nights of people in the street, some devolving of actions of unrest and violence. once again, officers using tear gas after being hit with fireworks and projectiles. the president, just this morning, unloaded on oregon leaders. watch the president. >> they are anarchists, they